Hanwei Cromwell Backsword Review and Comparison to the Cold Steel English Backsword

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Michael Rizzo

Michael Rizzo

3 жыл бұрын

A quick review of the Hanwei Cromwell, comparing it to the Cold Steel English Backsword. I like 'em both, but there are some significant differences in the details...
Chicago Knife Works link for the Hanwei Cromwell:
www.chicagoknifeworks.com/cas...

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@zlonius6159
@zlonius6159 Жыл бұрын
Glad I found your channel!! Excellent material
@andresjackson9367
@andresjackson9367 3 жыл бұрын
Backswords need more love
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Also, backswords need more backswords on the market!
@kennethg9277
@kennethg9277 3 жыл бұрын
Good quality review as ever sir
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@erichusayn
@erichusayn 3 жыл бұрын
Their shashka is my all time favorite hanwei product.
@theeddorian
@theeddorian 5 ай бұрын
My main quibble with the Cold Steel backsword is that if you search "mortuary sword" the _only_ example that looks like the CS product IS the CS product. The hilt has the look of being an Indian impressionist swordsmith's impression of an English basket hilt in sheet steel. It is definitely functional, but not a replica. If you look up Cromwell's swords in the Cromwell Museum, one of the "mortuary swords" has a single side bar on the outside of the guard, and a thumb ring on the inside, and no bar. The other has bars and both sides, and one vertical connecting the knuckle bow to the bars on either side, and a smaller bar connecting the knuckle bow to the shell. Neither the Hanwei nor the CS versions really look right in the hilt.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 5 ай бұрын
Hanwei really fudged it, especially by just painting on the scrollwork instead of carving it in, but I like it a lot better than the CS. The CS is a good functional training tool, but that blade finish is just bleh and that guard is definitely disappointing, especially since I know they can do better.
@theeddorian
@theeddorian 5 ай бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 The blade is definitely over polished. It is surprisingly nimble, and I find it thrusts accurately, or at least as accurately as I can thrust. It cut reasonably well out of the box, slashing card board, not razor sharp, crap at cutting paper. The sweet spot for cutting is just past the end of the longest fuller. The Hanwei is an approximation of the "Cromwell Sword" in the Royal Armory. It - the real one - has a japanned guard, gilded decoration and some nice bar work on the guard. The cup is pierced, and the grip is "fish skin" wrapped in wire. The Hanwei mostly does a good job at the hilt end. The original blade is a backsword, and doesn't appear to have much if any false edge. Both the Hanwei and CS blades are likely much superior to the original blade, and of the two, the CS is probably slightly closer, though the original has one really long, irregular fuller that almost reaches the tip. And it might have a ghost of a second on one side. The Royal Armory has a website you probably would like if you don't already know it.
@TacticalCaveman997
@TacticalCaveman997 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely gonna get a backsword some day. Absolute bone breakers ! Good cutters too.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
*HINT If the goo on cold steel was cosmoline then use either a rag or paper towel soaked in rubbing alcohol & it removes it far easier
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I eventually took to the grip and guard.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 Í was amazed once I was told about the trick as it made things far easier. Cosmoline is a good protectant for shipping & very long term storage, but man is it a goopy mess!
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
I've wanted a mortuary sword for a long time! Still don't have one lol I settled for a cold steel scottish broadsword until.... But this review helps between these 2, which are about the only 2 out there... Also interesting is that you curled the ends. Personally I usually file sharp corners g the like, but that might not have worked here as it might have mucked with the decorative engraved lines. But so glad you put this up!
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
I probably will cut them off once I figure out an artistic way to do it. They still snag.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 probably the best option.
@ColdNapalm42
@ColdNapalm42 3 жыл бұрын
If you are interested in a practice version for these swords, Castille Armoury makes some really nice ones with a budget version of a basket hilt that is no nonsense to how much you wanna spend to make it pretty. I have handled the 34 inch budget version and it handles wonderfully.
