Wish they allowed for a proper 1x mullet dropping the chainring down to 32-36. 40t is waaaay too much for bikepacking. Even the pros have a 20 gear inch granny.
@erlendsteren9466 Жыл бұрын
I would like 42 in front and 10-51 behind with 44 mm graveltyres. 40 + 11-42 is what I have and it is covering everything important, but I could be happy with one more gear in both ends. 40- 42 is average 7,5 km/t when going as easy as I can in long (30 minute)8% climbs.
@joshuamitton95 Жыл бұрын
some great camera work on this feature, great stuff GCN team!
@BeatsByBeast Жыл бұрын
How sick is this video? Nice camera angles and scenes! Wow👍🏻👍🏻
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Sick video for a sick groupset 🤙
@OlegsKop Жыл бұрын
There is a sign on the lock ring "road use only"... Very interesting sign for part that going to be used off-road.
@thomasb.4219 Жыл бұрын
GRX 12speed mechanical??? Best news 2023 so far!!! 😍🤩
@gcn Жыл бұрын
You bet! Will you be picking this groupset up yourself?
@thomasb.4219 Жыл бұрын
@@gcn it's already available in Germany .... but the price!!! 😱
@DrAlafro Жыл бұрын
I had to rewind to make sure I saw a mechanical groupset in a GCN video 😂
@gcn Жыл бұрын
You bet you did! We love mechanical. The tech channel have gone made for the cables too 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibd2hdB4yrG2ep8.html
@hugobci Жыл бұрын
This video intro edit was frenectic!
@LLeoBan Жыл бұрын
Now this is a proper gravel groupset.
@iwearLingerie Жыл бұрын
Nahhhh you Can't beat a 90s 7x3
@gcn Жыл бұрын
What do you think makes for a proper gravel groupset?
@LLeoBan Жыл бұрын
@@iwearLingerie IMO multiple chainrings are too complicated nowadays. removing a component (FD) makes things simpler. less moving partrs.
@LLeoBan Жыл бұрын
@@gcn Simplicity (1by mechanical), range (11-50) and breaking power.
@tonyg3091 Жыл бұрын
@@LLeoBan I wouldn’t touch a 1x gravel setup with a 10ft pole, jus sayin…
@dickdastardly5921 Жыл бұрын
Keep going, it’s nearly a mountain bike! 🤣😝
@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын
Wait until they release the GRX flat bar shifter which is of course WAY different from a MTB shifter because it‘s infused with THE SPIRIT OF GRAVEL.
@dickdastardly5921 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisridesbicycles 🤣🤣🤣
@thedownunderverse Жыл бұрын
@@chrisridesbicyclesermagherd, grervell 😂
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Hahaha a mountain what? 🤔
@dickdastardly592111 ай бұрын
@@gcn 🤣
@theGEOcycle Жыл бұрын
Now to wait patiently for the 1x Di2 upgrade. Help me solve my issue - SRAM 1x performance or Shimano braking. 12 speed will give what I want!
@ellismccoy Жыл бұрын
This is where I'm at too, SRAM braking is just crap compared to Shimano.
@TerryNutkins3 Жыл бұрын
So the 1x versions are just the MTB versions but with a bigger Chainring on the front
@bartoszsmietana1 Жыл бұрын
Impressive, very nice, let's se Microshift Sword prices. Honestly I am more adventure rider with loaded heavy steel gravel bike so really dont need "performance groupset" which costs as twice as budget groupsets. So i really looknup to Sword 2x groupset with sub-subcompact cranck and wide cassette
@HuntersCyclingAdventures Жыл бұрын
I’m getting a priority 600x next week can’t wait to ride that bad boy
@Frostbiker Жыл бұрын
Gearboxes are the way to go if you want to ride your bike instead of maintaining it.
@GreenCurryiykyk Жыл бұрын
Seems like gravel gear is plateauing, reaching that level of slow improvements that other bikes have seen, at least since the dominance of disc brakes. Nice new gear for my next new bike, but my 4 year old bike with a few updates (lower gearing, 25mm internal width rims)...I'm set. Fun to look at the new toys, but nothing I have to rush out and buy.
