You and you old man are like me. Have a old school soul. Not many of us left. Panhead Billy is the definition of old school soul. Your generation is one of the last to have old school souls. I have noticed when bikers get older, many will revert to a comfy bagger. Sometimes it is a necessity, I guess. I dont know. I also think alot of young people cannot afford a single part on a Harley cause they dont wanna work for it. Maybe I am wrong but I hope the days of old will come back again.

Yup, I'm 60 now n just yesterday here in Louisiana we got together for a ride, another 57 yr old showed up on his bike, the other 12 guys were calling n saying it's raining but it was only sprinkling. Two hrs later the guys hooked up with us cus it stopped raining and they wanted to go stop for a beer! Lol when they pulled in, I just kept riding. I oddly enuf couldn't see myself drinkin a beer with them. Just saying. Glad y'all's bikes enjoyed the lil trip.

Sally, it's great you are keeping the culture alive. I just stumbled into your video and subscribed. Cant wait to see the rest.

Yeah it's sad to say but the bike life of today is Nothing of the bike life of yesterday. I can honestly say this because I have been riding for 43 years. Will be 61 this October but still on 2 wheels & knees in 'da breeze ever chance I get. Today it's the so called "Latest Greatest" bike you can get. Not to mention all those Big Wheel Show bikes you never see in every day life but on trailers when there is a rally or bike event. Comradery , Brotherhood & Respect is a rare thing today. I want to say Thank you for the way ya'll keep the lifestyle real & let ya'll know really dig the videos & content on your channel !

Spent two weeks in Provo, Orem & Springville a few years back, never did get used to the sun rising over the mountains in the East!. That trip was on a ‘57 Panhead. Fun.

We didn't quit anything, we just don't buy into " everyone gets that respect " when so many simply bought it ,,, while we all been living it for 50+ years and only have one good shirt to wear. Keep doing what you're doing, after a while you will see us around, and maybe along the way someone will invite you into what you're looking for, but you got to keep earning it even long after you think you found it! You/re on the right path, doing damn good too, keep it up and decades from now you will feel it in the mirror looking back at you. You just got to put in your time and be real to yourself. Btw,,, fix that intake leak, that front band aint sealing on the manifold, the O-rings couldn't take the heat, and check your base nuts hot, typical iron head, good job Sally!

I went from one coast of Canada to the other on a 1987 suzuki Intruder 1400, one summer about 5 years ago. tenting the whole time. And in all my travels I Only met two cool bikers, one old dude on an shovelhead, who was broke down on the side of the highway, and another dude that stopped to help me when I was out of gas on the side of the highway, he was on a wrought iron frame panhead that he built himself. He took me to a gas station and told me many stores of riding across the country, He even asked if he could take pictures of me and my bike. Most other bikers turned up their nose at me. It's not cool the world is about a status and the illusion of being wealthy these days. I Can't wait until I get my 72' ironhead on the road and and get some miles on it.

Your travels are great to observe and the bikes are not easy to own and travel on, the video 🇺🇸 of culture I love. Stay safe

Hardhead Sally.... There was a nice chopper all painted up with a blue frame, with yellow/ orange tinged roses and an Eagle hand painted on the very front of the tank, skyblue backround on the tank, a bunch of brass, including the air filter, with a knucklehead (brass 'Knuckles") engine in it. The owner is from the L.A, CA area. I saw that bike 8-12-23 at The Rock Store near Malibu, CA, and took some pics of it. You will find some cliquish biker groups from So CA, just the way it can be. You featured this bike in your last video when taking pics of all the custom bikes at the event. Hope this helps! BTW,, he rode the bike to The Rock Store that day, didn't trailer it. No idea how it got to Virginia City.

The bikers that you are looking for got old and don't ride anymore. The youngsters aren't wrench benders. Back in the day, public schools had auto shop and industrial arts classes and every guy wanted in them. We worked on our own stuff because it was more economically feasible to repair than to replace. Plus, a guy could do a great deal of the maintanance on his ride because it was simple to repair with basic tools. That is no longer the case. Guys now, because they don't have the skill or inclination, either hire it done or just buy a new one. Some of us are still wrenching and riding, but there aren't enough of us to have a big rally. Sturgis and Daytona are just clownshows now. As far as rudeness goes, we are now a post Christian nation. The churches are no longer the dominant influence on our culture. People learn their manners from Hollywood and Rap music. Politeness, courtesy, and civility aren't taught by those people.

