2x 48/31 11/34 .... di2 if is ever released.

11 speed grx....gonna be so much cheaper now. ;)

Double chainset as I race gravel

Wish they allowed for a proper 1x mullet dropping the chainring down to 32-36. 40t is waaaay too much for bikepacking. Even the pros have a 20 gear inch granny.

I would like 42 in front and 10-51 behind with 44 mm graveltyres. 40 + 11-42 is what I have and it is covering everything important, but I could be happy with one more gear in both ends. 40- 42 is average 7,5 km/t when going as easy as I can in long (30 minute)8% climbs.

Sick video for a sick groupset 🤙

You bet! Will you be picking this groupset up yourself?

@@gcn it's already available in Germany .... but the price!!! 😱

You bet you did! We love mechanical. The tech channel have gone made for the cables too 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibd2hdB4yrG2ep8.html

Nahhhh you Can't beat a 90s 7x3

What do you think makes for a proper gravel groupset?

@@iwearLingerie IMO multiple chainrings are too complicated nowadays. removing a component (FD) makes things simpler. less moving partrs.

@@gcn Simplicity (1by mechanical), range (11-50) and breaking power.

@@LLeoBan I wouldn’t touch a 1x gravel setup with a 10ft pole, jus sayin…

Wait until they release the GRX flat bar shifter which is of course WAY different from a MTB shifter because it‘s infused with THE SPIRIT OF GRAVEL.

@@chrisridesbicycles 🤣🤣🤣

@@chrisridesbicyclesermagherd, grervell 😂

Hahaha a mountain what? 🤔

@@gcn 🤣

This is where I'm at too, SRAM braking is just crap compared to Shimano.

Gearboxes are the way to go if you want to ride your bike instead of maintaining it.

2x11 is perfect for gravel

same as 11 speed, I really wish they would make a 155mm or at least 160mm

That dreamy range! 🙌

The RX600 cranks start at 165.

rotor aldhu come in 155 with 24mm axle

You can go third party for shorter cranks but they are either hella more expensive nad good or downright crap.

​@@jasonnorman6804Yeah and they couldn't do it with the 820?

and here i was hoping for 160mm cranks. don't i feel silly

Also die 11 fach grx war auf jeden fall zur 11 fach 105 kompatibel. Wird sicher bei der 12fach genau so sein

Part of me doesn't particularly care if the new GRX one supports a 51T cassette. :)

Ahh another mullet fan, high five! 😉

Grx Shifter have pull ratios that don't match MTB RD

@@matt.3.14 You could save a decent bit of change if it was tho.

Bold of you to assume any level of cross compatibility lol... I've heard that the brakes are the same from last gen.

@@matthewshultz8762 Yeah I presume the fact they describe the new levers as being designed for flared bars, but no previous mention on the 11 speed means I'd have to cough up an extra £250 (or whatever it is) for a new left hand dropper lever I don't really need, just to match a new right.

Same. If they had a 2x 11-46 option I might've considered upgrading, but I'm rocking an 810 11-40 and not tempted at all.

thanks for letting us know :)

11s GRX w/9/34 cassette works fine, then becomes another cycling footnote.

Still a great groupset! Do you see yourself ever making the jump to 12spd? ⚙

Only on my "dark side" bike@@gcn

For that specific setup, you would need wheels/hub with Microspline freehub support. Your existing road wheels most likely came with a HG freehub. But other than that, you shouldn't have any issues with converting a road bike to a 10-45 1x setup.

@@kekkonenprkl was already considering that. Hopefully manufacturers get out the freehubs soon. But a new wheelset would be nice anyway 😉

Probably nothing more than a disapproving look from Shimano

48t chainring and 10-45 cassette makes absolutely no sense. Not fast enough on the flats and not low enough gearing for the climbs.