@PolyglotBikepacker11 ай бұрын
2x11 is perfect for gravel
@emusp Жыл бұрын
No 165mm crank option in 800 series 🤷♂
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
same as 11 speed, I really wish they would make a 155mm or at least 160mm
@gregsullivan7408 Жыл бұрын
It's the RANGE that excites me - not the number of gears. 10 - 51 - *** HOORAY ***
@gcn Жыл бұрын
That dreamy range! 🙌
@CrabgrassFarmer Жыл бұрын
Curious if these crank arms are compatible with the older version so if you already have a crank arm based power meter it will work with the new version.
@swray2112 Жыл бұрын
INSANE that their cranks start at 170mm considering the recent trend and studies showing the benefits of shorter crank arms in general, but it leaves people like my 5' 2" wife looking elsewhere for cranks. Other hollowtech II cranks have avaible shorter lengths, so it's not the technology. It's literally like they are trying to kill the 24m spindle or care only about OEM , knowing bike shops will swap on their small frames at the point of purchase.
@jasonnorman6804 Жыл бұрын
The RX600 cranks start at 165.
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
rotor aldhu come in 155 with 24mm axle
@carlsberg-gs6rl Жыл бұрын
You can go third party for shorter cranks but they are either hella more expensive nad good or downright crap.
@christophertan3195 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonnorman6804Yeah and they couldn't do it with the 820?
@erli974 Жыл бұрын
and here i was hoping for 160mm cranks. don't i feel silly
@DenAvia Жыл бұрын
Hello, GCN! As you think, will new grx RD be compatible with new 12sp 105 levers? Identical cable pull?
@maxtech2213 Жыл бұрын
Also die 11 fach grx war auf jeden fall zur 11 fach 105 kompatibel. Wird sicher bei der 12fach genau so sein
@russhunz Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the new 12 speed GRX STI will be compatible to MTB RD like Deore and XT?
@matt.3.14 Жыл бұрын
Part of me doesn't particularly care if the new GRX one supports a 51T cassette. :)
@tonyg3091 Жыл бұрын
Ahh another mullet fan, high five! 😉
@alexdrinkwater28 Жыл бұрын
Grx Shifter have pull ratios that don't match MTB RD
@chuckyfox9284 Жыл бұрын
@@matt.3.14 You could save a decent bit of change if it was tho.
@Hermod_Hermit5 ай бұрын
I'd like to try this on a pure gravel bike. Not on a gravel/touring bike loaded with gear, but on a gravel ride just made for its rider and a bottle of water. I think that would be a rather nippy ride. And no, I am not a 1x groupset person but I do think that with 12 gears you are incing darn close to not needing that front chain ring in most cases.
@robanderson2517 ай бұрын
I switched my Genesis Croix De Fer over to GRX during lock down and have a real mix and match across the different sets Shimano had on offer then. It would be interesting to understand what i would be able to switch out / change to now etc - I have a 2x 600 series chain ring, 46/30, a 105 road cassette 11-34, the 800 series rear derailleur with clutch, 800 series shifters and front disc caliper with XT rotors. My rear caliper is a 105 one to work with the frame mounting.... so a real mix, but it works really well
@chuckrodgers4780 Жыл бұрын
So with GRX going to 12 speed has the pull ratio changed so you could use either the GRX shifters or the Shimano MTB shifters with the new GRX Rear Derailleur ?
@Piplodocus Жыл бұрын
This is a great move from Shimano. Kinda what I was saying about their 1x GRX options from the start: they should try match SRAMs wider range or use more MTB bits (which is why I run my 1x11 GRX with a SRAM 10-42t instead of the original Shimano 11-42t for more range). So, if you currently have 1x11 GRX on your bike, can you just change your RH lever and other 12-speed specific bits (and microspline), or will your levers then not match and you'll have to buy a new LH lever too else it'll look/feel weird? I already have a LH lever for the dropper/brakes. And I presume the old GRX in-line hydraulic sub-brake levers are still compatible? If you can do just a partial groupset upgrade at some point that makes the upgrade price more appealing. 🤓
@matthewshultz876211 ай бұрын
Bold of you to assume any level of cross compatibility lol... I've heard that the brakes are the same from last gen.
