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@Narrate9188 ай бұрын
Greg actually gave me the idea to watch this video. Thanks Greg.
@Mike_Norris8 ай бұрын
Greg gave me the idea to read your comment.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Greg give me a idea to tell the truth on this comment section that everyone stole & “lied” about their ideas.
@SartorialisticSavage657 ай бұрын
Greg invented memes.
@lonewanderer827 ай бұрын
No worries ;)
@billleonard70896 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@swfcocs15 ай бұрын
Greg Gagne " i rang Tony in Jacksonville and said " book wembley, youll get at least 80,000" ...
@edwardfarnsworth59157 ай бұрын
You know what would have worked better and been much, much simpler? Giving Hulk Hogan his share of his t shirt money
@patrickperalta59Ай бұрын
Edwardfarnsworth5915... I agree Hogan should have got his share of the T-Shirt Money. Hogan might have stayed.
@shorsbigmouth5 ай бұрын
Greg actually went up to Alexander Graham Bell and said "Hey Al...I know you got a full plate here, but I think you should move forward with this telephone idea, might be going somewhere with this..."
@doubles75335 ай бұрын
You can't steal happy employees. If they were happy and paid well, they wouldn't have left to work for Vince.
@EyeSeeSports5 ай бұрын
Let me guess, this video has a ton of Greg ideas where people screwed him in the end. Greg once found 5 million dollars, left it there, told Hogan, next day it was gone. A week later he had another idea for Hogan.
@tampadave137 ай бұрын
Gagne was behind the times and notorious for not paying his talent well. Which is why Heenan and Ventura left. Cornette recently did a scenario where Hogan stays with AWA amd he questions if Gagne would be giving better paydays. That’s why Vince and Crockett could just take whatever talent they had. At this timeframe. WPIX was a superstation (because of Yankees games) and was owned by the same people that owned the Knicks, Rangers, and the Garden. The WWF paid local station to carry their programs at first, but they drew great ratings and stations started paying the WWF. Wrestling was so hot, WPIX had GLOW on it. Read The Death of the Territories. It goes into detail how other promoters were trying to do what Vince was doing and how he won the war the moment he took Detroit and Buffalo. Because, unlike everyone else, he,surrounded himself with people that helped him succeed. It’s why AEW will ultimately fail.
@jeyDsixx186 ай бұрын
Aew will fail because of that but also because they operate at a loss of tens of millions every year…how long will Tony’s dad allow him to play wrestling promoter before the money being lost starts to get crazy and is too much to ignore?
@MrPotatoesLatkie4 ай бұрын
Where did you read that? Gagne was apparently one of the better pay off guys, and he had a much lighter touring schedule. Heenen and Ventura left because Vince was offering them even more money. along with national TV exposure.
@tampadave133 ай бұрын
@@MrPotatoesLatkie Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura. Jim Cornette even mentioned it when talking about if Hulk Hogan stayed in the AWA.
@benjaminmartin90738 ай бұрын
Greg trained Abraham Lincoln to be a pro wrestler then gave him a top hat and said go be president.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
😂😂 and was there at the last supper, made the wheel and inspired Alexander Gresham Bell
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Oh oh oh one more thing I forgot, applying for a council estate housing due to lack of working, wait I’m not joking.
@michaelsnelling98755 ай бұрын
Wat 😂😮 in the AWA HELL? 😭
@JGD1857 ай бұрын
"I remember when WCW started beating WWF in the ratings. I called Vince and said what the hell are you doing over there? You need to change things quick, you need to bring some attitude to Raw. Sure enough next week Vince did the Attitude Era promo, and the rest is history." -Greg Gagne
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Greg was ahead of his time clearly, I mean he is the embodiment of the 90s, fresh cool and can pull any lady by showing his dad’s credit card.
@costasspartan18943 ай бұрын
Id rather listen to greg gagne interviews which are always enjoyable to listen to, most of the other guys put you to sleep.
@JohnnyLaps8 ай бұрын
It and the AWA folded because guys like you Greg,and your dad.You were NOT a champion! Hogan would have stayed if your old man paid him and gave him the belt.You screwed Hennig too.
@robertmoore88218 ай бұрын
Yep and Hogan was super over in the AWA and he was making moves in Hollywood and selling merchandise.Hogan also had a deal in Japan and Verne Gagne thought he could bully Hogan into giving him a percentage of all that,but Hogan and McMahon as we know had the last laugh.
