Hare Programming Language

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Tsoding Daily

3 ай бұрын

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- harelang.org/

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@neshkeev 3 ай бұрын

Tsoding writes in C, but doesn't regard performance highly. Tsoding is an immensely experienced Haskell programmer, but doesn't like complicated abstractions) This person is enigma

@moussaadem7933 3 ай бұрын

He loves simple languages like hare but he complains the standard libraries don't handle window management

@denoww9261 3 ай бұрын

I can't speak for him but I think he values C for its simplicity more than its performance.

@elgalas 3 ай бұрын

@@denoww9261 I think he did say that once, on a Rust stream, can't remember which one though, I think he was printing trees

@JaimePascual 3 ай бұрын

Do not mistake complicated by unnecessary abstractions. The only code that never fails is the one you never write.

@oserodal2702 Ай бұрын

IDK how to gauge this guy on what he actually thinks about modern programming languages. Like, for example, he's okay with Rust, but not Cargo and the Rust ecosystem at large, and would rather use rustc and Makefiles to build Rust. Maybe he's not heard of Go, but I'd imagine he probably dislikes the abstractions the language has, maybe even more so than in Rust or Haskell, or maybe programming in Go is just not as fun compared to C.

@user-qu7nq3uo3w 3 ай бұрын

tsoding is coding in hair so that he doesnt go bald again

@boogly3716 3 ай бұрын

spilt my capatea on tshirt

@Sahil-a-vim-user 3 ай бұрын

Wild

@glowiak3430 3 ай бұрын

He won't as long as he does not code in haskell

@sinamobasheri 3 ай бұрын

@cipher01 3 ай бұрын

Dayum bro

@mobod6822 3 ай бұрын

I'm gonna add watching this video to my CV for that google interview in 5 years

@varshneydevansh 3 ай бұрын

How to crack FAANG one step closer

@rupen42 3 ай бұрын

Honestly, "C with namespaces" is already a great selling point.

@Maagiicc 3 ай бұрын

So did "C with classes," and look where that's ended up

@portersky 3 ай бұрын

@@Maagiicc Have you seen GObject from glib? That shit be wild.

@delibellus 3 ай бұрын

@@Maagiicc that wasn't the only thing that made c++ so bad, and the rest aren't present in the development of hare

@oxey_ 3 ай бұрын

C with raii, generics and namespaces would be bussin

@dnkreative 3 ай бұрын

Namespaces are actually BAD

@logyross6883 3 ай бұрын

You should try Odin too. Its literally in your name!

@PRIMARYATIAS 3 ай бұрын

And it gives Raylib bindings directly with it, So no need to figure out how to link C stuff right away, Also it has Jai like syntax.

@sfulibarri 3 ай бұрын

Finding this channel has made programming fun for me again. The bit at ~56:00 is such a good example of persistence and learned intuition paying off. I spent all of my uni days and and early career believing that the source code of languages and production grade tools were the domain of strange people with beards and tall pointy hats who lived in the basements of places like MIT. My early instructors and mentors simply failed to indicate to me that if I wanted to know more about a thing I could read its source and even build one. Its very motivational and just a lot of fun to watch this person dive in to all these different things, learning a lot, pushing through frustration, and most importantly, have a great time. I am grateful that he chooses to share it with all of us.

@Heater-v1.0.0 3 ай бұрын

I totally sympathise. Work sucks. I can only tolerate it if it is a programming project that fascinates me and actually has some useful purpose in the world. My current solution to this problem is to work with a few friends on a start up company doing things we have a passion for. The money sucks but at least we are not shackled to drudgery. Life is short, the is no time to waste working on meaningless tasks to make money for someone else

@OneMilian 3 ай бұрын

Agree, i was fascinated with electronics my whole life and I always worked unrelated jobs, I always hated it. Having Aspergers makes it even harder to work jobs with no passion around people who dont hide the fact that they dont like me because im an exentric nerd

@spacewad8745 3 ай бұрын

More power to you 💪 But with sick parents to look after in a country with no public healthcare, i am willing to sell my soul if the pay is well

@Heater-v1.0.0 3 ай бұрын

@@spacewad8745 No, no, more power to you. I know what is to be in that kind of situation. Wishing you manage to find work that is satisfying and fulfilling as well as essential for you.