@Piplodocus11 ай бұрын
@@matthewshultz8762 Yeah I presume the fact they describe the new levers as being designed for flared bars, but no previous mention on the 11 speed means I'd have to cough up an extra £250 (or whatever it is) for a new left hand dropper lever I don't really need, just to match a new right.
@robertkeefer1552 Жыл бұрын
I'll just keep my 11 speed GRX 2 by for the time being. It works just fine for road or gravel on my Giant Revolt Advanced 2.
@joelv4495 Жыл бұрын
Same. If they had a 2x 11-46 option I might've considered upgrading, but I'm rocking an 810 11-40 and not tempted at all.
@Decalto35 Жыл бұрын
thanks for letting us know :)
@alexanderscott2567 Жыл бұрын
11s GRX w/9/34 cassette works fine, then becomes another cycling footnote.
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Still a great groupset! Do you see yourself ever making the jump to 12spd? ⚙
@alexanderscott2567 Жыл бұрын
Only on my "dark side" bike@@gcn
@jamiebowen7315 Жыл бұрын
That derailleur looks so vulnerable and close to the ground!!
@ravennexusmh Жыл бұрын
it's pretty, but i've already been running a sram apex/gx mechanical 12 speed setup for nearly a year now. the hoopes i'd have to jump through to run that vs the benifits are not worth it, and shimano need to get with the times, 175 is out of date, 165mm cranks are i. they need 165 167.5 and 170mm cranks
@TobiB89 Жыл бұрын
Is there anything that would stop me from putting it on my road bike with a 48 tooth chainring? Would be perfect with the 10-45 cassette and I'd really like to get rid of the front derailleur
@kekkonenprkl Жыл бұрын
For that specific setup, you would need wheels/hub with Microspline freehub support. Your existing road wheels most likely came with a HG freehub. But other than that, you shouldn't have any issues with converting a road bike to a 10-45 1x setup.
@TobiB89 Жыл бұрын
@@kekkonenprkl was already considering that. Hopefully manufacturers get out the freehubs soon. But a new wheelset would be nice anyway 😉
@nommchompsky Жыл бұрын
Probably nothing more than a disapproving look from Shimano
@tonyg3091 Жыл бұрын
48t chainring and 10-45 cassette makes absolutely no sense. Not fast enough on the flats and not low enough gearing for the climbs.
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
I have 11speed GRX 1x on my road bike (with a 11-46 garbaruk cassette and a garbaruk derailleur cage to make the it work with 11-46 (actually even 11-52 would be possible) work), the only problem is that the chainline is a bit wider and the Q-factor is also wider, I switched to a rotor road crankset and now the chainline and Q-factor are back to road standards. It's a nice setup, but if I would build a road bike again now, I'd probably go 2x Di2, sometimes I would like to have a bit smaller gaps between the gears, and the Di2 Shifters just looks so much nicer.
@kronosthesoulshaker11 ай бұрын
The best advertising for microSHIFT sword.
@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын
Interesting that it‘s mechanical only. Shimano has either seen that electronic shifting is not a thing offroad or it comes together with an updated DI.2 XTR.
@tonyg3091 Жыл бұрын
Electronic is not a thing off-road? 😂😂😂😂 SRAM AXS anyone?
@jeskli11 Жыл бұрын
When I was buying my latest mountain bike (2nd hand), I originally wanted Sram AXS electronic shifting. In the end I found a good value bike equipped with Shimano XTR M9100 and honestly, the groupset is so well made and refined it really doesn't need to be electric. For riding on road, the shifter might feel a little too stiff as you are shifting a lot because of the jumps between the gears, but I can't notice any flaw off-road. I guess with the STI levers this only 'complaint' would be also eliminated. The Hyperglide+ is just that good if you have a high end lever (on the MTB side XT at least, SLX is way too clumsy and the feel is nowhere near as good).
