Can you call Man of Steel “art”?

You shouldn't talk about Rich Evans that way. He is the epitome of art.

Enough about Jay, what about the rest of them?

Which one is which?

@@louiebinousky3699 What are you talking about? Man of steel is classy as fuck!

How would the people know its Superman? man of steel was the first contact.

@@bricktop9486 right over your head huh?

"it's... coming right at us, run for your lives"!

@@moshpit1012 As they should be.

"Press the Wonderwoman button!!"

Terrence Stamp is a bit old to don his shiny black disco costume again. But I'd enjoy hearing him give commands again.

lol so true 😂

He really took that to heart.

What a stupid fucking trailer line. What does it even mean?

***** he did stop, he posted like 2 comments

***** pfffhahaha, I'm not spamming you, you fucking child. You still never replied to the clip that shows superman being a fucking douche, you just literally went "LALALA I CANT SEE IT IM RIGHT UR WRONG"

Eh no the city was mostly evacuated. The damage was done to the buildings not the people.

The fact that we can even draw comparisons of Superman to Godzilla is a problem.

***** ........Maybe he thought he would be entertained? It seems the only thing Superman did well in this movie was destroy things...... ...... including my enjoyment.

Superman: On My planet it stands for Hope. Lois: Hope doesn’t start with an S Superman: Shut up, I’m Superman.

Succ

Superman: Oh? It stands for, erm....Sitter! Yeah, Sitter, heh! Originally I was gonna have intials for "Baby Sitter", but then I would have gone around with a big "BS", and hehe, you can understand why I didn't go with that.

"Shit"

Tshi

Underrated Comment

Coronavirus pushed the "Whopper Button".

@Man on phone Brain-dead take

@@h4ih4i Spot-on take. BLM and Antifa are shitty, violent socialist movements headed up by college trust-fund brats co-opting race relations to further their censorious, dystopian set of demands. Black Lives DO matter. BLM just doesn't actually believe that at all.

@@filmgeekstudios4393 dad?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... You're sooooooooooooo right! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

+Reinaldo Pereira Elisei You know, if you are being sarcastic, you aren't being very clear.

Telling me to kill myself over a single comment on the internet? Hmmmmmm............................... nah. Fuck off. Grow up, get a life, and stop being a cancer to society.

There should have been a side plot where we learn George Lucas is paying to have the highway built.

Man I thought you were sitting down on yr chair

+nextgreat screenwriter "ridley directed this" I'm trying to come up with some kind of witty response to your comment, but... you're just... wrong. I feel like I shouldn't even put forth the effort when clearly you don't know what your talking about or care enough to do a fucking 5-second google search. Hack Snyder directed this movie, not Ridley Scott.

that line killed me

Yeah, Goyer has come in for a drubbing by people who either don't know or don't remember his role in other projects, while Snyder had serious potential, but this movie showed refusal to accept its subject

+imsad I can guarantee you that given the social context, there is absolutely no reason why a "present day" 2013 Superman movie had to be more cynical & depressing than one from 1978 of all godforsaken years

To give context here, 1978's top news stories were Ted Bundy, the Hillside Strangler and the Jonestown Massacre, and Hollywood still managed to put out a cheerful, successful Superman movie

Felt the same way after reading this retarted ass comment

Duncan Van Ooyen I actually hated it when watching it. The only thing it had going for it was fight scenes and the only one they didn't fuck up was the final one between Superman and Zod because they weren't talking the whole way through it like a cheap anime

LMAO you wanted a movie about an Alien who can fly & shoot heat from his eyes "RELATABLE" 😂😂😂😂 can you relate to Batman...? Of course you can...

Bar Kelly Sir. Some people try to follow common courtesy.

***** do you know how to spell Dienda?

I thought Snyder's Kents are very loving.

Snyder and one of the DC executives (name starts with a G, forget) can't stand the idea that someone that powerful could just be a good man, it's not "realistic." So they did the "he's a 'god'/terrorist" thing.

@@jbbrolic Citation?

@@zhengyingli You want to believe that because you drool at the muscles and explosions. There’s nothing wrong with that, but don’t make things up pal

@@CursedWheelieBin What did I make up?