@Heater-v1.0.0 3 ай бұрын

@@OneMilian That is a shame. So many places I have worked where people had passion for what they were doing and eccentric nerds were almost a majority. A lot of fun. It does so depress me though to work with people who have no passion for what they are doing, don't care what it does or what it is for. Just doing the hours and taking the salary with no pride or joy.

@dawidkotlinski 3 ай бұрын

"make money for someone else" implies being a business owner is easy (after all, other people make money for you), but before that phrase you said money sucks when working in your own company, How so?

@joesenenfelder683 3 ай бұрын

CONGRATULATIONS ON 100,000 SUBSCRIBERS!!!!!! GOOD JOB! YOU ARE GOAT. BIG FACTS!!!!! Seriously appreciate your content.

@Ash-qp2yw 3 ай бұрын

Learning how a library works by grepping around and reading the source code is a really useful skill -- I started a new job about a month ago and I've been basically learning how to use their primary library through a combination of grepping around, using breakpoints to see whats happening, and reading docstrings, and primarily the former. It's so good!

@bearwolffish 2 ай бұрын

Once you can learn like this you are free to explore where you want.

@raiguard 3 ай бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed messing with hare, it's a shame that I can't use it for anything serious. It's such a fun little language! I wrote a small text editor using it.

@TsodingDaily 3 ай бұрын

A text editor sounds pretty serious to me.

@waltherstolzing9719 3 ай бұрын

@@TsodingDaily It's only for writing jokes. Syntax highlighting for punchlines; that sort of thing.

@grawlixes 3 ай бұрын

@@TsodingDaily not if it only supports comic sans

@-ciii- 3 ай бұрын

"the role of optimizing compilers in the majority of applications is kinda overrated" well said, loving it.

@glowiak3430 3 ай бұрын

I like its compiler being named Харек :)

@remondrk 3 ай бұрын

What does it mean? (On mobile so can't copy and translate)

@user-vt9gs6lk5i 3 ай бұрын

@@remondrkferret. With intentional misspelling. So rather something like ferrit.

@micoberss5579 3 ай бұрын

Хорёк 😂

@TheFailOrNot 3 ай бұрын

The hare devs really missed out on an opportunity with the file extension. I mean it could have been *.bun ...

@lievenpetersen 3 ай бұрын

I'm really glad you left your story about how you make money in the vod, it was really nice to hear that :)

@dmytro.sereda 3 ай бұрын

Tsoding, I'm voting for Odin lang! Try it please.

3 ай бұрын

I second this!

@adammontgomery7980 Ай бұрын

Hahaha, this is exactly what he was yelling about. The language doesn't matter; the same concepts apply across languages.

@matheuscapitani4701 3 ай бұрын

I would 100% buy the general programing course

@krzysztof_marciniak 3 ай бұрын

Especially if it's done in Tsoding way. Give it a try, please.

@iWillAvert 3 ай бұрын

19:30 I would absolutely watch that! That's along the lines of how I am trying to approach learning programming and it has been helpful. I have at least hit a point now where I can write relatively competently in multiple languages and can understand what's going on in many others. You're definitely right; once you begin to understand programming, you can learn any language. It's all just syntax and built-in features.

@vinicius_xor_eax_eax 3 ай бұрын

the selling point of this language for me was the support on Windows: NO support and no plans for it

@YahyaFalcon 3 ай бұрын

I guess that's a selling point if you're a free software purist

@androth1502 3 ай бұрын

it's a selling point if you want to use a programming language that will never be widely adopted.

@flatrute 3 ай бұрын

But it does not stop someone from forking/implementing the compiler for the language for Windows, yes?

@YahyaFalcon 3 ай бұрын

@@flatrute yes, Case in point: there is a third party port to MacOS, a proprietary operating system.

@maxrinehart4177 3 ай бұрын

Not really, that would mean it would never become mainstream and gain attraction. Windows used by a lot of people and corporations, supporting it would put this language ahead of tons other new programming languages.

@ryansanta 2 ай бұрын

I would 100% watch that course. I might even pay something reasonable, but I'm not rly one to pay unless it provides something better than reading docs, youtube, and creating problem/solution projects from scratch. Your content is already extremely helpful for the overall programming mindset. I'm finally able to see a language for the first time and understand what's going on, and your thought patterns over multiple languages/projects has been essential. Thank you!

@ivanjermakov 3 ай бұрын

TLDW: language is okay, error reporting is horrendous.

