Square Grinding Tutorial! How to Sharpen Chain with a Simington 451c

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In this video Big Phil shows us the basic fundamentals of square grinding chain. Grinding chain just like filing chain is a science and an art and takes a long time to master. This video is a just a basic tutorial of square grinding.
Please wear the proper PPE when grinding chain.
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@jeddwalters1986 4 жыл бұрын

Man. Super cool to finally get to watch this, Jake... I gotta watch er again. GIGANTICALLY impressed by big Phil. Experience matters... in other words... what Phil said!

@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jed!

@revvvrand 4 жыл бұрын

Legend material

@jeddwalters1986 4 жыл бұрын

@@revvvrand 😂

@helgerysland226 3 жыл бұрын

Cool shop 🤘, been taking to Gordy in Instagram, really Nice guy😊.

@ToreDL87 3 жыл бұрын

@@GreatLakesLogger Yeah the double bevel file is larger, sturdier and easier to use, I'd go for that when field-dressing a chisel chain.

@Bob_Adkins 3 жыл бұрын

Phil is an "optimizer", meaning that whatever he does, he will study it in the most minute detail and work out the best way to do it. When he first came on camera, I thought he appeared surprised about something, then I realized he had a chew under his lip. That always makes people look surprised for some reason. A++ for Phil as a teacher and truly an expert at his trade.

@garybatch4102 2 жыл бұрын

Big Phil is a chainsaw chain genius! I very much like the dichotomy between "the most OSHA-violating method" to grind out unwanted gullets vs. "wear your safety glasses" - couldn't agree more.

@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny 4 жыл бұрын

This is truly excellent. Big Phil should have his own yt chan, he really knows what he's talking about and he seems to be such a nice guy.

@joshanacker6222 4 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. Being in California I use www.baileysonline.com for most of my needs. But I also recently found Frawleys saw shop @ loggerchain.net The website is not the easiest to use but I have been very impressed with the customer service and speed of the free shipping. Both companies sell the triangle (six sided file) Thanks for the great content and keep up the good work!

@khisnuaziz9821 4 жыл бұрын

@@joshanacker6222 l ya HH Iiiiiiiknj‼️😘☹️😢☹️

@SpiritOfDivineLight 2 жыл бұрын

He's also an absolute hotty to match his genuine heart! What a beauty! 🙈🤩 Hook a sister up! Haha 😜

@AnxiousTrap Жыл бұрын

@@SpiritOfDivineLight 🤨He has a wife...

@SpiritOfDivineLight Жыл бұрын

@@AnxiousTrap How am I supposed to know that from watching this video!? There is a huge value which i pride myself in and that is that I will never be a home wrecker!

@billhackley3540 2 жыл бұрын

amazed at the lack of likes, retired from logging 4 years ago (almost 40 years at it) Phil has an excellent knowledge of chain performance

@spoonz1065 4 жыл бұрын

When someone says "timber cutter" big phil in that shirt is imprinted what I think of. Same as lumberjacks in a cheque red shirt :D

@05xlt 3 жыл бұрын

“Down to the gnats ass” lol. Nothing better than a guy with a bunch of good expressions! Phil is awesome!

@JonHammond81 4 жыл бұрын

Phil is a great teacher.

@MrSGL21 3 жыл бұрын

yeah he is. he's articulate and reasonably educated with a good vocabulary. he takes the time to explain the how and the why at each step.

@New.Adventures.Sailing 3 жыл бұрын

One thing I've noticed watching this series with Jed and Phil is these guys are geniuses, they understand what's really going on here, in depth like no one I've seen. On the surface, you could dismiss them as "just a logger" but then you miss out on the pure wisdom and understanding these guys hold. True with anyone in the world, can't look at the outside, each person has depth in certain areas, you gotta dig. Keep it up. One more idea, it would be cool to get a closeup and super slo-mo on the chain cutting with the square vs round cuts so we can see what they are talking about.

@geriatricginger 3 жыл бұрын

Dude's a helluva teacher! He not only teaches the 'how', but emphasizes the 'why'..

@matiasarieltorres 4 жыл бұрын

It´s always great when you hear a person that know what he is talking about.

@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a bunch!

@Robbie..Ha-Navi 3 жыл бұрын

sorry @@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792 I think he was talking about Big Phil . DWL

@d3700 Жыл бұрын

Phil is a master craftsman. It's not about sharpening a chain. It's about making it even sharper. It's the "why" and the "what if". Unlike many "experts" that tell you how good they are, Phil doesn't need to do that. He is good and he knows it.

