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KDH

KDH

Жыл бұрын

So the digitech Bad Monkey prices went up..
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@2octavesdown
@2octavesdown Жыл бұрын
Josh Scott: you can get a great overdrive tone without spending a ton of money flippers: not anymore 😉
@mrcoatsworth429
@mrcoatsworth429 Жыл бұрын
Well, you still can, obviously. Instead of the bad monkey, you can buy another affordable pedal that sounds exactly the same.
@-jank-willson
@-jank-willson Жыл бұрын
@@mrcoatsworth429 I bought a Wish Klone for 34$ last month, and it is great!
@countzero5150
@countzero5150 Жыл бұрын
​@@mrcoatsworth429 exactly, there are loads of good overdrive pedals out there. Most of them are identical circuits. But they're not boutique so gear snobs turn their nose up at them.
@admiralrng6506
@admiralrng6506 Жыл бұрын
boss super overdrives are pretty cheap rn don't tell Josh :v
@davidburke2132
@davidburke2132 Жыл бұрын
Frankly, as KDH points out, it’s really not flippers who are the origin of this problem. It’s stupid guitarists who chase the tone of people they respect through trying to acquire the exact same gear rather than, as Josh pointed out, “listening with their ears”. Without this guitarist stupidity there would be no market for flippers in the first place.
@thegougler
@thegougler Жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Josh. He obviously loves pedals and every time he tries to share history or point out cool cheaper options, it blows up on him. People suck.
@Ottophil
@Ottophil Жыл бұрын
He knows what hes doing. When he releases limted run pedals they sell like hot cakes. People listening to him is wonderful for business. He might not be directly profiting from the bad monkey, it is proving how much he influences the sheep that havent spent decades hunting their own tone
@thegougler
@thegougler Жыл бұрын
@@Ottophil I don't think he wants the price hikes to be happening. I think he truly does want to show people awesome cheaper options. He would not have amassed the neurotic collection he did without a huge love for the hoby.
@WisdomVendor1
@WisdomVendor1 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, the average person is either an ass, an idiot, or both.
@GregStraub42
@GregStraub42 Жыл бұрын
I'm betting it's "Hey look this as good and its cheap don't spent stupid money on a klon!" And instead the price of the cheap one jumped for no reason. Also anyone crying about it there are other 2 and 3 band tube screamers.
@diabeticmonkey
@diabeticmonkey Жыл бұрын
@@russellg1473It’ll always be funny when people still don’t listen or pay attention when it’s obviously a joke
@evowire
@evowire Жыл бұрын
I worked at Digitech for years. Josh just pointed out what some already knew, at the expense of all the cork sniffing gear nuts. The design engineers and marketing folks there made some of the best equipment I've ever used... and it was all affordable. That being said, my personal favorite are the HardWire series pedals, which came and went very quickly. Now that Tom Cram and the original engineers are back with Digitech, I believe were about to be supplied with some more incredible sounding gear.
@frankfrank7921
@frankfrank7921 Жыл бұрын
Hardwire series, yes! Tom Cram and team returning. yes X 1000!
@pyrock0227
@pyrock0227 Жыл бұрын
Man, Digitech was such a godsend for hobbyist guitarists. I still use my Screamin' Blues and Grunge more than just about any other pedals. Honestly, the only multi-hundred-dollar pedals I drool over these days are from GameChanger Audio, and that's more for their gimmick being genuinely cool.
@Acheron666
@Acheron666 Жыл бұрын
I like the Berhinger stuff as well, which is another budget brand. They do a tube screamer that’s fecking awesome and the Hell Babe wah pedal they make is pretty versatile.
@ruggie.74
@ruggie.74 Жыл бұрын
I just hope they can produce some really affordable gear. I would LOVE to try out new things but the prices of physical gear is just so out of reach for me not working due to disability (long term). I've actually had to resort to using software that I haven't acquired legally.... Which is not only unethical, but it sounds WAY worse than real gear in my opinion. Depressing in more ways that one... I loved using digitech stuff back in the mid-2000s when I started. Wish I would've kept all my gear from back then.
@tiborbogi7457
@tiborbogi7457 Жыл бұрын
​@@Acheron666 I use Behringer reverb and it fulfill my needs.
@Zaspor
@Zaspor Жыл бұрын
The Bad Monkey was my first pedal & I have held onto it / used it since 06' the smount of other guitarists & guitar player friends that turned their noses up to it was damn near 100%. I always defended it & seeing this whole thing play out is hilarious to me. Kind of an "I told you so" moment
@AlucardArkaine
@AlucardArkaine Жыл бұрын
It really is a lot better than people give it credit for. A friedman, it is not, but it is still a great damn pedal and will give you a nice tone if you know how to work it right.
@landoftheninja
@landoftheninja Жыл бұрын
Phil X a big studio guitar guy says his secret weapon is an old amp called a tone master and a bad monkey.
@Zaspor
@Zaspor Жыл бұрын
@sukyumibowlz-fq7hx Clearly somebody doesn't own a Bad Monkey.
@wiseguy9202
@wiseguy9202 Жыл бұрын
Same here. I've been collecting Digitech/DOD pedals since the early 90's since I didn't really have access to other brands. Still my favorite and is the most used pedal I have. I think it's superior to most OD pedals because it has low and high knobs and not just a tone knob.
@possiblyneil4978
@possiblyneil4978 Жыл бұрын
The theme for "he has the box" played in my brain regardless because of this mind disease I have
@thewickedwizard
@thewickedwizard Жыл бұрын
Same
@wallacehoward2792
@wallacehoward2792 Жыл бұрын
Oh, talking about your disease. What a... shame.less.plug.
@possiblyneil4978
@possiblyneil4978 Жыл бұрын
@@wallacehoward2792 it seems I don't have that one?
@johanneschristopherstahle3395
@johanneschristopherstahle3395 Жыл бұрын
​@@possiblyneil4978 Can you even survive?
@possiblyneil4978
@possiblyneil4978 Жыл бұрын
@@johanneschristopherstahle3395 na, it's terminal. I might only have 50 years left
@Smart-Alex
@Smart-Alex Жыл бұрын
Rob Chapman and Stevie T are both like..."Phew, thank God this isn't about us!"
@duderama6750
@duderama6750 Жыл бұрын
Oh but Rob will make it about himself. Introducing the Bad Chapper's Overhype pedal! Twice the noise at thrice the price! Coming soon to a Guitar Center near you!
@Starch1b2c3d4a
@Starch1b2c3d4a Жыл бұрын
Size comment
@oliverjames7315
@oliverjames7315 Жыл бұрын
​@Duderama 67 Bad Chappers really tickled me haha
@M0M...
@M0M... Жыл бұрын
He’s really not that bad lol chill
@armara70
@armara70 Жыл бұрын
​@@duderama6750 He has a lot of power. Don't forget!
@crazyturkturk1733
@crazyturkturk1733 Жыл бұрын
as someone who’s left the guitar youtube sphere for a while and came back i just wanted to say thank you. Your content is one of the few channels which is no bs and just tells it like it is. No marketing gimmicks, you try to put your biases aside and give viewers the facts. Even when you state your opinion you never do so in an unfair or overly rude manner, you simply give facts and express how that makes you feel. All in all S tier channel, keep up the amazing work.
@Reesecful
@Reesecful Жыл бұрын
Here’s another thing to consider: potentiometer variance/tolerance. If you take two identical TS9’s, put all knobs at noon and switch between them, they’ll sound different. Guaranteed. Potentiometers aren’t perfect, and 12 o’clock on one pedal might be another’s 1 o’clock. Some pedals have less range on the effected parameters, so you’ll notice it less. Some have more. The reason a Klon and a Bad Monkey sound similar is because they’re a similar overdrive, and you can tweak the knobs on either to make it sound the same. I’m only saying this because Anderton’s is probably gonna do a video in the next week comparing a Klon to a Bad Monkey they pulled from the back, put all the knobs at noon and say “oh they’re not the same after all.” At the end of the day, I bet you could make a Klon and a TS9 sound the exact same, especially if you have an EQ pedal after the TS9. Tl;dr just go practice and be happy with the overdrive you have. Tweak the knobs a bit and find a sound you like. A Klon may be worth $5000, but practice and self-satisfaction is worth a lot more.
