What is it like racing a worked 450 at 145 pounds? - "A 450 barely knows I'm on the bike! - Gyps...
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2 жыл бұрынWhen you are 145 pounds, the perfect bike to be on is a factory 250F... If you are not on one of the factory teams though, it is hard to spend the money required to up a worked practice bike especially in summer. This means guys like Coty Schock take their chances in a stacked 450 field for outdoors. At 145lbs, Coty shock is a little dude on a big bike!
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@joemate418 2 жыл бұрын
get carson brown on the show!
@therealjd1503 2 жыл бұрын
Great podcast with Cody, much love!!
@leethomas556 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I'm 37, haven't been able to ride since 2012 but now I'm 60 pounds lighter at 150 now and just got a 250 after spending all my time on 450's since 02 and I'm not sure I'd want a 450 anymore
@NOPPYify 2 жыл бұрын
K
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
At 150? Probably not. At 200, I’d go 450
@jasonschwartz9481 2 жыл бұрын
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam I think it depends on your goals. As a 44 year old who's just under 6' and weighs 205ish...a 250 works fine. Of course, even when I raced as a teen I was never the most technical rider. So, I'm sure my riding style has a ton to do with it.
@dasnicenoob6140 2 жыл бұрын
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam I think a 350 is where it’s at but there’s no reason why a new 250 with race mode shouldn’t be enough
@idecidenotyou 7 күн бұрын
150 at 37.. are you starving..wtf..
@devinwright131 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve done that same perfect start as Carson at washougal on my 250, front tire never touched the ground lol. Felt so good.
@johnny_eason_iii 2 жыл бұрын
Totally rad 💪🏼💪🏼😎💯
@aidynbatley5423 2 жыл бұрын
I can relate not weighing alot, im 14 and weigh 105 lbs and im 5'7" so my 125 (2t) will just pick up on the front like im not there at all and it take alot of energy just to get it to lay down in the corner. esp in school boy 1 and 250 C with the big boys in my class. But it is what it is I guess continuing to work out will help
@supergremlin6261 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see coty on a factory bike next year.
@supergremlin6261 2 жыл бұрын
250 I mean. Like to see him on a PC kawi or Star bike. Or shit give Michel Lindsey’s team some of those factory Hondas that the Lawrence brothers been killing it with all year.
@andrewwilson1811 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. He definitely deserves more factory support. If his bike didn’t stop working at southwick and Millville. He would have finished in the top 10 overall at both of them. GET THIS TALENTED KID MORE FACTORY SUPPORT. Btw Coty grew up 2 minutes from where I live
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
@@supergremlin6261 honestly, I think the CRF has been holding them back a bit. I kinda think they are looking forward to the update
@knolysjohnson7244 2 жыл бұрын
Coty is a smart dude! Goodluck to him for the rest of outdoors :)
@johnnyskied 2 жыл бұрын
I moved up the bike scale pretty fast....never raced just rode a lot growing up. Rode my 1st bike, an 89 XR80 from 9-11 and then got a 1986 YZ80 for a year when I was 12. Jumped up to a 91 KX125 when I was 13 and 6 months later my older brother upgraded his CR250 and I already wanted more power. I sold my 125 and bought his 91CR250. I think I had just cracked the 110-115 lb range. I'd ridden my older bros 89CR500 by that point too. 115 lbs on a 500 2t is about as noticeable as a fly landing on a horse😂 Most of our riding was dune riding and open desert. I could put that 500 into 4th gear and lug it anywhere I wanted to go at Sand Mountain in Nevada. 1300 vert sand hill climbs were no match for that bike. Didn't even need paddle tires.
@brucefile7430 2 жыл бұрын
Wardy was around 150 lbs riding a 500 cc two stroke back in the day! He was in amazing shape and was strong enough to hang on. Go back and watch the 1987 millville 500 national between Wardy and RJ. He was absolutely flying down some of those straightaways. To see how fast they accelerated out of corners was amazing...
@ThatDirtyRedneck 2 жыл бұрын
These guys are talking about 4 strokes right? Because a 250 to stroke is comparable to a 450 four stroke right?
@brucefile7430 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatDirtyRedneck yeah, thats the way they see it.
@ThatDirtyRedneck 2 жыл бұрын
@@brucefile7430 I personally like 2 strokes over 4 strokes. They do what a 4 stroke does in 2 strokes.
@brucefile7430 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatDirtyRedneck me too!