@jaimejaviergarcia37434 күн бұрын
@@robertmoore8821let’s not forget Lake Minnetonka!!!
@TimBowen-sh6pe8 ай бұрын
It's because we don't have the TEAM CHALLENGE SERIES anymore!
@perfectblindguy8 ай бұрын
The superclash 3 match between Kerry Von Erich and Lawler was dumb. KVE hit the ringpost and his hand is gushing blood. KVE put Lawler in the claw and had Lawler's shoulders on the mat. The ref, instead of counting the three, called for the bell and stopped the match because KVE was losing too much blood which gave Lawler the title. And people wonder why the AWA went to hell.....
@ggallin20118 ай бұрын
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
@stephenjones14888 ай бұрын
@@ggallin2011you think Verne Fucking Gagne was doing cocaine? Lmfao. The "those damn Marijuana pills these young folk are on today!" type old man wasn't on anything..he was just losing touch and made poor business decisions in a ever evolving wrestling landscape.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Not all a failure because at the end of the night, Verne said he had a great time. AWA wasn’t in trouble if the owner had fun, Tony Khan might need to have a think about things.
@SartorialisticSavage657 ай бұрын
That's because Kerry accidentally cut his arm backstage and they were trying to cover it. Lawler confirmed. 😊👌
@unclestinky63887 ай бұрын
While Vince is not forthright when he says he didn't want to put anyone out of business, Greg is describing competition. Competition stinks for the people who lost, and Vince complained about it when Turner started to eat Vince's lunch a decade later. Greg described that the promoters thrived when they all honored an agreement not to compete with each other. In that example, the TV exec should not have gone back on this word, but, the promoters should have had a TV contract that outlined the obligations. It's understandable, but people just don't want competition. Lack of competition is a main reason why so many people want to work for the government, even if those people don't realize why.
@Koolazzmike5 ай бұрын
That's cold what Vince did to them in St. Paul! They definitely had a lawsuit! And the building manager in St. Paul should have informed them immediately after Vince came in!
@gtf25843 ай бұрын
agreed
@unclestinky63887 ай бұрын
"Once they (WWF) *got* Hogan". It was a terrible error to let Vince *get* Hogan. And it likely lead to a cascade of events that cost Vern his business.
@marcbasil7 ай бұрын
Lolwut. There was no way that Hulk freaking hogan was ever going to be centred out of a place in freaking midwestern murica. The AWA failed because it wasn’t based out of NYC, the capital of everything & the only place that matters in murica alongside LA
@williammitchell44178 ай бұрын
Kevin must be on vacation. Sean is replaying this stuff.
@Bazzeboy8 ай бұрын
Decent replay, though
@studbourbon7988 ай бұрын
But it's Greg. So far better than the cool stories of Big Sexy .
@rodzor8 ай бұрын
AFAIK this isn't Sean's channel...? This guy just posts shoot interview clips. Sean is at Kayfabe Commentaries KC Vault.
@wendyjohnson41895 ай бұрын
Wow,Bobby Heenan looks healthy here!What year was this video?
@stes93364 ай бұрын
Greg saw a young George Washington - gave him a powdered wig and said “go defeat the British kid” Which was great hindsight as he wasn’t drawing a dime at the time
@AmericanCombatAssoc3 ай бұрын
What year was this?
@kar54318 ай бұрын
If Vince paid more for talent to join him, it not stealing. Greg also said he help get Hogan to join WCW and he told Bischoff that he wanted a percentage of Hogan pay and merchandising.
@jamesmiller53315 ай бұрын
Greg wanted something for exercising his friendship with Hogan to get Hogan to the negotiating table because he had been fucked out of a contract that would pay him incentives based on performance with his role in the company. He overplayed his hand for sure but I don't blame him for trying to chase the money he had already lost in exchange for trying to recoup the money he already wasn't getting.... which was about to become significantly more money lost if Hogan came in because the ratings were going to go up from there.
@AaronLesterMedia5 ай бұрын
Dam Karma finally caught up to Vince. I bet all them old promoters who lost their empires are laughing from their graves.
