LOL NICE

🎵 oh the old ones are eating my bones 🎵

TAKE ME BEYOND (the Jade Gates) 🤣💀

The cold November Reynes 😂

Camilla: You, sir, should unmask. Stranger: Indeed? Cassilda: Indeed it’s time. We all have laid aside disguise but you. Axl Rose, who is just very old and looks it: I wear no mask. Camilla: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!

Grey Waste Tim brought the thunder! A true sherpa!

Love it

would make more sense for them to be dynasties and not actual immortals because as far as we know immortals are always fucked in the head enough for the common people to not want them to be rulers

Maybe the land which became Valyria instead? The Bloodstone emperor took a Lengi woman as wife (“tiger woman”), if the Amesthyst Empress was also one GRRM would have written that part differently. It also patches up with Valyrians and Dany’s story.

I like that theory.

This comment aged incredibly well. So glad Tim became a regular guest!

Someone's been watching the "just dig ditches" medieval warfare expert guy on youtube haha

@@kevj4584 Which guy is that?

Correct

I've talked to Karsnark on several lore channels. He's a heck of a person very kind and well informed on many lore subjects

To get both, think of how many slaves he would have had to mentally break, skinchange into, and use. You don't just find the two most valuable treasures in Westeros in the same ruined building with a giant x on the ground 'around' it. Years of Euron walking these bodies in...dying in those bodies countless horrible, gruesome times. That's the only way he could have done it, but to do so, he must have perfected techniques of mental torture so intense they make MK Ultra look tame...

not sure what got in to me yeah

@David Lightbringer I think it was bc the Amethyst Empress did something similar, and it freaked out the Maiden Made of Light so she turned her back. That's how the long night started.

Similar to the trail of underwater seamonts running from Hawaii to the coast of Japan. That’s the best “geothermal hotspot volcano trail” on earth I think. What’s the explanation for the Mother of Mountains, in your opinion?

@@DavidLightbringer I would guess an extinct volcano but don't know enough about it myself to really make a better judgement

Lol, this made me laugh.

right on Conrad good to see you in the chat!

this one was a doozy, Grey Waste Tim is awesome

Well I mean it’s subjective but all these dragons come from PIE expansion. But if you compare, say, Norse myth (which is the closest to original PIE, seemingly), there’s just Jormungandr and Fafnir, whereas if you go to India, Iran, and other southeast Asian countries, there are dragons and nagas everywhere. Chinese culture has the most dragons of anyone. So yeah I think the east is where dragons come from.

@@DavidLightbringer I think this is not quite a logical conclusion. You can't quite say that there is any consensus about dragons coming from the east. As main aspects like Jormungandr and Fafnir, there are not that many in Chinese or Japanese mythology. They have more of a symbolic nature. In Indian mythology, there is mostly the Naga snake, which is not quite clear as a dragon. As parts of tales and story elements, they have always been common in both cultures. Furthermore, with the common origin of the Indo-European or Indo-Germanic culture, they probably derive from the same people.

@@LamiNalchor with all respect, you're simply wrong. Chinese mythology is FULL of dragons - the story of Sun Wukong alone has 4, one for each of the cardinal directions. All dragons are symbolic, all mythology is symbolic, Jormungandr is symbolic, this has nothing to do with how many dragons there are. In Vedic myth, there are more than the Nagas, many more. Vritra is involved in the creation myth and is largely parallel to Jormungandr as a PIE derivative myth. Rahu and Ketu are serpent demons, as are many of the Asuras. There are also many serpents in Vedic myth, such as Vasuki or the one Vishnu sleeps on, and that's the same thing - Jormungandr is usually described as a serpent, you'll recall. Then we go over to Iranian myth, where we have Azi Dahaka, king of the demons, and Gochir, and many others. Yes, many of these myths come from the original dragon-slayer PIE myth - my point was that when those people spread out and eventually merged with various indigenous populations, the resulting mythologies that sprung up in the east had way more dragons than those in the west. It could be that there were already dragon myths in the east - Chinese ones that leaked out, probably - or it could be that the Proto-Indo-Iranians in the east just ran wild with the original dragon slayer myth whereas the steppe peoples who went west did not. Either way, there are far more dragons and serpents in eastern mythology, which is a well known fact that I'm surprised to find anyone arguing with. That's precisely why Martin put the dragon origins in the east. Why you you would speak so assertively from ignorance is beyond me, but you very obviously do not know what you are talking about here.

@@DavidLightbringer This is highly disrespectful to a degree that I am not willing to accept. Offside the presentations in your videos you seemingly have no experience in discussions or logical exchange - definitely not in a friendly or classy manner. I don't interact with such behavior. This is the end for me of this discussion.

Yeah they are more like Atlantis, Numenor, etc etc. Totally mythical and high fantasy. But to your point not steppe nomads, no. Urban and war like

@@DavidLightbringer I agree. Quite in general, your channel is by far the best related to the topic; by far.

Hell yeah Tim is the one to thank he did a ton of prep work! But Ive been passing along all the praise and kind words so he knows. :)

hell yeah GWT brought it!

makes sense to me tbh. the “blood of the dragon” is a genetic experiment carried out in the GEOTD to make people who could control dragons

100% yes I’m aware! Really awesome nod to RJ there

@@DavidLightbringer I finally got around to finish watching the video and noticed that you had mentioned RJ.

The Bonetown Curry is amazing, no doubt ;)

Yes I did. Oringinally i was gonna talk generic reasons for why empires fall but then after that K&G vid came out I was like "this sounds a lot like Long Night environmental disasters" and made some edits. That and their video on the Indonesian super volcano factoring into the Mongol downfall were huge inspirations.

yeah you didn't have to twist my arm either lol

That’s what I have found as well. It’s fun research I love sword tech

Check out secret origins of the green men: Isle of Leng in the weirwoods and greenseers playlist. You may be right

welcome! You've come to the right place!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Interesting that she gets that Jade Tiara of the Empress of Leng. Kinda implies Amethyst Empress WAS a God Empress of Leng

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Load up on that weirwood paste and some Shade of the Evening to pair

Thanks Gavin!