I just wish the turret were a bit more spaced out, so that she wouldnt have such godawfull firing angles

Interesting. I’ll have to take a look.

@@Legendendear I know, it's happened to me at least once on most of the ships I've played, but it's been more common on the GK at least for me, at least 1/8-10ish battles (I haven't really tested it, just noticed it happening more)

Schlieffen at home:

Yeah, it's too easy to make obsolete.

If you have someone spotting yes, other wise no.

And armor that works. FDG's armor often 404s on you.

Well, yes, there were those huge railway guns, but that has very little to do with naval ship weapons. A battleship big enough to carry 800 mm (31.5 inch) guns would have had to be at least twice as big as the biggest actually existing battleships. The really existing German battleships were close range brawlers, but not because their guns wouldn't have been accurate, but because they were built for the conditions of the North Atlantic ocean, meaning, bad weather, choppy waters and bad visibility. The problem with games like this is that you... A: need to balance stuff, meaning for every strength, you need to give a ship a weakness and B: different factions, nations and tech trees need different "flavors" and characters. One faction needs to be the tough short range brawlers, one faction needs to be the long range snipers, one faction needs to be the sneaky, stealthy ones and so on. The German faction just got assigned the job of being the tough short range brawlers. It would be bad balancing to also give them accurate sniper guns. The still relatively new German battlecruiser line got better guns, but they pay for that with worse armor, for example. Another thing that is not accurate is that German shells in this game are unusually light weight, which causes them to have a high initial muzzle velocity, but lose lots of speed and penetration power over longer distances. It is true that the Germans did develop light weight ammo for their large caliber artillery guns, but those special light weight shells were only supposed to be used by coastal defense guns. The battleships never carried or used those light weight shells. Still, the developers of the game heard about that German light weight shell development and so they made all the German shells in the game light weight, because that is "the German thing" now.

I do wish there was the H-45 internet paper battleship design in wows lol. 80 c/m battleship gun would penetrate and even overpen almost any type of armour.

Aren't they fixed angle torps tho? So you have to aim with your giant whale ship lol I would still love to get some torps. WG thinks the turtleback armor scheme is way too op it feels like.

Actually they also included sharnhorst torpedoes on the sides aswell for self defense and raiding

In reality the Germans would have realized that submerged fixed torps would have been obsolete and have very little use in real battle. Most navies realized during the 1930’s that their battleships that still had submerged torps were just taking up unnecessary space in the ship and could lead to catastrophic damage if one were to blown up by an enemy shell. That’s why most did away with these torps during modernization efforts. The Germans would have either removed the submerged torps from the design altogether or have the torps placed on the top deck on rotating launchers like the Sharnhorst and Tirpitz eventually did.

@@Wetwilly87 hm, no wonder why wargaming didn't do that. In reality, if they were to build the H-41 with the planned submerged torps, they would obviously either, remove it, or place it at the top decks.

@@bruhh2995 while I do appreciate WG making the H class closer to what they supposed to be with their 8 guns only setup, I don’t like that they took away their large caliber secondaries the 150mm and replaced them with DP 128mm secondaries. Every German capital ship design from WW1 to WW2 had 150mm secondary guns. The Germans placed great emphasis on having large caliber secondaries because they feared close range torpedo attacks from Destroyers and Cruisers.

Gk

It's just GK with 18 inch guns, better AA and firing angles.

Likely as soon as the Early Access event stops making enough money.

The thing with BBs is you don't want to be on fire in 3-4 places very often. If you are you've overextended and you're dying very soon afterwards. So all you're really investing in when you take that skill is to do a bit more damage when you've suicided into a Smolensk or something and are about to die. A bit niche, honestly, and encourages bad gameplay habits. You're better off investing those four points into concealment, an extra heal, or maybe a couple of lower level skills.

@@RPGTKingpin well it thank you! its true, its kinda risky - but i think, the amout we bbs are one fire - and set on fire.... coooould legit that statt but thanks - good food for thought (ps english is not my first language - so pls forgive me for some errors)

Have you ever seen Vladivostok? :D

@@siriusczech That thing looks so weird, I doubt it's even a paper ship

That's the Steam camo.

Hannover

varies, ability to angle is critical, GK can out maneuver hannover and get into better firing angles, 1 on 1 a good GK player can kill an Hannover, also knowing where to aim makes a big difference, when firing at a well armored German, Russian or French BB, if a citadel isn't likely you are better off aiming for where the superstructure meets the top layer of belt armour, that top layer is usually a lot weaker so you will collect a lot of pens and hit with almost all your guns, 20k salvos are achievable, obviously if the target is well angled just fire directly into superstructure, aiming for fore or aft armour at long range will make you miss with too many of your guns to rack up a good score. I wouldn't change to HE in most cases as most players will make a mistake in gun fights and show too much broadside eventually and you want to be ready for that at all times.

Well most players want to brawl. What blows is Germany is the only nation that has brawling oriented ships. So it's great if you can get the enemy in close range. But horrible if you keep getting HE spammed or sniped. Sometimes I really want a good battle but all the enemies are sniping from the back and I can't hit them because of German dispersion. Would be nice if there were more maps with cover and less open water.

hannovers do like to burn

They should at least throw torps on it. Something like Z-44 2x5 launchers. Every premium/special german ship past VI has access to torps. Well up until Hannover anyway, but it should have torps as well even if only 2x3 launchers. Idk, I'm just starving for a proper tX german BB for steel.

@@maithiunas1171 Yeah this exactly. All German BBs were going to receive torps so why don't they have them in this game?

They're doing the same with it that they did with Moskva and Kirov. The only reason it's going to the Armoury is because some people will complain if it's removed entirely from the game.

GK does need a buff, either a 2x4 torps like the ones on the hindenburg or more secondaries... every other premium ship gets a buff but not the GK, doesn't make sense to me

Yeah with the Preussen, which is basically a GK with 18 in. twin gun turrets (and slightly better close range AA).

What if you've researched it but not bought it yet?

@@Gvardsman let the credit grind commence, lol kill me.

@@Gvardsman yeah, I'd probably have to screen shot the dev blog as evidence if they try to pull a fast one.

understandable.

Nerf? It is already not good.

you use its speed to escape any danger. I've watched dozens of plays where the schliffi will run right through the middle of a group, and smack everybody with guns and secondaries, and most of the other ships turrets couldn't even keep up. you are dead wrong. there is skill involved on both sides of the issue.

@@thomasneal9291 and not a single DD took care of it...?