@TylerJohnstonGuitar
@TylerJohnstonGuitar Жыл бұрын
Does this make Morley pedals perfect? Most of their stuff doesn’t have pots.
@bigbasil1908
@bigbasil1908 Жыл бұрын
Well the thing is capacitors vary from their stated capacity, whether it be 1%, 5%, 10% or 20% tolerance. So unless in the factory where they make the pedals they measure the capacitance of each capacitor to make sure they are exactly the same, there will be some difference to the sound of the pedal.
@DougMen1
@DougMen1 Жыл бұрын
You're seriously lacking in knowledge of electronic circuits. The Bad Monkey is just a TS with bass and treble controls, and, like a TS is a soft clipper, with the clipping diodes in the op-amp's feedback loop. The Klon circuit is a hard clipper, with the clipping diodes on the op-amp's output, and in that regard is more like a DOD 250 than a TS. Furthermore, it has several unique attributes- a charge pump chip that boosts the power supply voltage for more headroom, and a dual gang gain pot, with dual parallel circuit paths that keeps a fixed ratio of clean tone mixed in with the dirt tone, so, as you increase the gain, you are also increasing the parallel clean signal by the same amount. The Klon also has a unique buffer circuit on-board, and I'm pretty sure the Bd Monkey is un-buffered, with a true bypass design. Go back to school before you open your mouth next time.
@evenstephen9337
@evenstephen9337 Жыл бұрын
you made that up
@jspartacus
@jspartacus Жыл бұрын
A Klon is not worth $5000. The same hype that's surrounding the Bad Monkey and TS10 applies to the Klon.
@nj1255
@nj1255 Жыл бұрын
I have no doubt that if Josh were to make a video claiming the Digitech Death Metal to be a god-tier distortion, people would start buying it for several hundreds of dollars.
@Ottophil
@Ottophil Жыл бұрын
I mean its fun to play with. I used one into a peavey combo as my main distortion in the 90’s
@morbideddie
@morbideddie Жыл бұрын
That pedal legit got me through a fair few black metal gigs while I was at uni. Sounded terrible, perma dined gain, ton of noise… I loved it.
@sunn_bass
@sunn_bass Жыл бұрын
But the Digitech Death metal is THE god tier pedal. Lol.
@wilky1189
@wilky1189 Жыл бұрын
I use it on my bass solos. It's amazing with a chorus pedal.
@brendanm6921
@brendanm6921 Жыл бұрын
​@@wilky1189 fucking hell, I can't even begin to imagine...
@Guitar_Get
@Guitar_Get Жыл бұрын
Can confirm. Am a guitar player. Am stupid. But the JHS effect is crazy. I don't blame Josh at all. I love learning from that channel. People are just crazy.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 Жыл бұрын
The Digitech Distortion Factory went back to reasonable prices around a month after JHS did the video on that pedal and the Expression and Chorus Factories. I picked one up for $230.00 + $12.00 delivery
@jimmywembo2167
@jimmywembo2167 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@dreamsofcosmicoceans8105
@dreamsofcosmicoceans8105 Жыл бұрын
@@DerSilvano He isn't. Guitar players got the wrong idea from the message that Josh was trying to send.
@PaulieMcCoy
@PaulieMcCoy Жыл бұрын
It's got to do with herd mentality and this situation puts that into context, specifically "influencers" (self-labeled or not). Musicians are a superstitious bunch. Before YT & modern social media, you had set consensus in a community on a forum, IRC, etc... before that, newsgroups & physical magazines along with bands and people naturally socializing. Jim Lill along with some others are doing some serious organic consensus cracking via empirical testing. I suppose JHS tried but it brought out the collector & scalper types it appears. People need to be told what is great, what sounds good instead of discovering it for themselves instead of worrying about writing interesting music. The ease of use of social media and the internet has us able to crack many old consensuses or it can help reinforce old ones & create new ones. Best general advice: as it was used to be said "shut up and play your guitar!" (but record, share, learn, etc)
@killergrooves2438
@killergrooves2438 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t use pedals for years and years, just a foot switch that came with my amp. When I finally decided to start using pedals, I just went with Boss because I like the shape and uniformity of their pedals. That’s it. It’s purely an OCD thing, but I love how they sound. I’ve got some non-Boss pedals for things Boss doesn’t make. I’ve mostly given up on chasing specific tones and focus on getting a tone I like. It fills me with joy to look down at my color-coded stomp boxes.
@trevscribbles
@trevscribbles Жыл бұрын
I have this ancient Zoom multi-effects pedal that I must've bought 20 years ago and there's one particular lead distortion on it known simply as "B 1" and it sounds fucking awesome! When I was a teen I was embarrassed to use it and pretended I just had it for gigs as a tuner. It's mortifying to think I was such a sheep (still use it btw)
@xyrius
@xyrius Жыл бұрын
I had that one and I remember I also loved the "B1" :D Memories.. Also Boss' Micro Br had insanely cool effects too. (The one BR-80).
@leonskum.5682
@leonskum.5682 Жыл бұрын
I have it!!!!! The Zoom 50511??
@ashleyjohansson230
@ashleyjohansson230 Жыл бұрын
Same here I have a zoom g1n from a while ago and it sounds pretty much no different than any "real" pedals.
@LukeChaos
@LukeChaos Жыл бұрын
Nine Inch Nails' iconic "Broken" EP used Zoom effects. JHS should do a history lesson on those and all the hypebeasts will suddenly decide those crappy-but-awesome Zoom effects are essential classics worth thousands of dollars.
@donthav1
@donthav1 Жыл бұрын
@@LukeChaos Tom Morello used the Zoom step/auto arpeggio effect at the end of the solo on "Show Me How to Live." I bought a Zoom 505 damn near 25 years ago and yeah, gear snobs looked down on it. But with some tweaking it could make incredible sounds regardless of the price.
@elliottclark1340
@elliottclark1340 Жыл бұрын
Drummers aren’t stupid, they just hangout with Musicians
@stereoroid
@stereoroid Жыл бұрын
I prefer working with a drum machine, that way I only have to punch the rhythm in once.
@bulkvanderhuge9006
@bulkvanderhuge9006 Жыл бұрын
you must be a drummer, "Hangout" is a place "Hang out" is what musicians do.
@NintenDub
@NintenDub Жыл бұрын
Hey watch it buddy' 🥁
@aliengrey6052
@aliengrey6052 Жыл бұрын
@@stereoroid hit the drummer hard enough and achieve the same result 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Flopperhead
@Flopperhead Жыл бұрын
@@stereoroid so true. Machines dont complain
@therealshavenyak
@therealshavenyak Жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought the Bad Monkey was a seriously underrated pedal, and I’ve seen people comparing it to the Klon before.
@jackierabbit450
@jackierabbit450 Жыл бұрын
I actually like using the bad monkey pedal as a straight front end lift to amplify the sound fairly cleanly before hitting the preamp stage of my tube amp, when done Right it drives the front end of the 12 ax7 preamp tubes into a beautiful cascading crunch, driving the final tubes into a rumbling gritty overdrive, in a very good way!
@nothingislogical
@nothingislogical Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I knew the Bad Monkey was underrated when Phil X was talking about it in his demos years ago. I'm kind surprised there wasn't a bigger spike back then. Also, JHS is probably one of the best channels for pedals. They focus more on informing you about different pedals and their history instead of just shilling their own products. The video they did about the history of the ProCo Rat awhile ago was excellent, and the fact that they straight up debunked the myth of the older chips having some mythical secret sauce that made them sound better pissed off a lot of people who shelled out a lot of money for vintage Rat pedals.
@michelvanbriemen3459
@michelvanbriemen3459 Жыл бұрын
I had forgotten where I heard it so often. Every single Phil X video for Fretted Americana back in the day used the Bad Monkey, it was his favourite pedal at the time and sounded amazing.
@hitsonacousticguitar
@hitsonacousticguitar Жыл бұрын
Imho the point is not, that the Bad Monkey is underrated, but that the other pedals are overrated.