@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын
@@tonyg3091 I don‘t know anybody who has AXS on a MTB.
@ellismccoy Жыл бұрын
I'd say they've delayed the di2 update so they can have another product launch in the future..
@mh_dot_fm9 ай бұрын
nice skids man!
@mikewallis5937 Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see pricing in other currencies than USD
@lordsinclair1st Жыл бұрын
I was surprised about that, too. Normally, they did GBP/EUR/USD in their past videos, didn't they?
@leeveinotte89411 ай бұрын
Sweet slide 🛝
@phillippitts6294 Жыл бұрын
How many times do you have to reinvent the wheel? I still think triple chainrings were great , especially if you live in the mountains!
@philadams9254 Жыл бұрын
Can you mix the 10-51 cassette with the double 31/48 chainrings? When you mentioned the double setup, you listed 2 different cassettes, which suggests that they are the only compatible ones? A 2x12 with that range would be insane for someone like me who wants to climb a lot but is quite overweight.
@veganpotterthevegan Жыл бұрын
I have serious doubts the derailleur could handle that. Your best option is probably a mountain crankset and the 2x friendly cassette. Or go 1x with a 36t chainring and something like the e*thirteen 9-50 cassette
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
also you would have a lot of overlapping gears!
@jonathanzappala Жыл бұрын
A 31x51 is 4 mph at 83 rpm. I’d question why you want to go that slow. That’s get off and walk speed. If you wanted to go that slow why would you want a gear bigger than 50x11 to go along with it?
@veganpotterthevegan Жыл бұрын
@jonathanzappala people climb Powerline at leadville slower than that which is still faster than walking. If you hop off your bike on a climb, the terrain doesn't become flat😉 Walking a 15min mile pushing your bike up a +20% grade isn't happening.
@jonathanzappala Жыл бұрын
@@veganpotterthevegan nobody at Leadville is using a 48x10 gear are they. They are also using hard tails not gravel bikes.
@jacklo32511 ай бұрын
The 6100 groupset with 30-46 two-by chainrings paired with 11-42 cassette, that's basically a mtb groupset from 5 years ago...
@asambatyon Жыл бұрын
And this happens one day after I order the GRX 810 groupset after holding my new build waiting for this 😕
@CONFUCIUS-f2x Жыл бұрын
Cancel the order. Quick!!! GO!!!
@smb06 Жыл бұрын
Was literally just speccing out an OBED build... may hold off now.. lol
@christophertan3195 Жыл бұрын
Tsk tsk paper hands!
@paulh8347 Жыл бұрын
Hunt don’t have Microspleen Freehub for Gravel wheels yet. Couple of months leadtime apparently. Also can’t find 175 Crank length anywhere. Plenty of 172.5.
@raulmartinez5511 Жыл бұрын
I'm totally fine with 11s.
@festerofest4374 Жыл бұрын
As a kid it was 5 speed freewheels for years, so I'm still pretty thrilled with 11!
@chriskros885811 ай бұрын
@@festerofest4374 You were lucky - I had 1x1...
@germantalash518911 ай бұрын
Interesting. Judging from this, will the following combination work together then? GRX rx610 40t crank SLX m7100 10-45t cassette SLX m7100chain XT m8130 derailleur XT m8130 shifter Looking to build a city bike. Thanks guys!
@joeldavis5881 Жыл бұрын
So I have the old GRX 1x 11-42t what would I need to change to go to the 12 speed 1x
@danbradley6962 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much everything. The chainset would probably still be fine but you’d need everything else replacing, including converting your existing wheelset to microspline (if possible)
@joeldavis5881 Жыл бұрын
@@danbradley6962 brakes will be ok I was thinking right side leaver cassette and derailer to change ( and hub ) ?
