The preziosa, so elegant. Plus Elisabetta is a super generous kind person and athlete ❤

The Preziosa and... the Worley !

I love the Culussi and the Presioza

Preziosa

Li spin, always 😊

True! How do we distinguish the gymnasts unless they are Simone?

Downgrade the aerials and cap the non-rebounding CVs would solve the problem😂

I totally agree! I'm actually bored with the routines because you know exactly what they're going to do with an exception here or there. I miss originality, elegance, splits, leaps, various mounts, actual skills!!!! I know our team has tremendous talent and I'm so very proud of them but it's just gymnastics as a whole that I wish would change. Just my opinion. Go back to the artistry, not predictability!

Same with a mounting skill of C or greater.

This was a requirement back in 2001 and most gymnasts did a basic scale to comply with the requirement. We didn’t see any amazing variety. Very few people did handstands.

The artistry is gone it’s so sad

CR won't change anyway. Make it a counting element will change. And cap the non-rebounding CV.

I agree with you. The Code of Points has destroyed any type of creativity on any element in gymnastics. Sad state of affairs.😢

I think I did gymnastics for like... 2 years, when I was maybe 4? Aaaand mainly I just did whatever we were supposed to in order to get to leap into that foam pit.... No "apparatus" leading up to it? Well, no "skill" - pretty sure I just scuttled along that tiny, 6" off the ground, 1/2 length beam then did some sorta EXTREMELY not graceful "dive/splat" into that pit.... Then usually wallowed around in that smelly crap (is that stuff when you think about it I mean it's not like they clean the FOAM PIECES in the FOAM PITS every week, right?! Gross lol) Yeah there's definitely a reason I got into horseback riding and jumping instead..... Lol

I think I saw someone a while back propose just giving a certain bonus to every skill a gymnast performs that was not a submitted element by any other gymnast, or more than one or two, the year before. So if no one has done a Teza I in 20 years, a gymnast who does it now will get its value plus a flat bonus, like a .1 for rarity. Maybe the bonus can even be linked to letter rating but that might be dangerous.

@@alizah8042 idk, a lot of these skills require years to master. I think that would encourage unsafe practices just for the sake of extra tenths. Plus it would also make it so that everyone would be performing the same skill one year and then everyone moves on to the next easier skill the next year, and so on. I doubt it would actually generate diversity. It would also punish the one gymnast who was actually original to begin with by having everyone else in the field do their skill because it's an easy extra tenth. When it comes to beam I think something that might work is banning skills from fullfiling composition requirements. For example: like 90% of gymnasts get their spin requirement from doing wolf turns or a simpe standing spin with leg below horizontal (valued at A, the easier thing you could do to simply fulfill this requirement and move on). So if you're no longer fulfilling that requirement that way then you're forced to look into either other types of spins (L, Y, doubles, etc) or look into other skills that fullfil the requirement like the hip circles, jumping spins, flares. Same thing could be said for something like dance combination cannot be fulfilled by a switch leap + switch half, which everyone is doing too. On the long run I think people will experiment and after a couple quads everyone will be doing the most optimal or easier thing. So that would probably not be a long lasting solution. You could also add more composition requirement but I feel like the same thing would happen. The root cause of the change lies on the open ended system. Under the 10 you could do a 10 routine with a lot less difficulty than nowadays so people could play around with pretty, original, but inefficient skills(difficulty wise). Nowadays if you do that you're shooting yourself in the foot competitively. Everyone is trying to get as much difficulty as possible in the most efficient, less demanding way and with skills that minimize possible execution deductions. Naturally there will be skills that align with those characteristics and everyone will be doing them to be competitive.

@@jodavitowI think banning things from fulfilling requirements is just as unsafe. But maybe there is a happy medium. You said it's not ideal but if you add back in a scale/balance requirement, and then also add in an originality requirement that can be fulfilled by doing any lesser completed skill. And to counteract the punishment for originality, definitely at the very least if you do a skill you submitted you should get bonus points in recognition for your innovation. If connections are still valued the same then adding in more components makes more room to think about routine composition, to connect skills or not to Connect skills, etc. I think that would encourage more creativity without encouraging gymnasts to go so far as to attempt things that are unsafe.

Yes it also makes the gymasts weirdly replaceable since all personality has been eradicated from it.

One gymnast did a video where she tried training this mount, but was too scared to try it off of practice mats. I don’t blame her, but I think the mount might have been possible for her if she tried landing on the beam closer to her butt, rather than her lumbar.

Are you implying the Wolf turn (that happens exactly 32 seconds into every single routine) isn’t the epitome of “variety & creativity”? 😂

@@YuckyMama How could I forget?! That *IS* the epitome of brilliant, photographic moments in gymnastics! I can’t wait until gymnasts begin doing wolf spin dismounts off the bars. Wolf spin vaults soon to come. 😆 Edit: I prefer to call them spins versus turns as most the gymnasts I see practicing them in person look absolutely lost as if they have no sense as to where they are, thus giving them a dizzy, spun appearance.

She was absolutely lovely! And she continued to show incredible flexibility well into her 20’s. I added some of her later stuff to my channel because it’s weirdly hard to find, and she’s so awesome. ❤

But laying on the beam while waving the hands around after a wolf turn looks better. For sure.