@alurma 3 ай бұрын

wat

@StevenMartinGuitar 3 ай бұрын

He liked the error reporting of '!' and '?'

@ivanjermakov 3 ай бұрын

@@StevenMartinGuitar I meant compiler errors, not semantics. ! and ? are very cool, I'm stealing this feature for my language!

@alurma 3 ай бұрын

@@ivanjermakov oh, yeah, that's true

@demolazer 29 күн бұрын

Interesting take on abstractions. My dad has been a dev/architect for 30 years, and as I'm learning he has explained the importance of understanding first principles. Even though he's never written a word of Python, I explained how I was going to use a threading abstraction in my app and simply based on how he understands threading he explained how it wouldn't work and ended up being right! So the prediction of those that can do this being more important in the future is very interesting.

@RoniellBerrios 3 ай бұрын

i was just looking if someone did a video on this and 1 day ago you made one wow! what timing

@dieSpinnt 3 ай бұрын

(During the first steps with QBE, meaning: compiling) "Can your LLVM do that? Your LLVM lies in shambles!", Tsoding 2024. I love you for that!:)

@byterbrodTV 3 ай бұрын

It's pleasure to watch another interesting topic and get motivated for doing something cool just for fun. While people like you exists in this world i have a hope that all is not lost for us. I wish one day i will be free from this big companies bullshit and would enjoy my portion of the recreational programming. Thank you, mista Zozin, as always ❤️

@daviarantes5325 3 ай бұрын

i swear to god if you made a course about programming in general, i could probably convince half of my entire university to watch it (please do it)

@ilovepeaceandplaying8917 3 ай бұрын

I love your content, I would watch If you create vods on general programming too.

@iambasantarai 3 ай бұрын

You should definitely go for the General programming course. I mean I m interested.

@dmytro.sereda 3 ай бұрын

We'll be watching your courses!

@FDominicus 3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for this video. I tried it just to know. The installation was flawless and as easy as I like it. It was blazingly fast and I like that very much.

@anon-fz2bo 2 ай бұрын

cool language, would not have heard about it if not for you, thank you mista azozin!

@delibellus 3 ай бұрын

Saying that it's useless because it will never be widely adopted is thinking of programming languages as cryptocurrencies. Tsoding was right.

@user-he4ef9br7z 3 ай бұрын

I'll try out Hare when Drew Devault stops shilling it every single day on 4chan.

@kalekale4323 3 ай бұрын

the first thing that came to my mind was did drew finally buy an AD got tsoding to do the shilling

@iglobrothers645 3 ай бұрын

I coudn't find any info about the general programming language. It would be awesome if you could make a course about programming in the general programming language

@ivanjermakov 3 ай бұрын

Until somebody creates a programming language called General

@alurma 3 ай бұрын

I hope this is a joke

@kikawet 3 ай бұрын

wait, but right a the end you rated the language with 8/10 👀 please prediction model-san 🙏 give a rate to more languages that can run raylib so that we can finally have a proper programming language tier list

@batlin 3 ай бұрын

18:00 yes! I always wondered about this. Started learning whatever programming languages I found interesting when I was a kid with a C64 and Atari ST, not thinking it was any kind of "career investment". The questions and tier lists of "what language to learn / ignore in 20XX" are really weird, like if musicians were posting videos like "DON'T learn piano in 2024... learn THIS instrument to stay relevant"

@mil_klover375 3 ай бұрын

Love you bro and kove your videos. Literally helping me going through hard days. Thnk

@deltapi8859 3 ай бұрын

You "financial management" is exactly my thinking. I feel like an alien in my country. That is how someone lives who authentically works to live and not live to work. Thx for making me feel a little bit less like an alien.

@adammontgomery7980 Ай бұрын

I would pay for a 'General Programming' course from you. I'm not a noob but, I suck at picking where to draw abstraction boundaries. I guess you'd call it architecture. I'm always amazed at how you take an idea, and get a prototype working so quickly.

@reddixskrull2451 3 ай бұрын

i think the reason why many people care about the language is because the abstractions made in languages. for example the abstractions made in the java ee environment are quite different from the abstractions made in c++. So if you litterally want to make money with programming you have to know the abstractions of an "trend" language and not just the idea behind programming. people need to eat, so they need to make money, they apply to a company, the company uses a specific language, the people need to learn the abstractions, the people learned a language.