@duffman18
@duffman18 Жыл бұрын
​@@hitsonacousticguitar exactly. Complete idiots spend 5 grand on klon centaurs and yet can't tell the difference between them and a regular budget behringer or digitech pedal in a blind audio test. You can't even tell the difference when it's just the guitar on its own, let alone when it's in the mix. Also too many guitar players create their perfect tone over years and years, and then finally use them in a band situation and they sound completely shite in that context. Because what's good guitar tone for the mix is a completely different thing to good guitar tone on its own. The best tones ever, if you isolate the guitar and mute everything else, generally sound awful. But they sound amazing in the mix. Like, I normally dislike his whole channel really, but Music Is Win did do a good video about this where he played Randy Rhodes' tone on its own, isolated, on his songs with Ozzy, and the tone sounded like absolute dog shit. This is the same tone that's in every "top 10 guitar tones" list. So spending years trying to perfect your guitar tone by just playing on your own, is a waste of time. You've gotta get good at creating a tone within the context of a band. Make a drum track, record bass and guitar parts on it, mix them all together, and get better and better at mixing them over time. Then you'll be saving yourself a lot of hassle.
@24th1879
@24th1879 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've had my Bad Monkey for over10 years. I bought it after listening to Phil X rave about it way back in his Fretted Americana videos.. I think it cost me 38 quid back then... I still use it today.. Imho it is indeed a great little pedal and certainly holds it own against the boutique stuff..
@javonaziz5323
@javonaziz5323 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, back then you could have a popular KZfaq video on a bit of gear and it wouldn't cause a price spike. Now anyone selling the gear is looking for these kind of viral videos. All it takes is for a few people to inflate the price and suddenly they are all "worth" whatever the new price is.
@Polished_Perspective
@Polished_Perspective Жыл бұрын
As a non-guitarist and someone who watches JHS frequently this whole situation is hilarious to me. Here's a brilliant idea for all guitarists: buy pedals based on whether you like how they sound. I know it sounds crazy but it might save you a few bucks
@noggintube
@noggintube Жыл бұрын
The problem is they really do think they like the sound, but due to preconceived bias. You could put two exact same circuits into different boxes, one being a Klon for example, and they would swear that one sounds better. It happens all the time with pedals, pickups, strings etc etc. Its human nature unfortunately and marketing companies play off it with many different products.
@mr.d.572
@mr.d.572 Жыл бұрын
That's what I try to do, buy what works for me. We get caught up though in the hype of the "next big thing" or the new reissue that has new features, etc. It's a real rabbit hole sometimes. What I stay away from though, are over complicated pedals - those, I don't care how much hype is behind them, I'm not interested because I don't want to spend loads of time trying to figure out how to use it.
@evenstephen9337
@evenstephen9337 Жыл бұрын
as a guy who shits his pants often, i agree with you!
@DJBuglip
@DJBuglip Жыл бұрын
@@evenstephen9337 Lol
@PlasticCogLiquid
@PlasticCogLiquid Жыл бұрын
@@noggintube No two pedals are going to sound exactly the same either, electronics components aren't perfect and they have tolerances.
@simonkormendy849
@simonkormendy849 Жыл бұрын
The thing is, when it comes to guitar tone, it's not what you use, but how you use it and what you do with it that really counts.
@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS
@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS Жыл бұрын
Yep, used BOSS ME-70 is all the most would ever need
@PrinceWesterburg
@PrinceWesterburg Жыл бұрын
I've played and built guitars for nearly 40 years and you are 100% accurate!!! Another pedal I was recently told was 'Legendary' was that Nobel PoS - never heard of it and I've played everything. Oh and there was a JHS company making pedals and gear in the 80s and 90s. Great video! :o)
@evenstephen9337
@evenstephen9337 Жыл бұрын
no ur literally a child im looking at u rn
@ricky4214
@ricky4214 Жыл бұрын
@@evenstephen9337 we got a comment section detective, keep up the good work
@Jaspertine
@Jaspertine Жыл бұрын
Josh is the reason I first gave cheap Chinese manufacturers like Joyo the time of day in the first place. Now, the Joyo Aquarius delay is my absolute favourite delay pedal, and the Voodoo Octave fuzz pedal hasn't left my board since I got it a few years ago.
@brucehayes7251
@brucehayes7251 Жыл бұрын
Josh quite often points out that there is very little that can make a `new' pedal stand out in the crowd. I've got a few joyo and nux pedals based simply on availability ,performance and ultimately price. I can play any 1 or a combination of my various overdrive pedals and get a satisfying result. I have the voodoo fuzz but didn't really find a use for it,the octave wasn't particularly obvious but I still have it
@MrSubtlehustle
@MrSubtlehustle Жыл бұрын
Same same! He showed me that circuits are in fact just that CIRCUITS! and that a board loaded with Strymon pedals won't make you sound any better!
@cedarbay3994
@cedarbay3994 Жыл бұрын
I’m not an Josh fan but I probably have 25 ODs and my favorite is the Joyo American Sound into ‘60 Deluxe.
@onerandombruh
@onerandombruh Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Ryan from 60CycleHum I discovered the beauty of cheap pedals and, in the same way, how of an asshole can people be around a certain brand or model, how toxic is that way of thinking, instead of acknowledging the fact that those are gateway pedals that serve for experimentation and whatnot... Also the HotOne Dent, nice pedal.
@brucehayes7251
@brucehayes7251 Жыл бұрын
@@cedarbay3994 joyo American is pride of place on my boards also. The most useful pedal purchases ( several) I have made,seems a little silly to some to put a fender voice to a fender but yes I run it with overdrive in front and delay/ reverb after the American,into both valve and solid state . Bought the California as well and I'm sure in context it would be as useful but the voice and gain range on the American pedal covers everything I need .$69 aus, what's not to like.
@onerandombruh
@onerandombruh Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, KDH. With all due respect, every time Josh reviews a cheap pedal, everyone loses their mind and reveals how hypocrite some assholes are around pedal brands and being so snooty about it.
@somebodyelseuk
@somebodyelseuk Жыл бұрын
Yeah, not only that, they don't recognise when they've been scammed. As a couple of people noticed, he made the other pedals sound like the Bad Monkey, not the other way round - they noticed the Bad Monkey settings never changed, whilst the other pedals had pretty radical settings.
@marksieczko7766
@marksieczko7766 Жыл бұрын
Well spotted.
@grumpyvaultboy
@grumpyvaultboy Жыл бұрын
About 15 Years ago I got myself an Ibanez TS9 and a Bad Monkey and tested them side by side. They not just sound identical in a mix but with a single guitar as well. Actually the Bad Monkey was a little better because the TS9 had a little background noise which could be very annyoing on higher gain levels. The Bad Monkey was a perfectly fine pedal, which served me well until I got into VST and sold it.
@alioth2021
@alioth2021 Жыл бұрын
It's true. I switched to bass and immediately got accepted into Harvard. I didn't even apply.
@j_freed
@j_freed Жыл бұрын
Good one. Actually, Harvard isn’t smart, it’s gone Woke.
@lidbass
@lidbass Жыл бұрын
Janitors don’t need to apply. Sorry, mate, only joking, but I couldn’t resist!
@gupster24
@gupster24 Жыл бұрын
Ite true! Ive been playing bass for nearly 3 years and im being constantly harassed by Ivy League schools! Ive even had my family kidnapped before so I could be forced to go to one !
@NoCantsAllowed
@NoCantsAllowed Жыл бұрын
​@lidbass Beat me to it by 1-hour.
@kieranwalsh2058
@kieranwalsh2058 Жыл бұрын
The funniest part of this is a bassist getting a job
@tedisakoolkat
@tedisakoolkat Жыл бұрын
I had this along with other digitech pedals that I recently donated to a music school about a year ago. No regrets, the young musicians will get years of love out of it. That’s worth more than the money to me. Personally, this pedal never sounded super special to my ears. Barber electronics overdrive pedals on the other hand, those sounded like gold! Haha
@aw2584
@aw2584 Жыл бұрын
Innit? I give my old gear for free to newbie friends/friends who want to start playing guitar or charity, what surprises me is that people are THIS upset over a pedal going from 50 to 200 USD like... if you sold it a week ago and the price jumped like this, and you're THIS bitthurt over it... defo need to think your life over if 150 dollars causes this much ass hurt (unless you're like a teenager, then I understand)
@alastaircollins1145
@alastaircollins1145 Жыл бұрын
If anything, your having donated it is the one of the best results, because who likes the school's kit? It's laaaaaaaame. But now, some kid will be like "Wait... isn't that on the storeroom shelf at school!?" ... and probably steal it, but they'll definitely USE it ;)
@ab8817
@ab8817 Жыл бұрын
Josh is on a mission to make every pedal's price at least $150
@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55
@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 Жыл бұрын
And then sell his budget range for 99. He's playing chess 😂
@ronaldmaday
@ronaldmaday Жыл бұрын
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 4-D giga-Chad brain chess
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Жыл бұрын
@@Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55 Idk, I'm not paying $100 for some chinese clones.
