I buy most of my stuff either second hand or on sale, but I've shied away from multiple units because the pricing seems crazy, even used. I've never spent more than €100 on a loco, or €25 on a coach. To me this looks like a loco and a coach, so £170 seems crazy, especially when there's no lighting. I think you've given it a good and fair review.

One of the cheeky old tooling models in new packaging, I'm afraid! I was looking at the Cross Country livery a few years ago and was put off by the lack of features and none DCC ready. They're severely outdated but were pushed out on to the market long after DCC was the standard. They were actually cheeky enough to do a second run of them in newer liveries, too. Judging by how long it's taken them to get the 158 sorted I can't see any new 170's coming any time soon! Mike.

Cheers for the review. Won't be going anywhere near these things thats for sure. An updated model is long overdue, they have served most parts of the country and the actual body itself looks pretty good, even if underneath the surface it does not meet modern standards

I agree with your excellent review Simon, as you said very disappointing no lights fitted to front or rear.

Hi Simon, interesting review which I enjoyed watching. I’ve got the Scotrail 3 car version, with the power car in the middle and the 2 driving cars identical dummies. My experience with this has been very similar to your own. It looks great and is a very reliable runner, but with all the limitations you mentioned - it had to be hardwired to run on DCC, no working lights and lots of painted detail. All in all very similar to the Class 158. Curiously, an upgrade of this model is about to be released, so it will be interesting to compare the old with the new. Hopefully something similar will happen with the 170. Thanks again for an enjoyable video.

Your new model looks very nice Simon; I must say, I like sound decoders.

Good review Simon.

Very nice model Simon!!! Thanks for sharing this video! Cheers Onno.

180 ! 😱 Even the other one at £250 even though it's newer. That means a pair is setting you back £500. Crazy! The loco part with this basic detail should be more like £80-100 with £20-25 for the other half.

Hi Simon, Good honest review, yes the model is dated, but it does look really good running through Kidderminster! I think the biggest let down for me is the lighting! the gap between the dmu could soon be hidden with a corridor connector, If you look on the bay using this search term, you'll see what I mean " n Gauge br mk3 x10 corridor connectors " Just an idea 😁. All the best Tony.

Great review, shame about the lights though 😢

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Hi Simon, very good review, I think I might be disappointed if i had one as I think the ends let it down. It did look right though running into Kidderminster and even at £179 which is a tad expensive fits into your fleet nicely, and as you say not much choice. Cheers for now, John

Wow, not even any lights? That is taking the mickey. So are you going to get the tiny drill out and add your own LEDs?

£179 RRP for this outdated thing?! I got Kato's new ALC-42 train pack for somewhere around £120, it comes with a newly tooled loco fitted with lights and 3 Amtrak Superliner coaches. British N scale modellers deserve so much better than this...