it looked like tai otoshi

It's a common pursuit in traditional chinese martial arts: smaller movement for bigger (or at least the same) effect. Sadly, this is sort of undermined through the introduction of Western gynmastics standards into wushu taolu/"forms" performances, which gives the public the wrong impression that traditional chinese martial arts have to have big flowery movements (just like gymnastics).

I'll be 100% honest, I just stumbled across this art today. However, If this is the highlight level then I'm not too impressed. I bet if you took your average judo Competitor at the national level (not even the Olympic level) then they would throw these guys like a rag doll. I will say that I'm glad that they can grab the legs though, it makes things a little more exciting

P.s. I don't even train Judo, I'm completely unbiased when it comes to that. I just am not that impressed, it was fun to watch but they wouldn't be able to do those throws on a average level competitive judok, let alone an Olympian. I trained with Brian Olson before (bjj black belt, 4 time judo Olympian, and Olympic bronze medalist) and when someone at that level gets grips on you there's absolutely nothing you can do about it! I'm not saying that these guys don't have skill but I think there's a massive difference in skill and athleticism between them and top level judo players.

@@Daniel_Cooley See the video " Chinese wrestling vs.judo". It happened on xu xiadongs gym. You were saying?

Not the best from China but I guess the best you'll see on KZfaq.

@@Daniel_Cooley sadly shuai jiao will always play second fiddle to judo as long as there's no olympic program. A lot of great judo players are international, and shuai jiao is just a folk wrestling style primarily practiced in some parts of china

Well Xu are wrong. For ex Kung Fu have been proven in ex MMA. Specially the Sanda/Sanchou style.

​@@fredrikhedlund sanda and shuai jiao are the only proven stuff that works in a real fight and i believe they are not even considered kung fu

xxd only beaten up some posers who thought they've been trained in fighting, it's like some karatekas & tkd who went up against muay thai people in the 70's & 80's and learned some hard lessons. he proved nothing. if xxd is so sure all chinese kung fu practitioners are bs he could have done like what they did in ip man-1 movie and seek out the best fighters in town for a fight, better if it's a town like songshan where shaolin is located.

@@flowrepins6663 choy li fut and bajiquan are pretty good too, the only issue is that not many people train in those styles

The key words are fake martial artists not fake martial arts

Yea, that was a legit Tai Otoshi.

Nobody ever accused it of being fake. This sport is even more difficult than Judo.

@@cumsalot Yeah, calling it fake was excessive. I guess "ineffective", would be the most appropriate term people would generally affix to traditional Chinese martial arts. It's not a belief that I personally carry, but a common one when the topics of martial arts and practicality are brought forth for comparisons.

every grappling martial arts are effective. it's the striking ones that has a lot of fake shenanigans.

Definitely real. The only issue is, they have to close the distance before they can grapple in any real fights. They start with the grappling position without needing to close the distance. I will try to avoid clinching with anyone because there are wrestling, judo, and BJJ guys out there.

Impossible to compare Olympic Judo to this. Go watch amateur Judo and you will see exactly this.

I agree. The judo back in the day was way more exciting, but now with all these new rules, especially in the olympics, it got so boring

@@Bless3dWithACurse That is why i hate sport Judo. Every time you look up they are banning something else where it not even worth watching. Sport people need to leave the Original art alone.

because in the 70 S the made rule that it is forbideen to take the legs. why? because it is more efficient and every body did only this , not esthetical to see. judo like many combats sports are ... sports I m from karate and same problem of leaks , it is import to known all the aspects of the fight or in real situation .... huuuum

@@juanmma7982 the rule came in 2010.

cause you have a stable center of gravity? so you what, sprawl??

@@crieverytim You constantly stay in motion, shift your positioning, and so on.

@@crieverytim u have to be limber

Looks like modified taio

Z31Rider aray wah

Did ya?

Did you win?

How did it go?

Americans are so lucky u got all sort of marcial arts....... God bless America I wish I was american

Yes it’s basically the father of Judo

Maybe. Or it could be convergent evolution, since you'll find that European armoured wrestling (ringen) looks like judo and shuai jiao. All three types of wrestling are based on trying to get an armoured opponent on the ground and then either making sure they stay down or stabbing them with a knife.