@larryolson397 4 жыл бұрын

Big Phil is a massive book of knowledge. Needs to put his own stuff out there. Love this channel, boys.

@deesestrees 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent. I thought I was ready for one of the square grinders! Now I can buy one, and send it straight to big Phil with a note “I apologize for thinking I could do this, please forgive me.” Seriously though my favorite video yet.

@Comp670 4 жыл бұрын

Perfect timing for this! I just scored a Simington grinder off craigslist a few weeks ago. Ground a few chains just playing with it and wow do they cut better but I for sure have a ton to learn and this vid helps ALOT. Its an older model that does not have all the adjustments the newer ones do but for me it will work fine. Never planned on getting into saws this deep but I bought a Woodmizer hyd sawmill and a Wolferidge commercial splitter and now I'm cutting wood most days so learning this stuff is a huge help. Bought a muffler from West Coast saw too and it helped alot. Thanks for all the info!! Need to come down to West Coast Saw and get a few more mufflers for my other saws soon. I'm just up on Camano Island.

@michaeldougfir9807 4 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed every bit of this video. And I have run square-ground chain. So this was very interesting. I am not an electric grinder guy. I use those nifty little things that Husqvarna and Jonsered sell. The ones with two rollers. For me it is the best sharpening job I have ever got. And I have been doing this and other chain saw work since the 1980s. And I also DO use the depth gauge guide. It's a tool for your benefit. I like what he said about filing the depth gauges first. At least he had good logic. This video was SO good I sent it to my brother. Thanks very much. Michael Dougfir.

@julesthemachinist893 4 жыл бұрын

At 17:08 Phil explains the damage on the sharpend corner with the depth gauge ! Thank you ! I have always thought the same thing ! You guys are awsome ! 🪓 🪓🔥

@1d1hamby 4 жыл бұрын

The blank stare @4:12 was hilarious. 😂

@Jess88176 3 жыл бұрын

Totally looked like a Sasquatch caught crossing the trail

@donetteshonna2906 3 жыл бұрын

I love how he points out the way you start using the saw without it warming up first. We all know how bad it is and yet we all do it.

@michpatriot9097 2 жыл бұрын

Not all of us..I don't spool mine up cold ever.. I idle it until I can't hold my fingers on the cylinder fins..then its warm and ready.

@timrunkle5636 2 жыл бұрын

Not me! But I see many do it all the time, and it is totally foolish and willful neglect in my opinion. Any good mechanic knows and will tell you to "warm your car up" EVEN! in the summer heat for at least 2-3 minutes, TO:-- properly circulate the engine oil lying "cold" in the bottom of the "drip pan". MUCH LESS IN THE COLD WINTERTIME!- 5 MINUTES IDLING TIME IS RECOMMENDED FOR PEAK ENGINE PROTECTION*** Does anybody do that?? Very FEW! THEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT ENGINE ISSUES AND "WARRANTIES" YES, HUMAN BEINGS ARE IMPATIENT AND LAZY BY NATURE......

@BurkeCN74 3 жыл бұрын

I sharpen knives, the dude knows his shit. I'll take a full flat grind over a hollow grind any day. I don't know dick about chainsaws...I live on a goddamn boat! the two don't mix! But I still found this very fun and interesting. It's cool to hear about the fine points of someone else's craft.

@woodpurposedmechanic8299 3 жыл бұрын

New to your channel and not sure how I found it. I'm not a timber guy at all. Your videos are very well edited, your content is well organized and you have a great camera presence. Right now I know way more about chainsaws and tree trimming than I'll ever need. My retirement hobby has been woodworking and I use a lot of old school hand tools like planes and chisels. I learned as a woodworker that when you lean how to sharpen tools your life completely changes. So many of the same principles that apply to old school hand tools like angles and edges apply to chainsaw teeth as well.

@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

@shawn1479 4 жыл бұрын

Please ask Phil to make a video of that 10 dollar part shaping the stone. Love to see him set that angle.

@ToreDL87 3 жыл бұрын

Well it probably doesn't set the angle EXACTLY, but gets it close enough that he's not wearing out 30 diamonds cutters just rough shaping it.

@oldyankeespeedco 3 жыл бұрын

Listening to Big Phil talk about saws is like listening to Max Schaaf talk about motorcycles.. 🙌🏽

@ryanstewart1521 Жыл бұрын

Gordys shop is my dream home, and Phil is a great teacher. This vid. really captivated my attention. Loggers are some of the nicest most humble people you will ever meet.