I think I love you.

Richard Donners Mantra on Superman - Verisimlitude !

See the problem is Zack Snyder is too dumb to not constantly take himself too seriously.

He had seen a first cut of the film

I would have done it anyway cause people should be heading towards a ditch, not under a bridge

I was so confused the first time I witnessed that goofy ass shit

+Bill Holt With some fancy editing work, you could probably turn Mr. Brooks into exactly that.

I think I love you.

Captain McDog someone please commission this show...

@@onkelpappkov2666 that was beautiful

@@onkelpappkov2666 Bravo! that was just great! and better than man of steel

Why did you say that naaaaaame? 🤜🏼

Lara?

Ma-el was a pretty good guess

MAAAAARTHAAA

@@fusionfountain ill 2nd that motion, this was vastly underrated.

This is so underrated

This is actually the best comment I’ve seen in a long time.

Best comment

Never let the like counter change. Everytime it goes up, downvote to keep the perfect number

If making Superman dark and gritty had been an organic, creative change to his character and films, I might have been a little more receptive to it. But the only reason MOS was the way it was is because the Dark Knight made a billion dollars and DC wants to make more. So every film they make is now going to be miserable, regardless of whether or not the source material supports it. It's cold blooded marketing at its worst.

Superman's greatest vulnerability is not kryptonite, but rather his essential morality. "Man of Steel" made Superman an aloof, uncaring action guy. Superman actually gives a damn. "Man of Steel" has no concept of the character.

***** Exactly. The movie's darkness is shallow at best, just like its attempts at being morally complex. There's really no substance to it.

i agree, especially with them going with the superman v batman thing. His character wouldn't contrast very well with batman

you mean the one who wear red underwear? save cat from tree, and eat grandma cookie? that's the same reason over decade many did not respect superman. He's not act like a Superhero, he is a "boyscout" why do i watch a movie about boyscout? exactly!

That joke is when I realized Mike is legitimately a genius.

Also the way they cut the shot right after to not show any reaction! Absolutely hilarious!

23:17 (Just so I can replay that part over and over)

It made me laugh 😂🤣

I'm so proud of that joke.

Pa Kent was talking less about destiny and more about Clark needing to discover his purpose.

"You're a monster, Zod... and I'm gonna stop you!"

muccmaster Oh please the shit was stupid. Zod kicked the shit, and Superman leaped over it. No concern at all if people were in the building. I can see if he tried to stop it and it blew up. That's different. He didn't even give a shit.

Then Cavill turns around casually on the green-screen set and looks behind him, so that in the finished movie, Superman looks like he's thinking, "Huh... Did I pay my gas bill?"

+muccmaster You expect people to praise a movie merely for having a couple short scenes that failed to actually evoke laughter at how shitty they were. You're also really upset about this for someone who had nothing to do with making this piece of shit movie. Isn't it enough that it made money? You need people to tell you it's good when it's not on top of that?

Nothing wrong with that scene though.

Hulk just smashed he didn't save no one you dummy

Bar Kelly He means the ang lee Hulk, or at least he should.

blah blah That was part of the stupidity of the Avengers is at the end apparently he did have control over the Hulk the whole time, but yet he put the whole ship in jeopardy because he couldn't control it. It was dumb.

blah blah It is still stupid. Hulk is Marvel's worst hero. Like Superman is DC's worst hero. Hulk is literally Marvel's Superman.

blah blah I take back what I said about the Hulk. Jeremy Renner was the worst thing in the Avengers movies. He is a awful actor.

@Kryptoskillet there's a thing called "property damage", and theres also a thing called "ruining people's livelihoods". superman should be party to neither when he can help it. in this instance, he absolutely could

@Kryptoskillet That's might be true, but it's not exactly heroic seeing Superman side step something that he could've caught to prevent utter destruction of human property. Feels more like a move from Pacific Rim or Godzilla monster fights.

@@henrymartinvo not to mention we get taxed for citywide repairs and the 12 million dollar satellite that superman trashed in the end which ofc were funded by taxes...