@danbradley6962 Жыл бұрын
@@joeldavis5881 forgot about brakes! They’ll definitely be fine along with your left hand lever. It might look a little different but will function perfectly
@chris1275cc Жыл бұрын
Depends on what you want to keep and how big you want to go in the back. Other manufactures do HG compatible 12 speed 11-50,51,and 52 that means you could keep your wheels/hubs but loose the 10 tooth*, Left hand lever and (likely) both brake calipers will be fine if you can find just an OEM lever for sale. Chainset should be fine and the cranks look like the same BCD so at worst it would just be a new chainring. IF (and its a big fat IF) Shimano have used the same pull ratio you might be able to use your existing rear mech with a Wolftooth link or an aftermarket cage, might seem unlikely but they do have previous for this, Tiagra 4700 and GRX 400 rear mechs work fine with 11 speed 105 and above shifters (although you wont find it on any official compatibility charts). *If you really want the 10t (or even a 9!) don't forget Srams XD and XDR has been sub 11t for a while and you might be more likely to find an XD/XDR driver for your wheelset, defiantly worth looking into and weighing up the pros/cons before you go buying wheels or having new hubs laced.
@jonathanzappala Жыл бұрын
Mentioned in none of these videos is that shimano made non microspline 11 tooth mtb cassettes
@jamesmckenzie3532 Жыл бұрын
Nice ad for Shimano. Will it be on any of my bikes? I seriously doubt it. I've had Ui2 and it had to be carefully watched due to the one battery design.
@jamesmckenzie3532 Жыл бұрын
@@TheCyclingDog I did watch the video. GRX is available in both cabled and wireless. Still, I have SRAM Apex mechanical. Mullet setup and I'm quite pleased I only need one lever. I see no need, now, for two rings on a gravel bike
@darkcrystal99911 ай бұрын
Are we expecting for the previous GRX groupsets to drop price? 😅
@krishnansrinivasan830 Жыл бұрын
Nice & Thanks :)
@justinfo-jepy355 Жыл бұрын
that rear derailer looks like the CUES. for me it looks kinda cheap than the previous model... 12speed means weaker chain?
@TundeEszlari Жыл бұрын
Magical video.
@budycelyn Жыл бұрын
i currently have 11 spd grx 2x11 it works fine for where i ride, no need for me to sell a kidney to buy these as yet, offtopic question, we have GCN, GMBN, EMBN what about GGBN? it would be more of what i'm interested in personally
@geoffr1972 Жыл бұрын
I dream of owning the personality Unaffordable 😛
@pchemski8924 Жыл бұрын
😮😢 I'm wondering if the hub needs to be replaced for a 12s cassette? because I understand that if I have a full grx800 set, I have to buy 2 handles because the ones for 12 gears are black not silver on top, rear carriage, cassette, chain and assembling the wheel with a new hub? is it worth it at all? isn't it better to upgrade 11s carriage ad put cassette with 11-50 gears? I thought shimano would give us option of upgrading 800 set not replacing all 🤯 💸💸💸
@pbandjosh Жыл бұрын
So I guess there's just two tiers, 600 and 800, and the 400 tier falls away?
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
400 was 10 speed so it wouldn't make sense to upgrade it to 12 speed (at least according to shimanos logic)
@toanchu26319 ай бұрын
Can i use durace 1x 42T crank set for grx cassette 11-42?
@elachichai8 ай бұрын
How much does 5mm crank length change things?
@ENRIQUEGOITIA Жыл бұрын
😊 Shimano running a 10 tooth kog
@meibing4912 Жыл бұрын
So will any of those wide range cassettes work with Ultagra or DuraAce Di12?
@AnotherMrLizard8 ай бұрын
No max for those mechs is probably 32t but wouldn’t get anywhere near a 51t
@Bobby-wn5yr Жыл бұрын
So long as the cassette is still compatible with, and much cheaper than sram eagle, I’m happy 🤣
@garagesale5948 Жыл бұрын
Is 12 spd GRX DI2 next?
@gcn Жыл бұрын
We'll all have to wait and see 👀
@olievans7840 Жыл бұрын
'Unbeatable, Unstoppable and Undroppable' - How is anyone meant to remember something like that!? Love the new updated components but seriously what is going on there.
@Coolchris158 Жыл бұрын
No electronics???
@JonathanHair Жыл бұрын
1X is the future. Having ridden SRAM Explr 10-44 cassette for 4k miles, it does everything. I expect to see more road bikes going this way.