Fully agree. I can see them being tough on beam, but seeing them in almost every floor routine is a bit much. I don't blame the gymnasts since doing one can be a better choice than a D-level pass at times, but there are so many other skills that could take it's place lol

I'm not a fan, and they have their place, but they should be downgraded compared to an upright turn on releve. With Wolf turns you can sit on your heel and it also lowers your centre of gravity. When I used to play on beam I could do a Quad Wolf Turn ( yes, I'm a boy lol ), but Upright Triple (Okino) was so much more inconsistent.

Yeah that's why no one other than Phillips herself performed it. Most gymnasts don't have that insane level of flexibility and only usually enough for the requirements.

Or rhythmic gymnasts, even there there's more focus on physical rather than that now

I think it’s horrible. Each to his own!

A few Canadian mounts not mentioned are the Rankin named after Canadian Janine Rankin, Jackie Bender had a very unique mount, as did Yvonne Tousek. I loved their different mounts.

Wolf turns are the worst. So ugly. Can't wait for them to go out of style.

I think it’s because the legs are not together, like one leg is always first. I think it would look better as a cartwheel (there’s a move similar where it’s one leg then the other),

more people just think normal onodi is better

@@spocony.krasnolud Thank you that’s what it’s called. The onodi looks much better to me.

No one thinks wolf turns look good, it’s just the onodi looks better.

I totally agree with everything you say regarding Wolf turns. We are all sick of them (I mean, if you’re going to give them a high value, then at least deduct for the crazy arms). I do disagree about the 15/16 values for scoring. Getting stuck on an absolute number led to the high-level stupidity of the 10.0 cap system. (I can get on a real rant about NCAA scoring). As a fan, I enjoy seeing women push the sport and any sort of plateau takes away the incentive to do so (the E cap on UB transitions means all innovation on those skills has come to a halt, same with the “dance elements” cap). So personally, I say let the women keep pushing the sport so that in 20 years, a score of 20 is just “good”.

A hold requirement will just make everyone do the simplest and fastest hold so they can continue with their routine and everyone will be doing the same thing again. That won't work. Kind of how everyone either does a simple spin for the requirement and move on or they do a wolf turn. Also I think woulf turns are properly valued at E. The actual problem is the E cap on dance skills which make it not worth doing other types of triple (or even double) spins. A double scorpion turn could easily be an F skill, same for a double ilusion but it's just not worth doing them because of the E cap.

Just make hold a counting element, and require wolf turns to have horizontal free leg throughout (and so disappear😎). Gymnasts are punished in D score for not doing a clean wolf turn now.

Yeah they’re kinda boring

World Championships final last year actually had a ton of great routines with all kinds of different styles of gymnastics! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g6qKpNSHq7C2gYU.html

I miss the Amanar . Seems to go out of fashion lately.

@@leelab8307 it got unreasonably devalued to the point it is not worth doing unless you can do it like a Simone or a Maroney, which most people can't. A very clean DTY will score better.

Yeah with straight legs

I ruined my body in the 1970s with the extreme back flexibility. I didn't know I was ruining it then, but now? My knees were the first to go, before I was 30 and my Dr tells me my spine looks like I had a long career in professional football (US). But I did love to flex and I did love to fly.

Who cares what the name is 😆. Biatova or not. Any female gymnast doing those circles on beam are amazing. Extremely difficult and rare

Please send an email to FIG for complaint so they can stop punishing gymnasts for not doing a wolf turn in D score.

The channel owner was just saying that many gymnastics fans don't like the move which is somewhat true. Many prefer the onodi since it's viewed as being "prettier". I personally love both even though the onodi is one of my all time favs. Would love to see the worley back

Though each move depends on the artist’s balance…

The problem is the E cap on dance elements. A triple wolf turn at E is fine. A triple Y turn at E is absolutely not fine. That should be like a F/G. Also I don't thing composition requirements will do anything. Everyone will just do the same simplest/more efficient skill to fulfill it and move on. If anything, after a couple quards it just might create even more skills that eveyone and their mother is doing.

@@jodavitow If FIG makes it a counting element, they will do the hold as hard as possible.

@@cocoroni1031 that's a good solution. You're right

They do but people don't use them

Um…many of the gymnast are flexible, are you dumb? Even the ones who aren’t as muscular may not be able to reach a certain amount of flexibility. Bffr.

Shilese Jones does it (standing) and Qiu Qiyuan does it combination

@@gymnasticsmasterclass Thanks! Qui Qiyuan's combination is very impressive! They both land it a bit low, though, compared to Viktoria Komova (2012 Olympics QF).

I've been watching over 50 years and I'm not bored yet. When does the boring start?

@@rosee7011When "bored" is another word for "too many black girls." (Not saying being racist is their mom's issue... but it's definitely a problem with the older generations). If anything, gymnastics is more exciting.

@@vanessarayfox You are spot on😉

@@vanessarayfox Gymnastics is WAY more exciting... but I was excited about Elvire Teza too. I would love to see anyone bring back some of her skills, only I don't care what color they are. I'm sicilian, so I'm liked by neither b or w in merica.

Rhythmic Gymnastics is artistic!