Its the father of Judo, almost all martial arts orginate from China, Japanese Jiu jitsu is one of them, the father of Judo so you could say that this is Judo's grandfather@@pieman3141

It is older than judo!!

bjj has is ground fighting from dishuquan/dog style kung fu. so shuai jiao crosstrain with dishuquan/gou quan would be better. as stand up i would recommend hung gar. the tiger claw gives good transition to throws and takedowns.

blue guy got 2 points, red guy zero. Whoever touches ground first with any parts of his body except feet loses.

they kick and punch in the FORM MOVEMENT but like judo they have basic punch and kick so judo / jujitsu student know how to deal with the striking ART ..... in competition both judo and SHUAI JIAO do not use striking ....in training all grappling art use STRIKING to help student with the real world situation .......the true focus is grappling in competition

Thanks for the information

otay i did not post this it was dad bat np X3

Well I thank you anyhow It was nice of you anyhow giving me a replay

Think you for the info, I was wondering about Shuai Jiao I teach Chin Na Shou we have Arm Locks, Finger Locks' Joint Locks Throws and Leg Sweeps my Sifu really didn't call it Chin Na he called Kou Zhi Shou Locking Hands Art, But thank you again for taking the time to respond to my question

The referee told the blue guy to avoid to fart.

As strict as in IBJJF. Not more than an inch shorter than the knuckle, I think.

The rule sets can vary slightly from tournament to tournament, but typically there are 1-3 points awarded depending on the throw. Whoever has more accumulated points by the end of the time limit, wins. There is also the possibility to “skunk” an opponent, meaning if you create a big enough point gap, you win automatically. Usually 7 or 8 point gaps are considered a skunk. Skunk is an American term, I don’t know what they’d call it.

Very interesting technique here

No they are very explosive. Speed is the key.

Red tried to throw blue but failed, blue got his feet on the ground and grabbed red from ( the butt or leg) and lifted him that way and got red on the ground

No it is Xiao shu shein technique.

Don't waste your time just do mma or bjj

@@billmurray7721 It's actually not a waste of time. If the context is street fight, bjj "could be" a waste of time, sorry to say. You don't want to stick your back to the ground while your opponent's friends are ganging you around, they'll hit you with a wooden block. And also for the context of a street fight, dude, we use clothes in the street. We don't use clothes in mma. So the "waste of time" conclusion is a dependence statement. Of course, if we talk about bullshido kungfu, I definitely agree with you. But not this, so sorry

BJJ is overrated Id rather practice Catch Wrestling or free style wrestling as my base, and incorporate some BJJ in their much better than practicing pure BJJ @@billmurray7721

Because judo has so many restrictions and loaded with Japanese traditional bullshit.

mongolian wrestling is not include catching legs

This is way older than that.

I was wondering that 2

Shuaijiao (Chinese traditional wrestling) is Han Chinese skills + Manchurian skills and of course some Mongolian skills. moreover, different rules created different skills.

it was from the ancient battle field, being on the ground means death, so shuaijiao kinda lack of ground game. Cheers. )

this was 9 year ago

It's a chinese martial art that focuses on stand up wrestling and grapples, so, yeah in a sense they share many techniques.

no, judo is japanese shuai jiao

No such thing as "lucky throw"

Jakov Hrga there’s lucky throws for beginners. I’ve definitely hit a throw without really knowing what’s going on, that’s just because both me and my opponent suck shit. But yeah, no such thing as lucky throws for higher level folk.

Lucky throw??. No such thing at competition level. Also this is clearly a demonstration match. Nothing wrong with that but those throws are not being fully blocked. This is similar to training where you follow through and allow yourself to be thrown if your opponent’s entry and attempt is a good one.

It's the exact same throws you idiot.

Not judo

judo doesn't grab legs I suppose

This on the surface looks more akin to wrestling than judo. Also "something, something, Japanese martial arts are based on Chinese ones" and so forth. They might use some really similar throws, but each time they threw there was no Kazushi from what I could see. No backstep to provide that rotational force to execute the throws... I failed to see even an underhook, which is surprising noting the fact that they are indeed leaning a lot. You'd figure based on how low they were, they'd be trying something like a single leg. (Which one guy did and somehow got thrown by a wacked out Uchi-mata) Since it seems they value takedowns here than pins or dominant positions. This is probably the most realistic Chinese art I've seen. That's about the only compliment I can give.

@@DeathxThexKid100 I have a humble opinion on this subject. I think when you keep a martial art or a combat sport inside one country or within a small set of traditional schools, they might fail to find some really useful techniques even if they practice it for centuries. They all use a certain set of moves and dont have a reason to do anything differently. When it is shared with the world and becomes widely practiced by a diverse set of schools, people start discovering new techniques, or they cross train and bring techniques from other similar disciplines and incorporate them if they also work for this set of rules, and that makes the art evolve. Also, true innovators are rare. My understanding is that Japanese jujutsu didnt have much kuzushi until Jigoro Kano developed it and emphasized its importance. I have done Judo for a while, but nobody had explained it that well for me until the Internet allowed me to find truly great training videos by world-class competitors and teachers. There was no single leg in Judo, I think, even when it was legal. Kuchiki taoshi is knee-pick; not the same. It took the Brazilians to bring jiujitsu to the wrestlers to make the single leg one of the most widely used takedown in BJJ. Back takes (standing) are not part of Judo really, not sure why. Maybe because they just drop to tani otoshi when they reach halfway. About the underhook, I was thought that if there is a gi, you use it, as gi grips give more control than wrestling holds. But I have also seen instructionals on standing BJJ showing underhooks in gi.

