Great Empire of the Dawn Theory Iceberg - A Song of Ice and Fire

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David Lightbringer

David Lightbringer

Жыл бұрын

The Great Empire of the Dawn is the THE unifying theory of Ice and Fire world-building, relating to everything from the magic swords and comets to the dragons to the first Westerosi humans, the last hero, and the Long Night, not to mention the Hammer of the Waters, the Shade of the Evening Trees, the Ifequevron, the Old Ones, and more…
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@elijahsnow3119
@elijahsnow3119 Жыл бұрын
Your account of this really is just the objective proof that you might be one of a half dozen people with the knowledge to actually plot and complete ASOIAF should George never finish it. Six hours of actual substance is really impressive.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Thanks Elijah and remember this was all about the backstory of the world, and didn't even touch the main plot or characters hardly!!
@elijahsnow3119
@elijahsnow3119 Жыл бұрын
Yes. But this spine is the kind of work that is needed if someone wants to write in the same kind of style as Tolkien and Martin. Or even someone like Glen Cook, who I can catch references to. The gray waste description reminds me of the Glittering Fields in a very deliberate way. Including K’dath taking the place of the Nameless Fortress
@Devoted2Mariah
@Devoted2Mariah Жыл бұрын
It’s how expansive this world is. That’s why it takes Grrm a long time to write. Genius stuff, and always thinking about asoiaf even when he’s not writing.
@levismom100
@levismom100 Жыл бұрын
Yaas
@blackeyedlily
@blackeyedlily Жыл бұрын
I truly believe that with the large network of authors, who make up George Martin’s circle of friends, that he has some sort of contingency plan, if he were to die before the series is finished. I know that it is widely reported that George has told people to f*** off when he has been publicly asked this very question. But I think people have taken that the wrong way. I have actually seen people say that Martin’s attitude is that if he doesn’t finish his magnus opus then it will remain unfinished. But I strongly disagree. I think that he just finds the question extremely rude, and that he doesn’t owe anyone a public answer about it. But while keeping an eye on his NotABlog, I noticed something interesting about one of his entries that occurred sometime in the past year or two. I didn’t write down the details, but I have gone back to look it up a couple of times, and anyone can find it if they take the time to look through the entries of the last couple years. What I’m talking about is that George made some comments when one of his author friends passed away. He has lost a number of his longtime friends and colleagues over the past couple of years, and you can tell that he takes it hard when that occurs, as it’s only natural. When this particular author died, he commented on the fact that the man had not completed his seminal work. In fact, George made sure to say that this author had been working on this particular book for longer than George has been working on Winds. He then said that he really hoped that one of this author’s colleagues would complete the story for him. In my opinion, this was a VERY telling comment. It certainly shows that Martin is not adverse to the idea of an author finishing up the work of someone else due to their death. Martin has a large circle of friends and colleagues who are fellow authors. He has also mentored many people who love his stories, like Brian Condal who he specifically asked to head the House of the Dragon series, for example. And we know that George has lots of material that he has written and rewritten, including chapters that are always being pushed forward toward the next part of the series. Besides material for the main story, I expect that he has lots of notes and partially written pieces for the second half of Fire & Blood and future Dunk and Egg novellas. He has probably thought through a lot of details about the Blackfyre Rebellions and he certainly knows more about Summerhall than we are privy to. I find it really hard to believe that George hasn’t made some plans of who would take up the completion of some of this if he were not able to. And after reading that particular blog entry, I was convinced of it. I know that he famously hates the idea of outlines. So I don’t expect there is any kind of step-by-step roadmap. But I do think that between his wife, his employees, colleagues and author friends that he has some thoughts on who would take up such a task. So when people say that Martin will never live long enough to complete the stories, I worry more about whether I will live long enough to see their completion. We all hope that George will have many years to come, and the time and ability to complete this story of his that we are all so invested in. But if the worst happens, I still believe it would not be the end of the ASOIAF saga. Hell, for all we know, he may have some contractual plans, drawn up legally to appease the corporate interests in these properties in a way that still gives him a voice about what happens. He is too smart of a man to believe that he is immortal, even if he is unwilling to publicly give answers about this issue, which he finds objectionable for the public to ask him. Sorry for the long rambling thoughts here, but I hate seeing people go on about how he can’t finish these stories. And I know that’s not what was being suggested here. I too think that David would be a great resource for working on these stories.🙂
@TheNorthMustRemember
@TheNorthMustRemember Жыл бұрын
Dawn Theory: At the Tower of Joy, the Kingsguard performed a C-section on Lyanna, causing her death. The sharpest object available? Ser Arthur Dayne's Dawn. Jon will bring the Dawn, but not before Dawn brought Jon into the world.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
That's an old forum theory believe it or not. It's very possible but so awful I don't like to talk about it
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Shout-out to Matthew Hearn for adding some of the Hebrew linguistics & mythology to the Morningstar discussion. Helel Ben Shahar for the win, TY TY
@LonkTheLunk
@LonkTheLunk Жыл бұрын
One of the best livestreams I’ve seen in long time, Ice & Fire related or otherwise. It was over 6 hours, yet I have even MORE questions about the Great Empire of the Dawn than I did before. I want to know so much more because the major “high fantasy” of it all is in such stark contrast to the “low magic” main series. Even D&E is functionally “no magic,” but those events are tied so closely to the Great Empire of the Dawn and Long Night. Speaking of AWOIAF, I think people often forget that, since ADWD in was released in 2011, we’ve gotten not one but two books since then (both of which have been crucial to our analysis on the main series), plus two TV shows (and counting), and on top of that, George has still already written more than ADWD worth of TWOW. Everything we’ve gotten since Dance has been connected to Winds, and I think it’s because George needed to establish these concepts before he could even write Winds.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Totally agree on GRRM using TWOIAF and other things to set the table for TWOW
@Henbot
@Henbot 11 ай бұрын
Don’t forget he wrote Elden Ring and tons of these ideas and ideas that DL talks about are literally smashing your face in the game - even two moons and dragon taming empires 😂
@frysfolio
@frysfolio Жыл бұрын
As the guy who did the timestamps on the first two icebergs all I can say is they're coming... Was just too busy yesterday to watch it live.