@TheRealcdawg22
@TheRealcdawg22 Жыл бұрын
Spot-on with your assessment. I will add that a lot of people are just looking for an easy fix, or, in this case, a magic pedal that will make them sound great without putting any effort into practicing or actually learning the instrument. Don't get me wrong, I really dig pedals (and amps), but I'm not expecting any increase in social status with what I buy or not buy. In fact, I'm the guy that is more drawn to the things that are outcast and unwanted, like the TS-10 was for years and years. But, then again, I am not trying to be anybody else.
@hairoftehdog
@hairoftehdog Жыл бұрын
Just checked, I still have the Bad Monkey I bought when I was working at Guitar Center in 2004-05! It sold brand new for $29.99 and it became a favorite around the store for how good it sounded next to pedals 5 times the price! Last time I used it, I had it as a bass overdrive
@lucbos7516
@lucbos7516 Жыл бұрын
Ibanez TS9 Tubescreamer for best tone !
@hairoftehdog
@hairoftehdog Жыл бұрын
@@lucbos7516 amplifier OD is all I go with nowadays. And if I need more gain, a Seymour Duncan Pickup Booster pedal :)
@acactusnamedjosh708
@acactusnamedjosh708 Жыл бұрын
@@lucbos7516 The bad monkey is a literal ts clone.
@jasonfifi
@jasonfifi Жыл бұрын
it is a god tier bass overdrive, cuz it has a dry output so it also works great as a split-point for a wet/dry or bright/thump rig.
@NoCantsAllowed
@NoCantsAllowed Жыл бұрын
It's insane to realize how quickly shit got out of hand. I used to buy smokes in high school in the 90's for $1.25 to $2.25 ...if you had extra lunch money for Marlboro or Camels. Now... kids need to budget their lunch money multiple days to enjoy the social standing of a smoker! It's total BULLSH!T!
@potatoheadhaoy
@potatoheadhaoy Жыл бұрын
Man, I thought the takeaway from that video was that you don’t need flavor of the month pedal to get a good tone. It’s not so much that the bad monkey is just some chameleon pedal that has magical powers, it’s just a drive pedal with a good 2-band eq. An eq pedals is often considered boring, but it can get you in the ballpark of pretty much any overdrive archetype, just because most of the difference is in the eq curve.
@johanneschristopherstahle3395
@johanneschristopherstahle3395 Жыл бұрын
When driving my amp, I could almost get identical results with an EQ vs. my TS 10. There's often more than one solution for a given problem. 👍
@search895
@search895 Жыл бұрын
You can make some guitars in records sound more distorted using the player eq. I do it sometimes boosting the high frequencies. If I can do it with a recorded song, i can do it with an amp.
@tommyibanez3958
@tommyibanez3958 Жыл бұрын
True about the EQ pedal. I had a Switchblade tube amp years ago that sounded like a boring Marshall, but I loved the onboard effects feature and presets. Ran a Boss GE7 through the loop and BAM totally different amp.
@jannik19191
@jannik19191 Жыл бұрын
Most importantly: most overdrive circuits are extremely simple and thus you can manufacture them at very low costs, especially when you make large volumes of them, like a lot of the cheaper brands do. Also manufacturing costs are not what determines prices of pedals (or most things, really), but at where the seller thinks they can get the most profit (supply/demand etc).
@shlebmo
@shlebmo Жыл бұрын
Are you saying that if I buy a good eq pedal and put it after my ts808 I can manage to get it to keep from coloring the sound of my amp? I don’t really believe that. It’s a good pedal for certain uses if you want to add color but if you just want a little past breakup and it diminishes the sound of the amp you need an overdrive made exactly with that in mind
@andrewpetracca6619
@andrewpetracca6619 Жыл бұрын
My good friend is a musician but knows nothing about guitar pedals. He got me a used Bad Monkey for my birthday maybe 3 years ago, and it is the only pedal I have ever gotten for free. I think he paid $30. It even came with the box and DigiTech’s old mini-booklet/catalog. Watching this situation unfold has given me the strangest sense of amusement.
@fatfredthe28th
@fatfredthe28th Жыл бұрын
After watching the JHS video, I went digging through my pedals and found I still have mine Bad Monkey (American version) that I picked up for $20 years ago with the box. I was also amused and was tempted to see what the prices immediately jumped.
@m4ssee
@m4ssee Жыл бұрын
I remember back in the day, Bad Monkey being THE overdrive/boost pedal for any metal guitarist here in Finland because they were cheap af even as new and did the job as well as any other pedal. I never owned one because I was stupid and had to get a Maxon OD808 just because that's what my favorite bands were using.
@aitken1965
@aitken1965 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. It shines a spotlight on the idiocy of we guitar players and our relentless "quest for tone." That quest, of course, does not include, generally, setting a rigorous practice schedule and adhering to it. It generally means buying more gear.
@chriscampbell9191
@chriscampbell9191 Жыл бұрын
Or.... it means buying tons of stuff to try to duplicate an always changing "perfect tone" that is in your head, but probably changes in your head from year to year anyway. My "perfect tone" sort of adapted to that of my favorite guitar through most overdriven amps, and I guess I got lucky. But this mystical "quest for tone" seems to hit even the big gun guitar players. Look at Eddie Van Halen. He had the tone that guys still try to reproduce, decades later, that he got on VH1, yet he kept changing his guitars and gear afterwards in the "quest for tone". That's why I really admire Malcolm Young. Very little changes in equipment. He had his guitar altered a few times, but it usually was the same Gretsch bridge pickup into a Marshall Super Bass or Super Lead -- same basic amp configuration from 1974 when AC/DC started until his last tour with them in 2010. He knew what he wanted, got it, stuck with it.
@purpletentacle6248
@purpletentacle6248 Жыл бұрын
I actually remember that the Bad Monkey had a lot of hype around it shortly after it came out, but that's largely because it was a very inexpensive way to get a Tube Screamer-like pedal. It's silly to me that people are paying such high prices when the selling point amongst internet guitarists at the time was simply that it was cheaper than a branded Tube Screamer (albeit with high & low knobs instead of a tone knob). The lesson from the JHS video should be that you don't need to spend a whole lot to get great results. Never ended up buying a Bad Monkey, but I did spend $26 on a "Kokko Overdrive" (Tube Screamer clone), and it sounds great! Can't wait till they inevitably explode in price one day!
@madProgenitorDeity
@madProgenitorDeity Жыл бұрын
This pedal was like $75 until pretty recently
@zerosoma33
@zerosoma33 Жыл бұрын
I just remember it (Bad Monkey)being $29.95 new last time I checked. Must have been right before they got discontinued. Time flies.
@purpletentacle6248
@purpletentacle6248 Жыл бұрын
@@zerosoma33 That would have been such a great buy! I remember wanting to get one when they were at a decent price. Kinda funny - STL Tones Amphub (which is an amp sim that's updated monthly) just got an update that added a Bad Monkey pedal for free! I had to laugh at them capitalizing on the hype of the Bad Monkey. That said - they also have a Seymour Duncan 805 Drive which is a Tubescreamer with Bass, Treble & Mids knobs, so it basically takes the Bad Monkey a step further.
@aldersmoke1
@aldersmoke1 Жыл бұрын
Prices will most likely come back down. Awhile back, JHS did an episode on the Digitech Distortion Factory and Expression Factory EX-7 pedals. Prices went haywire for awhile, but I recently bought an EX-7 for what it was going for before the Josh spike. I think the TS-10 is a different situation because of its affiliation with Mayer, who may only be second to Bonamassa in the deep-pocketed world of blues lawyers.
@hiroprotagonitis
@hiroprotagonitis Жыл бұрын
DF is still wild
@aldersmoke1
@aldersmoke1 Жыл бұрын
@@hiroprotagonitis I'm seeing a couple for $130 on Reverb. Doesn't seem that crazy.
