Really needed stomach tattoo of his name also, how else do we know who he's supposed to be?

Hunka Hunka!!!🃏

It's like poetry, it rhymes.

I was so outraged when I saw this. This was NOTHING like the Joker as depicted by Bob Kane in his original comic book appearance. Kane, of course, was a big Marilyn Manson fan and also a connoisseur of gangsta rap and the Joker combined his too loves. This movie even had the audacity to not show the famous Joker cat purr. I thought at the very least they would have shown that.

It's cuz he's all messed up, ya know? He's all messed up.

Ticket sold

The birthday boy scene is going to be legendary.

@@stevekjr9563 great, another cgi de-aging debacle.

@@stevekjr9563 Can't wait for the breaking point scene where he losses his diabetes medicine

You mean the Dick the Birthday Boy origin story?

Or the actual real life "subway vigilante" shooting in 80s NYC that inspired huge social uproar that partially inspired this film! C'mon Jay!

Well he kind of missed that part when Thomas Wayne got in front of the camera and pretty much said anyone who hasn’t made something of themselves in life is a clown to him and people like him.

Franz Ferdinand was also royalty in Austria-hungary, and Serbia and Austria-Hungary were at each other's throats before the shooting, so Serbia killing Franz just pushed it over the top. I agree with Jay here.

Or world war 1

The problem is that his point misses a lot of key details, and I say this as someone who doesn't think was a cinematic masterpiece or something. The cuts to social services, the brief tidbits about sanitation workers on strike, the pre-existing animus towards Thomas Wayne, who's obviously an amalgam of former mayor Ed Koch and Donald Trump, the run down architecture... like, these all form the setting itself and are all obviously meant to convey late 70s/80s New York. The city is a social powder keg in the movie, as it was in real life. It's not implausible at all that the vigilante murder of a repugnant social type would get a sympathetic reaction. For a real life scenario with some surprising parallels, look into the "dogman" murder in Rome in 1988.

Me too. Watched Joker last night. I avoided spoilers for a whole year.

@@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 nice lol

Get a load of this guy

No you're supposed to watch this to knkw what you think about the movie 😆

@@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 me too

he is literally off his meds because he couldn't get them anymore.. the rest of the film could have all played out in his head

@@chee1989 except he didn't cause we didn't get flashbacks of those scenes never happening

Juboi that’s what made this less interesting for me. Since the film establishes that it will make it CLEAR when he’s having a delusion (first appearance on Murray’s show, girlfriend flashbacks), it implies that everything else we’re being shown is reality

@@chee1989 That is highly unlikely, the movie made it clear every time he was imagining things. It doesn't fit the pattern of the movie, if it never went out of it's way to show that his was imagining things then sure, could be possible, but not now.

nah Vampire Assassin does

based and mikepilled

SPOILER When Joker said “This is what happens when society steps on you!” I literally laughed out loud in the cinema

@@jamesbell1186 As did I

@@jamesbell1186 I CLAPPED WHEN HE SAID THE THING

@@jamesbell1186 lol made me so hyped, especially because he's said it during the climax

*laughs in joker*

Zazie Beetz was never really dhere∴

Werner Herzog's slowly taking over Jay's mind.

To Jay’s credit he did say “more movies like this please”

I was surprised they actually didn't mind the mess of a movie

“Such a bizarre stretch to me that one person death sparks a riot’ 🤦🏻‍♂️

that's exactly why I'm back here. I'm team chad mike

The riots have nothing to do with the dead man. It's animals being animals, nothing more than that.

@@justincooper1884 Thank you bot...

ozymandias ___ jay said that he doesn’t believe a death can start an uprising 🤦🏻‍♂️

It's actually typical DC. It never focuses intently on the social context, it's always a bit 2d. The issues are dealt with through the protagonists.

@@irisdogma8174 But this isn't really DC. It's more a fan film elseworld story, that wouldn't even need to be about Joker, or have the city named Gotham, or its richest family named Wayne. Not saying that you're wrong, just that I think the reason for it is other than just the movie being DC.

@@AnnaMarianne Yeah, but this is exactly how the jokers lackies are usually handled - often just random crazed anarchists unhappy with the status quo. This movie still strikes me as being 'in a comic book world' for all it's adult messaging. Regardless, the riots etc are not the focus of the film, whether that's from DC influence or simply a story decision.

Yeah, at some point his clown ex-colleague asks him if he's going to the riots because he's got makeup on and he doesn't even know about it.

Well, that's fine, but then the script should have had Arthur have more interactions with people and things having to do with the social unrest. These things were within the control of the writer and editor, after all.

or any of the shit that has stirred up in the last 10 years or so lol

Joker had a point when he said that had it been him, the city would not have cared. It's business as usual if the poor in Gotham die, but not the rich.

They weren’t just “three guys”. They were rich Ivy League Wayne Tech boys. Of course the media would manufacture outrage over their deaths.