@dailyperfectvideos3869 3 ай бұрын

Why do you use debian ? Arch and Void(lacks documentaion a bit) are also fairly good distros

@jma42 3 ай бұрын

20:40 totally agree, I just dont care anymore on whatever salary i get in the job as long as i get the basic needs.

@morganpigeron142 3 ай бұрын

hello Tsoding , (@40:35) you have also the language Odin ( C like ) that come out of the box with binding for popular lib like raylib. Wich is perfect for rapid prototyping and to rapidly setup on any computer (linux,windows , mac )

@XORfun 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Mr zozzing!

@GabrielSoares-mt5il 3 ай бұрын

I will fricking love if you make a "general course of programming". It sad to know that'll not happen. 😃😕

@CYDAmity 3 ай бұрын

How are you so naturally funny? :D

@TsodingDaily 3 ай бұрын

Existential crisis.

@kenneth_romero 3 ай бұрын

hey tsoding, out of the modern c like languages (zig, odin, nim, etc...) which one has been the best for you? you've coded a lot, but what has felt a lot more intuitive for you in sense of applying core programming concepts rather than syntax memorization?

@SeishukuS12 3 ай бұрын

Wow, this might be what I wish rust was... Very nice!

@markblacket8900 3 ай бұрын

be careful with nesting hares, you may end up with way more hares than intended

@anarcho.pacifist 3 ай бұрын

If you enjoy trying out new programming languages, I would like to suggest checking out the Sidef programming language. :) Disclaimer: I'm the author of the language.

@patto2k358 3 ай бұрын

Raylib speedrun is gold

@meanmole3212 3 ай бұрын

Heresy (harec) vs. HolyC Who would win?

@desertfish74 3 ай бұрын

Hair style guide

@0x7f2c 3 ай бұрын

finally, a video on hare!!!

@mikumikudice 3 ай бұрын

I KNOW, RIGHT???

@allyc0des972 3 ай бұрын

basically zig, at least hare has strong typing in the editor

@priyakdey7891 3 ай бұрын

I will totally watch the course on programming in general. I assume you will talk more about memory, process, constructs rather than features of programming language. But I do understand, spending months on a course and then getting 500 people like me buy it is not a great roi.

@delibellus 3 ай бұрын

woohooo awesome! i didn't expect this!

@naturallyinterested7569 3 ай бұрын

Next up: Tortoise scripting language

@claudiusraphael9423 3 ай бұрын

like literally LOGO, but to transcend along paths and nodes, fields and tables ...

@mattewlefty991 3 ай бұрын

It's difficult to think about programming without binding to a programming language, but maybe it's because I only knew C well and never got deep into other languages. Would thinking about data and operation on such data a good starting point?

@charliegnu 3 ай бұрын

So the issue you had at around 35:00 with the hare folder was that the executable is named after the parent folder, so creating a `hello` folder would have triggered the error.

@charliegnu 3 ай бұрын

If you have an `a.out` folder and run `cc main.c` it will say errno=21 (EISDIR).

@ntoslinux 3 ай бұрын

Tsoding, Please would you mind doing a video on your desktop/window manager setup? I really love your low profile and "all from emacs" text only workflow. Very impressive, it helps people like me who needs to constantly fight against the distributions endless irritating UI innovations.

@delibellus 2 ай бұрын

he didn't configure i3 as far as i know, so if he made a video about it, it would be like a tutorial on how to ise i3 as is.

@inferrna Ай бұрын

The Hare logo looks like БЕЗНОГNМ more than actual БЕЗНОГNМ (Russian meme containing a hare and something “legless”)

@inferrna Ай бұрын

Try Lobster. It has physics engine and OpenGL support in it's standard library.

@sossupummi 3 ай бұрын

🐰bunny language🐰 is my new favorite! 🐇🐇

@AndrasNadas 2 ай бұрын

Not 3 and a half discs, but on a SINGLE floppy which is 3 AND A HALF INCH LARGE!

@alurma 3 ай бұрын

Hare is kinda awesome

@b0ryakha 3 ай бұрын

how do you like the idea of doing something with procedural generation?

@user-ib1jo7dy3v 3 ай бұрын

I would eat your programming course for breakfast.

@Highwind_ 3 ай бұрын

Raylib on Harelang Any% World Record 1:06:04

@afoobar42 3 ай бұрын

I will watch all your courses or even buy them, please do some courses plz.