@johanneschristopherstahle3395
@johanneschristopherstahle3395 Жыл бұрын
Maybe JM played too many different drives. If it was for the money, I should have sold my TS 10 a few years ago when they sold for 300+. Bought it for about 30 DM (15 EUR) more than 20 years ago. I swear it didn't sound as good back then as it does now though. It aged pretty well. Maybe my ears betray me, but I'm sure my TS 9 always sounded way smoother then the TS 10. Now I like both of them equally.
@Jonathan-ih7qp
@Jonathan-ih7qp Жыл бұрын
​@@aldersmoke1 But a couple months before that video I bought two Distortion Factory pedals in mint condition with box (one of them was sealed NOS even) for about $60 each (including shipping and tax). So, yeah, $130 for a pedal isn't absurd, but it is 2x what it used to cost. Same with the CF-7, was around $50, now settling around $100. When Josh hypes these out-of-production budget (sub $75 price point) pedals they usually spike hard (upwards of $200) but then come back down and then eventually seem to settle around $100-$125- which depending on how cheap it was before is anywhere between a 33%-100% increase. You can see these trends among several pedals such as the DF-7, CF-7, and Boss BC-2 just off the top of my head but I'm sure there are more. I think KDH is probably right in that it will go back down to a "reasonable" level eventually, just not as cheap as it was a week and a half ago (about $125 after a few weeks and then maybe hovering around $100-$115 after about 6-8 months).
@krytycznymoment9457
@krytycznymoment9457 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant vid, mate. I have pretty much the same conclusions! All the best1
@rickroberts9182
@rickroberts9182 Жыл бұрын
Years ago I bought a Joyo tube screamer copy. It works very well, compares almost identically to my old tube screamer from the 80's and cost me $20.00 Canadian dollars. I have tried various other more expensive overdrives and this pedal performs as well if not better than most. The only pedal that has a bit of an advantage is the Boss OS-2. The Boss DS-1 is very similar but for as much as I use distortion, I found the Joyo to be more than sufficient.
@robinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
@robinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Жыл бұрын
A similar situation happened to the Peavey Decade when Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age said in an interview it was his secret weapon amp. It went from $50 to $500 and is still being listed at around $200 a year later. Some loser is trying to sell one for $1000, discounted from $2000.
@johanneschristopherstahle3395
@johanneschristopherstahle3395 Жыл бұрын
I think it was Eric Valentine who spoilered this. Josh usually does not want to reveal his secrets. He's still practicing the lost art of keeping a secret. Maybe I'm wrong, not sure.
@JoeSiris
@JoeSiris Жыл бұрын
I remember the Bad Monkey being the best sounding pedal of the bunch my local shop had out for demo use back in the day. Nice to see it getting some love.
@rhysm.5915
@rhysm.5915 Жыл бұрын
I've been out of the guitar game for years, but I remember back in the late 00's that people were going crazy for the original TS 808 and buying them for sometimes thousands of dollars.
@stockholm1752
@stockholm1752 Жыл бұрын
I like this video. I also like how the stripes on your jumper match the wall behind you.
@unluckyman0087
@unluckyman0087 Жыл бұрын
"I even have the box" My brain* he has the..* "Sadly I don't have a theme song" I immediately died 🤣🤣🖤
@jameswilson6374
@jameswilson6374 Жыл бұрын
Kudos to Josh! Sometimes we get sucked down the rabbit hole and forget that music comes from your fingers, not a mountain of gear, lol. A lot of great guitar players have used very simple pedalboards!
@ElBrooklyn1
@ElBrooklyn1 Жыл бұрын
I once played a demo for the best guitar player and studio engineer in our circle of musicians. When it got to a part where my guitar was highlighted, he flipped out over how good it sounded. Wow, what is that?!?!? He was fairly stunned when I told him it was a Boss SD-1 into a solid state Fender Deluxe 112. It’s all about your ear, not the gear.
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 Жыл бұрын
Tone is in the fingers first, speakers second, pedals third, amp forth, and guitar 5th.
@kitten-whisperer
@kitten-whisperer Жыл бұрын
​@@nobodynoone2500 lol no it isn't. This is just one of those guitar things guitarists say. "Tone is in the fingers" "Bro the Tone wood" Just no. It's the gear. It doesn't have to be super fancy gear, just good sounding gear. I'm terms of amps and speakers. Speakers primarily. This isn't up for debate. It's literally an objective fact.
@PaulieMcCoy
@PaulieMcCoy Жыл бұрын
@@kitten-whisperer Objective fact that I nor anyone else needs to practice? Neat, I guess.
@kitten-whisperer
@kitten-whisperer Жыл бұрын
@PaulieMcCoy if you can record a video of you changing the tone of a guitar with your fingers I will send you all of my guitars. I will pay for a notary to finalize a contract saying that I have to actually give you them. Let's see an objective and tangible display of "tone fingers" lol.
@PaulieMcCoy
@PaulieMcCoy Жыл бұрын
@@kitten-whisperer You misunderstood what the OP was saying, I reckon. You're hung up on the semantics of the adage "tone is in the fingers" - this is not to be taken literally. It's just that practice and expertise allows one to transcend the particular ergonomic failings of a given instrument. Many great recordings were done on instruments (guitars) that... weren't that good or had particular problems. I believe ergonomics and feel are more important for me most of the time for guitar moreso than all the things guitar fudds have been sperging about for decades. There is also a psychological element to it. "The vibe" as children are saying these days. Feels like it sucks will be discouraging and a self-fulfilling prophecy. Unless you record all your practice sessions for posterity and to be able to analyze at any given time. Which is not a bad idea. Did you really think "tone is in the fingers first, speaker second..." was the OP saying that the actual physical composition of some people's hands are magic? It's about manipulation of the instrument for the desired result. Jim Lill and others have been demonstrating this, in the process killing the false myths the marketing industry has been planting into the minds of people for quite some time. Maybe we can finally get some good music as a result?
@JackBrice6
@JackBrice6 Жыл бұрын
Had a Bad Monkey for years, my first ever pedal back in 2008 I believe. Remember seeing them for £20-£40. Don’t know if I still have it anywhere but damn.
Жыл бұрын
Josh made a good point, use what you have. Pretty sure that you can dial in a great tone if you figure out how to work within your chain. Another thing I wanna point out is that regardless of how much I love pedals, there is this one thing that guitar players can't seem to understand, that being is that it's not their pedal choice that's pushing them back, more so lack of skill.
@patrickolson8558
@patrickolson8558 Жыл бұрын
I remember having a lot of Digitech pedals around this time as a new guitarist. The X-Series and the Bad Monkey and Grunge pedals I thought were really cool. I've sold all of them, but recently have found the boxes for the Main Squeeze and Screamin' Blues.
@wulfman15
@wulfman15 Жыл бұрын
Many years ago I bought a Rocktron Sonic Glory overdrive for $20 on clearance. It was this big bright purple pedal no one wanted. Then people found out it was just a TS9 and now I've seen them close to $100 before. It's still my go to overdrive next to my Snarling Dogs Blue Doo.
@bondalero0074
@bondalero0074 Жыл бұрын
I’ve used my Digitech “BadMonkey” overdrive pedal for years with wonderful results! I’ve always played the Ibanez RG 570/550 by choice since the late 80’s trying many different brands of guitar (Jackson, Gibson, Fender, Charvel, & ESP) but always going back to my RG’s with their wizard necks were made for my hands and got my “BadMonkey” pedal for a great price years ago and will keep it with my RG’s for the rest of my life! Glad to see people realizing how good of a pedal it is and always has been! #Digitech#BadMonkey❤@KDH
@maverick_trail
@maverick_trail Жыл бұрын
IMO Phil X was the one that reintroduced the Bad Monkey to guitarists 14 years ago. Simple BM into the Magnatone Tonemaster (which was a long forgotten amp) and that dude could get a wild assortment of rock tones. I guess guitarists aren't necessarily stupid, they just have short memories.
@jamesbrasfield2944
@jamesbrasfield2944 Жыл бұрын
You just brought back SO many memories of Fretted Americana 🥹 goood times
@Victimesty
@Victimesty Жыл бұрын
I wanted to say exactly that. Your memories are even more detailed!