Yeah a few douches on a train is definitely an equivelant to prince assassination on a parade ride in a country hes disliked.

Gavrilo Princip: Hold my beer...

Im sorry that was your experience with a therapist, but a lot people who think that the scene is not realistic could've simply have had different experiences than yours. Other than that, you are absolutely right, I'm finishing Psychology school and you can see early on the ones who will turn out to actually care about their clients.

@HKMH Dariani exactlyyyy

Jay is a well known debbie downer critic. He hated the walk cycle OF HAKUNA MATATA from LION KING! What a mook!

@@righthandstep5 yeah fuck him. Everyone knows you aren't allowed opinions

@@grill6411 "his opinion isn't the same as mine so it's actually shit!"

@@righthandstep5 I hate that too. Fuck that movie.

@đöPpƏŁşÂįĶĪÅņØŇ ïwĪķ holy shit where's that from

The most cancerous memes are reaching everything, dark times ahead

Boomers are becoming sentient

@đöPpƏŁşÂįĶĪÅņØŇ ïwĪķ check out all appearances of mike on pre rec.

@đöPpƏŁşÂįĶĪÅņØŇ ïwĪķ LOL

This. And he completely whitewashed those three thugs Arthur killed on the subway.

Thomas called people who were celebrating murders clowns. He didn't call poor people clowns.

He called the people celebrating the murder of his employees clowns and the media twisted his words.

Questbro yep. Wayne’s comments were perceived poorly by a populace on that was already on the edge of an abyss and that little push sent them over.

Yeah, I’m assuming Jay didn’t want to ride the “Joker is a Masterpiece” train alongside everyone else and went in wanting to dislike it. He brings up several reasons as to why he didn’t like the movie, but most didn’t even make sense

I legit want this WAY more than the Snyder cut.

has anybody done it yet???

Please tell me this exists

I can't stand Rich's laugh, and I hate it when he takes part in the review. I really prefer just Mike and Jay.

@@KoiNoYokan37 rich is the mvp, you’re crazy

And yet it didn't even come close to reaching either in terms of quality. It's an extremely unoriginal, predictable and boring story with a fantastic actor cast in the title role.

@@interdimensionalsteve8172 What crap you talk.

Yeah. It's insane to me they didn't mention The King of Comedy once.

@@interdimensionalsteve8172 oh wow mr cinesnob wants super original script that he's going to shit on anyways? Ffs people all we get now is comic hero action movies or shitty origin stories, can you put your fucking cinebuff snobbery away, quit cosplaying Ebert and enjoy a decent non stupid movie that's in cinema? None of you even mentioned how good soundtracks is or the camerawork, all you say is "hur dur i saw taxi driver its a rip off -0.5/10".

@FlymanMS Relax. Not sure why you're getting so worked up over a subjective thing like movie critique. The movie was boring/pointless in an environment where there is a metric ton of good films coming out every year from about a hundred different sources. It's honestly dizzying, then add TV shows, and it's ridiculous. I work a job (hotel night manager) where I get paid to effectively write (dialogue/story for a video game company) and watch movies. I'm actually quite the opposite from what's in your head - it takes a lot for me to say I don't like a movie, and as I've gotten older I've realized I'm waay easier to please while my scope has broadened. I don't care that Joker is similar to taxi driver - that's meaningless - it was just boring and disjointed. Nothing really happened, and then the end was ridiculous. I didn't like The Batman either, you wanna freak out about that? That one was actually really disappointing because I was looking forward to it. Batman (and Punisher) is my favorite comic from back in the day.

"You're a rent-a-clown?" "Part-time."

Rofl

When i was watching the movie, all i can think of was : "Well, now he would survive a nuclear blast"

I 100% thought about that movie too, and I didn't even like it, lolol

ill never understand the outrage of that scene to me it made sense in regards to the movie it said lead lined right on it lol

"Can you introduce me as Dick the Birthday Boy?"

“Do you wanna know how I got these stretch marks?”

@@aaronjohnson8490" I'm Rich Evan's baby!"

Hahaha

Lmfaooooo

Watched "Joker" for the first time last night and thought the exact same thing when watching it and then this review.

At least the movie needed 2 guys killed to kick it off, we had one guy and no clown comment to start a riot

@@spooderlover3512 I mean, let's not forget the myriad of racial killings that preceded this. Like I say, these riots really aren't dissimilar to how Joker played out, they weren't in a bubble or a vacuum, both of these are boiling pots just with different sparks.

Covid19 may have made things move faster. People are stuck at home, out of work, and pissed. George Floyd's death was a match tossed into a lake of oil. So we got a lot of protests faster than usual. Tragedy upon tragedy.