@mathieu1866
@mathieu1866 Жыл бұрын
You're a legend and we love you, take all the time you need
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Oh praise R'hllor I was hoping you'd manifest 💚💚💚
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I'll pin the comment whenever you do it, thanks a million
@frysfolio
@frysfolio Жыл бұрын
​​@@DavidLightbringer The spaceberg Drew me from the depths. I figured if I needed a sign to come back into ASOIAF after my break it's this lol.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
hahah that's awesome! I got more excited the more I prepared for this one! Icebergs are fun but once I had the idea to do a GEOTD iceberg, it made so much more sense.
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
Bravo to the HOTD team. That scene with the Dragonbond was phenomenal.
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
This may be your masterpiece LML. I bow down to you sir.
@SoCalledGodess
@SoCalledGodess Жыл бұрын
I can't believe you talked for 6 hours straight. My voice gets tired after 30 minutes. I'm gonna have to watch this video several times.
@jwt6577
@jwt6577 Жыл бұрын
"Hopefully we'll see some Hightowers in book six..." *Me, remembering the Hightowers in House of the Dragon* "Nah, I'm alright."
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
those are the sucky ones we want Leyton and the Mad maid, reading books of prophecy and preparing to counter Euron's magic
@thinkingneuron
@thinkingneuron Жыл бұрын
Hi David. I do like your hypothesis on lemurs as a reference to some magical transformation. Really a good catch. As a biologist, I would like to point out a few things about lemurs. The term lemur is actually an old Mediterranean word (Greek/Etruscan/Anatolian) that denotes a spirit or a ghost, usually with a malicious intent. The festival of Lemuria in Ancient Rome is described by historians as a communal activity for removing evil spirits (a form of excorsism). It is not a term used by Malagasyi culture or religious practices (as far as I am aware). Also, there are no lemurs outside of Madagascar (well, except the zoos). It is considered a basal primate lineage that evolved separately from other primate families, and is endemic to Madagascar. I think the main confusion here is that early taxonomists used the term lemur for several kinds of mammals without any evolutionary relationship between them. Basically anything that looked/walked/vocalized like a malevolent human/humanoid/etc. That being said, this is probably what you are going to love the most: there is a specific type of lemur called ‘aye-aye’, which is suggested to be a cognate of ahai or ahay in the local language. There is some evidence to suggest that locals were TERRIFIED of that animal because of its morphological features and the fact that it is mostly nocturnal. The legend has it that aye-aye has the tendency to sneak into people’s huts late at night and stab them in their hearts with its lance-like index fingers! Cheers!
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
It's been a minute since I looked it up and yeah it felt a but scrambled when I said it yesterday. Cheers and thanks!