@1d1hamby 4 жыл бұрын

I have heard so many ways of adjusting rakers. Some use two teeth to adjust the height, the way he did, and some use only the one cutter. Some use the angle of the tooth to the raker and some the actual height of the raker to the working corner. There are probably more. You could do a whole series of videos on just the rakers and how the different ways of adjusting them works in the wood and in the field. Not to mention shaping the rakers or their names.

@TheMatthewKline 3 жыл бұрын

Dang man. Need a guy like Phil down the street. Gonna have to watch this multiple times to get all the knowledge

@TheRoamingLions 3 жыл бұрын

You’re my hero man. You’re super humble and never talk down to anyone. And for that reason I’m gonna subscribe and continue to watch all your stuff. Also love the self deprecation.

@mountainman9024 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video guys !! Many people think I'm nuts when I say a stock chain cuts like a bag of spuds . Till they see me working and how productive I can be over a day . I even square file my climbing saw too. Leaves a nice cut when pruneing. I only hand file but funnily enough I sharpen pretty close the same angles as Phil . He's a wealth of knowledge great to have people like that around!

@jeffreyrubish347 4 жыл бұрын

This is a lot more complicated than I realized. Thanks for the tutorial.

@jamieryksen7846 4 жыл бұрын

What I just learned here, they wouldn’t even teach you in college lol. Thank you that’s excellent

@DaveyBlue32 3 жыл бұрын

Just wanna say “awesome job there fellas!”... I never run my flat files over my rake gauge... I just use it to gauge the height and pick it up as I go... keeps it true for a very long time. Big Phil is all business there in the end on the 660??? I but the old boys that were running off at the gums and started that tussle...had thought that they caught a grizzly bear.... Phil’s a lanky fella but you can tell from the way he cuts with the big saw that’s he’s strong as an ox! Another fantastically funny and super informative video....man! O...you’re an arborist....sorry, I don’t sell electric saw’s!” Is totally hilarious!!!!😂😂😂😂✋😊

@bobbelsekwol 3 жыл бұрын

Just a master of the chain, that's all. All it takes is years of dedicated learning and experience. I'm in awe of his knowledge.

@Trump985 3 жыл бұрын

I had no idea about any of this. I always ran the chain out of the box and sharpened it with a round file and filed the rakers after sharpening this is great information thanks for the video👍

@victor-emmanuel7485 4 жыл бұрын

Been following Phil on instagram for a long long time now... great to see him on here. What a cool character 👍

@amishmafialancasteramos6382 3 жыл бұрын

Just amazed at the knowledge needed. So much more complicated than I thought. That's a lot of information for a new guy.

@Robbie..Ha-Navi 3 жыл бұрын

THIS IS MY FAVORITE VIDEO. Big Phil is way to cool

@andyadams1832 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jake and Phil, thank u for this video on sharpening chains, I really enjoyed it and got a lot from it . Phil took his time to explain each step in the process which was very helpful to me. Hope u can do more. Andy

@bradhartmeister2717 2 жыл бұрын

Look up "guilty of treason" hake has a new channel he is no longer at Eastside

@BenC20B 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video. I’ve been hoping you would do a follow up on the square filing since the video with Jed. Love what you guys do. Keep up the great work.

@TomOpEigenHoutje 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this lots of great info

@revo7721 2 жыл бұрын

Big Phil doesn’t have to act like a badass cause he is a badass! Great info!

@bigjethro1975 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you to you and your friends for the information you are putting out. Learning a lot more than what I thought I knew about saws, chains and sharpening.

@JG54206 3 жыл бұрын

Just wanna say I love your channel. I’m not a tree guy or timber cutter, in an east coast firewood user and I like chainsaws. Your channel is awesome and very informative. Would love a video of your saw use technique, things like making sure your bar is level and on a good plane, making sure vote cuts or back cuts are nice and level. I know technique is something that one develops on their own but I would just like some pointers on making sure your cuts are how you want them

@DrHavok1 4 жыл бұрын

LMFAO when you did the first cut all the joking and poking was hilarious

@robertshoemaker6204 Жыл бұрын

So right Madsen's is old school...talk to real person and done with paperwork...that's why I try to do all my logging purchases through them. Great video...thank you Phil....Shoe

@getbackorbekilledsawmill8916 2 жыл бұрын

Bout the best overall video on square grinding chain I've found . Thanks fellas. I just got myself one of them grinders and definitely needed some help in getting it setup. Sharpened some chains and let me tell you they definitely sling the chips! Take care!