@Kryptoskillet Oh, so it was just a pointless explosion then? Thanks for clearing that up 😂

A Building vs a whole planet.. hmm

Superman's arms, aided by the momentum of Zod's head turn, were simply stronger than steel, metal, stone, brick, concrete and glass.

@@zhengyingli lmao

You cut diamonds with diamonds. Not that hard to understand.

At least he didn't negate Zods powers and then push him into a hole to die. That would have been horrible.

@@conchobar his point was why did he wait that long lol. He destroyed the entire city and then he killed him

Every single frame is so dense.

You hate citizen kane?

That kid was basically 12 years a slave.

*throws chair* *kicks dog* LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW FUCKING AMAZING BOYHOOD IS *foams at the mouth* *convulses*

Steven I LIKES BOYHOOD BUT THEN I SAW THEIR REVIEW OF IT AND NOW I HATEEE ITTTTT!?!!?!?!!!!!

Funny you mention DBZ since Toriyama completely ripped off Superman and other media lol

@@docmarten8269 toriyama is a fucking disaster

@@docmarten8269 And then Invincible ripped off DBZ

Yeah so stupid. Because all kids cannot think and froze in situation.

I’m sure the hardcore fans will come up with some excuse to nurture their delusions 😂

More like a Dragonball Z movie

darkcarnage1234 Except in the last Dragonball Z movie, the city was left unscathed. Even when Goku is in SS God mode for the first time while fighting the God of Destruction come to destroy Earth, he avoids all the buildings and keeps the fight either in the air or underground.

John Beaird finally someone who didn't love Battle of Gods, seriously mosts people seem to be in denial about how terrible it was.

***** Hulk hasn't got shit on Superman in terms of destruction. We should be joining THAT guy in the sun.

Yet, rather than although, therefor

We decided the best way to modernize superman was to make him a walking 9/11.

It's really weird how a cheesy low-budget CW show like Smallville could get the character and the tone right, and huge budget movies fail so miserably.

And that says a lot about how much trust one should place in the opinions of these morons, don't you agree?

Haha

And nothing 9/11s harder than Rich Evans.

Luminious Beings NYC if that's the reason why this shit happened then it's the worst mkve ever. Sure, let ruin a movie not making any sense just to build up the worst and rushed crossover ever.

Luminious Beings NYC yea it was one shit movie foreshadowing a second shit movie

Do not hate this good movie because you have to hate it. BTW BVS is pretty shitty.

Great, now I feel stupid and hungry.

thats moment along with superman and lois kissing amidst the ashes of the city made me uncomfortable. But ya superman not even attempting to dissuade or plead for zod to spare people or stop was just bad script writing.

Cymrogogogoch Also: The real Superman from the comics would find a third option. Superman is all powerful so he's not limited to just those two options.

I love how high our standards were for bad dialogue 7 years ago. Now we've got "Somehow Palpatine returned." and so many more.

Ryan Struble How did you or those kids come to the conclusion that there were any lifeforms in the genesis chamber? The very last scene they've shown of it, the chamber was empty even as it was getting destroyed.

just binged a lot of rlm videos and came across this reply lol. From what I remember the entire reason zod took the ship superman attacked him on was taken for the use of the embryo chamber that was shown to still be active / operational when clark got his suit / info from hologram jor-el. so while not "babies" they were still living organisms. As far as the kid either he thought they were still babies or just the idea of a violent, moody, dark superman scared the crap out of him. nonetheless still funny as heck seeing a kid freakout like that during a superman movie.

Even if he did not destroy the ship, it would have stayed on course and when the singularity would have been created, the ship would have got sucked into it. But since he destroyed the ship it went down far away from the clutches of the singularity. The future of krypton was already doomed and it was because of general zod

For fucks sake, Superman killed only one person! Not a thousand or one hundred thousand! Where was it even shown that superman killed anyone other than Zod onscreen? And you know damn well that If anyone's responsible for all of the deaths, it's the mother fucker who's here to oh... Idk... Terraform the planet!

ShonenStevenJames um, Superman killed them by not saving them as they fell screaming out of buildings? By throwing his enemy through skyscrapers and gas stations that would not likely be empty?

bulaluigi Sorry but I have to agree you're on the wrong side of that one. When there is a world killing event in motion not even Superman has time to stop and pull every kitten out of every tree. Buildings were falling down and people were dying as soon as the World Engines started punching holes in the planet. You can't expect a guy who has been superman for, like, A DAY at that point to know exactly what to do to save every single person.