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee 3 ай бұрын
Azor Ahai the evil lemur dude! Love it ❤️
@TheNobleStar9075
@TheNobleStar9075 Жыл бұрын
24:50 Preston Jacob mentions this in his "Dany and the Page of Lies" theory videos, for one thing it's highly likely the storm Dany was born in is simply referring to Stannis's assault as a storm and there was probably no actual meteorological storm (or if there was, Viserys greatly exaggerated about it) since it's never mentioned again plus we're told by veteran sailors such as Cotter Pyke that the worst storms are during the autumn and winter, not summer. Additionally, I especially want to point out that after this there's never any mention of Dragonstone being damaged or having been repaired (which would be noticeable as no one had the means to replicate the seamless nature of the fused stone) during Cressen's and Davos's POV chapters
@erlkoenig505
@erlkoenig505 11 ай бұрын
Correction: Egg does not merry Dyanna Dayne, he's her son, and that's all the Dornish ancestry he has. His uncle Baelor Breakspear is the one with the Martell mother. Egg's wife is Betha Blackwood.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 11 ай бұрын
I always say that backwards for some reason
@ThatsMrFrank
@ThatsMrFrank Жыл бұрын
My theory is that the oily black stone IS fused black stone, but that it has been corrupted by evil or suffering in some way. Some of the oily black stone exists in some relation to human sacrifice. The seastone chair, the oily black stone on an isle of cannibals. If the black stone is magical, maybe exposure to horrific things corrupts it somehow. Someone correct me if I'm missing stuff.
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Жыл бұрын
Oh! Maybe the first technique of fusing stone was a type of bricks? Before they learned to "shape the stone with magic". It could explain Asshai and even Yeen and Moat Cailin.
@ThatsMrFrank
@ThatsMrFrank Жыл бұрын
@@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Oh, I think they're ALL fused stone. I think the technique at the point of creation is the same. Some sort of magic, maybe blood related magic as David states. And maybe, some aspect of the stone being magical means that it has some sort of response to life related energies, like human sacrifice. Hence the seastone chair being oily, given its significance to the ironmen. Moat Cailin I'm frankly unsure of. It may be that a similar but different magic was used.
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee 3 ай бұрын
Well if the moon has a "dark" and 'light" side maybe it's good and evil sides. All the rock is moon meteor but some is bad and some is good. The fusing of the meteor pieces was the same but the magic inherent was different
@THEMightyMonarch316
@THEMightyMonarch316 Жыл бұрын
What a marathon of awesome ASOIAF lore !!! I feel like we should all now have a bachelor's degree in GEOTD history and theory lol
@calvinsanders2657
@calvinsanders2657 Жыл бұрын
During the section on Dorne, I was curious whether the Rhoynar kept any latent knowledge or ability to conjure water magic that was retained after moving from the original river system to Dorne’s desert landscape.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Me too, they seem to have thrived in the desert, somehow
@jessjess23brooks89
@jessjess23brooks89 8 ай бұрын
The water gardens, which is basically an oasis in the Dornish capital comes to mind.
@ziranmen
@ziranmen Жыл бұрын
It was a pretty epic stream weaving all these ideas together into a very cohesive theory very impressive thanks David. Also Its probably been said but Asshai reminds me of Tolkien's Minas Ithil the Tower of the Moon, which became Minas Morgul after it was taken by the Ring Wraiths.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Yes I used to make that exact comparison but kinda forgot about it. The idea that Minus Morgal has a moon association might actually be a HUGE source on inspiration for GRRM
@dreadboy5314
@dreadboy5314 Жыл бұрын
You mentioning the children of the forest not being able to break the arm then saying they were "bloodthirsty" just sparked this crazy thought that whatever they did might have involved blood magic, which could be why the weirwoods are bleeding with red sap.
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
This Mirri Max Dur spirit swap interpretation is amazing. Watched it live when that lightbulb hit your head with the rest of us Mythheads.
@49293per
@49293per Жыл бұрын
I love your Great Empire of the Dawn theory. I’ve watched all your content on it, but having a 6 hour iceberg on it is more than I could’ve asked for! Thanks LML!
@SeanLKearns
@SeanLKearns Ай бұрын
my guy just gave a 6 and a half hr world history lecture.
@MrFrost-ly1xj
@MrFrost-ly1xj Жыл бұрын
I’m on my second listen through this and I think I might need 2 more to fully absorb all of this. Thank you for occupying me while I work
@MrFrost-ly1xj
@MrFrost-ly1xj Жыл бұрын
Heads up audio was a little low
@MrFrost-ly1xj
@MrFrost-ly1xj Жыл бұрын
Thank you ☺️ to the person who gifted me a membership. I literally listen to Dave around 13 hours a day
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
It was Black Dread!
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much to Black Dread for gifting subs to some nice folks... and btw Black Dread as to your Q about fused stone, I would say that anything is possible, but we haven't seen any other precedent for fused stone that isn't dragonfire and sorcery, and it's hard to see that GRRM has even given us the pieces to see another way to do it. Sure, wildfire can melt stone, but how do you shape molten stone on that scale, to raise it into straight walls with fancy dragons on top? And none of it is chiseled? ? You need magic to do that
@cherylbaxter8986
@cherylbaxter8986 Жыл бұрын
Yes absolutely that's why we won't ever see another Valeria
@Devoted2Mariah
@Devoted2Mariah Жыл бұрын
Legit a great stream, legendary even. Thanks for the work you put in to organize them on screen. Can’t wait for more Dunk & Egg too. Keep it up! ❤
@lucaschapel7197
@lucaschapel7197 11 ай бұрын
If anyone should direct a TV show set before / during The Long Night, it's David Lightbringer!