@@garydougherty8307 you know only 1 black person was killed by police unarmed in 2019 who wasnt a criminal?

he phased out because it wasn't a terrible horror film from the 80s

@@bazookajoe9864 true. It was just terrible

I mean he isn’t wrong. The movie is a checklist of “now this happens oh and did we mention his dog was hit by a car and oh yeah they ran out of his favourite brand of toothpaste at Walmart so he is upset and oh yeah his house burns down oh yeah and then and then”

nope, you just think this movie is deeper than it is. Most his points are absolutely true

@@92brunod So true. The perfect review of the movies is that one quote "If you've never swam in the ocean, then of course a pool will seem deep"

A loud bang in New York would probably not prompt neighbors to call 911 either just as a matter of fact.

Curtis Robison gunshot’s a little more than a loud bang, homie.

@Dave Smith I'm not speaking to hollywood or an interpretation. A single Gunshot may or may not convince someone to be suspicious. That's called nuance and it has nothing to with living near a project, NYC, in a fiction or in reality.

Parts of NYC were war zones in the 1980s where the cops could not keep up with the number of calls. Check out The Seven Five documentary, there were multiple years when murders topped 2000+

You didn't go back far enough Dave. Kitty Genovese is the literal turning point for the entire city just getting fed up with it. You could say they had an inverted riot, where pensioners and community organisers just started taking matters into their own hands and saying "well if the cops won't do anything about it..." (Which is where the stuff like Death Wish and New Jack City comes in I guess) You wanna see that TODAY, you gotta go places like Chicago (AKA Chiraq to local veterans) or Baltimore or Saint Louis. Also bears remembering that while most of Hollywood comes from the surrounding area, most scriptwriters and directors (especially during the 70s and 80s) came out of New York, particularly Queens, the Bronx, and Crown Heights

Yeah, the guy was like a cartoon version of Trump making irresponsible comments about poor people. And then he had the chance to apologize but he became even more aggressive in front of the journalists. So yeah, it was a lot of tension between the rich and the poor, joker had no interest in that but his actions brought out the worst from the poor.

Ironically I think the media played into what the movie was critiquing, he has no motive or political agenda, but the media hype him into this figurehead

@@rapzeh4 How did Thomas blame poor people? He called the people that were celebrating the murder of three persons clowns, that's it.

@@rapzeh4 Trump is a cartoon version of Trump.

@@PedroGomes-cx7ku Sometimes meaning gets lost in the context. It was inflammatory statement. There was tension between poor and rich, so much so that that was only thing that mattered. 3 rich persons were murdered, well it is obvious someone poor did it so calling killer a clown all of a sudden means all poor people are clowns. It makes no sense what so ever, but everything is so fucked up and people are completely irrational it this kind of times...

When Arthur reads the letter she wrote for Wayne and learns that Wayne's his father, the mother says she "signed some papers". So when he sees the adoption form and newspaper clippings of him and his mother getting abused in her file, he understands what she meant by "some papers" and gets upset. I thought it was obvious, how could Jay miss all these? It feels like he didn't even watch the movie and just skipped around.

old comment but when they were scanning over her files you see it says "lobot" on the right side, showing shes had a lobotomy and it's on record so

Analman Cumeth or, Lobot from Cloud City is the real father. It was unclear, though.

When I think that somehow this was a way to imply that Batman and the Joker are actually brothers in some ethereal way- I just can't handle it. I mean we're at fan faction levels of obsession for these existing properties. I know Heath Ledgers performance was good and the Dark Knight made an implication they're two sides of the same coin... but... come the fuck on people...

I thought it was implied that his mother abused him and she was indeed crazy.. this is why he had this mental issue from the start, she was abusing him and instead of crying he laughed, this is why she says "he was always so happy" or something like that.. I don`t remember exactly at what part they say it but it seemed pretty obvious for me that she was abusive of him

He's been monopolizing that Shaq meat for far too long

Bachagaloop Jones Ah yes, Bernie Sanders and his campaign slogan “Kill the Rich”

First the bouncy castle murder, then the crippling diabetes, and now kill the Rich... Yeah, Mike is jealous of the fame that Rich Evans has garnered on talk shows and wants to end his existence.

Dick the Rich Boy

@@lukess.s I can't believe some people still don't know this. The tweet mike put out was very respectful and sincere. They just want to carry on making stuff and move on.

@Mr061099 I think the problem with Jay’s feelings toward this movie is that it requires you to think about what is real and what isn’t, even after the movie is over. Unfortunately, I think jay closed his mind after the movie finished and just took the movie at face value.

@@tomedwards2586 These dudes are total cliches - the slight god complex movie reviewer that secretly thinks they're tastemakers of the gods. Also, they probably gave such shitty reviews because they rushed this out for content.

@@aristideregnier4883 These guys are the original cliches KZfaq-wise. Their schtick has always been watching a movie once and doing a casual review together. I think MIke did a pretty good job of praising what it did well.