@robertmoore88218 ай бұрын
It looks like 'bean pole" Greg will never accept accountability on his father's behalf.😂
@laurenceamspoker7828 ай бұрын
Daddy said sell.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Bean Pole, bit hash to say about the founder of the NWO, had a conversation that got leaked about the rock n roll connection & if Vince wasn’t responsible for the territories demise, wouldn’t another son of a famous promoter done the very same thing? A bitter sad broke old boy.
@SonicandTheTailsbrothersАй бұрын
Greg: so I told Nolan Ryan to throw a fastball. It'll get over
@gabesmith84503 ай бұрын
"So I said to him....Jesus, you got all these people around, you can heal, why don't you pick 12 guys and...."
@stevewhitney70373 ай бұрын
Dusty books Dusty. How many times was Vern world champ 16 17 times. Vern booked Vern.
@bbiscuit30008 ай бұрын
AWA at one point no matter how small of an amount of time was the greatest wrestling company in the world. Only problem is it was right before the giant boom of WWF. 70s and early to mid 80s AWA was the greatest wrestling in the world.
@jd91198 ай бұрын
Mid South 1981-1985 was better.
@asoncalledvoonch22108 ай бұрын
NwA in 1970 & 1980's: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
@bbiscuit30008 ай бұрын
@@asoncalledvoonch2210 Before NWA got onto TBS and before Vince McMahon went crazy to unite America under one wrestling company AWA was one of the most watched programs in America. It was the largest Territory in wrestling history. Covered a third of the country.
@asoncalledvoonch22108 ай бұрын
@@bbiscuit3000 McDonald's also sell the most burgers on earth, yet they a far from edible. Just because a ton of people watched aWa, don't mean it was the best wrestling. If it was so popular and great, why isn't it alove today? It's been dead longer than I've been alive and I'm 33. Just being honest.
@bbiscuit30008 ай бұрын
@@asoncalledvoonch2210 It isn't around because of Vince McMahon going behind everybody's back and purposely putting everyone out of business by raiding talent after taking their television away by just buying it from the station. Everything post Vince is some of the worst wrestling ever. Attitude Era had zero main event workers. The whole main event scene was brawlers and entertainers. Austin after breaking his neck was a shell of himself.
@laurenceamspoker7828 ай бұрын
Backlund should have been used better by the awa and nwa during this time, no excuse.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
The high flyers was more over in 1970s. Fresh (at the time) & Bob Buckland couldnt cut a heel promo to save his life clearly.
@laurenceamspoker7827 ай бұрын
@@stephencatchdudeknight4623 True. However, Backlund preceded Sheiky Baby and Hogan as champion. Backlund should've got the NWA Missouri belt again at least or ve prominently featured in 1 of the gab 85 cards in a title shot against Flair for the NWA to try to stick it to Vinnie Jr.
@OaktownABQ5 ай бұрын
They never came CLOSE to selling out the Cow Palace.
@mkl623 ай бұрын
The promoters wanted their own men to main event, even though they were not in their own territories.
@KingRat717 ай бұрын
It would have been smarter for Vince to partner with them all. Vince gets 50% and is able to poach or rotate talent and use the regional propmotions as development markets. They coudl have persisted and fedhim talent that he didnt have to pay to develop. It would have kept more variety in the market too which creates a bigger asudience.
@jonathanturbide22327 ай бұрын
Absolutely not, such nonsense. All these old promoters involved in Pro Wrestling USA were working together yet they all tried to backstab each other, Vince was incredibly smart to stay away from them and to do his own thing by himself. Vince won and made record profits throughout the mid to late 80's, questioning his strategy is nonsensical.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Overkill but this rumor could not be unnoticed. Forbidden Door was his idea, he told TK if he holds the door for his father, he pays him. Well Greg just sucked up because he never held a door open in his entire life, people keep letting him in for…… what? Being a son of a genius promoter?
@user-pc8uq6df2k5 ай бұрын
So much "he said, then the other guy said" in wrestling. But this is a fact; Bill Watts was never involved in Pro Wrestling USA. Some of his wrestlers appeared, mainly Reed & Duggan. That's it.
@McElwainLovesSharks3 ай бұрын
Gagne: “I told Judas that Mount Zion desperately needed a heel and he should double cross Jesus. 30 pieces of silver later and you’ve got the longest running and most successful angle of all time.”