@jericoaninias863 Жыл бұрын
#ASKGCNTECH Hi guys. Would it be possible to pair the new grx 12 speed levers to the shimano deore 12 speed rear mech since the new grx 1 x 12 is using the deore 12 speed cassette.
@mikemelbrooks Жыл бұрын
No it's a different pull ratio.
@jericoaninias86311 ай бұрын
Can you explain further? Then why is the new grx using the deore cassette? Is it the rear mech dictating the pull ratio?
@aux84 Жыл бұрын
Is shifter compatible (cable pull ratio) with shimano mtb x12 RDs? If not, it is a pure SCAM
@MAGAIVER Жыл бұрын
Ever since the 10 speed days road and mountain have had different cable pulls, I don't see why it'd be different now.
@AlbaTech Жыл бұрын
About time, the old 1x range was worst in class.
@MrBusunglueck Жыл бұрын
how do you make that out?
@AlbaTech Жыл бұрын
@@MrBusunglueck By comparing the gravel 1x ranges available from groupset manufacturers.
@MrBusunglueck Жыл бұрын
@@AlbaTech Ah, you meant the gearing range... I thought you meant range as in "product lineup"
@lennymclean. Жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my 1 X 8 speed thanks very much. I'll get a lot more wear for my money and the components will be cheap as chips to replace when the time comes (currently on month 16 of daily riding ~ 10 miles)
@gcn Жыл бұрын
8speed is a solid group-set! Do you find that you run out of gears though?
@matthewshultz876211 ай бұрын
@@gcn Probably not with a 3x in the front :)
@tomashojgr10 ай бұрын
I have 1×8 on gravel too. 40t and 11-40t 😊
@paultushingham6816 Жыл бұрын
Just got a 2023 Gravel bike with 11 speed GRX 810.. feel totally drained by the constant upgrades ££££ .. will that make me go any faster or improve my riding having 12 speed??? Also is there a weight limit on the wheels due to bikepacking?????
@neindanke1629 Жыл бұрын
grx 810 is great. wheel usualy are good for a system weight of 120KG. enjoy your new bike
@erlendsteren9466 Жыл бұрын
I think 12 speed with that 10 cog behind can increase descending 3% speed from 30 mph to 33 mph, allowing more power pedalling. Less descent it will not help me , because 11-40 is hard enough, more descent it will not help, because then I dont pedal anymore anyway. But I am tempted. It will convert the gravelbike to a combi- gravel-roadbike, putting the roadbike further away in my shed. The roadbike has several flaws. It cant go with fatter tyres than 26 mm, and the big cog on the cassette is only 25 teeth. And it doesnt have any suspension, and no dropperpost. Actually it is worse than gravelbike in sections of almost every journey, when the going gets rough.But it is a true pleasure going between 5% downhill and 5% uphill on good tarmac.
@user-tp5ev9iz2m5 ай бұрын
Why can’t they let us use two by with the giant cassette that’d be the ultimate set up
@XJ1345 Жыл бұрын
Ltwoo GRT 12 seems to be a strong competitor still and it was there prior so it or some other groupset should be the first gravel one. not this
@carlsberg-gs6rl Жыл бұрын
I'm glad Shimano started churning out mechanical group sets again as for a while it seems that they abandoned it for their premium lines. I have the Chinese to thank for this as Sensah and L-TWOO have really uped their game.
@rizki_tiron Жыл бұрын
Finallyyyyyyy
@ronibikecycling221 Жыл бұрын
Like as Sram Force Etap AXS
@jamesmckenzie3532 Жыл бұрын
Since I've had SRAM AXS (which is compatible with XPLR) since 2020, why should I want this? BTW, my brakes work just fine, despite it being sprayed with some sort of lube and only needing new pads and a good cleaning. Oh, the rotor is heavier grade and has a lot more wear than Shimano. BTW, this is on a gravel bike...
@billcodey1430 Жыл бұрын
Nothing makes me undroppable .
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Yet!