@stevenhayes7910
@stevenhayes7910 11 ай бұрын
I’ve heard you talk about Elric of Melnibone so much that I’m finally reading through those books! Almost 2/3 through the first and it’s really interesting so far.
@timholland1764
@timholland1764 11 ай бұрын
Lml, I have been watching/listening to your content for a long time and this was absolute tour de force of knowledge. You present so many new ideas and summarize your OG content. One thing that this stream got me thinking about was the idea of comet and moon meteors - was it something done by magic or something that just happened and increased the magic? Both are possible and knowing George, we might never get this answer. Also, either option has interesting potential ramifications: option 1 - the ability to use magic to influence celestial bodies....I mean jebus, that's crazy. Option 2 - opportunistic people figure out that these moon meteors provide magic powers and end up blighting the land. That's cool too and it seems very George. Thanks for this awesome content. Might have to relisten to this one.
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
And now I begin from the start. Can’t wait
@Drew_Thompson
@Drew_Thompson Жыл бұрын
The fused stone is likely Basalt, which due to it's metallic nature would likely suffer if not properly formed. the storm destroying it during dany's birth could imply that the valyrians couldn't work it as well as their predecessors.
@danielbroome5690
@danielbroome5690 11 ай бұрын
Basalt isn't slimy. Also, the stone breaking in the story told to Dany is just one of dozens of inconsistencies that seem to be there more as either a series of mistakes, or to throw the story Viserys tells her into question.
@Lucky13Ravens
@Lucky13Ravens 11 ай бұрын
The Storm is supposed to be divine in the story. If not it's a tsunami. I don't think we have ever seen a typhoon, tsunami or other similar incident against the fused stone. Except Valyria which is a smoking ruin. I don't see it as inconsistent, just symbolic of the power of the storm.
@ZendikarMage42750
@ZendikarMage42750 Жыл бұрын
I think your theory about humans being created by/from one or more of the Elder Races works really well with so many of the themes present in ASoIaF. It completely deconstructs the whole "we're better than you" mentality that so many of the characters in the story have and there could be a lot of interesting parallels to what's going on in Slavers' Bay and at the Wall if the first humans were created to be slaves. I can't wait for the inevitable deep dive videos on this theory
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
Okay. What if…the long night hit everywhere WAY worse than Westeros and that’s why there’s any history. ???
@Henrique-Santos
@Henrique-Santos Жыл бұрын
6 hours of LML talking about Empire of the Dawn? This is heaven, praise Garth and the girth of the stream lol
@PackLeader-1990
@PackLeader-1990 Жыл бұрын
I'd think Asshai was one of the great cities of the Great Empire of the Dawn & Azor Ahai is directly influenced by Moorcock's Eternal Champion as there are aspects of him in many characters and they will all come together to battle the Great Other.
@soxpeewee
@soxpeewee 3 ай бұрын
Etymologically, Azor Ahai sounds suspiciously like Azores + Ashai. The Azores are 9 island in Portugal that are renown for being a magical land of volcanoes, thermal waters, steam geysers and beautiful waters. Ashi (aka Ashai in GOT) is a Avestan word for the Zoraoastrian concept of "that which is attained or earned." So basically I'm thinking the Empire of the Dawn had Ashai as a paradise location that got destroyed by someone working to it's destruction aka the Bloodstone emperor. I think Martin is using some references to Moorcock (unfortunate name) but because Martin likes to play linguistic and mythology games... anything used will have a real world name or a real world religion ties in.
@PackLeader-1990
@PackLeader-1990 3 ай бұрын
@@soxpeewee very astute observations. Have you read the Elric saga? So much was borrowed from The Bright Empire when GRRM described Valyria
@rawwwry
@rawwwry Жыл бұрын
I followed for almost three hours yesterday before falling asleep so now im back for the rest and i cant believe i still have 3 more hours to go!
@samanthabogen9639
@samanthabogen9639 Жыл бұрын
@David Lightbringer In a sad unknowing way Beric did sacrifice his wife for power, his memory of his love was lost with his resurrections. This stream is epic btw, going to be revisiting this for ages
@ScarlitWidow
@ScarlitWidow Жыл бұрын
Maybe the Lemurs were the first experiment that worked, before they moved on to dragons. Awesome video!
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
One of the few happy failed experiments haha
@squisherking
@squisherking Жыл бұрын
6 hours on Great Empire of the Dawn? Sign me up!
@Inqu33rsition
@Inqu33rsition Жыл бұрын
6hours?! ❤ Oh David, you really do love us! 😂 Thanks again for another wonderful stream, I stayed for the first three hours then had to pass out for the night. Lovely to wake up to three more hours today!
