Stated with respect. Coordinate ventilation with fire attack, and vent strategically. I'm not sure why there was a firefighter ordered (I am assuming) to break all the windows on the first floor, that supplied oxygen to the fire and created rapid progress and flashover visible on the B and D sides. Any possible victim survivability was lost at that point and would make a full primary search untenable. RESCUE FIRST. I hope they had an all-out report from the homeowner but still... damn. Buy time with an exterior straight stream ceiling burst attacks through a window into the fire room(s) just to darken down and delay fire progression so your interior crews have more time and less fire volume to cope with and preserve rescue options (look to the latest NIST studies on that). Keep the front door closed before you go in with a charged line for firefighter safety and dedicate a firefighter at the front door to man that vent with lighting at the door so crews have a means to find the door if they lose contact with the hoseline. SOGs? Speaking as a training officer and suppression captain in a municipal department, I'd being going back to basics on firefighter and fire officer residential structure fire strategy, tactics and tasks, Accountability, Entry Control and RIT and then SOGs after that. Its unfortunate for that department to have this splashed on KZfaq, I am sure they've done fine work on other fires. My hat is off to any man or woman who takes up the profession, including these firefighters. I'm not perfect, I've had my bad days too. Stay safe.

We're you guys TRYING to burn the house down! Holy Jesus guys come on..

Two hundred years of tradition unhindered by progressive fire fighting methods, that's why. It's the way it's always been done in the USA.

Venting is to decrease the temperature threshold, decreasing the risk of flashover. It also is to help increase visability inside. Just because you start seeing pretty flames on the outside does not mean the fire got worse, just basically gave it a place to go. Trying to direct it in a direction to give the hose team more of an opportunity for suppression. Going in with an uncharged line is the call od the dept. Sucks if you get in their and have water trouble, but it can lead to faster advancement.

Let's break all the windows out and give it lots of oxygen to really getting going good! Total uncontrolled ventilation and attack coordination.

Not a fan of the venting method without having a hose line in place, let a lone not having a charged line through the door . I DO NOT CARE if you say Hackensack is a well respected Fd.. Etc etc. every firefighter knows oxygen feeds fire and this video is a prime example, you can see as soon as a FF vents a window on exposure, 4 the fire takes off. And not going in with a charged line is a huge risk. Risking not knowing if your line has enough pressure , risk of not even getting water if the mpo isn't communicating with the attack team,. Yes They are an aggressive FD But all you buffs that think you know what the fuck you're talking about saying they do nothing wrong and they're perfect you're wrong. No department is perfect and habits are hard to change that's why we train and hope that we learn from mistakes. K.

Two things, im curious as to why the aerial is up against the wires. I realize there are cable lines, but also electrical lines. The firefighters climbing the ladder are bumping into them. Was the power shut off? Also, the PASS alarm is going off and isnt reset for a couple of minutes.

I could be wrong but I thought horizontal ventilation was to be coordinated with the interior crew who was ready with a charged hose line? Just saying they wouldn't of had as much fire if every window wasn't broken before a line was even charged. They put fuel on the fire in the form of oxygen.

these guys paid?

Bad call venting the house like they did! Seemed like it took forever to get water and fireman climbing up latter pushing lines and cables up. Didn't think that was safe either! Glad No one was hurt!!!

more of my take: 3) Those were NOT just cable/phone wires. Look at the video and you can see wires feeding electric meter at front right corner of house. I don't like the aerial placement in the vicinity of wires, especially since there was no immediate need for aerial in that location. House could have been laddered by portables. Roof cutting was not necessary; just take line into attic and operate. It was vented at both ends via windows. 4) Chief was just trying to get a quick look, not enter.

Is This Department Or Volunteer if this is Volunteer This Was Very Organized Thumbs Up

With that structure and those conditions you should ABSOLUTELY NOT enter with an uncharged line. Charge it outside and then advance into house. There is no real advantage to taking line in and then charging it, but there is real risk. Fire is obviously ready to light up, especially considering all of the windows being taken on side 4 or D. Those windows should only be taken once there is a CHARGED line in position.

Why is everyone griping about the lines? Anyone with any sense can see that they are cable/phone lines. No power lines anywhere close. They did what they needed to do and it was perfectly safe.