@@aristideregnier4883 "These dudes are total cliches - the slight god complex movie reviewer that secretly thinks they're tastemakers of the gods. Also, they probably gave such shitty reviews because they rushed this out for content." You don't understand RedLetterMedia at all do you? RLM were the originators of film criticism on KZfaq. Ten years ago they practically invented the video essay style of film critique, that EVERYONE ELSE uses now. Also your gripe about "shitty reviews". Did you watch the video? Mike enjoyed this movie quite a bit. He defended this movie through the entire length of the video. I suggest you at least make an attempt to understand who you're bitching about before you type a comment like this. Because I can tell you shut the video off when Jay got critical and have no idea who the hell Mike and Jay are and their history on KZfaq. Because if you did, you would never say anything so enormously incorrect.

@@dm6182696 Being the inventor of something does not mean you cannot be wrong. To blindly defend somebody because you believe they created something first, frankly, is plain and simply silly. they made numerous nonsensical critiques, outright mischaracterizations, as well as a handful of simply missing major plot points. frankly, it was rather poorly done. It felt rushed, and done after only a single viewing. A viewing that I can't help but feel they didn't pay much attention in, either. I am of the opinion if you were going to do a movie critique you should at least try to watch the film more than once. Otherwise, as they seem to have done, you are likely to miss key details and factors as well as of miss major points throughout the movie

We have incidents that start massive uprisings every month it feels like. Society is failing fast.

@@mrscruffles801 Lol what uprisings are occurring in West that point towards society failing? What has happened in the last 30 years that is on the level of anything from 1914-1945? Closest thing is the Recession.

I am unreasonably annoyed with him in this review

Yet the movie is garbage and the director is a crybaby

@@wwxxww6289 Except it's not, and the director isn't tho...

I agree with Jay, most of it was a checklist. Phoenix acting hides all the messy writing

“Someone didn’t like my favorite and the best film that’s ever been made in the history of ever?? THEY COULDNT HAVE *POSSIBLY* ACTUALLY WATCHED THE MOVIE REEEEEEE” Get over it, fanboy

haha, and god bless you

Meanwhile my entire party of 7 people agreed that "Wow, she's so insanely under-written it's like she's not even a real character." Cut to that scene and all our eyes roll back so far in our heads that we fell backwards into the row behind us.

Yeah I thought those flashbacks were very necessary for lots of audience members to understand what was happening

It seemed like such a ridiculous thing that she would be his girlfriend that it almost took me out of the movie, so when it was revealed that he fantasized it I was actually more relieved than shocked.

They gotta dumb it down for the broadest audience. And flashbacks were only what, 10-15 seconds? That's pretty efficient, and nicely done. And most everybody can enjoy it then. "DaVinci Code" (book) was criticized for that I believe...but sold pretty well. I knew somebody wondering about the end of first Blair Witch...of course that hinged on a few seconds about an hour earlier.

Well, he understood that many are mean as hell, he must have understood his mother's grievances about her life... to me he seems to want things to be good and he himself does not express any sort of violence until it's done to him quite many times. This is part of why he snaps, and that he is taken of the medicines he so much needs, so in some essence the upper class created him just like the upper class created the French revolution. He also notices the deep class divide, and that De Niro's character is really just there for the laughs.. The incels do not just go to do that to be awful, it's a sort of revenge things for them, they do justify it. Joker has part of this mentality as he has these fantasies about the young girl living in the same apartment complex.. at one point he imagines himself just going to her like a king to have sex and these fantasies partly make him think that he just has the right to enter her apartment..

That'll work on today's social media driven society, but not in this late 70's Gotham. Things escalated dramatically for no aparent reason.

George Zee Mass protests and riots have been a thing forever though. Like the LA riots stemmed from a huge undercurrent of systemic issues plus a single, well-known event (beating of Rodney King). In Joker, there was a huge undercurrent of systemic issues, and then several single, well-known events. Makes sense to me

I agree with Jay that it wasn't as clever or well thought or presented as it could've been, but sort of with Mike on it slowly escalating to some extent with Thomas Wayne becoming the enemy of the people. It could've probably used more hints at police brutality and civil unrest before that, with or without Fleck understanding what was going on.

The media has always reflected society, that's why people hate it. It's literally funded by the general public since ads wouldn't sell if nobody watched or read what "the media" publishes.

yea and he was also a shitty narrator himself, creating these scenarios with his "girlfriend" or people laughing at his jokes at Pogos or his "girlfriend" thinking that murdering those three guys makes him a hero. It was all set up this way to show his delusions and imaginations, but Jay couldn't understand that.

@@miraculoussimpson6785 indeed

No one said anything about an “elaborate set up”. But you still need to build up the main conflict of your movie more than just a little bit

@@Phoenixifyable The protest aren't the main conflict of the movie, they are just a scenery piece.

@@itsasecrettoeverybody what is a “scenery piece”? It’s not just background fluff if that’s what you mean. They directly impact the themes and conflict of the movie, and are pivotal to Arthur’s descent.

@keflar5 He isn't right if all his criticisms come from blatantly missing key moments in the movie.