I feel your pain. At 71 and still riding I have seen the evolution of what has happened. It’s all about building motors and who does what to there bikes!

Yall make me feel like a punk,I worry about my 2014 dyna quitting. Great video,real folks.

Sally greetings from So Oregon im 71 still very active riding 1990 softail evo motor #2 speeo od broke around 52,000 you are so right everything has changed clubbers now ride baggers full face helmets scooter tramps are aging out young riders cant hardly afford too, i cant stand baggers 900 lb pigs, i do see guys trailing baggers to rallys WTF motorcycles were built to be ridden keep the old iron alive!, i just found your channel and dig it! You got a sub. You wrench,ride and are a babe! Your old man ought be grinning all the time sis you two be safe out there God Bless

Its good to watch your riding videos especially when its cold outside.

Listening to you talk about riding and wrenching on your choppers is inspiring!

Another great video. Glad y’all made it home safe. Time to reseal the old girl.

Right on Sally!!!! So stoked to meet you both in person. Keep doing your thing and keeping it real!!! Hawgs gotta eat … so we ride!!!! Live to Ride, Ride to Live!!! 🦅🦅🦅🦅

It's in your blood. Going and going , something pulling you on the road Got a 1983 Sporter , it's down , needs crankand problary rods. Enjoy your show. Oh , I am 71 years.

I ride an "06 electraglide classis but if you pulled in next to me on an old scoot or Ironheahe. Yea man, w'ed be talking. I love the old Old bikes. Hell, I'd probably by you a drink. I miss the days when bike rallies were tent camping, if you had a tent. Those were the days. I'm 69 now and I hope to ride many more years.

Hi 👋, Great Trip, thank you for sharing, I have been watching wheels through time , that is amazing museum, if I could ever afford to go back to the states, I would definitely like to go there, Ride Safe, both keeping safe, Phil from the moulin

Wachaaaaa! I think we just got spanked by Ironhead Sally! Love your style and soul!!

Watched the whole thing 😊 I live 2 hrs from Daytona if you ever decide to ride this far you got a place to stay and maintain that old iron. Keep riding 😄

Wow, how true. Where have they gone. A lot of people just don't understand brotherhood any more.

…and Pizza. Biking and pizza. The life. Respect.

Great video. Some people just don't get it.😊

Man i wish i lived on your side of the country, awesome stuff and places!!!!

I agree with you a hundred percent-I remember “outlaw clubs” that were all choppers and bobbers; you know rage “outlaws” up in Denver these days-their events and runs look like a Harley dealer hog roast.

We also have fun on our side of the ball) On Friday, they arranged a friendly ride around the city, two guys blocked the road to cars so that they would not interfere with the passage of the column, a police general was driving in one of the cars, he did not like it))) There was a chase with sirens) (I hope you understand what I wanted to say, an automatic translator cannot follow my thoughts and accurately convey them.)

Nice to see you doing things in true old school style. Most of us old guys were never really mean, but we looked very scary and built all of our own machinery.We got kicked out of a lot of pubs for just being . We are a dying breed. Too many wanna be bikers are just pretending to be what we were. I feel your pain. From BC Canada.

Glad to see you guys and bikes made it home safe!!!

Hi Sally, my name is Jason. I have a 1975 xlch 1000, and I absolutely love her! But I do not know a lot of riders let alone riders who ride ironheads. I have watched a couple of your videos and enjoy the ironhead love. To be honest I was hoping to reach out and introduce myself in hopes of knowing more fellow ironhead lovers. And I hope to run into you one day, and shoot the shit about ironheads. Thank you for being ironhead Sally, and keep the rubber side down.

Yall seem cool af for real!!

Awesome! Idk how I’ve never seen your channel. Hopefully you all are on the XL Forum. The Ironhead section is busy but I’m on the rubbermount section. Cool channel I look forward to watching more! - Xena from the XLF ✌️

Be thankful the round up was last weekend. I drove down to Pahrump today to pick up a bike and it poured the whole way there and back. Glad you guys made it home safely

Looks like a fun time.