@GreyWasteTim
@GreyWasteTim Жыл бұрын
6 hours?! You absolute madman. I hate that I got stuck late at work last night. This is gonna be my Saturday listen while I do some chores.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I missed ya for sure!!
@three-eyed_magpie
@three-eyed_magpie Жыл бұрын
The tiger woman always makes me think of Blaschko's lines which can be visible on skin in cases of chimerism and mosaicism.
@therunningman_
@therunningman_ Жыл бұрын
marathon!!
@zacharygrinacoff9543
@zacharygrinacoff9543 Жыл бұрын
Easily one of the best 6+ hr iceberg streams I’ve ever had the pleasure listening to. Great job compiling all of your geotd theories into a coherent narrative! Lots to think about here but like your first men takeaway. It’s interesting to think about magical races potentially creating or crafting the later races of humanoid species and then stepping back to observe as evolution carries itself out. All of the older races (children, giants, etc) are dying out and humans will replace them being “most fit”. Can’t help hut think about the eldar in lotr leaving middle earth to men at the end of the 3rd age.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
his backstory is very influenced by the Silmarillion
@Jermrants
@Jermrants Жыл бұрын
I watched the entire steam from start to finish truly an amazing 6 hours and 18 minutes
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I was wondering how many people did, lol, and thank you
@Brellowcrop
@Brellowcrop Жыл бұрын
Awesome, love it, mate. I'll be listening to this for days.
@xplode1222
@xplode1222 11 ай бұрын
This is the video I have been craving for years! Amazing! It’s so wonderful to see everything come together!
@danielbroome5690
@danielbroome5690 11 ай бұрын
The Andal crown of 7 stars is a Direct reference to Tolkien's crown of Durin. He spotted the stars in the lake the mirrormere which ties into the water-woman stuff in ASOIAF you mentioned. A woman personification of a lake would also be an Arthurian reference when tied to Durin because the lake/lake lady is granting him kingship by presenting the 7 stars of Durin's crown.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 11 ай бұрын
that's about as much as I can put together yeah, the water women connection
@ChrisVillagomez
@ChrisVillagomez Жыл бұрын
Perhaps Azor Ahai caused one of the moons or a massive asteroid to appear and then break apart somehow as a devastating attack. Perhaps as an ally to the Children of the Forest against the First Men in exchange for access to the Weirwood Net or maybe even the leader of the First Men who invaded, and the pieces of the meteor landed on the Thousand Islands, the Arm of Dorne, and the Neck, devastating the defensive lines of the Children or offensive lines of the First Men while also getting rid of some enemy where the Thousand Islands now remain
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I really think it was more than a targeted missile strike, more about obtaining the power of the gods. I think the meteors were an accident
@hinakhodiyara7883
@hinakhodiyara7883 11 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the hard work you put in this stream, and all previous works. You dive deep into this World that GRRM has built. The attention to detail is tremendous. It's what keeps me hooked to the story. Have a Good One :)
@serpounce5699
@serpounce5699 11 ай бұрын
Presumably, the GEOTD must occupy the far east of Essos, because Dawn rises in the East. Which fits with the idea that GEOTD would be west of Essos across the ocean.
@ivkica1001
@ivkica1001 Жыл бұрын
Im living for these lives, rarely i catch you streaming but i look at them after always. Great content🙏🏻❤
@augustusdens
@augustusdens 11 ай бұрын
I think the "Dracomorphs" are a red herring. I think they are either an accidental byproduct of the experiments that led to the creation of the dragon peoples aka Valyrians or, more likely in my opinion, they were intentionally created as a bioweapon. The dragons were probably not the only weapons of war the the Empire of the Dawn developed.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 11 ай бұрын
I could see that
@Cookie_chris
@Cookie_chris Жыл бұрын
Bravo @David Lightbringer, that was epic, proper out done yourself, your always raising the bar and want to just thank you again for all your content here and on spotify ❤❤❤❤
@vanessaz.lasdon4199
@vanessaz.lasdon4199 Жыл бұрын
I second that emotion ❤❤❤❤
@nywoe
@nywoe 11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, just what I needed. I'm obsessed with this thing since I watched your videos about the Great Empire of the Dawn for the first time XD ✨💕
@alyswesthill3562
@alyswesthill3562 Жыл бұрын
Seriously epic stream! Thank you so much. I can’t get enough.
@yildizofyiti7628
@yildizofyiti7628 Жыл бұрын
I just finished watching (did the new Dunk&Egg in between) - thank you for all the amazing content!
@darksister96
@darksister96 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome! great job 👏love all the lore under the main story
@alfoakes7111
@alfoakes7111 Жыл бұрын
6 hrs?! That's my next 3 days of podcasts sorted 😍
@podsmagiccock6401
@podsmagiccock6401 Жыл бұрын
EPIC stream! fantastic as always!