@1d1hamby 4 жыл бұрын

Even got a great lesson in dressing grinding wheels. There are many videos that are done on different materials and ways of dressing grinding wheels. I personally like a harder or finer grinding wheel. You even get a lesson on starting a grinding wheel.

@dukeflem 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That was an outstanding explanation. I have three grinders but I have never done square grinding.

@chriselectric1116 4 жыл бұрын

yep, phil needs a channel too, i never new someone could be SO knowledgeable on grinding chain, i have a new found respect for all this stuff now, this video is so cool THE BEST MAN,. THANKS....

@dogleg6669 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to see a video again. This was a good one 👍

@jeffprosser7856 3 жыл бұрын

Man, i've been waiting for a good explanation on square cut. Thank you!

@tazblink 3 жыл бұрын

I would have liked to see Phil make the adjustments on the grinder to keep from nicking the lower drive link. That fine tuning of the machine to get the sharp angles correct and not nick the lower links would be very valuable to someone new to power grinding squire cut chain. I remember Jed said as you hand "sharpen grind" you want to just nick that lower part also, so is it possible to power grind squire cut without touching the lower link? Anyway wonderful video thanks so much for sharing I really enjoyed it.

@jeffreychreston7604 3 ай бұрын

Watch the last segment where they talk about gullet removal. You can see the chain he uses with the large gullet to be removed does not have the grinding wheel strikes in the chain chassis. So it can be done, I just don't know how with that grinder set up they are using.... I too would like Phil walk us through the set up. Seems like a flat segmented chain holder might be the ticket?

@kevinklingner3098 3 жыл бұрын

That was the best tutorial I have ever listen ed to on chain sharpening and sharpener s.Defineately a must.

@shanek6582 4 жыл бұрын

My neighbor had 8 “old” chains he gave me and they actually fit my big stihl with 20” bar, he used to have a saw and when the blade got dull he just bought a new one lol. I took them to the saw shop and got them all sharpened. For $40 I got 8 almost new chains! (Probably not a big saw compared to what you guys use.

@Rankedl 4 жыл бұрын

Man thank you for the videos on the filing, although I might not get a grinder im gonna try to square file a chain by hand and try to have my dad compare it with how he normally files his chains and hopefully teach him so that it will overall be more efficient when he’s cutting trees

@JustSendItSaws 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Jake! Thanks to Big Phil for his time and expertise as well!

@joshpomponio2993 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid helps a lot just started hand filing square chain really like way it cuts an it sims to stay sharper long than round think I’m gettin it figured out some lot more goin on there than u think thanks for vid an thank Phil he has a lot of good knowledge

@Builtbybross 3 жыл бұрын

This video helps out a lot, I have this same grinder and Phil really helped explain the how and why.

@kcender3771 2 жыл бұрын

This is the BEST grind video I have ever seen. Thank you!

@robertshoemaker6204 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome that you, have a Simington Chisel grinder...haven't used much cuz didn't know how to set up....I hand file most my chain....killer looking shop...thank you

@scavuman 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent Presentation, very well explained, and demonstrated !

@scruffy6151 4 жыл бұрын

Good information thank you. I always filed the rakers and shapen a new chain when i was cutting.

@PoplarMechanic 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the helpful video, gave me some great tips on getting started, I just bought simington chain grinder.

@howarddavidiii6171 Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for showing us how this is done. Hats off to both of you great questions and explanations. Very informative.

@deliverybryan1138 Жыл бұрын

Madsen's is my favorite saw shop ! When I go visit them we talk good things about you and Gordy !

@steppoffaith8426 3 жыл бұрын

This is the first person other than me that knows exactly what and why he does things!! I can tune a chain to any situation,tree species, saw size to get top cutting performance!!!! He is dead on!!!!! All these big You Tubers, Buckin, Cottontop, Ironhorse,that think or assume they are factual are cluless!!!!

@JimTheHunt 3 жыл бұрын

Phil is a stud... You can tell he has been there and done it.

@bunger6027 3 жыл бұрын

That was cool never heard of the square cut before and that was amazing the difference it made

@johnbowen2963 4 жыл бұрын

BIG PHIL TALKS ALOT OF SENCE AND EXPLANES WELL ,

@JDanielsOffGrid 3 жыл бұрын

Phil is an excellent teacher. Good show.