I'm digging your vids. But I have to admit I have won trophies for my chopper. But its different than most and I only painted it cause I worked at a paint shop at the time. But I ride the crap out of it and only wash it for bike shows and oil leaks. Im 36 and don't know anyone my age willing to ride these things but I'm trying to convince people choppers are life. Hopefully I see you guys at a rally one of these days you and your husband seem like great people to have a beer with

Here in Boise Idaho we just had a event and it was mostly old school chops it was great. You got my subscription

I get what you're saying. Owning a bike doesn't make a biker. That's why the market is flooded with shiny slightly used bikes. Keep on keepin' on!

You got it 1 word... "scene". Here is Australia it's mostly about image. You've either got to have the latest, fastest, most expensive bike or, if you have an old bike, it has to be a trendy kick start Pan. People don't do their own thing, they just follow the trends. It's all image and money.

People are just freaking Weird nowadays, I think it’s a complete culture shift in the United States… Keep your heads up. The older generation America is gonna miss, they were the backbone of the United States…some ppl actually think they’re to good to talk to others…. Ppl buy $30-$40k bikes and think they wanna ride and then have a 10 year old bike with 5k miles on it, everything looks good on paper. We are definitely living in different times

The world moved on Sally. It went woke. Things change..not always for the better. If you don’t work on your bike you don’t know your bike. If I lived in the US I’d ride with you guys. Like you said..life’s an adventure, enjoy the ride. Cheers

Great video! Thank you for sharing!

I hear you Sally, I'had to deal with this kind of Shemegg'in shemegg'heads.and there Clicks'....out there as I traveled around this country'..very isolating'...kept me by my ownself'..lots of trips..

Thanks for sharing, great videos, love your bikes. Your ol’ man is one lucky guy! I love my wife dearly, she’s awesome. But she hates my bikes. We’ve been together 20 years, and I can probably count the number of times she’s been on the back of my bikes on 1 hand. She just doesn’t get it. 😂

This is what it's about! Been loving the amount of content you've put out lately, keep it up, y'all rock.

Great stuff ,,!,

Try Willie’s Tropical Tattoo Chopper Show during Daytona Bike Week or during Daytona Biketoberfest. Lots of old school choppers!

Sally, your oil leak was quite small compared to when the pushrod tube seals blew on my 64 Triumph 500😂 You're right about the bike scene, it's the same in England. Take care, happy riding

Sally that was a very good observation and rant you are right.Very few people today are willing to forgo the journey just to say they were there.The world is full of wannabe`s and poser`s who really look the part .Until you find out their boat has never left the yacht club and only get`s used on the weekend as a floating bar.Personally i did a 4500 mi journey on a bike once it was tough but amazing as well.If l was to do it again i would definitely have rain gear and a full face.Take care.

Most of the current chopper scene are the "chopular" guys. I've witnessed this tons of times. If you aren't riding a show quality chopper, they don't care much to speak with you. There are some really cool, dirty chopper dudes that ride beat up sportster chops. But there aren't as many as there used to be. The old heads are hard to find. Great video! Keep em coming.

I was at camp 5 strugis this year and there was a lot of true blue collar bikers there form all over the country

Thanks Sally. Good you got home safely. Yes there has been a change in the biker community. Nobody waves to each other or recognise ea h other. I've pulled up to the bowser and a biker on the other side won't even look at me let alone converse. I think the biker culture we knew 40 to 50 years ago is dying. Anyhow great coverage of the trip. Stay safe. Cheers from down under 🇦🇺

Hi Sally from Barrow in Furness in Cumbria England. Great vids and love your attitude. Afraid the world has changed, everything is a photo opportunity to lots of people. They can see you are the 'Real Deal' and that intimidates them so just smile and wave and move on. We are having a memorial ride for a local biker made good (Dave Myers 'hairy bikers' fame) in June, hoping for 10k + bikes to take part. Proper biker with a proper attitude to life and we are going to remember him by partying. Just bought myself an imported Ironhead (west virginia title) that looks like a 'Riders' bike, looking forward to a good summers riding on the back country roads after a bit of fettling and getting the know 'Fatarse' (got a huge seat for a sporty ha ha ) cheers

I feel your pain Sally, I'm from the UK and its exactly the same over here, I ride a 79 Iron daily, what I have I piece together to keep the cogs turning, Love the old culture and still trying to live it. Thanks for the videos keeping the legend alive ✌