@ravenhill_firelord_1968
@ravenhill_firelord_1968 2 жыл бұрын
i have these swords, very happy with them.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 2 жыл бұрын
I still enjoy and regularly practice with them, especially the Cromwell, though I did give the grip a leather wrapping.
@darkmoonmiracle
@darkmoonmiracle 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been nice if they added a thumb ring to this sword. But I am very interested in obtaining one of these.
@TheHallofTyr
@TheHallofTyr 8 ай бұрын
The bend in the Hanwei actually shows an inferior taper. A blade like those thats tempered and tapered correctly should bend evenly because a concentrated bend introduces more stress to a smaller area of the blade which can lead to breakage. The longer more even bend allows the blade to flex more under stress while still springing back to straight without damage.
@adamphilomelos6703
@adamphilomelos6703 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! I have got a question: how thick is tang in both of these swords? Is it possible to check, are tangs on these swords screwed or peened?
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't managed to get either one apart, but I don't think they're peened. Maybe if they loosen up with use I'll try again but I didn't want to force it too much. The CS was probably made by Windlass, and their tangs usually drop down to about half the width of the blade initially and then taper evenly to the threaded part. The Hanwei replacement Tinker blades look similar.
@robinmarks4771
@robinmarks4771 Жыл бұрын
In regards to your complaint about lack of false edges on these, many (though certainly not all) surviving historical examples don't have false edges. Backswords were predominantly single-edged by historical standards. Totally understand wanting a false edge, though, even if it they were historically rare. Cheers!
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 Жыл бұрын
And, of course, I put one on...
@joshalmighty1901
@joshalmighty1901 3 жыл бұрын
So I Ordered a Dark Prince hand and a half long sword from "Dark Sword Armory". Its beautiful, but very dull. I don't have a belt sander, any tips/ techniques to sharpen it?
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
So how dull is dull? Bad beveling on the factory sharpening (KOA and SBG list it as "sharp") or actually blunt? You might be able to improve a mediocre edge with a decent sharpening steel or diamond stone, or make a good edge better with steel or wet stones, but if you need to reshape or remove metal... Depends on how hard the blade is. It's possible with a good fine file--I've done it myself with my old Marto swords--but it's a long, miserable job. A basic Worksharp or cheap 1X30 belt sander should be less than 100USD. It may also be possible with a Dremel and a lot of patience, but may not be very even. The upside of using hand tools is there may be fewer catastrophic "oops" moments and you won't risk overheating the blade.
@omarceriani3371
@omarceriani3371 Жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, l have one question for you: among the swords you own, which of them is the best for you, the one you would take on the battlefield?
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 Жыл бұрын
Battlefield? I'd go for ease of carry, durability, versatility and low maintenance. One of my beefier shin gunto (designed for a 1940s battlefield) or one of my "tactical" swords. I love a good basket hilt or sidesword, but they're a bit chunky to wear. An arming sword of some kind might also make it on my list.
@vladimirkovacevic1656
@vladimirkovacevic1656 2 жыл бұрын
basket hilt on cold steel sword looks cool
@mir9302
@mir9302 3 жыл бұрын
What many of us with an interest in western military swords and Katanas need is a Kyu Gunto. I've seriously considered buying one of the Universal Sword ones just to get the fittings. Pretty sure I could then do a deal with one of the forge resellers for a blank blade in 9260 spring steel.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
Funny, I had the exact same idea: put a decent katana blade in the Universal Kyu Gunto.
@mir9302
@mir9302 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 Of course the only place that sells the Universal sword models here in Europe is sold out :(
@-Zevin-
@-Zevin- 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know what the prices are like on antique Kyu Gunto are like in Europe but I have 2, and I paid less than $300 for each. One I paid only $130 for at an auction, it was a "unidentified sword" found in someone's attic, that one is a little more worn looking, but amazingly the hilt is rock solid, and all of the shark skin grip / wire wrap is immaculate and tight.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Hanwei William Marshall & tis guard & pommel are both non magnetic but as far as I can tell steel. So they logically are stainless steel, the most common kind being referred to as austenitic. In austenitic steel, there is a higher percentage off chromium, and nickel. It is the addition of nickel that renders the steel non-magnetic. I'm guessing the use stainless because it's just easier to deal with. Stainless can't be tempered well so it's not good for sword blades but guards and pumbles that don't easily rust are pretty cool idea.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
I have that Ryujin Hatamoto with the non-magnetic stainless steel tsuba. I'm guessing that's what it is based on the hardness and density.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 makes sense. I feel stainless for modern hilt components is a good idea as it is strong enough to the job & resists rusting/discoloration.