@mangeybum1443
@mangeybum1443 8 ай бұрын
this live stream slaps so unbelievably hard
@cherylbaxter8986
@cherylbaxter8986 Жыл бұрын
I've just found this in my notifications, I'm glad i found it
@nagamata
@nagamata 11 ай бұрын
I listened to this entire stream on a drive from Los Angeles to Monterey! Your a champ LML
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 10 ай бұрын
oh that's sick I love that
@WhoIsCalli
@WhoIsCalli 10 ай бұрын
Amazing stream! Took me a couple of session to complete - but terrific stuff. Thanks LML 😊
@ramixaleandros5893
@ramixaleandros5893 Жыл бұрын
Monster of a stream, was great. Hope your voice recovers in time for Sunday lol
@jiggajayflow
@jiggajayflow Жыл бұрын
What a fun stream! Great job David!
@andrewbahlman7768
@andrewbahlman7768 Жыл бұрын
Holy hell 6 hours this is amazing thank you LML and Praise Garth!!
@lizardbreathh
@lizardbreathh Жыл бұрын
Great way to keep me emtertained on a Friday! Thanks LML!
@parkieshark
@parkieshark Жыл бұрын
the geotd stuff is by far my favorite area of asoiaf lore, seems I'll be very entertained for the next 6 hours lol I can't believe I slept through this stream
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
Anytime you bring up Ouranos I get (expletive). My favourite creation myth I’ve encountered yet.
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
BTB started his studies building OldTown. Was sent to StormsEnd and ended up building The Wall. Huge undertaking and he needed a getaway, Winterfell, where he could rest after building the wall.
@lucaschapel7197
@lucaschapel7197 11 ай бұрын
In relation to where to locate Shade Of The Evening trees, the northern part of Ulthos just across the sea from Ashai appears to be jam packed with them, according to the map.
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 11 ай бұрын
hard to say if that is what was intended
@nadiasouthiere7908
@nadiasouthiere7908 10 ай бұрын
Great Stream LML, Thank You 🙏🏻 for all the good work👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙋🏼‍♀️🇨🇦💘
@yoohoosandman
@yoohoosandman Жыл бұрын
I'm two hours in and looking forward to the next 4, and all your upcoming content. One comment though - You missed the most important Elric, Eldric, Eddard etc. Dolorous Ed Tollett. Obviously which leads to the obvious conclusion that DET = AA. It'll be like in South Park when Craig reluctantly saves the world from the giant Guinea pigs, bees etc. Take it easy man. Peace
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Dolores Edd is constantly speaking the truth about the zombie watch, I believe it
@evanmccollum163
@evanmccollum163 Жыл бұрын
Epic 6 hour plus stream!! Loving it
@Henrique-Santos
@Henrique-Santos Жыл бұрын
This stream was amazing! I was hoping you would talk about Night's Queen/Corpse Queen/Amethyst Empress and the Knight King in the context of this timeline. Was Knight King a Night's Watchman who was allured by the "spirit" of Nissa Nissa aka Corpse Queen (to make him Night's King and create The Others?) sometime after Azor Ahai/Bloodstone Emperor killed her? Or the Corpse Queen story is more about what is happening inside the WWNet after Azor Ahai killed her?
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
I deliberately steered away from that level of specificity for this one and I also was trying to stick with the GEOTD side of things. I'm going to do a white walker theory iceberg soon and we'll get into all all that. In the meantime check out the video called "The Weirwood Goddesses"
@Henrique-Santos
@Henrique-Santos Жыл бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer Oh, I can't wait! I'm planning on rewatching all of your videos lol
@jadelightsword
@jadelightsword 11 ай бұрын
Awesome stream, been listening to the playback while on my nightshift week, my favorite one you've done yet. One thing I've noticed, I had to crank up the volume to hear you properly, and then turn down the volume so that the ads aren't deafening. Did you change equipment, or did KZfaq just change how their volume works? Might want to look into that for your future lives. Thanks for your great work!
@Roaringmoonbeam
@Roaringmoonbeam 11 ай бұрын
So excited that I finally have time to watch and listen to this.
@JDNization
@JDNization Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed watching this stream! I love how in-depth you get, and I really love the idea of those legendary Westerosi figures like Bran The Builder and Garth being Dawnish (heh) or at least taught by the Dawnish. But the one thing that stuck out to me was that the First Men often get lumped into one group, but I'm pretty sure the World book says that it's most likely a bunch of different tribes of man finding their way to Westeros. Is it not possible that some of these tribes are Dawnish-adjacent? Or even of the GEOTD itself and that pre-disposition allowed them to accomplish the legendary feats that are so prevalent in the lore?
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Yes we don't really know who the FM were
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Like who was Garth who led the migration over the Arm? Where'd he cone from?