I really dig your channel Sally as it’s an inspiration to me cos my son and I just bought a couple of early to late seventies ironheads and are working on getting them running again 🤙🏻🤙🏻 We are working out of an 8x12 rickety ass shed so space is super limited lol I had a 76 iron head previously that I traded a mower for in non running condition and got it running but had to end up selling it because I needed the money 🤦🏻‍♂️ which was incredibly difficult to do as I’ve wanted a Harley since I was a kid. Anyway, as I said earlier I really dig your channel and I’m gonna stay subbed no matter what 😁

Most of what I call real bikers are old or dead, myself. I'm 62 and got hurt in the military. I can't ride long distances anymore, but I still ride. My friends still have their bikes, but they set in the garage, and they became couch potatoes, I have ridden across the country many times, and I also rode my Harley-Davidson across all of Europe I wish the good times would come back I can remember when I couldn't wait for the EASY RIDER MAGAZINE, IN THE WIND MAGAZINE to come at the beginning of the month

Hola. I'm a gentle type from over in San Jose California. Not a hell raiser but I like to ride places. Currently getting around on a Triumph Tiger, mostly. Those choppers look awesome but I'm just not patient enough to keep one running. If I ever see y'all at a truck stop I'll totally stop and say hi. Stay awesome :)

Right on sister. Not to mention they don't know how to ride a bike.....the enthusiasts that is.

Those days are over. The 60 and 70.’s bikers either got old, died or grew up.

Sally, most of us real bikers have died of , or disabled. The real ones I mean . I still have my ridged frame with apes 77 shovel paucho , open prime straight pipes, and a 19 sport glide and 17 tri glide . Still live the club life in one of the big 4 clubs . But we are few and far between. The internet is also to blame for our decline . There's no real bikers on you tube either , there just people who think they are and are really into geek squad shit. Except for yourself and your husband. I mean I hate to say it but real bikers years ago , would never shower , theyde live a life of oil and grease and dirt. You can still live the life yourself as you do , but finding people like you guys may be a long hard road. Anyway loved your video, take care.

🐒 silicon valley is home everywhere I ride. I try not to get hit by a car🍌 The coast of California, Yosemite, Zion, Moab... And highways in between, is where I'll be found. Riding solo, stopping to smoke joints and take photos... 🏁 Other than that I smoke my little 125 dirt bike in the hills of Hollister, California... Stopping to smoke joints and take photos, It's all supposedly illegal 😂 and No one wants to ride with me.. They get dizzy from no reason 🪄 I'm doing this in my 50s for no reason... And digging what you bring to the motorcycle scene for some reason 🍻

I just put some Lucas in my bike earlier today and it seemed to help but think I need to re-torque all my head bolts! I got a rattle and knock on my front cylinder from neglectful previous owner. But I'm working through it. That's the joys of old bikes..

Respect for youre enthusiasm Sally because it looks likes youre the only one who's having fun

Keep on keepin on.

The people we grew up seeing riding, are older, non riders now, because of health conditions.

Great job man, keepin those bikes tight n upright on that ride, my hat is off to the both of you, i see feel n hear your passion, im in canada, across the river from detroit michigan, the bike culture here is basically a fashion show, they really dont ride anywhere, they dress up, wash wax polish their touring bike to ride to bike night n hang out with the rest of the posers, i wouldnt lower myself to go to any of the bike nights in my area, anyway, helluva trip that was...... cheers man🍻

I like your style, Sally!

Well said..we truckers sometimes talk kinda the same thing, where did all the cool old school drivers go? Back when we made it fun and an adventure even though we were working. I could go on and on about my theory of what happened to the industry but I want to stay positive. It’s what we make it. I guess we should be thankful for the ones who are left and that we have the opportunity to spread the good word like you are doing. I’m really glad I found your channel here and hope to cross paths some day. Ride on! 👍✌️🤘

Money is the problem,it’s a different class of people 😂

awesome video! I'm planning on buying an iron head soon , my 1st motorcycle. but I can already see what you're talking about... always a generation of hipsters that try to substitute the culture for whatever. Guess that's where the times are heading. Anyways can't wait to hit the road! God bless

I think the bikers you're speaking of was a small segment of the bike culture. The "real" bikers? Some are in prison some got old and died, and some just quit riding.