@andreaplaskitt2315 Жыл бұрын
shame they dont have the option of a shorter crank
@vincentjerarddelarosa1778 Жыл бұрын
shimano should update the saint and zee groupsets
@gcn Жыл бұрын
Wrong channel 😉 Maybe try GMBN
@mauroburger7043 Жыл бұрын
What shoes are those?
@brianmagee5847 Жыл бұрын
I used to love Shimano, but they have lost their way. If Shimano had made a shifter compatible with the MTB groups, we could have had this years ago. They are so busy trying to segment their market that they are pushing customers away.
@rule3036 Жыл бұрын
10-51, mmm just like MTB, I find it interesting groadies are using bikes which are essentialy using mtb tech ? Why not just get a mtb, then you can do real off road cyling.
@erlendsteren9466 Жыл бұрын
I have a nice XC mtb bought used with slightly wrong stem and hilarious wide bar. Wonder if it would be nice to swop to dropbar and Grx brake/gearhandles? If it works it will be a fantastic gravelbike. I run it with 2.2 inch tyres now which maybe is the best graveltyres possible. Fast on smooth trails, fast on gravel, and fast on tarmac.
@JollyGiant0 Жыл бұрын
Cuthbert's explanation is as clear as mud... Not because he he didn't explain it well enough, it's just the options within the different 'levels' (sorry) 'Personalities' (whatever overpaid personality came up with that at Shimano needs a personality termination) are so complicated as is the pricing.
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
ok nice but nothing revolutionary, and I feel it would have made more sense to just go with micro spline for all 12 speed (also for road, so shimano should have ditched HG already back when they introduced 12 speed ultegra and dura ace). Why keep the HG body? What does it offer compared to the micro spline? (yes backwards compatibility for old wheelsets, but now if you want to go from 1x GRX to 2x, you need new wheels or at least a new freehub body if available) With micro spline you could still keep 11-xx cassettes but also offer (narrow) 10-xx cassettes and thus make life a bit easier for those who want a shimano road 1x setup (even though shimano doesn't offer a 1x chrankset, it's still something people want)
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
Also I would really like some shorter cranks? 170, 172.5, 175, what is this nonsense? How about 155, 165, 175, would make a lot more sense.
@johnpaulgetongo735 Жыл бұрын
Now I really want to see a new version for the dh saint and zee
@mrvwbug4423 Жыл бұрын
Haha, they literally just re-branded the XT cassette and derailleur haha. which means if you REALLY want to weight weenie you can slap on the pricey and notoriously short lived XTR cassette. I do wonder if the derailleur is interchangable with the MTB mechs. Could save some money with a SLX cassette and derailleur out back, not that XT derailleurs are particularly expensive.
@serbanalexandru10410 ай бұрын
I hope the prices of 2x11 and 1x11 grx will go down.
@tonystanley978 Жыл бұрын
No obvious way to unofficially use an 11-40 cassette which was really popular with 11 speed configuration could be a problem for Shimano here. Shimano cues 2x seems to support 46-30 (and 36-22) doubles with 11-45 cassettes so it would be interesting to see if the existing mtb 12 speed 10-45 cassette would also work on GRX 12 speed 2x (and microspline hub).
@kingflynxi9420 Жыл бұрын
The 10-45 is the same
@tonyg3091 Жыл бұрын
46/30 with 45 t cassette would be absolute madness.
@ulyssemeersseman4161 Жыл бұрын
Which speed can you hold on the flat with a gravel 1x bike like this one ?
@kayy-03 Жыл бұрын
About 53 kph at 100 RPM with 40mm tires and the larger chainring option
@erlendsteren9466 Жыл бұрын
@@kayy-03 Thats because you are a lot more fit than me. I have 40 teeth in front and need 1% decline to be able to have a decent cadence for one km on 11 cog and 39 km/t. I am not strong enough to use the 10 cog without more decline or wind from behind or a helping rider that takes the wind.
