This is why DC deaths require footage to appeal in the discord so the mods can verify things. Like if the cause of death was absolutely caused BY the disconnect (disconnecting underwater while at good health then drowning as a result of trying to get back on) then I agree there can be an appeal. If it looked like you were dead regardless of being disconnected (hehe i ran into 5 mobs and then unplugged my modem out of fear), you're staying dead. Also on Pawful's death, it took so long to reconnect cause it's server side, not slow PC. The server is trying to figure out where the hell to put their character after falling through the world

Just to clear up the "slow" PC in both clips. They aren't slow PC's necessarily, I have a new PC, SSD and everything, takes max 2 seconds to load the game. But if you get DCed depending on the reason, it will load slower when you try to log in or outright not let you get back in and get stuck in the loading bar.

I think both of the last 2 clips should be appealable. It's very common to DC while in the water and resurfacing. That last clip was more of a glitch death than a disconnect death.

Honestly. No. When Blizzard opens up the Hardcore Servers we're not going to be able to appeal things like this anymore so we should be prepared for losing characters. Much like life a freak accident can happen and you can die at any moment. That's life, That's the ball game we're all playing. We don't get do-overs - and trust me, I wouldn't wanna hear it either when/if I die at a high level due to a d/c - but you got to have the mental fortitude to keep going again. When you strike out it doesn't matter if the sun was in your eyes. Only guaranteed level you get in Hardcore is level 1 and the only level that matters is 60.

The rule has already been hashed out regarding DCs. If you character was in serious danger of dying when you disconnected than it stands and if it wasn't than it can be overturned. The point of HC is to test your in game abilities, not your internet connection.

What UI is the hunter in the first clip using? Looks like classic but then has common abilities and enemy health bar/effect as well

Those long loading screens are not entirely caused by the PC. Back in legion blizz changed how loading worked. Which resulted in people going from having decent loading screen to having loading screens that took a long time, and some even all the way up to 5 min. Cause of this you had 2 choices to shorten them. Either you bought a SSD and put the game on it. Or you used the ' SET worldPreloadNonCritical "0" ' command ingame, which would shorten the time on loading screen but at the cost of certain textures/models not being loaded in and in some cases even lock the camera in place (was still possible to move around using minmap until all camera stuff was loaded). I never understood why blizz even made this change. It just ended up annoying people alot and forcing people to buy SSD's (they were not cheap at the time of the change).

In the past week or so blizz NA servers have had micro disconnect issues that you need to restart your pc to fix. There was a large amount of deaths because of it.

*dies from intentional pvp flagged* “I WAS GREIFED!!!!!”

3:15 there's always a higher level troll hunter ready to gank you. Always.

no cap i'd just never invite a rogue to a group in HC bc lord knows they gonna vanish and let everyone die at the first sight of danger meanwhile if its a warrior they have no choice but to try to fight which is only gonna help your chance of survival

that tauren warrior coudve just jumped on the roof xD

Anyone know what mod that first hunter is using for his player and target panes?

The long load screens after a DC do not mean a slow pc, its just game is confuzed

Yeah u should appeal disconnects especially a double disconnect under water and this edge case of unplugging your modem when in trouble is irrelevant

That swifty clip hits different considering i just lost a lvl 23 hunter to those same guards, while i was running down to Rachet, looked away for like 10 secs with cheetah on.

Lmaooo that dude dying on the missing diplomat and trying to claim “grief”

In the event of a server crash private hardcore servers usually just role back a few minutes to before the crash happened , if you DC on your end then that’s on you

I believe it wasn't a potato PC summoning the loading screen boss, I believe it was the server trying to figure out "whe'r the hell he at...".