It happens in all things in life. Nothing is permanent but the changes. I know some old bikers who built their own choppers years ago and love telling stories about them. Today those same guys have become more interested in restoring these old bikes back to their factory form. I think that is more of the trend now. One of the guys I'm talking about has his dad's old pan head in his garage. He gets it out every now and then and rides it just to keep it up. He loves to piddle with old bikes and is currently restoring a 72' shovel head. But when he wants to ride somewhere out of town he is on his bagger because he wants the comfort in his older years. He goes to Sturgis every four or five years. I told him I thought it would be cool if one year he would ride that old pan head. He said if ever did he would want to stretch the trip out because he wouldn't want to ride over 60 MPH. He never has done it. He is 70 years old now so he probably never will. If I were you I would spend time with those who enjoyed my company and to hell with those who don't. I'll be friends with someone who rides a Harley Davidson or rides Honda Trail 125 as long as they're riding and fun to be around. If you spend too much time looking for people just like you I think you'll be disappointed more than happy.

Great video fuckin cool I ride a hardtail sporty I love it my son and I built it love old-school

I have noticed how the motor cycles have changed also . years back if you wanted something for your bike you would have to make it yourself , now its where did you buy it , what website was it on . also the bikes themselves , they never had windshields , fairings let alone these huge stereos , heated seats and grips . people complain that its to cold or hot to ride or the wind is to much without a fairing . I really enjoyed your videos also and keep up the great work . stay safe and healthy !

When I started touring in 1978, I did it on a Yamaha 750. Back then everyone rode everything, and were accepted as bikers. I went to Sturgis, and of the 25,000 people in attendance, there were all kinds of bikes and marquees. Today, it’s 99% Harleys, and most of those ‘bikers’ trailer their bikes, and don’t even know how to ride, as evidence of all the ‘foot draggers’ at the rally. I’m 72, still trying to get out there, but between my wife’s health issues, and mine, and our two puppies, I don’t often get the chance at long trips. I’m quite frankly getting fed up with the Harley scene today, everyone is the same. I’ve always been a guy that likes to be different, so I’m thinking of trading my 12 FLHTK in for a Goldwing, and maybe an old EVO.

Hardly dangerous, Son

Hello Sally. Just ran across your channel. Be Safe.

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G'day Sally, I hear what you are saying, the biker scene changed when the evolution came on the scene all of a sudden there were lots of instant bikers just add water that previously rode Kawasuki and the like and used to rubbish HD. I'm old enough to remember the pre. Evo days and most of the rich pricks that could afford one didn't know the difference between a left hand and right hand screwdriver but owned flash new officially approved vest- boots and panties. All I can say is don't stress over it, just do what Wyatt said to the farmer "you do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud." Cheers Sally and still loving the channel and still watching from NZ.👍

61 myself , my only transportation is my 2003 Harley Davidson nightrain . I've had a triumph chopper , 1971 sporty & 1975 sporty . Once I learned I could sleep on my nightrain , my wife learned not to bitch so much ..lmfao Young lady , it's great to see you & the hubby enjoying the lifestyle...ps , loc tight saves a lot of "oops , lost another part" ...😂😂Snake S.F.F.S ohio

Also, about what you're talking about later in the video, I feel you. I feel too "artsy fartsy" to fit in with the old guys and MC guys, but not "hip enough" to be in with the Instagram chopper guys, even if I do weird artsy shit (film photography, etc), I still just never feel "cool enough" to be in their crowd. At the end of the day, I'm just a working class slob who loves old Harleys, and I pretty much just ride alone. Just my input! Anyways, cool how the internet lets us meet like minded folks! Ride on Sally!

dying breed...i had so many harley guys looking down on me on my old rigid harley chopper.... i couldnt find their plain ass bikes in a parking lot...they just buy it off the shelf and think they are a biker.. never turned a wrench and treat me like im some broke loser because mine isnt a 15000 bike

We're still here. F.T.W.

At least their HARLEY DAVIDSONS

the o rings for the rocker shafts are leaking and it looks like the seal for the intake manifold , front head has popped out of position , air leak. piston melt down if not fixed .

On my way back from Whitby the other day (Yorkshire England ) saw a small bike by the side of the road with bloke standing next to it . About 10 bikes went past him and didn't stop ??? When i got to him !, i stopped too check if he was ok ? He looked at me as if i was an alien and looked worried (im not that scary ....surely ). I said " hey brother , you ok ? what's up" " Him "tow truck is on its way , all good " then turned away from me as if i wasn't there " . Times have changed !