@rondoughhowell64428 ай бұрын
Vince McMahon was playing Chess while everyone else was playing checkers,Watts, Gagne,Crockett, Fritz,,Graham, Owens,Jarrett, Ole,Checkmate
@DonSmith23238 ай бұрын
Jarrett was playing 10 for him 1 for the boys and so were many others and thats the problem and that made it so much easier for vince to buy the whole show..
@lrm2158 ай бұрын
U right!!!
@rondoughhowell64428 ай бұрын
@@lrm215 of course
@stephenjones14888 ай бұрын
@@DonSmith2323that definitely didn't help lol.
@meherenow7935 ай бұрын
vince was given "his" business by his daddy; a literal handout.
@shipwreckedpoet35 ай бұрын
Sounds like what every corporation in america does in a free market economy. Vince thinks like Wall Street the rest of these guys think like the 5 families of The Mafia.
@rict58784 ай бұрын
AWA did lose some good talent , Hogan being the biggest. Bill Watts lost Hacksaw Butch Reed ,JYD , Hacksaw Dugan, Ted DiBiase, Koko B.Ware, Jake Roberts and they later acquired One Man Gang . The NWA lost Roddy Piper, Steamboat. Billy Jack Haynes. WCCW lost Kamala, Missing Link , Rick Rude, Warrior .
@michaelsnelling98755 ай бұрын
He looks and sounds just like verne.
@trueyankee47675 ай бұрын
I honestly think Greg is so potectie of his dad's legacy and is the last flame of the old AWA that he has to tip all the stories in his/Vern's favor. There must be a lot of truth to what he says because his story always stays the same.
@juliodepierola2977 ай бұрын
🕵️♀️
@dwaynebrooks38127 ай бұрын
Never liked the AWA or the Gagne’s.
@pikkon8997 ай бұрын
"steal talent" The wrestlers are independent contractors. It's simple math. You get offered more money, you go to where you can get that money. Greg claiming McMahon was stealing talent is laughable because Greg was notorious for not paying his guys very well. That's why Heenan and Ventura left.
@rudistorm33485 ай бұрын
Exactly. He could of "stole" them back by just paying a little more.
@jamiehaner17548 ай бұрын
Poor Greg. Nepo baby #1
@CatsClaw448 ай бұрын
As you cheer and hype Shane and Stephanie. Nothing hypocritical there.
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
You are born in a family regardless of status.
@SartorialisticSavage657 ай бұрын
I understand people's issues with Greg. But HE IS RIGHT! McMahon was playing extremely dirty in the 80s.
@josephmiller94247 ай бұрын
People joke about greg but think Hogan didnt get over until AWA the night i stopped to watch Hogan VS sheik was because i saw in AWA in a small town and look the Brain , The Body. , Doctor D and Mean Gean .so greg could be telling the truth but Russo saying he invented the Rock , Stone Cold is more believable lol
@joecortese17025 ай бұрын
Wrestling was so much better in the territory days: Vince McMahon single handedly destroyed wrestling in the US; today’s WWE sucks by comparison!
@SartorialisticSavage657 ай бұрын
However, Pro Wrestling USA needed a third party booker instead of 3 territories arguing about it with all the FuckFinishes
@pikkon8997 ай бұрын
"steal talent" The wrestlers are independent contractors. It's simple math. You get offered more money, you go to where you can get that money. Greg claiming McMahon was stealing talent is laughable because Greg was notorious for not paying his guys very well. That's why Heenan and Ventura left. Greg is describing competition and from the perspective of a guy who's bitter that he lost. If I'm a cable company and Vince offers me more money than Greg is to run his show, I'm running Vince's shows. It's what's been done in advertising for years on TV.
@guislarcia64238 ай бұрын
Fetus Sean Oliver
@phillipstankey88816 ай бұрын
It failed because Greg touched it....
@0089nyyankees7 ай бұрын
So it would have succeeded only if they listened to him and his dad 🤣👌
@MABMGuitar7 ай бұрын
Reason #1: Greg Gagne
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Very important fella. I mean he speaks knowledge from his time as a backstage hand, I meant highest ranked jobber on the clock.
@perfectblindguy8 ай бұрын
awa got 22 million viewers a week? No way in hell....
@doubledown04118 ай бұрын
I would just say that TV numbers were drastically different in the 80s. Most markets had 5-6 channels. Even after Cable started spreading, local TV got big numbers.