Michael Schinke No one expects Superman save everyone but it's not in his character to ignore people as they're screaming to death around him.

bulaluigi well he had people trying to kill him so he didnt have time you idiot, lets say he saves 1 person, in that time zod kills 100, best idea is to try and stop the kryptonians straight away

Mine too!

I know right! I didn't even realise where 40 minutes went!! This episode was more entertaining than the movie itself! I'm gonna watch this again.

I found this review after seeing the movie way back when this film was released. I was new to KZfaq, and I like that these guys actually communicate like adults instead of bubbly, quirky gameshow presenters like almost everybody else on this site. So many dummies said they liked MoS simply because they’re loyal to a brand and/or they’ve made up their mind before seeing it. You see the same thing with other franchises. It’s such a weird phenomenon like mass hypnosis: the blindly loyal “fanboy” who will perform all manner of mental gymnastics to nurture their delusions 😑

***** remember that time superman flew through all of the buildings in metropolis so that he could punch Zod's face and caused like fifteen 9/11's? so caring

***** I noticed that you have yet to say anything about the above clip I included.

Jonathon has even infiltrated half in the bag now. I've watched this review a year and a half ago and this kid finally infected this video now

***** he's never shown to have cared out of his own free will.... with both space dad and pa kent banging it on his head to care and do some shit, that it his destiny

***** you ever had a parent tell you to do something and you end up doing the exact opposite... that's probably what ol kal was doing there considering was at the start of puberty.... yea

TheGoldenCaulk That's pretty much it. My favorite part of the movie is when Superman rescues the falling pilot and very matter of factly goes, "You alright?"

So you want a little babies movie, hahaha, go watch disney, this is actually more realistic in that people wouldn't be going around having a laugh as the world is under threat

cjonesabc yes.. this super man movie is more realistic

BP Lup weak sauce

"We can't fight here, we don't have the animation budget!"

Whereas Zod’s goal is to destroy the human race and turn earth into Krypton. So yeah no comparison at all.

What fucking movie did you see?

@@wolfsfroth an Amazon tv series called The Boys

+Nathan Eskin IKR! How could you fuck up the bat symbol too!

Nathan Eskin 🤣🤣

Stained with blood

Yawn.

Battlecruiser Plays sooo.... Earth...3?

So Injustice basically

@@superapm9620 Red Son, actually

Justice Lord Kal-el wants to know your location...

All three

which, ironically, make's it unrealistic from a Psychological prospective

Not exactly. He is getting his ass kicked by zod. He loses focus. That's the problem. He has a flaw

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 First of all its nolan and not snyder. I do not think snyder was in charge of the story department. And secondly, the movie never treats this opinion as good or bad. It does not treat it at all. It should have been explored in a sequel or the movie should have been much longer. And about praise, just think why does the dark knight receive praise for joker. What are his motivations? None. Why is he doing those things?But his motivations are fleshed out in joker movie. Whatever. Your opinion buddy. Good points. But for me I do not think that was the fault of the film. These issues must have been fleshed out in a sequel. That is what pisses me off.

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 Does superman has total disregard for human life? Not really. Majority of the time zod punched him into buildings. And once he pushed him through that glass window of the skyscraper. But should not the building be empty by then? I mean really. Anyways, he is just a boy who has never been in a fistfight to fight one of the most powerful foes mankind has ever seen. What better can you except? And yeah He does save people.

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 My real problem in the movie is with amy adam's lois lane. Look I love amy adams. She is beautiful and one of the best actresses of her generation. But her only purpose in the second and third act is to be there because a handsome man needs a beautiful woman to have sex with. They simply do not know what to do with her in the later acts.

Ooooooh

Tsss Tssss. Home Run Cocksucka!!

fawk yeah

More like Man of Steal Data Plan, because this movie stole 4.3Gb of my precious data plan from torrenting.

The 1.5gb torrents are usually very compressed and not good quality.

Agreed.