@NintenDub
@NintenDub Жыл бұрын
Every pedal..is good. That's what Josh is showing.if you can play,and you have music in you.... Than any tool can be used in a great way that can make others jealous
@lucbos7516
@lucbos7516 Жыл бұрын
Ibanez TS9 Tubescreamer for best tone !
@MashaT22
@MashaT22 Жыл бұрын
Precisely! That’s like the entire point of his channel. If people are mad, they should be directing their fury at the sellers - or complaining to online sites like Reverb that they should be building safeguards into their site to prevent price manipulation and sudden massive jumps where they are not warranted. I can understand prices skyrocketing when an artist passes and their gear is only available in limited quantities. To allow sellers to outright price gouge old stuff that is abundantly available (and nobody famous has even died, so to speak) is within a site’s ability to make rules and systems that’ll prevent that sort of thing - where if enough people do it, it’ll like freeze the ability for those items to sell at those prices and trigger a human supervisor to review the situation. Same goes for new gear releases that people are trying to flip above the list price immediately after they sell out. There should be safeguards in place to prevent that from happening for x amount of time after it’s release - and to make sure there’s a slow rise in value and not a massive jump over time unless it’s truly something warranted like a major artist passing the the item being in limited supply - not when there’s bazillions of those items existing and for sale out in the wild. If enough guitarists complain to Reverb, eBay, and other sites, maybe they’ll actually do something to build these safeguards and policies into their sites. Because it’s not in their best interest to have hundreds of these Monkey pedals sittings on their site not selling and making them a profit because people won’t buy them for that insane amount of money. Better to have lots of them selling at fair values than a few selling to the stupid idiots dumb enough to buy into the hype and pay hundreds for it.
@plainsimpletailor402
@plainsimpletailor402 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this is the musical equivalent of fans of the Mandalorian driving up the prices of Bergmann pistols
@aisforapple2494
@aisforapple2494 Жыл бұрын
One of the pedals that I used to own and they no longer make is Boss' Supra-Distortion Feedback pedal. If you turn the feedback knob to zero, you could sustain a note indefinitely.
@yucatansuckaman5726
@yucatansuckaman5726 Жыл бұрын
Someday my boss metal zone will be 1000000 dollars.
@CatFish107
@CatFish107 Жыл бұрын
Yep, right alongside that comic book where (gasp) superman dies!
@kingstumble
@kingstumble Жыл бұрын
I got a Bad Monkey as a free gift for taking out a subscription on a certain guitar magazine a few years ago. Never realised it was so good (!) Maybe I should cash in before prices come down again
@cmet8280
@cmet8280 Жыл бұрын
Josh's point wasn't that the bad monkey is so great itself it was more about the fact that you don't have to spend a lot of money to get a good sound. There are lots of excellent pedals that do the job. Other than my Echoplex that I purchased in the 70's I have never spent more than $100 on a pedal.
@SteelyGlow
@SteelyGlow 8 ай бұрын
I can't remember a single video of Josh, where pedals sound good for my taste though. Literally everything turns into an awful fuzz in his hands.
@TheFlutecart
@TheFlutecart Жыл бұрын
Josh knew what he was doing. And the Bad Monkey has been used in OD shootouts on KZfaq for years and the consensus has always been that it's just a fancy maybe improved Tube Screamer with a smoother bottom than most candidates. Truth is, that most all OD circuits including the almighty Klon are easily made at home with a kit or parts and the willingness to learn basic electronic skills. Even Josh and Mr Wampler will tell you that. I have not bought an OD or Fuzz pedal in decades, but I play through Catalinbread clones I built at home, good stuff. Save your money for nice delay and reverb like an El Capistan, build your own analog preamp, boost, fuzz and OD. Build a custom Big Muff or a Silicone TB and a King of Tone for your pedalboard. It's fun too, online pedal building community is ready to help you get started just like Josh did many years ago.
@pacman_pol_pl_polska
@pacman_pol_pl_polska Жыл бұрын
Is there any particular source for this magic of basic electronics and not paying a lot of money for soldiering few basic components? :o
@jorriffhdhtrsegg
@jorriffhdhtrsegg Жыл бұрын
@@pacman_pol_pl_polska circuit analysis on elecrosmash. I literally sold and designed original pedals off very little knowledge. You don't really require it for drive pedals, since they are using components 'wrong' to produce distortion. If it was some digital-controlled thing, or more utilitarian function then you might need some electronic knowledge to design them. Ditto i use 3 homemade things, but i have bought tube/transformer drive pedals because i consider that they are probably worth the extra components/clever design.
@jakeportas1143
@jakeportas1143 Жыл бұрын
I wanted an overdrive pedal for a solo boost. I didn't want to spend a lot of money because I only wanted to boost the volume and thicken the sound a bit for leads. I got the Dynarock by Xvive, I think it cost me £30 brand new, including shipping. It does a great job. It has more volume than I need and it has a mid boost which helps thicken the sound, which are the exact requirements I had. It has plenty of gain on it, although I keep the gain all they way down for solos. It has however been useful in recording situations, it sounds great when paired with a light crunch from the amp. Having taken a punt on a cheap pedal, I feel happy with the purchase. I've had the pedal for over a year now and I have nothing negative to say about it. The only 'negative' is that I don't get to show off a rare, hand wired Tube Screamer or some ridiculous boutique pedal that costs thousands to buy. But I don't care about that, it sounds good and that's the most important thing
@duffman18
@duffman18 Жыл бұрын
The absolute number 1 best fuzz pedal I've ever owned, is a cheap £25 behringer super fuzz. I have some very very expensive fuzz pedals, I spent years buying all the highest recommended ones, EHX ones, Fuzz Face ones, etc. None of them were good enough, or at least close enough to what I heard in my head that I wanted. But the behringer fuzz had it. It sounds absolutely glorious. The mode on it I use is the 60s style fuzz and that just sounds so much better at that than every other 60s style fuzz I've tried. Although apparently most people buy the behringer one for the other mode, which is a 90s fuzz, it's an exact clone of the discontinued Boss Hyper Fuzz, basically. I don't like the sound of that mode at all but others say it's the best pedal for doing that. Similarly I spent years buying different tubescreamers. Eventually I bought a Robert Keeley one which I'd wanted for decades (he's the guy who started off as a pedal modder, much like JHS did, and he modded DS1s for Steve Vai and people like that, and his modded tubescreamer was said to be the best sounding one, and these days he doesn't mod anymore but he just has his own tubescreamer called the Red Dirt overdrive, that has the mod built in). The red dirt does sound incredible, and I do love it. But I eventually found my old behringer tubescreamer pedal I'd bought 10-15 years previously, and completely forgot that I even owned it. So I hooked both of them up, the behringer and the Keeley, and guess what? They sound identical. It's a bit ludicrous. That really opened my eyes to how much pedals are just snake oil. Guitar pedals are the musician form of something like psychic mediums, you have to be a gullible fool to fall for it. And I was a fool. I still am, I'm sure. But I at least have stopped salivating over the idea of saving up and buying stupidly expensive pedals. I have behringers that I've owned and used pretty much daily for well over a decade, now, and they've never broken, despite being plastic. Although TC electronics have the same exact pedals, just in metal enclosures, for an extra £10, because they bought behringer and so use all their circuits. I probably sound like a behringer shill lol, and I kinda am one 😂 but for free, voluntarily. Cos I love them. And I wanna tell every young guitar player to stop worrying about what equipment they have and to worry about practicing instead, cos that more than anything else (by a long long way) is what will make you sound good.
@jakeportas1143
@jakeportas1143 Жыл бұрын
@@duffman18 In my experience, Behringer pedals are some of the best value pedals on the market. If you wanted to build a board comprising of a distortion, overdrive, chorus, delay, noise gate and an EQ, I would immediately recommend looking at Behringer. Admittedly, it’s not fun getting a battery inside one but it could be worse. With their cheap price, if one gets stolen or broken, it’s not a big deal. I think too much money gets spent on fancy pedals for the sake of it, when a pedal 1/3 of the price would probably do the same job
@darringalloway
@darringalloway Жыл бұрын
​@@duffman18I'll see your Superfuzz and raise you a Fazy Cream. I recently bought a new les paul and and a 5 watt tube amp after years of going acoustic. When it came to effects, I decided to take a chance with cheap Amazon pedals and stumbled upon the Sonic Cake "Fazy Cream" $35 miniature big muff clone. That little black box is a gain beast. So glad now that I didn't shell out a bill for the real thing. Laughing all the way to the bank!