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If you find yourself ever in eastern GA you have a place to crash and chill. The chopper world is definitely "clicky" from what I have come to experience but there are the ones that are still are just laid back good 'ol boys. It's just few and far between. I had a guy I met at an event that was about to give me his extra set of points for my shovel at a campout because I was having electrical issues and another guy willing to drive an hour out of the campout to get me a new rectifier. They are out there! Keep on keeping' on you two!

Can't tell you what happened with others. I still built the bike recently but ride other type of motorcycles instead as my clock is ticking so I need to ride more, before I will drop dead. So I chose more reliable bikes. Also live is too short to ride just one kind of bikes ;) But I still talk to everyone, comment on bikes, like to meet people and enjoy talking about building bikes. I'm not in the US though so it is slightly different here... but same sort of shift in bikers culture is happening everywhere.

We're still here, just a little older and further in the shadows of this crazy world that makes little sense anymore. We have always been on the fringe of society. There has always been sub culture within the biker world. When the shovels came out we said no way. Real bikers ride knuckles and pans. AMF sent us into a frenzy. "Did you here Roger and Betty down the street got themselves a bowling ball". Little did we know AMF was the reason for the EVO. We coined the phrase "see no EVO", in my opinion the best motor Harley has made to date. 1970's technology taken to the next level but Harley had a big problem, bikers could work on them and they would last for ever with little work. They had to complicate the design over the next few models. The Discovery channel flooded the scene with OCC and biker build off B/S but that's a whole other rub story. Real bikers don't go to rallies anymore, I haven't been to Sturgis since 85. We go to party's and campouts. Rallies have become the scene to be seen and make content. There are a few young guns out there keeping it real, building choppers in their garage and it great to see. Check out the chopper crew in Japan. I highly recommend you guys go to the "Party at the pen". I have never seen so many survivor daily riders in one spot in decades, knuckles, pans and shovel's oh my. Luke does a great job putting it together and it is not a "bike show" or Rally its a party with 75% real bikers showing their daily riders they built including my 47' knuckle. I had goose bumps walking around meeting tons of real bikers, it was a breath of fresh air. Those guys that walked around you at the restaurant were intimidated, they know your the real deal and they are playing the part. We're are still here, compressed discs and tired eyes from decades on the road. Keep two wheels down and see you out there.

Gotta keep a wrench on the older motors

Now it is the time of the posers,but i have to say,my hardtail 1971 xlch is in the livingroom nowadays. My back does not like it anymore, electra and springer softail are still playing outside. But the guys that live for there motorcycles are a dying breed.

Will you two be going to the 2024 Four Corners rally this year? Of so me and my Son are going and would dig it of you guy want to hang for a chat,. Shot the shit, I'm an older biker so I loved the discussion on your wher the old bikers at. Any way ride safe ride strong.

The top motor mount is Mui Importante. I remember as a kid. A shop owner scolding me for that. Ha ha ha!

Good job to for putting down the miles on that old iron. You are a rare bird and I'm sorry but the price of being so rare is not having like minded company very often. You are living the chopper life and that is your life is a reflection of the chopper. It is minimal and purposeful. That is not popular in today's world ...

It's society in general that has become pardon the French...Pussified ! I'm a rider who's 1st Bike was a 51 panhead and because of age "65" I don't get to ride her as much as I would like. I did buy a Cruiser but my heart will always be old school.It's sad the last ride I did was from Ohio to Tennessee and back and had not 1 fellow rider willing to go. I went alone and enjoyed every mile.

I can't speak for no one but myself I just want a motorcycle that runs and starts.

Sounds like you all need to get out more a thousand miles isn't a lot just enjoy yourself and quit worrying lol.

I had a 1975 XLCH for 16 years. I wouldn't trade one tank of fuel in my Indian Chieftain for that old bike!

63 yr old biker hippie , yup things ain't the same I too miss the old biker life style 1980's in Socal San Diego that is the pelican pub and mostly The Trojan Horse The outdoors in the mnts huge three day parties bonfire with a band playing on generator multi kegger the whiskey flowed the best nug shrooms LSD and a race between teams with makeshift flags up a 300 ft hill just before dawn racing to be the first to the top before the Sun came up over distant hill that was when party slowly ended no merchants trying to get all your cash just us bikers and happy ladies