@ThatDirtyRedneck 2 жыл бұрын
@@brucefile7430 I just finished rebuilding a vintage 2 stroke. 1989 RMX frame and gas tank but it has a 1988 RM250 engine and plastics, its the faster engine between the two. I guess RMX was trail and enduro and RM was motocross. What do think it's worth, I have no idea but it's very very clean, looks like new and I'd say 85 percent of the bike has new parts.
@KC-gf8is Күн бұрын
im 130 and ride a 450 on trails lol that bike rides me
@danferguson1807 2 жыл бұрын
I love my 450 I'm 57 . 60 kg the power is perfect 2019 crf 450 only thing the holeshot button can only do 1st and 2nd gear I miss my 3rd gear starts
@Marcelo-cc3dj 2 жыл бұрын
You must be the guy who ride 5 min motos fosho😂
@danferguson1807 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marcelo-cc3dj lol never get to moto and yes vets over 40 normally 5 laps hold on for the last lap haha
@bobscott117 2 жыл бұрын
Marvin musquin weighs 140! Big or heavy riders are rare especially champions.
@racerx2084 2 жыл бұрын
Would do better than forkner is this year. Had to say it. He was one of my tops this year but dude hasn’t even got a chance to speak on the mic.
@konzy. 2 жыл бұрын
i havent ridden since 85 days over a decade ago, never ridden 4 strokes. im about the same weight so should i look at 125s, 250s or 350s?
@ThatDirtyRedneck 2 жыл бұрын
Just never buy 4 stroke and keep being a man. Buy CR500 and wide open throttle 24/7 dont let off that bltch. Get a 250 2 stroke they still compete with 450 4 strokes.
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
Curious why this “450 issue” was never such a big deal when RC, bubba and even VP were around. Is it that the bikes are just that much more powerful (10-15%) and that much heavier (10-15%) now? All of those guys were pretty light as well
@Mountain_Yeti 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the opposite: they are so much more linear and “rideable” nowadays. I don’t get it either. I love my 450 because I know I’ll never outride it.
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mountain_Yeti ya, but part of the HUGE complaints we keep hearing is that they are saying they are coming into corners way too fast and it’s much harder to get the bike slowed down (faster and heavier?) and get it turned (heavier?) and so the constant heavy braking is wearing them out. We do hear issues of the power ripping their arms off (like mentioned, never heard Bubba, RC or VP bitching about this stuff) and with the parts that factory teams have, I’m not sure the bikes back then couldn’t be tuned to be just as linear if they wanted (some basic carb mods did wonders for this). 🤷🏻♂️
@seashackf1 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan Hughes talked about how the tracks today are too smooth and maintained too well. Whoops not sharp anymore, too rounded off. So they are carrying more speed everywhere. I’m sure the factory bikes have also improved significantly since RC retired in 2007. Combine the two and I think that’s why people are saying they’re too fast for current tracks.
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
@@seashackf1 good points. Also, we seem to hear the pros talk much more about it for SX and less in MX and seems like we hardly ever hear the euros talk about it (maybe since their outdoor tracks are so much different than ours).
@seashackf1 2 жыл бұрын
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam check out the Ryno interview with Gypsy, he talked about how different Mxgp is from here. Tracks there are much more technical, and riders here won’t do well on them. Also heard a mxgp rider say tracks are very different, they don’t scrub….ever. Tight corner straight into triples.
@MrSilus2000 2 жыл бұрын
I didnt even realize they made 350s
@moparone7962 2 жыл бұрын
Jeff Ward was around 140 and he was racing a works kx500 (sr500). Wrap your head around that.
@ronk6553 2 жыл бұрын
450 has way more juice than a 500 two stroke
@moparone7962 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronk6553 I have a CR500 with an fmf pipe and a 2021 YZ450F and the 500 will wear you out more because of power delivery
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Jeff was a good friend of my Bro’s (he even bought his MXDN kx125 off him, well technically off of Kawi). Not only was Jeff super light, he is very short.
@vaughanhodgson 2 жыл бұрын
The 450s have more pull
@hotdogsoltero571 2 жыл бұрын
At 145 lb I learned to mx on 1982 yz490 😬
@69yourmamma 2 жыл бұрын
Ask cooper Webb he is 4”5
@ronk6553 2 жыл бұрын
4 inches 5?
@denniswilder3014 2 жыл бұрын
The bikes have been the same weight for years.and it isn't much money to get a bike to ama minimum weight and the weights been the same for a long time.if you look at the lap times on most tracks that hasn't changed the layout much the lap times are close to what they where 15 years ago.it comes down to who is mentally and physically prepared that moto.450 is not too fast guys are just not prepared and are off a little then the next guy
@kawigang_2444 2 жыл бұрын
aj is only 140
@unconditionaltruth6564 2 жыл бұрын
If 450s are so much faster, why do the lap times not show it?