Generally most tma works just that the way they train is not optimal

China's military combat system and number one combat sport is Sanda. And Wing Tsun isn't "non-sensical", it's just that hardly anyone actually spars in their training. Probably 2 out of 10 practitioners do.

@@conarykao9732 Long ago before Sanda became a thing Shuai Jiao was use countless times in war and military training.

@@changlu8891 Never said it wasn't.

@@conarykao9732 It’s fine

Sou brasileiro e estou usando o tradutor para me comunicar com você, então perdoe qualquer erro de ortografia. sim ippon existe mas não dá vitória imediata,

I'm Brazilian and I'm using the translator to communicate with you, so forgive any spelling mistakes. yes ippon exists but does not give immediate victory,

@@nzinga5012 Tudo bem. Tbm sou brasileiro. Agradeço a explicação. Você é praticante?

The Yuan dynasty was established by Kublai Khan, so with all the Mongol influence in China, I don't doubt Mongolian/Central Asian wrestling has some similarities

Chinese wrestling started from 2717 BC from Huang Di's period.

+Thi Kieu Oanh Le China is a cradle of civilization. If it is oriental, then it most likely originated from China. This is oriental (e.g. Judo etc.).

It's supposed to be a mix of Mongolian wrestling with Native Chinese wrestling.

@@theorist-xq6re Egypt and India shows the opposite

yes,it's something like a show.I practice wrestling and I knew.

尚武 Oh, finally. Thanks for the support. There is no doubt that the two wrestlers made a good performance. But it was not "real" combat, nor a pure show. Hope you enjoy the video and furthermore, you can also search for more Shuai Jiao videos and its advanced type : Shou Bo.

This is real.

You're an idiot. You clearly know nothing about Shuai Jiao or martial arts

They stopped the match and had to go consult with the judges lol How's that fake?

And? That's legal.

Then I assume you may read Chinese characters, it says invitation championship on the banner. And if you check other related videos on chinajiao.com, which is the main sponsor of the match, it officially states this video as a match. It a shame that I don't play shuaijiao as a chinese, but I do play judo as a brown belt and thinking about transmitting to shuaijiao, even I am not a great player, I can easily throw someone who is ranked lower than me easily and in a much faster pace, don't you see the Guy in blue is more skillful than the red one? I think it is pointless to argue whether I am a shuaijiao player or not, or how experienced you are in shuaijiao. if you don't think it is true, it is up to you, I believe that anyway, unless you can prove it is officially wrongly stated ,

By the way, how could you be a world champion within 3 years? I mean 3 years ago you can't barely receive an ippon seoi nage properly if I don't get it mistakenly. And you said you are a champion of shoubo, but why you were wearing a judo gi in white belt.

Ye Gu Dear Ye Gu, so that is your issue. You don't know there is NO RANK in Shuaijiao, we wear blue or red belt to identify the sides or just white. Shoubo as well. I've been playing for 14 years and I'm truly a champion of world in the 1st world championship of Shoubo which held place in Paris(2013). Not Shoubo, but Shuaijiao. And if you don't tell the difference, youtube them. By the way, yes, if you are a Shuaijiao player, you will know the video is an exaggerated one. But that doesn't change how well they have performed. I'm glad that you want to transmit to Shuaijiao. Just do it. If you have any question, you can find me as well in Facebook : Stéphane Wu.

Ye Gu Excuse me, I've just figured out what you meant of judo kimono thing. I 've barely remembered I've taken that video. Sorry for the misunderstanding. That was my first year in France and I joined a club Jujitsu and Judo in university for there was no Shuaijiao at all. If you need more me in the video, just ask, or during searching Shoubo, you will find more.

Stéphane Wu Is shuai jiao the parent art of judo? I read it is the oldest authentic chinese martial art

shuai jiao is the form of Wrestling with the least resistant possible because of so many allowed grips and throws resulting in a faster style.

man your response is stupid they just suck ass

Monglian is an ethnic minority in inner Mongolia, China, where the Golden family came from lol. Mongolia is just a land where "horse slaves" captured by mongol arm fed the horses for them. Funny that the real mogol nowadays keep their mouths shut, while the horse slaves blast around and tell everybody that they're mongol. Imao.

shut up, because we have this in northern china as well.

They compete with Mongolian wrestlers all the time. It’s really not that one sided.