The on going issues on NA with DCs have resulted in myself quit playing the game. Nothing is more frustrating that being on the flight path to somewhere, DC, log in while you're not recording, fall to your death. happened on my 2nd enh shaman. in fact, all my deaths have come from DC on any person beyond lv 20. It is so frustrating that Blizzard has such terrible servers that the leak of HC in the next SM2, I cannot say i will play as the servers at Blizzard are easily DDOS and they do not have a system in play to do simple things like while in flight you have a slow fall buff all the time for 30 seconds, or when you lose connection, the character to 100% remove aggro from the mob and disappear temporaily into a void that prevents death, even from drowning until you load back in and it goes back to the HP you were at when you D/C when you log on. I do not understand why it is so hard to have a character disappear from your game when you lose connection to it.

lmao ppl in 2k23, flags for pvp, gets killed "i got griefed"

1:36 LOL! I have played Horde since day one for many years. On my first hardcore toon I actually intentionally ran right in XR forgetting I was Alliance. But, I survived. I have the clip somewhere.

How I see DC death is that if the DC is the actual cause and you can prove that you D/C before dying then it should be appealed. The fact that he D/C 2x before drowning would be enough for me to say "yeah, that was on the game" but if he died just because of the ping that would count because you should know that classic/game does that. If he only D/C once then maybe I would say it does count and he is dead for reals. Again it's a case by case thing and why HC WOW should never be official because blizzard can barely handle normal tickets. No way are they going to be able to look into millions of appeals.

14:40 You just got my respect, for being willingly not appealing.

this irrelevant but the music at 2:23 is "Spooks Of Halloween Town" from Kingdom Hearts 1

Dc’s should be appealable, at some point rules only go so far and we have to respect the honor system, that player will know in his heart and mind if that character is legit. That has to be on there conscious. A Dc is completely out of the players control (granted that player didn’t force the Dc) and to say that because of that you lose everything is in my opinion is out side the spirit and point of hc. Game mechanics are one thing, spawns and server issues happen but a straight disconnect… what can you do, there’s nothing you can physically do to prevent that other then having the fastest pc you can and logging on asap to get back to the action. I think I’ve made my point, in my opinion I would never look down at someone who appealed a Dc on there toon. I’ve never had to do it myself but still if I had to I would still believe that character is legit

I’ve attempted to level 2 hard core characters, first was an orc warrior. I leveled it to 28 and a L60 undead rogue kited south shore guards to me and griefed me. The addon insta appealed me but I didn’t care. I deleted the toon BECAUSE I DIED. My second hardcore character is a human warrior that’s still alive and is currently level 36. Appeals are for the weak. Your character is mortal. Official hardcore servers will not have appeals. Learn to play now regardless of internet connections and griefs.

Maybe it's different on EU, but on NA we've had days where it's non-stop disconnects and the issue is on Blizzard's end. That Rogue easily lives there without the d/c, they escaped the mob and died because they were 1s too slow. For me that should definitely be appealable. If they release an official Hardcore server and it's getting as many d/c's as currently with no kind of protection it will not be a fun time. A compromise could be that d/c is changed so that it automatically refills your breath meter.

Taking the L should always be the first response for no other reason than personal satisfaction: You want to know when you're playing Hardcore/Ironman that your character doesn't have a permanent blemish in the form of a "technical" death, and losing characters is part of the game mode. THAT BEING SAID, DC and bug related deaths should absolutely be appealable, especially on characters with a lot of time put into them. Adults with jobs value the time they invest in hardcore characters, and when the death was because of something completely out of their control, it feels like a spit in the face to be told to "just go again". No, the game should "just work" and you shouldn't have to lose hundreds of hours of progress because the game decided to have a hissy fit.

That man gasped like he was actually drowning. 😂😂😂😂

Hardcore is hardcore. Death is final. No other hardcore game allows for appeal. You die, you die.

I can't think of a single game that has a HC mode that has death appeals, I don't mind the ability to appeal, but it's not something I would require if we ever get official servers.

DC deaths should be appealable because most of the time its Blizzard server fault. However I think you have to look at it case by case, needs to be recorded and if someone has died to DC like 5 times, its probably their own internet or doing it on purpose and they should consider taking the L. Official hardcore servers will probably not have that option but hopefully there won't be so many DCs.

Die Ladezeit ist bei solchen Bugs/DCs immer sehr hoch. Egal wie stark die Rechenleistung des Rechners ist...

DC deaths should be appealable because death by DC isn't an intended part of the game and can't be outplayed or prevented.

If you die in diablo hc you die from a dc

I think the rules they've already established around DCs seem pretty fair.