Yeah feel like he is being a bit contrarian here, I usually agree with him but I think this review is a bit too harsh

@keflar5 shut up sperg

Undoubtedly.

keflar5 shut up sperg

I think his point is more that the film doesn't deal in nuances and subtitles.

@@crappymcdick subtitles can be turned on on the bluray or dvd

@@crappymcdick You should not need it. As soon as he asks about how he's gonna get his med, you should anticipate big changes. idk it's common sense. It's like chekov's gun

Hell's f'in bells, Dylan.

@@Bran_Flakesx7 Chekov's Prescription

great observation mate. I loved the music

One of the songs was one that they play at sporting events. It made no sense.

very strange seeing you here, thanks for teaching me famitracker lol

@@cuckertarlson5310 I'm the Joker, baby

@@mrplow2843 Are you a pedophile? Who sticks their fingers into little boy's mouth?

He like when stuff go boom

Jay is annoying

It's amazing, sometimes these guys become a spitting image of the people they mock.

More like 75%, he started only paying attention on the third act.

Maybe because he cannot empathize with Joker. He's more like a Wayne than a Joker.

@j mula I am somewhat of an observant one. Thanks! :D

@@anthonywarren9885 Mike and Jay do great work. It was a small detail to miss and no one is perfect.

Also when Jay says that how is it possible that just because the Joker killed tree guys in the subway suddenly it becomes a movement. It wasn't because he killed them, it was because Thomas Wayne said that everyone that didn't have his life in order was a clown like him, causing the public to backlash.

@@16-bitmascot12 Yeah, I don't think that's what Jay was saying at all. He offered that up as an idea as to why he didn't have access to his medication while failing to realize it was because his access to his mental health councillor who facilitated his prescriptions was terminated. I don't think jay was trivializing the use and access to medication as such.

i was going to write this exact same thing :)

I don't think he actually has, though. I know what you're referring, but I don't think he was talking about Mike and Jay.

Also Mr. Freeze "...Who would have thawed it?"

Whyyyyyy...- Batman

Yeah, I felt it was his inflammatory comments regarding that event that was the major spark, not the event itself.

Tomás Wayne

Yea thats what I was thinking too

I feel Waynes comments confirmed to the "clowns" that the rich really don't get it - whatever "it" maybe. I feel the movies intro set up the riots before any of the main characters even spoke. I think the first line was "is it me or is it getting crazier out there?" Setting this up in the first 5 minutes allows the movie to focus more on Arthur and his demise/rise.

It all came down at the same time. The murders gave Thomas Wayne the reason to call the less privileged "Clowns" so eventually, with some people seeing Joker as a hero vigilante (which also gives a huge jump-start to a Batman story), it all explodes into Joker being an involuntary symbol for the poor exploited people of Gotham against the filthy rich Waynes. So the riots at the end were all over the place. Joker was taken as a dangerous revolutionary figure by an angry crowd and there lies the danger. For them in the film but also for us to know this is a bad way to fight the good fight.

Dick the Rich

No no no, what he does is called hibernation.

i thought he had already died???

I see him doing more of an "Oh finally", closing his eyes, and opening his arms wide.

Oh my gooooddddd

Man these types of comments made me think taxi driver is overrated, I never did until 20 reviews say the same exact thing

@@spooderlover3512 its better than fucking joker

@@spooderlover3512 If that's you're opinion then i really don't think you should be allowed to talk about film, go watch transformers 13.

@@spooderlover3512 i absolutely love the joker but i gotta say taxi driver is way better

@@samsmith3590 I have only seen taxi driver once and didn't like it but I was also a teenager and probably just didn't get it.

The movie isn't that deep.

@@wadebishop1413 Which makes it that much more hilarious that he fucked it up so bad.

@@marcellogenovese199 jay or todd?

There’s not much to get invested in.

He only had HALF IN THE BAG.

Just like that one Ghost Hunters episode

12SPASTIC12 Except this time it was for something good

@@onnixcarmichele3911 trying at least. this movie ain't sloppy.

I don’t get Jays hate for this movie. It’s a really good movie. The 3 guys who got shot in the subway is based on a actual event that happened in NY. So he is wrong. When that actually happened people were rooting the shooter encouraging it. They claimed they were happy someone was fighting back to crime. He is way over reacting.

@@onnixcarmichele3911 objective quality lol

Jay is criticizing a DC movie because the "regular" people living within the universe want to DO something about their city and it's troubles, while the "regular"people in Marvel movies are just background, and are just going about their lives hoping Superheroes will save them. BTW - these are just movies about comic books. "Don't get goofy on me" (Ed Wood)

@@thevincentgonzalesplan Wow! You said so much, yet so little

@Ricky Nuggets Even Mike liked the movie. And that's totally rich coming from a RLM fan. You just proved my point. Jay's fucking words are not final. He's a just a self indulgent obnoxious know it all that attracts other people with similar personality traits.