@h.i.s.ministryhelpinginser316 ай бұрын
It's possible, back in the 70's and 80's wrestling was huge. There wasn't as many channels and streaming like today!
@mikeplumer76875 ай бұрын
Vince did alot of sleazy things which is why it was hysterical when he whined about Ted and Bischoff. But in Greg's world the AWA failed and it was everybody fault but Verne😂
@mox193807 ай бұрын
so vince paid for talent. paid for tv. paid for marketing. paid, paid, paid. perhaps i'm the dummy but when you pay for something...is it stealing? Pro Wrestling USA didn't work for one simple reason. trying to combine 3 companies that are individually owned and still operating independently except for an occasional compilation show cannot develop a true program. 3 companies, 3 champions, 3 groups of bookers, 3 promoters, appealing to 3 different fan bases, etc etc....how was that going to work? I saw that meadowlands show. it was a dumpster fire. angles didn't work, no one really got over...watch the show and listen to the fans chanting boring the ENTIRE show. super clash 1 worked. once. but then verne didn't pay visiting talent. and consequences of that are seen in super clash 2.
@jamiehaner17548 ай бұрын
Who cares about Crusher and Mad Dog?
@DonSmith23238 ай бұрын
Maybe in 1975
@perfectblindguy8 ай бұрын
Pat Patterson said that Mad Dog Vachon was the toughest guy he had ever been around.....
@kar54318 ай бұрын
They Could’ve been booking Hogan vs Brody matches.
@shipwreckedpoet35 ай бұрын
This would have been something to see.
@DateTwoRelate5 ай бұрын
A predator in business and in interpersonal relationships. Guess who?
@markedly10135 ай бұрын
You only hear the bullshit ... from Greg.
@jasoncutshaw84018 ай бұрын
Vince McMahon is the worst thing that happened to the name WRESTLING in 15,000yrs
@rockinrj878 ай бұрын
He's both the worst and the best. From a purely business standpoint you can't deny his success he is the best promoter in wrestling history. You don't have to like how he got there but facts are facts. The truth is if it wasn't Vince somebody else would have gone national with the invention of cable television the territory system was going to die anyway
@davidporter70518 ай бұрын
Must be a mouth breather. Pro Wrestling isn't wrestling and if it was bad WWE would not have sold for more money than you and your family will not witness let alone hold in your lifetime. WWE is a top 10 brand world wide. If things stayed the same there would be hillbilly wrestling with pig dung on TV.
@jasoncutshaw84018 ай бұрын
@@rockinrj87 Anyone can steal someone else's plan or idea and make others think it's their own.. but your right Business has no real ethical feeling
@jokerswank60828 ай бұрын
Imho, yeah he was good at building up an empire, but the thing is he didn't know how to keep talent (especially for the right amount of time). Only a few talents have been around long enough from my observation
@rockinrj878 ай бұрын
@@jasoncutshaw8401 The thing is everybody says Vince killed the territories technically he did. Here's the thing that nobody brings up the way television was going with cable and everything becoming national it was going to kill the territories anyway. If it wasn't Vince McMahon it would have been Jim Crockett or the von Eric's somebody was going to go national if not Vince he was just the first one to do it as a result he gets all the credit and the blame
@tobysgamingworld15505 ай бұрын
Sean killed his whole story with one question “so if your ratings were so big why would they take it off the air for a few dollars?” Uh uh uh uh well uh some of them uh uh 😂 Lying ass Greg
@wildscreenwriter5 ай бұрын
Greg is just describing capitalism.
@JRam18 ай бұрын
Vince ruined wrestling
@JohnnyLaps8 ай бұрын
I disagree.Vince just paid the guys what they deserved.This guy Greg Gagne and his dad screwed people out of money,hoarded every buck.Hogan would have stayed,Hennig would have stayed.. Pay them!Give them the belts,they are your best draws.Not Greg and jumping Jim Brunzel!
@DonSmith23238 ай бұрын
Well he bought wrestling for pennies on the dollar and turned it into cartoon wrestling entertainment look at Raw and Smackdown today there's barely any wrestling at all its all story and gaga Raws 3 hrs long and theres a couple crappy unwatchable matches..Im happy with watching midsouth and SMW and Nwa
@stephencatchdudeknight46237 ай бұрын
Yes he did but he created sports entertainment and we all must accept that.