Those were horrible scenes. He doesn't save his dad but yet some years later he saves a bunch of people in the oil rig, showing his body full of fire!!!!!!! So fucking stupid

I thought the same thing I the movie theatre, I can see what Snyder was trying to do with that scene. But he failed immensely at it. It just came off as a pointless and stupid attempt at an emotional martyr scene.

Same with the new Evil Dead.

So much potential

They could have made a great Batman Begins movie for superman origin and deconstruct properly but they fucked it up

Me too! It makes my eyes get blurry, I laugh so hard. 😂 It’s just not right, and I can’t get enough. It’s still crazy funny.

10 years now. At least a new Superman cartoon came out and it looks like people are enjoying, can't believe it took 10 years to do another major solo Superman project

+mitrooper What is it with Ricks?

+General Tullius Christopher Nolan only helped write the story for this. God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

They may have gone too far in a few places.

Since when being dense is a good thing?

Hatesh Warkio go watch the plinkett reviews for the Star Wars prequels. These are all RLM audience inside jokes.

ThePinkMan that is literally what happens at the end of man of steel.

Yeah but i bet it was better written than this.

I still haven't seen MoS, but I have read some more issues of Marvelman, as well as other works by Alan Moore.

@@ThePinkMan Have you read the one where Marvelman fights in a illegal fight tournament called The Kumite against Tank Jux? It broke new ground.

@@ADrunkSuperman3 I respect and appreciate your comments nom de plume.

I think he actually say "9/11 times one-hundred" Just my two cents.

Billy Nunez the sad thing is the fact that that’s probably an accurate number of deaths in this movie.

you beat me to it by 3 years... oh well mine still stands :P

the next film will by 911 times RAND()*9000000 ... Oh my, that's... I don't even know what that is! No-one does!

9/1100 never forget

A child with markers! That is a perfect description for the writings of David S. Goyer. I love it!

Couldn't be more accurate...

How was Metropolis almost completely destroyed and how did Superman took part in it?

Superman and Zod took down a number of buildings together. On top of that if Zod got his way the whole planet would essentially be destroyed. From the perspective of normal humans I don't think it would have looked like Superman was saving Metropolis so much as taking part in the destruction of it. Either way he had very little consideration for human casualties during his fight with Zod.

@@HereticsRight But how did Superman take part in the almost complete destruction of Metropolis? Superman didn't take out any building and Zod only brought down one during the fight. If Superman showed little consideration for human casualties, why did he keep trying to take Zod away from the city?

Superman didn't once try to take Zod away, at no point does he grab Zod and start flying away with him. And they absolutely do way, way more damage than just one building, they smash through at least 5, throwing glass and rubble all over the place. Plus they drop a satellite on the city. Plus Clark purposefully lets Zod kick a fuel truck into a building. My point is that the US government absolutely has plenty of reasons to want to monitor Superman, and they do so in a way that is relatively unobtrusive, but Clark just destroys their equipment and threatens them. They never threaten his family, they never really do anything more than watch him. Again, I'm fine with them trying to take Superman in a darker direction, but they have to have an arc to his character where he comes back to being Superman. Otherwise it's not really Superman, since at no point does he act like it. They might as well have just made it a different character.

"Superman didn't once try to take Zod away, at no point does he grab Zod and start flying away with him." Not true. At 2:02:32, Superman grabbed Zod with him, but Zod escaped Superman's grasp and threw him into Wayne Financial. At 2:05:21, Superman tackled Zod again but Zod headbutted out of Superman's grip after 3 seconds. At 2:05:30, Superman tried punching Zod out of the city, but Zod flew back amongst the skyscrapers. At 2:06:20, Superman tried throwing Zod further into space, but Zod brought Superman back to Earth. "And they absolutely do way, way more damage than just one building, they smash through at least 5, throwing glass and rubble all over the place. Plus they drop a satellite on the city." Strawman. I'm not talking about just any damage. I was responding to this statement: "Superman and Zod took down a number of buildings together." The only building that was brought down during the fight was Wayne Financial, and Zod was solely responsible. "Plus they drop a satellite on the city." Zod was the one who dropped the satellite, not the both of them. Superman actually tried stopping the satellite from falling towards Earth. "Plus Clark purposefully lets Zod kick a fuel truck into a building." If the truck exploded in Superman's face, he'd get knocked down, giving Zod an opening that might end the fight, thus the extinction of the human race.