Can someone please explain the purpose of venting the flames? Doesn't that just give the fire more oxygen so it burns more? Seems counter-productive

To the armchair fire men concerning the wires. Primary wires are the very top of the pole and are the ones that distribute the electricity threw out the city and there are no primary wires on that street. Secondary wires are the ones that are about 3ft from the top of the pole. They come from a transformer and serv a small area usually a str or two and feed houses and str lights. That leaves that mess of wires the firefighters are messing with to be cable and phone lines. Primary wires are always at the very top and can ruin your day

bom dia! esse trabalho foi surpreendente, o tempo de extinção de acordo com o protocolo brasileiro e as técnicas corretas, trabalho em equipe muito bem coordenado pelo chefe.

Take out all the windows with no water on the fire. Good job lmao

Lol..All these negative comments. .This FD probably see's more action in a week then you guy's see in a year!

Its hard to tell, the power lines could be running from or into a transformer meaning they wouldn't connect directly into houses. but either way not really the safest idea

Not trying to criticize, but venting kind of seems like a doubled edge sword. It releases heat & smoke, but at the same time, gives the fire a huge gulp of fresh oxygen, which seems almost equally as bad. Look at 1:36 when he breaks the window and flames start shooting out of the window, and all the flames on the window on the other side. I'd hate to think of what it looked like on the inside while that was happening. I always thought you were supposed to vent from the roof?

why do they not use positive pressure ventilation ? plus they knocked out windows with no charged lines,,,,,,,

It's supposed to be "co-ordinated ventilation" and not what they did here. You co-ordinate with the engine company who has a charged hose line when they are advancing and then begin to ventilate so that you don't have what has happened here - a free burning fire with plenty of oxygen.

The purpose is to release heat from the building, even though it will supply more oxygen the idea is to time that with an aggressive hose attack so that it will be knocked down without turning the inside of the house into a steam cooker.

As a ex firefighter I thought the idea was to break the triangle HEAT-FUEL-AIR, why do they break every window to allow more AIR (oxygen) into the fire,they probably caused more damage, the fire seemed to be confined to a small area of the property until the firecrews decided to introduce more oxygen and fan the flames throughout the building, 3 priciples of Firefighting 1.Save Life,2.Save Property,3.Render Humanitarian Services. The time to ventilate is when the fire is under control.

why is he dragging the ladder at 1:00 ?

good job fire fighter in the lane way,,,break out all the damn windows to allow THE AIR FLOW better to feed the fire. once a hose is there and OPERATING sure

First of all....I was taught some 17 career years ago to NEVER criticize some else's job! Second, Freelancing? I seem to remember a ladder trucks job is ladder, vent, search etc. All of which were done in a timely manner. In a city like Hackensack with older structures that have been renovated countless times, there is never a simple fire. Cities like Paterson, Nwrk, Elizabeth r littred with these houses, kudos to all who go in aggressive, the alt. is a foundation or parking lot.

For one thing, you shouldn't need a Chief for interior command on a two story house. And two, the Chief doesn't have a pack on. Around here a second chief would take the C side of a structure.

Hey Chief, you got good guys, let them do their jobs. You got a radio, use it. You don't have to direct them by the hand. Stay outside where you can see what they can't. You're their safety, they're depending on you. I know you want a taste like the good old days, but that's why a Chief's helmet is white, it ain't supposed to have smoke all over it.

around 1min40sec: entry with uncharged hoseline, horizontal vent with men already inside, and thick gray smoke turning to fire; could have easily led to a close-call situation.

(some departments have more than one chief so one may be interior command and one may be exterior command)

It is counter productive and can produce a flashover or backdraft situation.

It is very easy to spot those who do not know what they're talking about. If life safety is the first priority then ventilation is probably a pretty good idea. Smoke is going to kill any viable victims long before the fire does in most cases. Not to mention the relief it will provide to interior crews, assuming there is an aggressive fire attack accompanying it.

Wow, uncalled for. First, look at the pitch of the roof, very difficult and dangerous to work from ground ladders. Second, electrical hazards abound and until shut down pose a hazard. The fire was chugging pretty good too, so horizontal ventilation is acceptable in this situation. It has nothing to do with putting on a show, everything to do with firefighter safety. We weren't there, popping the windows may have been their best course of action. Give 'em a break.

I see nobody entangling themselves in electrical wires. The only wires they are touching are telecommunications cables. Those are totally safe to touch. Your local cable TV guys do it all the time. The electrical wires are at the top of the pole. If they touched those, they wouldn't alive now.