@Ricky Nuggets I hate to call projection, but you're literally describing yourself. You're butthurt that people disagree with you.

@Ricky Nuggets fuck off, dumb edgelord

We all need a link to that clip

i'm surprised Mike and Jay didnt mention how 10 years ago, Joaquin pretended to quit acting and become a rapper, all for a fake documentary. He's always been a performance artist

That is the face of a man who was destined to play the joker at some stage XD

Who Dat Ninja for a shit movie. I don't care much for method actors, to me it just shows how weak their acting is that they have to use their real life to try to become more like their on screen character

Does anyone know what this is from?

Oh God I never realised this.

That's a good thought but I think it damages the message of the film if that was the intention, so it was probably real

He didn't have a hallucination after his laughing attack in the first scene with his therapist

@@loganobrien6731 some people think the whole movie was a hallucination

@@bluegum6438 I think if it was the intention, the vagueness of the whole thing really helps the film. Cuz like, what this really tells us is that he does hallucinate a lot after a laughing fit. The hallucinations could be completely fake, or maybe a little real, or completely real. Even he doesn't know, and neither could we. "Did the people in the train really attack him?" becomes a question with no clear answer. That's a big point in the movie's favor.

@SuperNoone89 maybe it isn't a masterpiece, but it is by no means exceedingly mediocre

@SuperNoone89 He can dislike whatever he wants. But if a person is going to make money reviewing movies, then he better know the plot points of the movie. Jay mentioned multiple "issues" with this film that aren't even issues if he'd actually paid attention. He says he doesn't want movies that are "theme rides" but then he complains that this one takes its time and focuses on one character.

@@Archonus Falling down is so much worse than Joker, what the fuck. Taxi Driver and Joker can be similiar but they're also so much different, Travis isn't beat down at the any point in the movie, what drives him into madness is mainly his loneliness and the city's promiscuity, also his disturbed sense of moral. In Joker the point is the lack of empathy on a fucked up society (yes i had to say it) that can drives someone into madness. It seems that the people who brings Taxi Driver into this kind of discussion never watched the damn movie.

@@Archonus Mike had to remind Jay of references to the medication and the events surrounding civil unrest. So, no, he didn't see those things. And when Mike reminded him, he simply disregarded them as "sloppy" or "muddled" to avoid being wrong.

@SuperNoone89 if his fat ass doesn't like being judged, should find another job

I agree, and his comments on how he "knows best" and would fix things for these poor people just made it worse.

Thomas wayne...is trump...

Except no he is not trump, not in the least. Trump reaches out to the blue collar working classes of middle america, and does so with down to earth, simplified speech. He is then hated by the coastal elites because of this reason. Completely different dichotomy. " Wayne is rich, Trump is rich, people don't like Wayne and people don't like trump so Wayne must represent trump" view is so simple and narrow minded

Gustavus Adolphus I felt like he was both trump/hillary ...I'm glad the trump impersonator dropped out of playing Wayne

@@opmdevil I saw Thomas Wayne far more of a Ronald Reagan type then Trump. He is from high society and really doesn't understand the poor, but feels he know best how to help them.... while at the same time being annoyed they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

@Redresseny Nah, he did, but he let his hatred and dispassion fuel his bullshit opinion. Jay is my boy but he needs to go fuck a fuck.

It makes perfect sense remember that time trump called the the lower class pigs so thousands of violent protesters marched through the streets while dressed as pigs

@@jebbryant6522 when did this happen

Cam Medina the concept of sarcasm ^ ^ ^ Your head

@@jebbryant6522 that's not sarcasm you buffoon

He’s saying the movie meandered

he decided he didn't like it before he watched it. jay is the kind of guy who let's other people make up his mind

@@Demilich23 Nah, that's not Jay's style of thinking. I think he just expected it to stay at the same pace or a similar pace to the opening and world development. (and maybe set himself up with a few expectations that didn't pan out) Personally, I'm glad they picked up the pace once things started deteriorating. It actually helped Arthur's craziness stand out. He was ironically becoming more sane after giving up on life while the world was snapping around him. Beautiful. Saying people let others make up someone else's mind comes off as extremely dismissive, kind of like how so many told people that didn't like TLJ "You're just upset because your fan theory didn't pan out."

​@@ashkebora7262 very good point, I didn't see things that way. I really like your take on the second half of the movie btw.

Because the movie spends a loooooot of time with one side of the character and suddenly near the end he completely snaps. And it's not really built up, more like telegraphed but it didn't feel earned.

@dietcola Looks like you're the stupid one here.

It seemed that way... He should have watched the movie on its own merits, THEN think about the director.

I just don’t understand what exactly he didn’t work so much for him past the introductory “check mark” stuff in act 1. Not to comment on the film myself, but I don’t really think he considered the film’s merits too much next to its more derivative or less-explained parts.