@Steedonline
@Steedonline Жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right !
@Defensive_Wounds
@Defensive_Wounds Жыл бұрын
I love how when in a jam or recording situation, the guitarist looks at the drummer as if he is off...so smart.
@timokakoun4367
@timokakoun4367 Жыл бұрын
Bought one ten years ago for 28€. It's quite nice for what it is, mainly because it has an amp- and a mixer out and low and high instead of just tone. You can actually create some nice broken or creamy tones with it. Definitely works if you want more digital 2000's dirt in your dirt.
@DougMen1
@DougMen1 Жыл бұрын
WTF are you smoking? It's analog, not digital, and is simply a TS with bass and treble controls. It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
@dnamusicchallenge5995
@dnamusicchallenge5995 Жыл бұрын
He has the box (ting) instant sub. Well explained. Tone chaser here on a budget. Learned early on to work with what u have. Maximize potentials 🤜🤛 but just like u (ur background there) i now have lots of gears as a grownup, coz i can afford them now, u knw, finally getting my dream gears when i was a kid and to actually play and enjoy them. Great video.
@ButternutDonut
@ButternutDonut Жыл бұрын
Back in the day I had a good handful of Digitech pedals; Bad monkey, hot rod, multichorus, the DF7...they were all great fun little pedals. Whish I held on to some of them. I think I sold them all to buy an EQD Afterneath, which is probably the coolest pedal I've ever played with.
@CosmoProductions
@CosmoProductions Жыл бұрын
Bad Monkey was my first guitar pedal. I got it about 16 years ago and it’s still on my board, in good working condition.
@AntmanFelix
@AntmanFelix Жыл бұрын
I remember when Phil X was doing videos for Fretted Americanna and he occasionally used a Bad Monkey and got some massive tones! Surprised it took this long for people to come around to them again. I remember seeing them for sale for $20 any given day. Guess times up. Good thing I don't rely on pedals for my tone.
@ibanezcollector
@ibanezcollector Жыл бұрын
was going to say Phil really loved that pedal and it did sound good Miss those vids..
@vojtechfryc994
@vojtechfryc994 Жыл бұрын
​@@ibanezcollectorloved those videos, but cant help but be happy for getting his big break with von jovi. He was always repping bad monkey for how cheap and great it was. Sounded so good into the ac30 /tonemaster
@djjazzyjeff1232
@djjazzyjeff1232 Жыл бұрын
@@ibanezcollector I do too, it represents a bygone era in my mind. I was so unbelievably psyched when he got the gig in Bon Jovi and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised to see that he's still there to this day.
@Civic.
@Civic. Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Josh did a video on Digitech multiFX modellers. The reality is many of the items modelled (especially the Digitech products) sound just like the real thing and they were from the time when the market universally declared modelling sucks. The reality is some bands who were considered to have amazing tone were using these Digitech products until the Fractals and Kempers replaced them but the main reason for the upgrades are factors like reliability or connectivity not tone. The reality is these amazing MFX products sell for less than the price of a single mid range guitar pedal.
@jcwoodstl
@jcwoodstl Жыл бұрын
When you said you had the box I was immediately saddened by the lack of “he has the box” stinger
@YoloMcSwaggot
@YoloMcSwaggot Жыл бұрын
I begin to see why Gibson thought selling guitar NFTs would be immensely profitable.
@joekiernan6915
@joekiernan6915 Жыл бұрын
The TS10 prices are crazy. I bought two of them a good few years back for €30 a piece since I really wanted a TS but I couldn't afford a TS9 and nobody cared about the TS10 back then. They are great pedals but not worth anything close to what people are asking for these days.
@lucbos7516
@lucbos7516 Жыл бұрын
Ibanez TS9 Tubescreamer for best tone !
@glenkepic3208
@glenkepic3208 Жыл бұрын
Nice work here. Like i responded to JHS, I bought mine when first released after seeing so many great comments here and at Amazon. At $35.00 new, I didn't even demo it. Heck, it sat for a week before i plugged it in. Happy with my gigged first gen Cyber Twin tones. Once i did, all in. Semi clean BF setting and played what ever i wanted. I used it almost all the time. Move forced headphones and use this amp and other and mostly a DS-1 but still love the Bad Monkey. And, yes, it weighs more than the Boss pedal.
@xyrius
@xyrius Жыл бұрын
I had a Bad Monkey around 2006 and sold it. Because it's an overdrive pedal and I went for different sound. Also it's a DSP pedal (copy ofIbanez TubeScreamer). DSP means Digital Signal Processing. A lot of pedals (especially after 2000) re DSP pedals. It means there's no difference between a pedal, multieffect, DSP Amp and/or a plugin(!). The point is: you can wste a lot of money if you don't know how gears works.
@bigbazbeast
@bigbazbeast Жыл бұрын
imagine spending $500 just to get the same pedal that scott pilgrim uses
@MattGuitarPlayer
@MattGuitarPlayer Жыл бұрын
I got my Bad Monkey brand new as a Christmas gift roughly 15 years ago and to this day will still go back and forth between it and my Keely-modded Tube Screamer; it's a damn good and versatile overdrive. I was goofing around on Reverb the other day and was seeing them listed for $300+ and was wondering when the hell it increased in value by nearly 10 times it's original brand new price tag...this hobby is great and fucking awful at the same time, Jesus Christ lol
@Pundit07
@Pundit07 Жыл бұрын
Small world man, I believe I bought mine around the same time as you did. It was actually my first ever pedal, and I still have it on my pedalboard to this day.
@rocketfuel996
@rocketfuel996 8 ай бұрын
I think the the usefulness of the overdrive hasn't decreased but evolved into more of a subtle tone shaping effect for metal. While almost all amps and pedals can achieve similar results to certain desired sounds, some gear just gets you there faster.
@jmc6401
@jmc6401 Жыл бұрын
yeah, know this for many years, my rig is a Vox tonelab st with a behringer eq....not a kemper or helix, etc
@kennhern
@kennhern Жыл бұрын
To me, if you do a catchy riff or a memorable song with a certain piece of gear, even if it's relative junk, it will gain value. Gilmour's Black Strat? Just an off the wall Strat guitar with tons of dings and dents along with a lot of mods done to it. However, it was sold in auction for 4 million dollars because of the music it made. EVH's Frankentrat? Just a partscaster of factory reject parts but is highly revered in the guitar community because of the revolutionary things done with it. My point is, the JHS team made some decent jams with the pedal, and now, people are now desiring to have one because it sounds close to some expensive shit. In reality, when you put guitar gear in the context of a band mix, these minute differences between the overdrives used in the video vanish. Bottomline, any gear can be good if you know how to use it. An ancient warrior once said, don't use a sword that you don't know how to wield. You can have the best gear, but if you can't properly play a tune, it's all pointless.
@TheBanana93
@TheBanana93 Жыл бұрын
Its like people who buy a 2k guitar and say it sounds shit.... when they just can't play. Like me I would never spend over £500 on a guitar unless I severely progressed... not worth it!
@theothertonydutch
@theothertonydutch Жыл бұрын
Build a man a fire, he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life.
@kennhern
@kennhern Жыл бұрын
@@TheBanana93 what irks me is that some people I see online say someone devalued their vintage guitar because they changed some parts on it. Like bro, some guitars needs to get its potentiometers changed because it's crackling like crazy and is not sounding good. Same with pickups, you rewind/replace it when it is not working as it should. People, it's an old guitar, it needs repairs. Modding for better playability/experience is bound to happen at some point. Also, being old doesn't mean it is great, that's just vintage guitar corksniffers wanting to believe their collection is worth something when their playing is not worth paying for.
@yaminub
@yaminub Жыл бұрын
The Frankenstrat was a piece of shit (if you really want to get down to it), but Eddie made it work and did great things with it.
@willholt100
@willholt100 Жыл бұрын
Glad you covered this, always makes me laugh when this happens and everyone starts complaining to JHS. I literally gave one of these away a couple months ago, it sounded awful, tinny and thin. Just not great at all to me, although I gave it to a friend who has a recording studio so maybe now when bands come in they'll be amazed at him having such a revered pedal.