@jakemake142
@jakemake142 2 жыл бұрын
Can you fence with it? How light is it
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 2 жыл бұрын
3lbs 4oz, so on the heavier side. It is a sharp, live blade, so I use it for target thrusting, cutting and solo practice. There are blunt fencing versions.
@TheMan-je5xq
@TheMan-je5xq 2 жыл бұрын
Hey ya know the Cromwell sword on Chicagoknifeworks says it’s made of stainless steel which I won’t buy but other places I’ve checked it’s made of carbon steel. Is that just a mistake by chicagoknifeworks?
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 2 жыл бұрын
I think they may be referring to the cast guard. The blade should be 1566.
@TheMan-je5xq
@TheMan-je5xq 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 well see they also say the sword weighs 13 pounds which is ridiculous. Then they say it’s considered too heavy for free shipping, I better call em and clear all this up
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMan-je5xq Yes, I noticed they suddenly switched their $100+ purchase = free shipping to exclude all swords as "overweight/oversized". That's disappointing. Mine weighs 3lbs 4oz. Check the price over at SBG, which is usually $20 flat rate shipping. I think it's in stock.
@TheMan-je5xq
@TheMan-je5xq 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 Well just to let you know I just got off the phone with them and I informed them of this mistake with the weight and they said they are going to correct that saying that with the sheath and box included it weighs 5 pounds something which would be about right. I also wanted to know if for sure the blade is made of carbon steel and they said they would have to get back to me on that, I just want verification of this and they would probably sell a lot more of them if they put the right information on there. Since it won’t weigh so much under the description maybe then people will get free shipping on it again too
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMan-je5xq I just noticed they'd changed all their sword listings to "overweight/oversized". As they've shipped to me through UPS, maybe they got hit with a rate increase. UPS delivery in my area has been pretty iffy in the last few years. I just got an overnight package two months late.
@fatman4792
@fatman4792 3 жыл бұрын
of the two which do you prefer and which is more durable
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
I'll probably do an update soon, but I'm still so divided between them. The CS has a more comfortable grip, is almost a pound lighter, and has held up to cutting practice without a scratch. I'm also less nervous about using it hard since it was much cheaper. I did give it a better edge bevel and finally cut and rounded the sharp points on the basket. The Hanwei is a lot prettier, while the CS looks more like a chrome hood ornament. I also gave the Hanwei a katana-style Ito wrap which made the grip more comfortable, but it still tires me out faster than the CS because of the weight. I practice with them both about equally. Maybe one day I'll find a third choice to compare to?
@fatman4792
@fatman4792 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 thanks for reply, the hanwei scottish backsword might be a good third option. i was planning on cold steel but i heard eaely models were not that good. (too whippy, thin blade n tang) but i hear they fixed those.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
@@fatman4792 The CS has more flex and quite a ring to it. I've been having a hard time finding swords in general available lately, but some have started to restock. A good Scottish basket hilt is probably in my future, probably a Hanwei over a CS. The Windlass Battlecry Culloden also looks promising.
@fatman4792
@fatman4792 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 i went with the battlecry culloden over the hanwei and cold steel. reason being i hear hanwei tangs are hardened and becomes a weak point (snapping where tang meats gaurd) the culloden is a beast. and has a beautiful black marbling on blade. also the scabbard is comes with a nice frog. feels solid, pretty heavy at at basket. flexes nicely. picked one up at museum replicas unfortunately they are discontinued.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
@@fatman4792 That would be my usual luck.