IMO Mike & Jay are the legit 21st century successors to Siskel & Ebert... and Jay certainly went full Siskel in this review: straining to nitpick things about a good movie so he can appear above mindless popular opinion. Most of time it works, because most studio films are hollow, craptastic attempts to cash in on established franchises. But in this case, this was actually a good movie and Jay is being ridiculous.

I was agreeing with everything he said and I love the hangover.

Director he dislike makes another movie he dislikes? You don't say?

Even better, you could add little kid slaves shouting "WoOhOo!" as Arthur sets the animals free instead of them, and in the end you see how they got inspired by the Joker's actions (?).

Then, as he blows up 3 police cars with a single shot of his revolver, he yells to a dog, "Woo! I like this!"

That would definitely have subverted expectations.

Lmfao fuck TLJ.

Haha vertically challenged

He ain't wrong tho

TRUMP 2020

I wonder if they picked him because this movie had a Taxi Driver type feel. Nah, too on the nose.

@@cattleprodding Actually king of Comedy check it out. Way more on the nose than you think.

@@SigmaoctanusIV It was a shameless mix of both. And he was clearly picked because of it.

his diabeetus is causing slurring

"I told you when we hooked up babyyyy....."

Drew Carry's Joker is honestly one of the best interpretions on Heath Ledger's interpretion of the Joker

Why isn't your name HELIX Charles?

Wonder how ICP feels about Hollywood Stealing their gig.

No. If the wall street guys killed a homeless guy, the metaphor would work. But no, a poor guy murdered three other people. Why would that lead to a riot?

@@bloodyplebs because other poor oppressed people just like Arthur finally have a voice

@@eziospaghettiauditore8369 this makes no sense. Murder is not a voice. Murder is a horrible crime.

@@bloodyplebs Wow, so brave of you to say that. I think murder is really cool and funny

@@cheeseguru1017 thanks, someone had to say it.

What are you talking about? Nobody argues about Joker in the comments section, that’s ridiculous and you’re wrong.

... like art should do 👍👍 Good movie

@@ARI-vx1ir i disagree and will now go on a 2000 word tirade about this issue

We live in a susciety

That tends to happen a lot in RLM reviews. Not that that invalidates their input on the stuff they actually noticed through the haze of alcoholism.

Disappointing since his usually the more insightful of when it comes to Half in the Bag.

He entered the movie with the bias of not liking the director and his previous movies, from the get go he was prepared for not liking the movie

Actually a little frustrating to watch lol.

Yeah, he didn't seem to catch the Thomas Wayne campaign/calling people clowns thing that incited the protests

I see what you did there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I didn't understand that scene. Maybe if he had "Damaged" tattooed on his forehead I would have got it.

no, just a flex-tape tattoo

@@banzaiboy1597 don't forget the classic Joker grill, can't have Joker without capped teeth

@@banzaiboy1597 I'm slow, so just to clarify... that scene wasn't actually in the movie, was it?

me too

It’s crazy how correct this is

It felt like Jay had decided his opinion on the movie based on the director’s previous work without actively watching it

@@2ndbleak Joker was crap besides the third act

@@2ndbleak EXACTAMUNDO

year of the snitch And the symbol of the rich in culture, Murray, made fun of a mentally ill man on tv. He’s a symbol of marginalization amidst a rough social climate. I don’t think it was as ‘fumbling’ as Jay found it to be

Gotham is obviously a powder keg just waiting for a spark to ignite it. They allude to this fact several times. They don’t need to justify it beyond that.

I was tearing me hair out when they were talking about that! I'm like YO, JAY, The guy running for mayor just called EVERYONE who lives in poverty in Gotham CLOWNS on national TV. That's what started the riots JAY. That's why they dressed up like clowns, And yes Arthur's actions eventually led up to that happening it wasn't a direct cause and effect.

Well that and at the very beginning of the movie when he's putting on makeup the radio is talking about how trash is piling up because of like 18 days of striking. The clown boss talks about how everyone is poor and out of jobs. And then major rat infestation happens because of the trash. The radio part is kinda easy to miss ( I watched with subtitles). So the movie certainly slowly builds up to the rioting in steps.

Haven’t seen it, but that just sounds like very heavy handed political commentary to me

@@ilikerice5208 wrong

Jay was so annoyingly incorrect about so many things on this review. I want my money back Jay!!!

"I didn't like the movie that much" "Neither did I, here's why it was bad" "Wrong, all that stuff was great"

@@TopBurger239 Wrong

@@ilikerice5208 You are right

Something something "society" -gamer joker 2019

"SCIENCE! FUCK YEAH!"

"Now THIS is podracing!" - Joker, 2019

1:54 "KHAAAAAN! KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!"

"I like clowns"

I remember that from BREAKING AWAY.

That and the burglar joke was funny.

Yeah it's like he intentionally dumbs down everything in the movie.

Agreed.

@@alexjones7043 agreed.