@YasserS19 3 ай бұрын

I hope you'll make course about programming in general.

@hornycrusader3856 3 ай бұрын

dyalog APL stream when? Kappa.

@SadShiry 3 ай бұрын

19:30 well, if you do I gonna FOR SURE watch and even buy that course from you!

@warko4 3 ай бұрын

Can you make a stream about vlang?

@killedinit 3 ай бұрын

Almost 100K!!!

@Nenad_bZmaj 3 ай бұрын

I shall watch such course.

@gadisasabri2056 3 ай бұрын

please make a video about programming in general!

@maxrinehart4177 3 ай бұрын

Please tsoding, that would be awesome. There is a lot to learn about programming that is not language specific.

@Sinthoras155 Ай бұрын

Rust without bullshit sounds like a really great concept

@jedediah-fanuel 3 ай бұрын

btw, what tools you use for zoom up screen like in 19:43 ?

@reinhold1616 3 ай бұрын

its his own tool he wrote in Nim called Boomer

@raina1565 3 ай бұрын

I would watch that programming course

@varshneydevansh 3 ай бұрын

I think he did talked about it that Don Knuth did it and no body reads his book

@maxrinehart4177 3 ай бұрын

@@varshneydevansh except that knuth books are dry and hard to approach and would better used as references instead of reading them cover to cover, unlike tsoding streams which is fun to watch, informative and has engaging style.

@heejadeetorn753 3 ай бұрын

Drew Default's language?

@thebatchicle3429 3 ай бұрын

Yes

@happygofishing 3 ай бұрын

Hyperland mogged

@lievenpetersen 3 ай бұрын

55:43 I agree with this sentiment

@TsodingDaily 3 ай бұрын

Average Recreational Programming Session.

@lievenpetersen 3 ай бұрын

tfw you prod nested hare ... wait what

@jorgegomezabrante8780 3 ай бұрын

Hi tsoding, great vid. Can you share your emacs config?

@glock-18 3 ай бұрын

ive only seen it on /g/ but it seems like asomewhat good language

@hubstrangers3450 3 ай бұрын

Thank you....

@wildwestrom 3 ай бұрын

Just like the Rust Vulkan episode, I would watch that. 19:48

@s33king81 3 ай бұрын

I love this guy..

@twenty-fifth420 3 ай бұрын

Not related, but I want to pet that Hare. ; )

@RandomGeometryDashStuff 3 ай бұрын

47:07 stdlib designed to run on server?

@taba1950 3 ай бұрын

It seem like the hare deveopler just wanted to compile typescript to machine code.

@olleicua Ай бұрын

as a xoogler i'm delighted to here that they are investing in simpler systems. also they just fired over half their workforce, you dont want to work there.

@errelin1326 3 ай бұрын

Given 10 cores with no memory limit, llvm and clang on my gentoo each takes about 40mins to compile ….😅

@errelin1326 3 ай бұрын

CPU is AMD5800H

@willyhorizont8672 2 ай бұрын

I really want to try this, but I don't know how to setup this on WSL :(

@kala-telo 3 ай бұрын

Discovered this language while looking info about QBE. Really enjoyed description of this language and tried to write CHIP-8 emulator in it. Lack of documentation and support is kinda sucks, I mean you can read it's source code but still. Would love to see video about QBE, I tried to investigate making new targets for it to port C compiler to custom CPU, but I couldn't understand how it works, maybe because I have no experience in writing optimizing compilers.

@glowiak3430 3 ай бұрын

Beef programming language please!

@chomik3873 3 ай бұрын

hare is you

@ssamdades2069 3 ай бұрын

Hare

@ade5324 3 ай бұрын

You really think people are not going to be interested in your "general programing" courses? Well i can speak for myself, that i would CONSUME that stuff, especially knowing that course is from zozin. Call me stupid, I'd pay for that, even if it would be mostly stuff i know If you're going to do it, do it for minority.

@mikumikudice 3 ай бұрын

LET'S FUCKING GOOII

@buffer0xaa555 3 ай бұрын

Tsoding is 100k subscriber 🎉.

@knalliebar 3 ай бұрын

Today I leared that siemens is looking for A windows 3.1 programmer because of the debugger for german ICE 1 and 2 trains. So its not really the languages but you can really lock people/ companies in with tooling IDE's and development environments. And than you make ze moniez