JMWriter Thoughts Well said. Both Superman and Dr. Manhattan are both so cold and detached that the audience can't really connect with them. But with Dr. M, that's actually the point. In Man of Steel the whole story is focusing on Superman as a symbol instead of a character.

+John Lechlieter - But Superman IS a symbol. He's Carl Jung's "superman". It's right there in the name. Couldn't be more obvious. My problem with this film is that they chose to completely ignore what makes Superman Superman, and turned him into Broodingman instead. I feel ashamed and embarrassed for Zack Snyder and whoever wrote this for so completely misunderstanding a character (symbol) that's so simple 5-year-olds can understand it. And now I feel bad for 5-year-olds because some pretentious man-child twat hijacked their hero.

Might make for a darkly interesting Elseworlds story but for a supposed straight Superman adaptation? No way.

If you think that is lam Superman is then you are crazy

Blue Skeptic and smallville got the Boy Scout aspect pretty well

I think comic Superman was still caring and hopeful even on the edgy 90's. It was mostly Zack Snyder who wanted to make Superman into Watchmen

Keep in mind the 90s also gave us Kingdom Come, but then again it was more of a response to all the crap going on with superman comics at the time

Superman: The Animated Series was and is still godly.

@@21Cayque12 Snyder’s Superman is pretty much Doctor Manhattan without a blue dick.

@Kryptoskillet super man 2 was wayy better than MoS.. Except for the special effects tho.. Heck, they even handled the pa kent death scene better

+CommanderCorson Was thinking the same thing. I'm quite literally more excited about them discussing the movie than seeing it. I am literally thinking about seeing the movie just so I can watch their review in context. lol I just don't want to spend the money or sit there for 2 and half hours without the ability to fast forward.

AtenAkaAton1 I saw it, and I'd say it's not worth it. The film is so disjointed that I still don't completely understand what happened.

canegemen tuna I feel really bad for the makers of this film, but they knew it wasn't good when before they released it. When they started pushing the R version and making excuses for the movie not being complete before it theaters I knew they had made something sub-par. I just don't think they realized how bad it is. I mean I hate these sort of block buster bullshit movies but I do feel bad when it seems the makers do care. Oh well, another shit fest created by Hollywood that'll make tons of money because of brand recognition.

canegemen tuna I don't understand what you mean by greater than 1. Please explain. I am shocked it's not making much profit though, and in a way glad, I'm tired of these shitty blockbusters that just try to appeal to everyone at its own expense and ultimately don't appeal to anyone. Then everyone makes excuses for it because they just want to be apart of a large crowd. Like the Force Awakens, the marketing campaign wasn't even about the movie being good, rather people should indulge in being apart of an event. Then everyone makes excuses for the films massive short comings. I mean I didn't hate FA, it was what I expected, I enjoyed parts, but I already forgot what it was about and I'll never watch it again. It could have been amazing but now I have no interest in the next Star Wars movie. Just tired of all the wasted potential and ideas. I guess I'll go watch Ex Machina for the 5th time.

canegemen tuna I read with advertising it went up to 400 million. I don't know how true that is, I also read it was 250 million. Thanks for explaining this to me.

***** ROFL! XD

***** Did you try to offend me or something?

>opinions Nie b8 though.

Dude, can't you just cut loose? This isn't 2001: a Space Odyssey!