Actually there are still 120/240 volt wires in the mess he was climbing through, beyond that, firefighters aren't qualified to get that close to a live primary wire without it shutoff.

I think I could have put that fire out quicker with me and a garden hose !!! LOL LOL

In San Francisco, The FD routinely raise ladders in between the live trolly bus wires hanging over the street. Looks crazy, but I've never heard of any firefighters getting electrocuted do it.

Unfortunately that is expensive, and in the US, corporate profits come before safety. As long as the utility companies are making profits, nobody cares about the dangers of it. That, and the fact that we don't generally have the population density, to make it economically feasible to bury all the lines.

As a Firefighter and fan of cars and trucks, the U.S. are the country of boundless possibilities for a little freaky german guy like me. There is onle one massive fail: this creepy cablesalad all over the country, formaly known as wiring for telephone and powersupply scares me, as get laid by Chucky's wife ;-) Comradly greetings from Germany :-)

I'm all for agressive, except when it comes to ventilation. Fire conditions should be evaluated first. There is such a thing as premature venting, which can intensify fire condition. This doesn't help interior team or potential civilian victims.

Here's my take: 1) No way the uncharged line should have been brought into that house under those conditions. It should have been charged outside and then advanced. 2) The member breaking all those wondows was premature. He clearly worsened conditions within structure. The thick dark smoke issuing under pressure was a clear sign that taking glass would cause it to light up. This does not improve conditions inside.

Don't vent till you know there is water on the fire. And most of dont ever go in with a dry line

some people have much larger balls then a hazmat team, while you take an hour getting ready in your suit we dont have all day. hackensack is a very good department, their chief has probably seem more fire than you have putang.

There weren't people in the house right?

i agree,jtacij, firefighter on ladder should not have been there.. we would get fired for that..never enter with out a charged hose line..period.

The power was not shut off. At around 5:50-6:00 you can see the street light still on. I agree that this is a respected fire company, however, tunnel vision needs to be noticed.. Good nobody but one person was transported early for inhalation and burns.. Firefighter? Im not sure. But full PPE is essential in any fire attack. and to JR141K. Dont bash anyone. What gives you the right to say that? I am offering MY OPINION on this video like him. Also, nice time to knock down the fire. Good Job.

breaking windows... good idea... the only problem I see... slow delivery of water to the first line in.

That chief going in the front door with an unzipped coat and no air pack is unnecessary. That old school cowboy mentality bullshit has got to go

From the first ten minutes of this video. What I saw led me to believe. We'd be seeing the intentional abuse of fireground common sense. The chief in charge should turn his badge in. And thank his lucky stars, he's not responsible for allowing what appeared to be...untrained men, to kill themselves. To everyone watching this. THIS VIDEO IS NOT what you should learn to do. HERO's are not the one's who pretend they know what they are doing. And, before anyone asks. Yes. I am retired Firefighter.

es sorprendente esto!!!!

Bom dia!!!! a todos , que conservam a discussão sobre técnicas de combate ao fogo.

Todos deviam aproveitar esse espaço para discutir ideias objetivas e produtivas , para melhorias continuas.

I never knew there was a place called Hackensack Nj

@23HazMat listen.. I agree with you in the aspect of the NFPA SOGs but, you need to realize, the guys here DID get the job done. this is in NJ. Not WV. Next time keep your mouth in check. Offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM and do it nicely. It all works better that way.

why do you risk firemen to vent,why not put a hook or a saw on the end of latter ( remote controlled and with a smal engine to manouver it )

Concordo com você, o ataque interno e a forma mais efetiva do combate nesses caso, um único ponto de ventilação seria o suficiente,não daria origem a chamas, assim, não danificaria mais o imóvel (propriedade).

cable and phone lines. we do the same thing. i work for cable company so if i ascend the ladder i know what to cut and what to avoid. common sense prevails

Yes I am not a fan of ventilation, because oxygen fuels fire. I know we want to try and clear up the smoke during fire suppression. But with new SCBA technology why risk climbing a roof and cause more risk of life. I wish they would develop a boom type saw that can be put up there to cut open the roof for vertical ventilation. You never know if fire is going to pop through with force!

I LIKE THE SHOT OF THE NEW TEANECK PUMPER !!!