@Dibelchii300 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a fellow wood butcher from Northern Arizona and a huge fan of your channel. I've enjoyed and learned alot from watching your videos. Keep them coming and check you later.

@mikecook2714 Жыл бұрын

Phil did a wonderful job!

@jbnavynuke1 Жыл бұрын

As someone who has done extensive dressing, I would highly recommend a micrometer on the dresser. Just makes it a little quicker. Make contact then take maybe half a thousandth at a time off the stone, until you have a uniform sound when you run the dresser across the stone.

@RodneySizemore-uf4yu Ай бұрын

Answered all my questions, thanks for the great content fellas, keep it up...

@bucksnortbumblefuk6872 Жыл бұрын

A pro tip I didn't hear them say is cleaning the chain. I have been sharpening, grinding chains for years now and the 1st, well 2nd thing I do is I clean the chain. The oil will plug up the stone preventing it from removing material as it was designed to. A oil impregnated stone will grind a lot hotter, it will gull the steel instead of removing it.

@bucksnortbumblefuk6872 Жыл бұрын

The 1st thing I do is look and see if it's even worth my time. If it's worth saving.

@jamesmooney5348 2 жыл бұрын

Big Phil don't need reading glasses to see the corner- nice

@jakemorton521 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is really frickin knowledgeable. Hollllllyyyyy! Great Video! Learned alot

@MikeDPlxztc 4 жыл бұрын

I started watching and I was like I just want to know how to file down my crappy little chainsaw and then I watched the whole freaking video😂 watch out for tree-huggers guys❄️🤛

@normfergus8472 3 жыл бұрын

He is eloquent and appears extremely knowledgable

@coolestguyontheplanet723 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil & gordy

@tofadeisastart 4 жыл бұрын

And now I feel like a jackass sharpening my chain on my 455 rancher. I’m surprised it cuts at all after watching this lol

@shanedunn7475 3 жыл бұрын

You square grind a 60 cc saw?

@stevesedgwick5789 3 жыл бұрын

Very comprehensive advice and instruction.

@bustinya2240 3 жыл бұрын

Always good stuff. Your vids are fun to watch.

@Tundra21dc1 Жыл бұрын

Truly an art! Very interesting

@seaturkey5608 4 жыл бұрын

They sell a square ground factory chain. Personally find it easier to follow a line thats already there

@Bret4207 3 жыл бұрын

That is the cleanest garage/saw shop I've ever seen. Antiseptic is the word that comes to mind! I was interested in what a square grind was glad I watched. Wonder how it holds up in eastern hardwoods like Hard Maple and Iron Wood?

@jakobffrechette7336 4 жыл бұрын

Hi I am 13 and my Neighbor has a tree service and I go with him a lot and I learned a ton from him you are just like him I love you vids keep it up

@joeantolak4629 7 ай бұрын

“Just like a dirt bike” knew that guy is cool

@brianquigley7336 3 жыл бұрын

Been cuttin for 45 years. Gotta Silvey Pro Sharp about 25 years ago. Does a great job. Luv it. Also have the Silvey raker grinder. Don't even screw with round grind. But, you gotta be in clean wood.

@3bikesfly 4 жыл бұрын

I do some milling and I use square ground chain, hands down a better grind smoother cut left behind and I have never timed the difference but it feels about one third faster. I use a granberg file guide for touching up the chain on site, there is a video on KZfaq showing how to set it up.

@1d1hamby 4 жыл бұрын

Barkbox sounds great. 👍

@roberthaslup9556 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is so full of knowledge

@michaeltaylor6302 4 жыл бұрын

Hey treeson new to your chanel love the content always puts a smile on my face to see some one who love the work he dos stay safe treeson and god bless

@oby-1607 3 жыл бұрын

Big Phil sure knows how to sharpen a saw chain. Not too many science it out like he does.

@t.r.766 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got $3,000. Hearing aids cause I did like the logger in my youth. Good to see you wearing your helmet and muffs..Loved it when he said your just taking a Nats as* off..My Stihl bench grinder has been in service for 50 years i use a carborundum blade they are not cheep but last and sharpen much longer. You just need the different wheel sizes for the 404 chain and the 50 gauge. I got an 070AV that Phil might 👍

@DaveyBlue32 2 жыл бұрын

Big Phil was awesome!!!