***** Nice one.

***** Then why is the thumbs down button there for? You either like the video or not!

***** haha

***** Proper function? Its not rocket science.You like the video, you press like.You dont like the video, you press dislike.Dont make up bullshit reasons to support your opinion

***** i agree

***** I dont get it why people use the word "senseless" to descibe a fight.What the fuck are you expecting? Its a fucking fight! I didnt know that fights are supposed to be deep and have a plot

I re-watched this review after what happened with the Flash. Man of Steel was one of the first movies that made me feel disappointed after leaving the theater, I was almost 19 when I saw and I can't believe how badly WB. managed this whole DC Film universe, it's been 10 years that felt like a minute but everything is worse now for DC, save for a few exceptions

@@pablocasas5906 Its funny you say that, lol, I remember being around 13 watching it for one of the first times after watching a movie thinking "wait, that kind sucked, like that was thoroughly unenjoyable." Because as a kid, I was pretty satisfied watching whatever, but as a teen I gradually started to realize movies can be good or bad, and Man of Steel was a great example of bad lol

I think in a Stream of Previously Recorded Rich mentions he doesn't drink. Not out of any real reason, he just doesn't like alcohol.

TimedropStudios You can notice they are not even drinking for real, the bottles are empty...

+idk It's been said that his parents were cokeheads but I don't know if it's been officially confirmed.

Crocmaster McGeezax Nah, I don't think he was born a crack baby. Usually, crack babies are born addicted to crack, and I don't think Rich Evans is the type of person who has ever done crack. And crack and cocaine are different, but very similar.

Did anyone update RichWiki

I don't know about the New 52 Superman. But All Star Superman and Superman the Movie is what Superman is all about. I think they just thought "Well it work for Batman". I also heard Grant Morrison didn't care for it.

You should probably see requiem for a dream or the fountain

Honestly, after hearing how bad it was and finally watching it a few months ago, I was pleasantly surprised. Maybe my expectations were so low, but I enjoyed it. I didn't like the plot or dialogue, nor most of the characters, but I quite enjoyed the visuals, music, and how Superman couldn't save everyone. There is no point in saving random people on the streets when for every one person you save, 1,000 more died. Granted, I absolutely despise Superman, so maybe I enjoyed this movie more than I should have because he wasn't anything like Superman. Ironic, huh?

I call this an over reaction by you. It's even stupid

TheMagicRat933 Batman gets beaten up every day and has to endure the trauma of his dead parents every day of his life.

Superman also gets beaten up every now and then, only when it happens to him, he knows he _has to_ find a way to win because the fate of the whole world probably depends on it. Superman has to live with the knowledge that he is the last survivor of his race. And most importantly, Superman has to live with the constant sound in his ears of people calling out for him to save them, knowing that he can't always save them all. You can argue who has it harder between Batman and Superman, but my point is that on the surface level at least both represent things that are utterly unobtainable for any real person. For practical purposes, "god-like alien" and "genius billionaire playboy philanthropist expert martial artist/detective/engineer/forensic scientist/etc." are both something that we can only fantasize about.

You have to look at Superman as a whole. Most versions don't portray him as hearing everyone all over the world every day. Or have him feel depressed that his homeworld is gone and that he is all that's left(except for Kandor and Supergirl). Also the power fantasy exists in Superman because when little kids see him in the comics or in the earlier movies, they want to be him instantly simply because of what he can do.

I'm not denying that there is an escapist element to the character of Superman, but it is simply wrong to suggest that there isn't also massive amount escapism in the character of Batman. Are you suggesting that little (and big) kids don't also idolize Batman and want to be him? Of course they do. My point remains that Batman, just as much as Superman, represents a desirable, but utterly unobtainable ideal.

TheMagicRat933 Of course that element exists in Batman. Pretty much any kind of action hero or adventurer has that theme, but with Superman it's different. Superman can do almost anything, go anywhere, defeat any villian. While it is true that Batman can do a lot of things as well, you just have to imagine what it means to children to be invincible. To be able to take a few steps and just fly away.

That's what happens when Superman goes into an uncontrollable rage.

Clark called him a motherfucker.

They liked it. Mind blown

+Tre B Zack Snyder is basically the same category of director like Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich.They know how to film explosions/CGI-Setpieces/fight scenes but they don't know how to make a coherent movie.

+Tre B Hack Snyder is the worst possible choice to direct superman

+doubleP agreed. All flash and no smash.

Don't forget Goyer and even Nolan who has turned out to suck as a producer.

gimpinmypants best batman ever, goes around killing people wtf are you smoking?

There's equal amounts of promise and dog doodoo, that it makes me cry

The film is a masterpiece. I cannot comprehend the hate it has received. Give it a rewatch.