@danielcordeiro7139
@danielcordeiro7139 9 ай бұрын
Hello from Brazil, David. I liked so much your Great Empire of Dawn theory and also improve my listening on english
@jt9446
@jt9446 11 ай бұрын
Pen is head in welsh so pendragon being the dragon’s head. Pretty spot on to what you said! Currently listening to go to sleep keep up the great work. Praise Garth!
@TheRyssaRave
@TheRyssaRave Жыл бұрын
I really like this theory of the Valyrians being made by The Great Empire of the Dawn. I wonder if perhaps because they knew about the Others they created the Valyrians as an answer to that at first but due to corruptions, power, and time the purpose of that creation is lost and then reappears in the future Valyrian dragon dreams.
@Bluemilk92
@Bluemilk92 Жыл бұрын
I think I'll download this one. My phone requires wifi, so these mega streams are so beautiful. Two years from now, I'll be rehearing this nonsense, much like that Alt + thing. Thanks LmL, the waiting room at my far future doc's'll be less annoying.
@filipcrnoja5385
@filipcrnoja5385 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't watch it live unfortunately. I will watch it soon.
@twixbar4785
@twixbar4785 Жыл бұрын
had one too many beugs last night so i slept through my alarm but keen to catch up now on 6 hours of brilliance! cheers mate x
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
This feels like an Australia / NZ comment 😅
@twixbar4785
@twixbar4785 Жыл бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer lots of love from down under 😂❤️
@NealOfTaylor44
@NealOfTaylor44 Жыл бұрын
I listen at work & this thing lasted my entire shift! goddamn LML!
@GreyWasteTim
@GreyWasteTim Жыл бұрын
1:10:00 Pray to the moon when it is round Death with you shall then abound For what you seek cannot be found In sea or sky or underground Hell Awaits Azor Ahai listens to Slayer
@barryhercules7588
@barryhercules7588 Жыл бұрын
1:24ish Ned not having Ice at the TOJ pretty much signals that a Dawn vs Ice "coming together" *cough* is a big thing.( side note Brown Ben Plum had a "sword" the same length as ice, allowing him to sire a child whilst being dead). Jon stabbing Danny is gonna be a thing, hope her screams of agony and ecstasy dont get you demonetised. Widows Wail and Oathkeeper kinda suggests Ice mightve caused that scream before but also that there's a promise to fulfil...the Prince? Not sure how the face off will happen unless Ice gets reforged shards of narsil style. Or Bran just wakes up and IT WAS ALL A DREAM
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Repeating the Azor Ahai wife stabbing would be the worst possible thing, and in no world will it be the solution to the story
@MaynardCrow
@MaynardCrow 8 ай бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer Pretty sure OP was implying Jon would be using his meat sword to stab the squish mitten, hence the reference to Brown Ben Plum's ancestor's huge member.
@mattfoulgerBC
@mattfoulgerBC Жыл бұрын
Epic stream! ☄️🤘🏼
@BumboDClown
@BumboDClown 11 ай бұрын
Best energy on KZfaq, brother.
@reid.7680
@reid.7680 11 ай бұрын
I looooooved this stream! Very conspiracy theory but intriguing! You're a great loremaster so I'm not taking any of this against you but here are some funny tidbits: -"Lomas Longstrider claims to have seen Sun Chaser" (Thousands of years before Elissa Farman) -"Shoutout to the Sumerians from like Conan or something..."
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 11 ай бұрын
he didn't live thousands of years before Alyssa Farman
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer 11 ай бұрын
and it was Corlys Velaryon who saw Sunchaser not Lomas L. If is said Lomas then I just misspoke. it was the Seasnake
@reid.7680
@reid.7680 11 ай бұрын
@@DavidLightbringer Oh actually you're right! Thanks. Just wanted to say it was Corlys who saw the Sun Chaser~
@triplebog
@triplebog Жыл бұрын
David's long podcasts have the same windy chaotic energy as my local morning sports radio call in shows
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Definitely part of my inspiration!
@lucashunt4172
@lucashunt4172 Жыл бұрын
How Azor Ahai made lightbringer mirrors 3 meteors hitting in three places. Water/Hammer. Lion/Oldtown. NN you know the rest. They didn’t all hit at the same moment.
@Birdbrainz420
@Birdbrainz420 Ай бұрын
Epic stream thank you!
@jbhitchi
@jbhitchi Жыл бұрын
I haven’t finished the stream yet, so I’m not sure if you’ll get into this, but do you think the colors of Danny’s dragons give clues as to where the moon meteors fell? Dragon’s red and black for Asshai, green and bronze for Westeros (bronze hinting at the fact that Westeros was in the Bronze Age at the time), and white and gold for the north maybe? Idk, just a thought. Love your work, it’s made me think of ASOIAF in a totally new light. Thanks!