The amount of people going “Quit having fun!” Over hardcore is lmao

1:24 How did he make it to 58?

I played hardcore before it had a name. From 2008 to 2021 I played WoW, and I always deleted and started over upon death. I can't play any other way. I've tried to play after a death, but I just couldn't bring myself to continue. It didn't feel right, and I would lose interest in the character. In all that time, I managed to get to max level twice. DC deaths were just an occupational hazard. During WotLK, I had a 78 level character die while in Howling Fjord killing wolves for LW leveling due to a disconnect. I contacted a GM to see if they could erase the death on my stats, but he didn't get it. He was like, "What's the big deal? Just rez and keep on going." He thought I was strange. And don't get me started on the UC elevators. I once lost a 57 level on one of those. Talk about rage quitting. I didn't play for over a month after that.

I think DC deaths should be appealable when video evidence is present and it's obvious that if the DC hadn't happened the character would've (likely) survived. So a DC when you're in a bad spot already, should only be appealable in an edge case like that last clip, where multiple game bugs stacked to screw over the player. I don't think pawful would've survived even without a DC, but they could've, so I think it should be appealable, especially because it's obvious that the bugs were not caused on purpose. DCs without video evidence are and should always remain un-appealable.

Me watching these loading times like damn that’s quick 😢

What’s the point of HC if you can’t appeal a death from disconnecting? Is HC an ingame challenge? Or is it a challenge where you’re up against your ISP and God himself? Appeals for DC are the main reason why HC servers will never happen in any form similar to playing with the addon. Blizz will not be paying anyone to look at appeals.

Turtle wow server's rules are BIS on the HC mode.

You should be able to appeal, but anything slightly suspecious shouldn't be accepting. That being dc'ing in sketchy situations.

11:56 He lost 5 seconds here. He would have lived if he was on his toes. A DC is just a reaction time minigame. You sleep you weep.

Way WAY too many DC's and layer spawn occurrences for it all to be just merely coincidental... 😕

Guzu never grew up with an unstable connection lol, "ITS AN ONLINE GAME"

Alot of underwater deaths can be avoided by doing the Threshwackonator quest. Those 5 30min underwater breathing pots are enough to get you through nearly all the areas where you spend alot of time underwater to quest.

I get DCd all the time WHILE killing mobs. Haven't died yet but it should absolutely be appealable. There's so many DDOS attacks happening on top of it.

Problem is, if dying to a dc in diablo happens, you are out of luck. its a risk you take in the game.

i had the same underwater DC sometime now its Blizzard teleport and speedhack protection. DC you

Imo if you do a HC dungeon with a rogue or hunter you are being foolish. They will abandon you to die far before all hope is lost. I want people who are all in and, going to stand their ground. Not pretend to be dead the second shit goes wrong.

How some of these players even get to those levels on HC is mind boggling

I honestly can't think of a valid reason for any appeals to ever be accepted. If you get "griefed", you weren't paying attention and being careful enough. If you fall victim to a bug, you should know better. If you D/C, that's too bad. There's no way that can be a legit excuse. It's abusable.

I get why people want many things appealable, esp the grief aspect. I like the challenge more if it’s a “you die any way, you die”. Shoutout to the true hardcore characters w/ 0 deaths.

That hunter priest duo would of killed that so easily if the priest just MC’d one of the elites until it got killed by the others

that french druid healers ui tho xD

DC and deaths by griefers should be appealed, but only really bad DC deaths, unlike the Payo clip yesterday where he gave up and did not even try, knowing he would get an appeal.

theres no sound, playing ff music in the background lmfao

Lmao, so in the last two clips, first Guzu explains that DC/bug should not be appealed. And in the last clip - concerning his friend who died to DC/bug - then suddenly it should be appealed. Imo both should be appealed. The guy in the water got DC because of this shitty buggy water. But I don't like when someone has opposite way of thinking depending on the context. Double standards..

What does he mean when he says a bok ?

Think they only appeal DC if you could of easily lived the encounter.