@JoeSteel1
@JoeSteel1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Michael...a little too much going on in the handle of that sword...nice piece of historical recreation..yes your right Cold steel has a major shortage...like on most of their most popular machetes...production is low or not keeping up, no surprise Hanwei costs more
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
And you are correct Japanese swords fit/finish & detailing are better on average than European swords. European swords are often very utilitarian with little to no decoration. Earlier periods, like the migration & Viking eras, seem to have more fancy swords thank later...until you get to the rise in civilian arms like the cinquedea & rapier. But in repos tolerances & general quality is overall better in japanese repos than European. I think it's largely due to Japanese arts having been continuously practiced where most replica Euro swords, until around 2000 & the rise of HEMA, were either worn in reenactment or hung on walls.
@macbethmeyer1592
@macbethmeyer1592 2 жыл бұрын
Which is unfortunate for I much prefer European style blades
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 2 жыл бұрын
@@macbethmeyer1592 I also like European swords more. But replica sword makers for Japanese & Euro swords have had very different focuses for many many years
@mir9302
@mir9302 3 жыл бұрын
The older Hanwei fittings (I have two of their older Rapiers) are stainless steel, which is non magnetic. I imagine it's the same with this. If you are used to sheath retention with Katanas and such you will always be a bit disappointed with European swords, it's just not a comparison, even on many historical originals. That's a nice looking sword BTW. I love my Hanwei Gustav Rapier and I still want to try find a Hanwei Military Dadao.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
I've been considering a rapier but the ones that are most appealing to me are, of course, sold out.
@mir9302
@mir9302 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 Which ones were you looking at? Tell me about it everything is sold out and / or discontinued. I really wanted a Windlass 18th century Small Sword and they discontinued that right out of the blue and no old stock anywhere. May have to get their 1840 NCO sword instead. At least my Windlass Culloden is sitting at the post office for collection next week.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
@@mir9302 There were a couple from Windlass and Cold Steel that caught my eye, mostly because I'm not ready to spend a lot on a sword I'm not very familiar with and may not get much use out of.
@mir9302
@mir9302 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrizzo5523 The windlass Rapiers are pretty solid and some have good prices. You really need to handle before buying. The Windlass Pilsen is very nice for people with smaller hands. Another option is the Windlass "Sword of the 30 years War". I had one of those. It is something in between a true rapier and a side sword. I personally liked it a lot. Got offered more than I paid for it and sold it though.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 3 жыл бұрын
@@mir9302 The 30 looks very nice but, my luck, discontinued...
@jf5078
@jf5078 Жыл бұрын
What HEMA arts do you study? HEMA is sort of a generic term even worse than someone saying they train kenjutsu or karate. Good review though. I also am a fan of the early backswords especially mortuary hilts.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 Жыл бұрын
For backsword and broadsword I started diving into McBane and Silver, but have been practicing Ferdinand and Page a lot lately. I also crosstrain these swords in "sidesword" style, since I've really gotten into Manciolino, and unpacking a bit of Meyer. Very interesting contrasts. There's also crossover potential I've found in later Saber such as Hope and Hutton. Kind of getting a sense of a lot of systems, see how they compare to the Japanese and Chinese forms I've picked up. Not sure what all's going to "stick" for me yet.
@barefoofDr
@barefoofDr Ай бұрын
Neither of thes swords have distial tape and are jus useless bars of iron.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 Ай бұрын
The CS suffers from being fundamentally a Windlass product ("Distal taper? What's distal taper?") but the Hanwei is pretty unforgivable as I know they can make a much better blade. Their basket hilt backswords have distal taper. And, yes, I'd love a recommendation for a better one.
@notsans9995
@notsans9995 Жыл бұрын
Shame the blade is not better considering it has such a pretty hilt. I would probably pay in the $500 range if the blade had a better geometry with more refined fullers and finish.
@michaelrizzo5523
@michaelrizzo5523 Жыл бұрын
I've polished a lot of that fake "antiquing" off and improved the grip and edges, added a partial leather liner. It handles and cuts pretty well now. Time for an update, I suppose.
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