@Purified_6r 2 жыл бұрын
bc 450s take more finesse and 250s are more often than not just wide open so it’s way easier
@xrickel559 2 жыл бұрын
450s can get you in trouble quick but there also way easier to save yourself on. if your a physically fit dude anyone can handle a 450 if your talking weight vs a 250. imo a stock 450 is the easiest bike to ride.
@bobscott117 2 жыл бұрын
The weight thing is bullshit It's training and talent. Most motocrossers are not big guys to begin with. Who is the heaviest factory rider and how much does he weigh 170?
@banjoqc 2 жыл бұрын
Marchbanks is 195 lol
@sexatica 2 жыл бұрын
@@banjoqc I wonder how much peick was as that dude was big and he was fast as
@MichaelAMyers1957 2 жыл бұрын
"" I'm cool with jet an Hunter OBviously " like we're all supposed to know that or something
@GYPSYTALES 2 жыл бұрын
Well ya know now
@MichaelAMyers1957 2 жыл бұрын
@@GYPSYTALES wyd
@stevehartwell1861 2 жыл бұрын
Stewart was 155. Power to weight, even up to 200lb rider doesn’t change much, it's in decimals.
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
45-50lbs is a LOT
@GYPSYTALES 2 жыл бұрын
like a lot a lot
@stevehartwell1861 2 жыл бұрын
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam maybe when talking ice cream. Do the easy math. It's not alot, you simply believe it.
@stevehartwell1861 2 жыл бұрын
@@GYPSYTALES that's a no. Do the easy math of rider and bike weight/ HP. Adding 50 pounds and the results are in decimals.
@KosmicHRTRacingTeam 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevehartwell1861 actually, it is an incredible amount of weight when you are talking about such light bikes. People make a huge deal about a KTM being 5-10 lbs lighter and that is lowering in the bike, body weight is much higher up. I happen to race Karts and we have a weight minimum, if you are just 1 pound under, you are DQd. No questions asked. Period. We Try to get within 2-3 lbs when we are done with the heat or main because if you are 5lbs up, it makes a difference. Weight makes a huge difference as far as lap times go, there is no debating that. Even guys in F1 get weighed right after they finish to meet the requirements, and we are talking about cars with over 1000hp!!!
@theboogieman401 2 жыл бұрын
Get Ronnie Mac 🖥
@tonychambers6275 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos but would love a £1 for every time they say like, I’d be a rich man 🙏
@BZMikey88 2 жыл бұрын
Y’all really arguing about weight lol
@adamjones8156 2 жыл бұрын
First
@VincentAmbrosioSalad 2 жыл бұрын
Good for you
@topher804 2 жыл бұрын
@@VincentAmbrosioSalad yeah I'm so stoked for him. What a go "getta"
@Mxrider276 2 жыл бұрын
145lb wtf but alot of these guys are small as shit on 450s toothpicks, just Cadillac lazy racing around the the track, he just has to master throttle control, bike is fast because he's 145lb,when he falls he got issues picking it up etc, that's why when these riders fall they break bones easy, 250s and below, you have to do work this is where dirtbike rider skill comes into play imo.
@beauclose2235 2 жыл бұрын
Being bigger won't necessarily make you more resilient since the extra bodyweight will make you hit the ground harder im 70 kg and I've come out of massive crashes without broken bones I believe less inertia is what saved me
@Mxrider276 2 жыл бұрын
@@beauclose2235 I agree with u im sure ,didn't say or assume bigger anything ,but being that lite your probably going much faster and jumping much higher on a 450 versus ,somebody heavier might be able to man handle the bike and save a crash versus a lighter rider that's not strong enough and at the bikes mercy when things go left on a 450 im talking about imo
@CarePackage-ut3tt 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mxrider276 At this level of riding, it doesn't matter if they are on 125 or 450 they are flying beyond any of our skill and will find a way
@supermalevitality8532 2 жыл бұрын
Smaller guys get fewer injuries from falling and that’s why they excel in motocross lol. I’m 30 and I have crashes and still brush them off and I credit that to being 160lbs and fit
@johnnyskied 2 жыл бұрын
There's a ton of smaller pros. Martin Bros, Zach Osborne, Cooper Webb, Justin Cooper to name a few. The GOAT RC is 5'7". I think JS7 is 5'8
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