I would hope that they knew the power was cut off before doing that.

at 1:29...are you kidding? Entering the house with out a charged line and no back up. 2 in 2 out. Wheres the R.I.T team? At 2:37, the fire fighter on the ladder wasn't breathing air. First rule of fire attack school, the minuet you the ground, you are to be breathing from your SCBA.

this is a well respected fire department in NJ that are know for there aggressive attack they did what they had to do fine job for the man power they have

Really? Then explain why the streetlights are still on? And lights in peoples' houses.

why is new jersey always trying to burn itself down ??

sees no errors, excellent video!

Great knock down HFD. Opinions are like assholes... You boys fought that one quickly and it worked. Monday morning retired quarterbacks may have forgot about Mr. Murphy, so go with what you've got.

@23HazMat Obviously you have time to become an expert on all these things in between the 3 fires you most likely respond to each year. Go back to putting lights on your car and leave the firefighting to them.

That fire was really through the roof

did you not see how quick she flashed or were just not watching. You wait till you have your water, a crew with you, a back up crew with a second line and a R.I.T team on stand by. I would let a building burn to the ground before I risked having one of my men die or become injured. You can re-build a building, but can't bring back the dead. I don't want to be the one to tell someones wife that her husband died because "we had to get the fire" High risk, low reward. Let it burn.

the second stupidest thing is that they didnt have on their breathing masks on either

the power company would have shut off power to the overhead wires.

we do. some neighborhoods are old. so its still the old way. good input though.

This is a cluster f__k!! Where is the safety officer!

Hey. HFD is damn good department, and I have friends on there. I'll make sure they read your comments and advice, so they can do their jobs....... O_o

The Fucking Rookie Draging The GOD DAMN LADDER WTF!

Back room flashes at 1:35

Yea it's Hackensack fire dept

But supervision can learn from the videos... but how do you teach guts to enter a totally black smoke fill room... stay safe

not always the case...

Obviously a remark from someone who never got "lit up" from no vetilation.

ive never seen so much freelanced firefighting in my life, well except from boonton.....

yes and ive done that to never heard the end of it

That's your opinion. However other departments do things differently. Your opinions on a youtube video doesn't matter to Hackensack FD. If that's your opinion fine, I don't care, neither does 90% of the other people on this comment section. In the future I hope you realize you should just let it go. It happened, it's not your department so saying stuff like that isn't going to matter. Just make sure you are the fireman you want to be, stop trying to change others to your point of view.

And yes U.S. firefighters do put on a show! Why? Because we're sexy and we get the job done so take notes. So hold on to Soccer cause it's all you'll ever beat us in. LOL

Explain the streetlight that is lit up the next pole down then...

im not a fireman, but these guys do alot of errors, 1, uncharged water hose's, and 2. Breaking windows ( iminent Fire explosion due to Oxygen /fire fuel ) 3. Ladder vs Powerlines?? then leaving the ladder, with Fire spewing, Where is the hose???. 4 overall phase, Elderly people would work faster!

You might want to reply to his comment so he knows you're talking to him.

Only thing I seen that wasn't good was entry in the front of the structure with a charged June for Atleast 15s?? Other than Tht great attack guys. Glad everybody went home at the end of the day. SFD19

Man at 10:00 that just made me cringe, that has to be one of the stupidest moves I've ever seen.

yes it would and that's part of there rue teen is to smash the windows to let the smoke out an all the fire men in the world are trained to do that kinda stuff so ya that's what they have to do btw ur house is going to be destroyed by the fire anyways and they have to do what they have to do

sure all the power in the lines would be cut off

Nice work to the fellas in Hackensack! IAFF L-1567

They would have cut the power to do that otherwise he would get fried.

Great clip

Why are they just smashing the windows when they arrive, surely this is just gonna fuel the fire? Why not try and put the fire out before they do anything. Would not like these firemen near my house!!!

A blast of water through a window or door will not push and fire or create steam if done correctly. You have to overpower the heat source. It doesn't take a fire college or UL to decide that. It only takes common sense. Water cools and drenches fuel. Materials in adjacent rooms have to reach their flash point to ignite.

Why in the world would you entangle yourself in electric wires!!!??? That was plain stupid. Not trying to be a computer chief, but I woulda had somebodys ass for that. Goes against every safety rule from the academy. WOW!!!!!

US fire departments always have to put a big show on don't they,they turn the simplest of jobs into a 3 ring circus.Always the heroes aren't they. They are proper pains in the butt.Forget about causing the least damage to someones home lets make plenty of noise lets show the local folks how well we can break the windows and cause maximum damage to the property and cause the owner more distress and cost.