FF6 music love it

"fear fear fear the mob" yeah the guy was probably thinking he was 100% dead if he feared the mob potentially pulling more

the long loggin are windows doing this - happened to me with 8 gb videocard and 16 gb ram . or blizzard doing some anticheat check and then the antivirus reacting to the blizzard check

He fell through the world which auto DC's you, as he kept falling and thus kept moving it meant the server could not sync his position correctly resulting him in being unable to log in. (flight paths are hard coded movements so it can still lock onto those). After he then landed and died within a "non terrain" or "under the world", the server moved his corpse to the nearest anchor teleport point which was just outside the horde AB cave. He died not because of a DC, but because of an obvious bug, which to me, is just extremely unlucky, but still a bug which would be really dangerous to grant appeals on. Once you set a president that "bugs" can be appealed, the poor dudes who review the appeals are gonna get swarmed with appeal requests.

I think DC deaths should not be appealable at least when official HC servers come out as it would be too easy to have a lag switch you flip when you know you are in a bad situation like that druid, DC and die, then come back and say oh it was the DCs fault. IF, the whole server goes down or has issues they should have a buff that goes out and protects you from death and lets you revive but only if it is a server wide issue. If it is your internet provider then tough luck that's how all HC games are.

If you can't appeal deaths that you can't prepare for or anticipate at all then there's no point playing.

I think it should be cause you can be killed within the loading screen if you dc in a bad spot

there should be no appeals such as in Diablo. This is probably the reason why we are not having blizzard hardcore servers yet.

The DC has to be in a situation where it is likely that you would have lived. So pulling 4 elite mobs and going to 20% health --> DC would not be appealable.

The HC addon makes me DC twice in a row everytime I login the same as the guy in the water clip. After the 2 dcs I dont DC for as long as I play. It isn't an internet issue it is the addon this should be appealable

He should of reset it all once that mossflyer got him..

Disconnects, glitches, bugs etc. The game of vanilla was never made to be played HC. If the rules of HC as they are, wont take this into account into the rules, then HC is just a fly atm. Most ppl will probably play on different HC servers with different rules and all the chars under the current HC set will be forgotten.

This is why wow doesnt have hc mode and is not vital for it .

A DC shouldn't be able to be appealed, if that is the case you can just plug pull when you know you bit off more than you can chew.

DC deaths is a part of the vanilla gameplay. Even if you fall tru the world and die, you still died and have to start over.

Swifty has always been bad.. One of the greatest disappointments of my Classic "carrer" was grouping up with Swifty and realizing that... Also no, deaths shouldn't be appealed.

so if one guy scams the system and disconnects on purpose you should vilify everyone who doesn't have a crisp and pristine internet connection?

with the video I think the DC should be appealable. he did everything he could to save his char and continue and it was purely out of his control.

The quest that flags you pvp, and then getting killed by a passing horde player should never be appealable. that's not griefing

not allowing appeals is ridiculous. they should require video evidence, and be subject to a board of approaval. simple

no death is death sometimes shit happens thats fair and unfair

there will be ZERO appeals on the official hardcore servers blizzard doesnt have the staff and if they hold streamers hands and do it for them only people get get pissed and not play. all i cant is classic fresh start not hardcore.

they should be the only ones that can be appealed.

I am a no appeal extremist. No appeal under any circumstances.

7:23 easy strat, mind control pull and let the other ogres kill it after the mc ogre dies, trap one and kill the boss if trap breaks before killing boss, fear it priest didn't nkow how to game honestly

Unless its on blizzards end, no.

i want to see your reaction of your own death in zf please

With footage DC should be appealable but without no

Anyone who is against appealing has never gotten past level 30.

Dont get me wrong....id love if Blizz released HC servers..... but all these crybabys aint gonna be able to appeal shit when dying.

Yo they got to do something for this crap

Pretty sure if HC servers become a thing. Just like Diablo HC no death is going to be appealable, so just start over

Defeats the purpose of it being hardcore.

It's impossible to die as a hunter. How? just how?

last one should be appealed for sure. i mean wtf even happened there? the frog went under the ground?

That first quest is so ass, I hate it. Gotta fudge the leash so u don't fight all of them

It’s so funny people talk about the legitimacy of the appeal. No other HC game allows you to appeal ever. If you die, you die.