I have 11speed GRX 1x on my road bike (with a 11-46 garbaruk cassette and a garbaruk derailleur cage to make the it work with 11-46 (actually even 11-52 would be possible) work), the only problem is that the chainline is a bit wider and the Q-factor is also wider, I switched to a rotor road crankset and now the chainline and Q-factor are back to road standards. It's a nice setup, but if I would build a road bike again now, I'd probably go 2x Di2, sometimes I would like to have a bit smaller gaps between the gears, and the Di2 Shifters just looks so much nicer.

Electronic is not a thing off-road? 😂😂😂😂 SRAM AXS anyone?

When I was buying my latest mountain bike (2nd hand), I originally wanted Sram AXS electronic shifting. In the end I found a good value bike equipped with Shimano XTR M9100 and honestly, the groupset is so well made and refined it really doesn't need to be electric. For riding on road, the shifter might feel a little too stiff as you are shifting a lot because of the jumps between the gears, but I can't notice any flaw off-road. I guess with the STI levers this only 'complaint' would be also eliminated. The Hyperglide+ is just that good if you have a high end lever (on the MTB side XT at least, SLX is way too clumsy and the feel is nowhere near as good).

@@tonyg3091 I don‘t know anybody who has AXS on a MTB.

I'd say they've delayed the di2 update so they can have another product launch in the future..

I was surprised about that, too. Normally, they did GBP/EUR/USD in their past videos, didn't they?

I have serious doubts the derailleur could handle that. Your best option is probably a mountain crankset and the 2x friendly cassette. Or go 1x with a 36t chainring and something like the e*thirteen 9-50 cassette

also you would have a lot of overlapping gears!

A 31x51 is 4 mph at 83 rpm. I’d question why you want to go that slow. That’s get off and walk speed. If you wanted to go that slow why would you want a gear bigger than 50x11 to go along with it?

@jonathanzappala people climb Powerline at leadville slower than that which is still faster than walking. If you hop off your bike on a climb, the terrain doesn't become flat😉 Walking a 15min mile pushing your bike up a +20% grade isn't happening.

@@veganpotterthevegan nobody at Leadville is using a 48x10 gear are they. They are also using hard tails not gravel bikes.

Cancel the order. Quick!!! GO!!!

Was literally just speccing out an OBED build... may hold off now.. lol

Tsk tsk paper hands!

As a kid it was 5 speed freewheels for years, so I'm still pretty thrilled with 11!

@@festerofest4374 You were lucky - I had 1x1...

Pretty much everything. The chainset would probably still be fine but you’d need everything else replacing, including converting your existing wheelset to microspline (if possible)

@@danbradley6962 brakes will be ok I was thinking right side leaver cassette and derailer to change ( and hub ) ?

@@joeldavis5881 forgot about brakes! They’ll definitely be fine along with your left hand lever. It might look a little different but will function perfectly

Depends on what you want to keep and how big you want to go in the back. Other manufactures do HG compatible 12 speed 11-50,51,and 52 that means you could keep your wheels/hubs but loose the 10 tooth*, Left hand lever and (likely) both brake calipers will be fine if you can find just an OEM lever for sale. Chainset should be fine and the cranks look like the same BCD so at worst it would just be a new chainring. IF (and its a big fat IF) Shimano have used the same pull ratio you might be able to use your existing rear mech with a Wolftooth link or an aftermarket cage, might seem unlikely but they do have previous for this, Tiagra 4700 and GRX 400 rear mechs work fine with 11 speed 105 and above shifters (although you wont find it on any official compatibility charts). *If you really want the 10t (or even a 9!) don't forget Srams XD and XDR has been sub 11t for a while and you might be more likely to find an XD/XDR driver for your wheelset, defiantly worth looking into and weighing up the pros/cons before you go buying wheels or having new hubs laced.

@@TheCyclingDog I did watch the video. GRX is available in both cabled and wireless. Still, I have SRAM Apex mechanical. Mullet setup and I'm quite pleased I only need one lever. I see no need, now, for two rings on a gravel bike

400 was 10 speed so it wouldn't make sense to upgrade it to 12 speed (at least according to shimanos logic)

No max for those mechs is probably 32t but wouldn’t get anywhere near a 51t

We'll all have to wait and see 👀

No it's a different pull ratio.