@DavidLightbringer
@DavidLightbringer Жыл бұрын
Never thought of that but that could make sense. I'd bet my bacon that there's an oily black stone at the heart of Winter
@TYTfan
@TYTfan Жыл бұрын
omg, I wish I'd caught this live. 6 hours, how exciting!
@jrgoober191
@jrgoober191 10 ай бұрын
Your streams have been awesome lately, glad I'm finally caught up. Great Empire of the Dawn and White Walker icebergs I've watched a couple of times. Your star sword idea got me thinking, though...I wonder if George is drawing a bit from King Tutankhamun? In his tomb was famously a dagger forged from iron (Tut lived during the bronze age, where forging such a weapon with bronze tools would not have been possible) that is believed to have come from a meteor. He had a necklace in the shape of a scarab with a gem forged from this same supposed meteor. Anyway, I wonder if the "Bloodstone Emperor" tale is in any way inspired by this? Tut's family dynasty (Akhenaten was his Dad) could also maybe parallel with the idea of a King upending the social norms of his society and worshipping a new God. Idk but either way, your streams always get me thinking, love all your content!
@mariannesagard8823
@mariannesagard8823 Жыл бұрын
So sorry I missed the lifestream🙈I 🤫will definitly watch this as fast as possible 🙌🔥
@petrocism
@petrocism 8 ай бұрын
I so dig your stuff dude
@nadiasouthiere7908
@nadiasouthiere7908 9 ай бұрын
Thank You LML for this incredible stream! 👌👌👌🤩🙋‍♀️🇨🇦
@psilonemo9459
@psilonemo9459 2 ай бұрын
Just wanted to point out that discovering masses of bones in old mountain ranges can mean two things. One is the more geological conclusion that it simply implies that are was once covered by primal oceans. The other is that a catastrophic deluge had swept across the land, and by the currents placed the corpses of entire masses or pastoral peoples and their herds into tight spots in the mountain ranges as the water settled. There are real life examples of this in the form of mammoth graves, where dozens of mammoth bones are discovered between now frozen mountain ranges. Not sure if GRRM thought all this through as he wrote his book, but it may be connected to a comet, since a meteor impact causes exactly that - a massive deluge. Some people suggest that the younger dryas event is what caused the deluge which swept away an entire cycle of human (or other hominid) civilization, and gave way to the ice age (long winter) before cooling down. The zorses are a reference to actual mongols. People with shorter legs and a smaller stature maintain their composure with more stability due to their center of mass being closer to the ground. This also applies to horses. Mongol ponies cannot run as fast as western horses, but they can run longer without tiring, and can also maintain their balance very well. If you see mongol horse archers do their work, they seem almost as if they are sitting on a smart stability saddle reducing movements so they can shoot their bow without hinderance. The whole idea that monarchs are actually divine avatars who are temporarily sent on a mission from a higher plane of existence is directly inspired by old Egyptian beliefs. By the time of the new kingdom these were reduced to mere myths and decorum for pharaohs, but it certainly must have been believed to be absolutely true in the distant past. They were also a star-worshipping megalilthic people. The fisher queens are likely a direct reference to the semitic notion of the Dagon, or a fish-god which rises from the water to pass on the arts of agriculture to uncivilized peoples. This sort of "fish-god" exists in Aztec myths as well in the form of a serpent god from the sea. This Dagon god is also compared to another being called Oannes. It is no coincidence that this was partly the inspiration for HP Lovecraft's mermen. I know it sounds real cheesy.. but I think the whole azor ahai stabbing his queen after marrying her is just a mistranslation of a more archaic and distant way of saying.. that they had sex. You'll notice that ancient texts often simply use the word coitus, or "to penetrate" to mean that people banged. The idea of an atlantean figure who is responsible for bringing divine punishment due to hubris also makes me think that the myth is actually a greek way of saying that a people became too great in their pursuit of knowledge and power until they made a scientific mistake that they could not return from. Think of the tower of babylon. Perhaps the bloodstone emperor wasn't evil, but rather a genuinely compassionate king with good intentions who was desperate to save his failing empire and ended up doing something he shouldn't have done. Perhaps.. what caused all sorts of mutations in people and corrupted the lands was something akin to magic radiation. What George entertains with the idea of other people is simple. Modern day humans which seem to be divided into multiple races actually are all hybrids. There are humans with a lot of neanderthal DNA, the same way there are people with a lot of Denisovan DNA, and so on. Modern day humans are by definition the inheritors of all the major hominid species that once lived on the Earth and cohabited with us through war and peace alike. Their legacy runs through our blood. We just happen to be the most flexible, well suited, crafty, and ... "sexually adaptive" hominids that ever came to be. We outfucked everybody.
@jonhauge-evaldsson783
@jonhauge-evaldsson783 Жыл бұрын
One meaning of Garth the Green could be First Men magic users, and his children could be with Great Empire of the Dawn people. To get Uthor, Lan and Bloody Brandon.
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