@simonstucki Жыл бұрын
@@erlendsteren9466 I think that was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question
@erlendsteren9466 Жыл бұрын
@@simonstucki I Agree with you, but I tried to add some realistic experience to an answer that I think is mathematical correct, but only is valid for they who are by my standards very strong. It doesnt help to have heavy cogs if you arent strong enough to turn them around. I have this in mind when playing with the idea of changing cogs, and realize that more heavy cogs only helps me when descending light, biking in someones drag, or going with the wind.
@Bike4Coffee-Cake Жыл бұрын
For a gravel bike mostly used on the road, I reckon the 10-51T with a 46T chainring looks interesting. By my reckoning, it has the same lowest gear as the current GRX800 2x (48/31T with 11-34T cassette), but a much higher top gear - the same as a road compact setup. I don’t reckon the gaps are much bigger than the 11speed 2x either. You’d obviously have “Ultegra” on your pedals though, rather than GRX…
@Eirikkinserdal Жыл бұрын
Would rather have 11 speed di2 grx for a fraction more 😂
@keithchristner4522 Жыл бұрын
Mountain bikers to roadies getting into gravel riding and just discovering 1x's; YOU'RE WELCOME! 🤣🤣
@ianthedondaws7559 Жыл бұрын
Release dates please 🙏
@jasonnorman6804 Жыл бұрын
It's available now, sigma sports have it in stock
@lrh819711 ай бұрын
Idk who needs to hear this, but you can run an 11 speed deore 11-51 cassette with the old grx 🤷♂️
@jwbaker11 ай бұрын
You can mix and match a bunch of random MTB junk out back with a GRX cockpit. You can use the 10-speed derailleurs on an 11-speed rig too.
@grvl307 Жыл бұрын
My SRAM XX1/force axs mullet setup is the same price. And lighter... 🤔
@chuckyfox9284 Жыл бұрын
This is really gonna need to come down in price to be competetive. If you get levers, crank, cassette, and rear mech for a 1by setup rival xplr is about 50g lighter and over 300€ cheaper. With the extra money could get a red crank instead of the rival, be 300g lighter, and still spend less.
@StornofuerKasse3 Жыл бұрын
1200$ for a 1x12. Are they kidding? You can get some decent 1x12 from L-TWOO for around 340$. Yes without cassette, crank and chain. But these parts never add up to almost 900$ even if you would think about taking the supidly high priced parts from SRAM. The 105 mechanical is "reasonably" priced. This is just nuts.
@scherzo0o Жыл бұрын
Not a single word about how it shifts, how it is like to set it up, how does it feel under load. Wtf is this, just a video vetsion of the press release?
@ramoncalvobaron331611 ай бұрын
Quite expensive for a mechanical groupset. I dont know how shimano will cope with competitors EKAR 13speed for 1200€ or sram rival XLPR for 1000€. Seems shimano is trying to keep up deseperately. I always find shimano good in terms of quality price but defenetly not this time.
@oeylille Жыл бұрын
My brain can't process the compatibility matrix
@Paulklampeeps Жыл бұрын
Shimano keep recycling their 12 speed deore rd😂 it's the same with the shimano cues
@jakubbejger49452 ай бұрын
It was great. Past 400km deraileur gets loose. Its useless, warranty case :(
@604idan Жыл бұрын
Why, why start using the microspline freehub body… fucking brutal
@JogieGlenMait1610 ай бұрын
i'd take the 2x all day.
@cdeluise Жыл бұрын
I want a Di2 version Shimano!
@tonyg3091 Жыл бұрын
I want to see a Di2 version with a 2x setup that can take 42t cassette. 40t to 45 cassette unbeatable? Unbeatable-my ass. My 2x GRX with 46/30 chainrings and 40t cassette has WAY better range. Even 40 to 51 cassette can´t beat 30-40
@RyonBeachner Жыл бұрын
Whoever at Orbea chose the logo and frame colors for this model should be fired immediately. Jesus, have they never heard of contrast?
@The2808erik Жыл бұрын
Probably still more expensive than an rival/ eagle axs mullet mix lmao.
@h4rdcor31 Жыл бұрын
Apex AXS is only $70 more than the new 610. 820 will probably be close to a mullet, but SRAM is very proud of eagle. Benefit of AXS is you can do what ever the hell you want and mix it up.