The fact that he wasn't able to properly put into words why "the first 1.5 hours were sloppy" other than that it lacked build-up, to which mike gracefully responds exactly what I was thinking (they took 2 hours!), shows how he didn't want to accept that Todd Phillips made a fine movie.

Nope, the movie is just shit

The Forgotten Ones i think that’s the joke

It does feel like he wanted to dislike it rather than viewed it with a critical eye. I disagree with almost everything he says in this review.

Yeah I agree. I have A LOT of criticisms of the movie and it’s definitely overrated but is still a good film overall, and really saying anything other than that just shows an inherent bias against the film

I didn't like it much. Felt like the climax was too close to the end and there wasn't a proper descent from that. There was a couple scenes I really liked, but the movie was just too slow. It spent a lot of time laying the groundwork, but I dont think it paid off well enough.

@Jaigarful I can agree with that. For a film titled “Joker” he only really becomes Joker in the last 20 minutes, and even then he’s more of a bumbling bafoon than a criminal mastermind. It’d be the equivalent of Batman only ever putting on the costume in the in the final battle of Batman Begins. It feels like the script was originally designed to be a Taxi Driver reboot (as the story structure is almost identical, and some of the scenes are even almost shot for shot the same), and then Warner Bros redesigned it to squeeze in the Joker and make it a supervillain movie so it’d sell more tickets.

Jaw dropping? Seriously? This is one of the best known and loved characters in fiction. They figured, rightly, that people would love to see an origin story of him. It is too bad that it is mediocre at best.

We have king of comedy and taxi driver at home

Yeah, I still don't get Jay's interpretation, except by assuming he just doesn't want to believe the movie as sincere for coming from a director he (I guess) dislikes.

My expectations were though. RIP

I’m not. 1/10

Gamers didn't rise up Mission failed we'll get em next time

Oh, they were murdered at the screaming. They just still showed up after their death to review the movie. That is what we call commitment.

It's almost as if journalists were fear mongering and trying to meme a shooting into existence for clicks 🤔

Thanks for this lol i am happy now

What do you mean?

Dapstart a surprise is unexpected

@@labieredebuff8953 all surprises are unexpected by definition

@@piemanmoo thanks, i better stop being illiterate pleb.

I didn't want to dislike it. I wanted to like it. But I have no choice but to dislike it.

Oh no..

They better not have. Who will make good movies then.

Oh fuck. I hope this doesn't ends up in r/agedlikemilk

At least if he does go (God and Satan pls no), he went out on a high note with producing Joker and making The Irishman (which, of course, isn't out yet but looks great).

If the reports mention a small alcoholic who laughs like a hyena, we'll know the guy.

I mean he's an extremely biased person

The first time I tried to watch Red Letter, I knew I wouldn’t like them because of how overrated they are and wrong in their reviews. Dunno why people enjoy these guys.

@@ThatCreeNative1 Yeah, but don't admit that here. They have the most toxic fanbase out there

Mike liked it. Also, Jay doesn’t have to like it. I did.

Also, Todd Phillips did something very few directors pull off successfully. Changed genres and found success there.

They have before, but i cant remember for the life of me what movie it was.

In the Jurassic World review they were completely at odds.

Their Re:views of the Blair Witch and Escape from New York

If anything, I like when they don't completely agree on a movie. It makes the film they're reviewing that much more interesting if it can get this kind of reaction.

@@TheDakattack3000 Read that as Blair Witch: Escape from New York and now I want to see that film.

He tries too hard

It happens, if you can't get into a movie or are simply not that interested in it beforehand, you tend to not pay 100% attention to it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

And this is Gotham. If that city is known for anything it is riots and following whatever criminal is in power at the time.... and they almost always create a riot.

Or that the mob dresses as clowns not because of Arthur's murders but because Thomas Wayne said in an interview that those who hated the rich were clowns.

or that the cops shoot a guy on a train

Well the movie kinda forgets it too. There really isn't much focus given to the anti-rich sentiment or the tension the city's feeling. All we have is basically the radio and TV broadcasts; nothing visual or otherwise to show us the city is a powder keg waiting to blow.

@@BullofCrete The kids beating a clown is not visual? Why do you need more? Do you want scene of super rats biting people's legs or precious screen time of shit happening to Joker, because he is the focus of the movie. I mean isn't it ironic and joke in the story that the guy that's starts it all has completely different motivation than the mob, they want cleaner streets he wants cleaner people. If their goals were the same, the filmakers would probably do more scenes featuring rants about garbage.

Probably trying not to spark an uprising =T

Hacks

Only Mike would have such daring audacity to pull that off

👍

They don’t want their headquarters to be mobbed by poor people in clown masks.

Welcome to RedLetterMedia!

very obvious bias

I've seen him do that before, I'm not surprised.

@@Dolirn Yeaaaah I know, I can still express my thoughts though. That's what the comments are for.

@@mmartinisgreat I agree, I think his performance was excellent. He certainly came off as genuine, I feel.