@Jobotubular
@Jobotubular Жыл бұрын
I tried a similar pedal a couple years ago -- sounded awful in my setup. Put it up for sale. Buyer came in with a different amp (Fender Deville), plugged in, sounded great. EQ makes a difference.
@pizza.doctor
@pizza.doctor Жыл бұрын
Have one since the dawn of time and always liked how it sounds. Amused and surprised at this situation but I have seen it happen many times with other objects
@samcohen2483
@samcohen2483 Жыл бұрын
The Bad Monkey Overdrive is my favorite pedal that I've used for years. I have two of them for my pedal board and spare pedal board. I got them years ago for $60 each. I'm glad that I found out how much I love this pedal before G.P.S.I. (Guitar Player Stupidity Inflation) It is a great pedal all jokes aside, I reccomend turning the bass down and treble up to get a great crunchy overdrive that combines well with other distortion.
@schrubbel
@schrubbel Жыл бұрын
These words are so true... I love Joshes videos and as an intermediate guitarist I learned quite a lot from him. His videos are educational, funny, and (as far as I can tell) authentic.
@jamesrobinson9176
@jamesrobinson9176 Жыл бұрын
Hey, some audiophiles believe that all amplifiers sound the same. .😂
@windintrees5386
@windintrees5386 Жыл бұрын
A goodly number of people - especially bored middle aged people - savor the experience of purchasing things more than anything. Collector cars and golf equipment come to mind. The guitar market is pretty extreme, however, and driven in part by nostalgia and in part by a belief that history has a unique sound that can only be achieved with cash.
@soundseeker2138
@soundseeker2138 Жыл бұрын
Bad Monkeys been a favorite pedal of mine for years. Tried one at GC when they first came out and was impressed. It was a no brainer, especially for the price. Gotta admit that the name is what caught my attention. And yes, I have the Made in USA version, lol.
@stevestevens1457
@stevestevens1457 Жыл бұрын
Sell it to me then 😂
@milosmil
@milosmil Жыл бұрын
Nice and true video. Just checked: there are two Bad Monkey pedals on the local advertising site. One (posted before Josh’s video) costs 60 Euros, and second posted today and listed 250 Euros ! On big cranked tube amp (Marshall for example) in a mix all green overdrives sound the same IMHO.
@andocobo
@andocobo Жыл бұрын
All Josh did was show that you can make a Bad Monkey sound like a single tone you can achieve on the Klon, and a single tone you can achieve on the TS10 etc, within the context of a mix. Almost any overdrive can match a single tone you can achieve on a range of other overdrives within the context of a mix - there is absolutely nothing special about the Bad Monkey. Another way to look at it is that he just made the Klon, TS10 etc sound like specific tones a Bad Monkey can achieve. I really think he could make videos like this for every overdrive on the market.
@bowel_movement
@bowel_movement Жыл бұрын
The point is "you don't need to splurge 5 grand on a pedal, use what you have and you'll sound great." Whatever difference there is, you won't hear it in a mix. Use an EQ to shape whatever drive you have and you're golden.
@HuddleAdventures
@HuddleAdventures Жыл бұрын
Josh did the ultimate trolling experiment.
@njp2k914
@njp2k914 Жыл бұрын
My first 2 pedals were both digitech one of these and a screamin blues which I actually prefer!
@sixstringtv1
@sixstringtv1 Жыл бұрын
As someone who wanted one after that video, yes we are stupid
@hahahadracula
@hahahadracula Жыл бұрын
you disappoint me son, I expected more of you.(/s) But you are more gear related so hey why not!
@daemonspudguy
@daemonspudguy Жыл бұрын
We truly are a stupid bunch.
@j_freed
@j_freed Жыл бұрын
This video is a derivative work of a Henning P video featuring a highly adjustable tube screamer copy. Which is stupid for most people to buy unless they don’t have a tube screamer.
@Aaronius_Maximus
@Aaronius_Maximus Жыл бұрын
I've had the Bad Monkey on my board for the past decade until the other day I replaced it with a "Longsword" overdrive. It's really funny watching Josh affect the pedal market though lol - maybe your video will bring the prices back down and counter it
@NedJeffery
@NedJeffery Жыл бұрын
Now's a good time to sell.
@switchp8286
@switchp8286 Жыл бұрын
I'm also reminded of the TS7. It was kind of hidden knowledge back in the day that there really wasn't any difference between it and the TS9, so you could get the same sound for a 1/4th the price. Looking now it sells for almost what a TS9 retails for. I'm not sure what the TS7C is but I'm guessing it's not worth over $300 like reverb suggests either lmao.
@jorriffhdhtrsegg
@jorriffhdhtrsegg Жыл бұрын
two resistors clipped off job. Whoo i bought one for ten pounds and a decade later sold it for fifty, after the mods though.
@auntjenifer7774
@auntjenifer7774 Жыл бұрын
I can't trust Josh on this one with his "kemper experiment" because he's been known to have no qualms with pulling the wool over our eyes.
@robertevans2143
@robertevans2143 Жыл бұрын
Best tone = no pedals.
@wallacehoward2792
@wallacehoward2792 Жыл бұрын
JHS: "You don't need expensive pedals to get good overdrive. Even a Bad Monkey is fine." Guitar Players: "Got it. We need to make Bad Monkeys expensive." JHS: "No. Any decent OD pedal is fine. Stop wasting money." Guitar Players: "Can I buy your Bad Monkey? Do you have the box? Which year is it? I heard the ones with a darker green paint are better."
@g.koch.
@g.koch. Жыл бұрын
"The heavier version sound better due to more matter of the enclosure that effects the overall tone through better grounding" "it's out of a solid chunk of metal, not some aluminium" 🤣
@EasyHeat
@EasyHeat Жыл бұрын
BTW, kudos on that pre lawsuit era LP behind you! Looks like an Ibanez? Fine guitar IMO. Nice taste.✌🤟🖖
@chrisegonsearlemusic
@chrisegonsearlemusic Жыл бұрын
This is the most I've ever laughed at a thumbnail and title. Bravo sir.
@thatonemisfit172
@thatonemisfit172 Жыл бұрын
Us guitar players are like "OoOoOo new gear must buy". Our buddy will look at us and be like "bruh that's 5 grand" then we'll be like "a small sacrifice for tone" 😂
@6Stringers
@6Stringers Жыл бұрын
I love what he does. He's tapped in to the compulsive, consumerist tendencies this modern society has and is shining a spotlight on its absurdities. I've felt like this for years, even before the days of the YT product pushers, laughing at the silliness of how many different ways an industry can rebox and reface the same effect, or amp, or guitar, etc, and people just clamour for it simply for the bragging rights of having the 'latest and greatest'. And if it gets celebrity power behind, its even worse. Josh is absolutely right, and the internet trolls hate being called out lol
@ramonespinoza7661
@ramonespinoza7661 Жыл бұрын
I bought a behringer tube overdrive after play with a ts9 and the behringer side to side, sound the same for me in the music store.
@Zundfolge
@Zundfolge Жыл бұрын
The truth that Josh uncovered is not that the Bad Monkey is "as good as a Klon" its really that virtually ALL overdrive pedals are "good enough". Of course Glenn should be along shortly to shout "what speakers was he using!?" ... which is probably a more important question.
@theothertonydutch
@theothertonydutch Жыл бұрын
Yes, but ultimately also the answer is "good enough".
@I.am_Groot
@I.am_Groot Жыл бұрын
Good point. A great speaker with some nice warm tubes behind it is magic at the flip of a switch. I have a nice DOD IceBox Chorus that I have learned to start off with 'and its not for sale' before people hear it because its just a great pedal. I got it with a few other pedals have about $20 in it
@dunxy
@dunxy Жыл бұрын
If he was using speakers at all? He pretty well just uses Kemper these days. It sits behind Addison.
@cathybannister1311
@cathybannister1311 Жыл бұрын
Those cheap “archetype” Digitech pedals were going for 30 Canadian, second hand where I live. Haven’t checked the prices recently, because everybody has so many of these around here.
@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it
@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it Жыл бұрын
prices of ALL pedals went up in price since 2018. i remember wanting BOSS DS2 but i hesitated and didnt buy it, now i really want one and it costs almost 2x its pervious price
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