Can you explain further? Then why is the new grx using the deore cassette? Is it the rear mech dictating the pull ratio?

Ever since the 10 speed days road and mountain have had different cable pulls, I don't see why it'd be different now.

how do you make that out?

@@MrBusunglueck By comparing the gravel 1x ranges available from groupset manufacturers.

@@AlbaTech Ah, you meant the gearing range... I thought you meant range as in "product lineup"

8speed is a solid group-set! Do you find that you run out of gears though?

@@gcn Probably not with a 3x in the front :)

I have 1×8 on gravel too. 40t and 11-40t 😊

grx 810 is great. wheel usualy are good for a system weight of 120KG. enjoy your new bike

I think 12 speed with that 10 cog behind can increase descending 3% speed from 30 mph to 33 mph, allowing more power pedalling. Less descent it will not help me , because 11-40 is hard enough, more descent it will not help, because then I dont pedal anymore anyway. But I am tempted. It will convert the gravelbike to a combi- gravel-roadbike, putting the roadbike further away in my shed. The roadbike has several flaws. It cant go with fatter tyres than 26 mm, and the big cog on the cassette is only 25 teeth. And it doesnt have any suspension, and no dropperpost. Actually it is worse than gravelbike in sections of almost every journey, when the going gets rough.But it is a true pleasure going between 5% downhill and 5% uphill on good tarmac.

I'm glad Shimano started churning out mechanical group sets again as for a while it seems that they abandoned it for their premium lines. I have the Chinese to thank for this as Sensah and L-TWOO have really uped their game.

Since I've had SRAM AXS (which is compatible with XPLR) since 2020, why should I want this? BTW, my brakes work just fine, despite it being sprayed with some sort of lube and only needing new pads and a good cleaning. Oh, the rotor is heavier grade and has a lot more wear than Shimano. BTW, this is on a gravel bike...

Yet!

Wrong channel 😉 Maybe try GMBN

I have a nice XC mtb bought used with slightly wrong stem and hilarious wide bar. Wonder if it would be nice to swop to dropbar and Grx brake/gearhandles? If it works it will be a fantastic gravelbike. I run it with 2.2 inch tyres now which maybe is the best graveltyres possible. Fast on smooth trails, fast on gravel, and fast on tarmac.

Also I would really like some shorter cranks? 170, 172.5, 175, what is this nonsense? How about 155, 165, 175, would make a lot more sense.

The 10-45 is the same

46/30 with 45 t cassette would be absolute madness.

About 53 kph at 100 RPM with 40mm tires and the larger chainring option

@@kayy-03 Thats because you are a lot more fit than me. I have 40 teeth in front and need 1% decline to be able to have a decent cadence for one km on 11 cog and 39 km/t. I am not strong enough to use the 10 cog without more decline or wind from behind or a helping rider that takes the wind.

@@erlendsteren9466 I think that was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question

@@simonstucki I Agree with you, but I tried to add some realistic experience to an answer that I think is mathematical correct, but only is valid for they who are by my standards very strong. It doesnt help to have heavy cogs if you arent strong enough to turn them around. I have this in mind when playing with the idea of changing cogs, and realize that more heavy cogs only helps me when descending light, biking in someones drag, or going with the wind.

For a gravel bike mostly used on the road, I reckon the 10-51T with a 46T chainring looks interesting. By my reckoning, it has the same lowest gear as the current GRX800 2x (48/31T with 11-34T cassette), but a much higher top gear - the same as a road compact setup. I don’t reckon the gaps are much bigger than the 11speed 2x either. You’d obviously have “Ultegra” on your pedals though, rather than GRX…

It's available now, sigma sports have it in stock

You can mix and match a bunch of random MTB junk out back with a GRX cockpit. You can use the 10-speed derailleurs on an 11-speed rig too.

Apex AXS is only $70 more than the new 610. 820 will probably be close to a mullet, but SRAM is very proud of eagle. Benefit of AXS is you can do what ever the hell you want and mix it up.