Sounds about right

I was thinking about exactly this as he said it. Fuck off BMW. Go back to your early 00s lineup. Please.

Mmmmmm

@@Petrospect How is choice a problem? Or wont your brain allow you to "regress" to a lower number?

Good! Bring them all to me please! =)

I think I'm going to start calling him that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

My dad had an affair with my auntie before running off to join a religious cult

My dad drives a 2003 XJ8, and describes it as "pretty pokey"......

sod it i'm swapping mine (string vest and roll up) for Harry (own farm and big garage)

My dad speaks clearly and I can understand what he says.

Yes, or thumbnails of him standing next to a car with his arms and legs splayed, grinning like a nitwit. His mature, calm delivery is an absolute tonic. My favourite car channel by a mile.

FACTS

@@marwood1969 you might like Savagegeese then too. Worth checking out.

@@hazardeur SG has some great pithy honest commentary as well.

Throttlehouse has entered the chat

And....

He's a long standing respected motoring journalist who has a day job & isn't dependent on 'long termers' loaned from manufacturers to actually be able to get about, or worried about being in-favour like most other youtube 'influencers'!. Definitely a class above.

They've never been light weight but this is lazy engineering. They've just thrown tyre and torque at it.

@@dagnut Where I live, It’s mostly a poser car. Sure it’s fast and sporty but there’s a very specific clientele “buying” (leasing) this car...

@@2mnyshp just different for younger generations, if you are in your early 30s now and earning well you probably came up on fast diesels with lots of gadgets, this is the ultimate expression of that. The price its self is reflective of the lease market, why would bmw bother with a manual and looking after weight when it will still be the car of choice. Harry makes a fair point about the m2 Cs but for me this m3 doesn't have enough to seperate it from an m340i

@@dagnut if it were me I'd be straight in a used F80 M3 instead, can't even see the benefits over a £20-30k car from last gen.

@@R03333 I'd have a quadrifoglio.. Same gear box, same power.. Better sound, lighter and better looking.

Very true it’s stupid

@@Stop..carry-on No it isn't people are getting bigger to put it kindly.

Take I look at a mk1 escort 1300.

Very true. As young children, my sister and I would travel round everywhere in the back of a three door Escort (mk3) and it was perfectly fine. Just enough space for all. People have become accustom to huge interior space now, so cars have grown.

@@Stop..carry-on cars are too small, have you ever been in Moscow? The Land Cruiser L200 is a regular hatchback over there😅

On point comment Paz!!

As a German from Munich, driving and loving an old BMW, I support everyone that buys the Giulia QV over this abomination. The pennycounters in HQ need to be shown that they'd better let the engineers decide on what cars they'd like to build, at least for the M-models.

to each their own but the giulia's front bonnet is hideous

The word is "ugly."

Ugly?

That snout works better on the M3/4 than the vanilla 4 series, it matches the rest of the car's styling rather than being a mad front end on an otherwise bland car. It elevates it from hideous abomination, to ugly but purposeful. The botched rear arches, presumably because they didn't want to make bespoke M3 rear door skins, in excusable.

@@williamr3840 Ugly. Beavers don't have teeth that big.

@@msalzberg4962 lol

Don’t make comments like this this till you drive that M3/M4

@@tonywong303 like you have?

@@tonywong303 I have, and I own a M2 CS. The new M3 is a boat, and if I wanted a big four door boat with power, a Hellcat Charger offers more for less.

@@tonywong303 doesn't matter how it drives, it's factually a heavy and large car from the numbers. Disguising it isn't the same as being light.

@@steve0680657 Yes... or why would I make that comment

If the mother is blind.

it looks a little bit Alfa to me

Just get over it, people DO actually like it (and no, not only the Chinese)... BMW 4 series sales have DOUBLED in Northern America with the introduction of the new 4, while peolple were saying that this is never going to sell, and there are lots of preorders on the M3/M4 too. Even the most hated BMW iX is breaking pre-order records for example in Norway, so apart from triggered purists, there are people in this world who either do not care or are open to change. And hey, even me as a classic car enthusiast, I am open to change too. I like it and I think it really suits an M3 perfectly. I like the old cars, but I am definitely not against new things.

@@tobias_k01 Nope, it’s still a dumpster fire.

Looks better in black, my main problem is that it’s not the same as the normal 3 series and the whole point of the M3 is that it’s a sleeper and looks mostly like a normal car

Pretty easy to do here....no ? 1) Helga's getting heavier and heavier 2) Helga needs a plastic surgeon 3) Helga needs a cosmetic dentist NEXT

You mean he actually reviews it rather than just giving a specs rundown?

@@TheShinyShow Savagegeese is the only real reviewer

Refreshing that he points out negatives instead of glossing over them like a lot of reviewers do to keep the press arm of said manufacturer happy.

@@stu4181 Only negative is that grill.

Yep! 4cyl hybrid and weighs over 4400lbs (2200+kg). I thought this was disappointing but im definitely warming up to it.

A 4 cylinder hybrid? The C63? Yukkk!!!

That's why we are extra furious with those bavarian fools. We are in the last days of the straight six performance BMW's. It should have been SPECTACULAR in every way and they've completely ruined it

@@bttawfiq the Lexus RCF is the real deal

Aye, the one and only positive in this ugly mess.

With the M3 being a practical four door saloon I don’t think the 911 is really a suitable alternative for most.. However why anyone would buy say an M4 over a 911 is beyond me

Get a used 997.2 GTS and you'd be better off.

Now watch them ditch the electrics and trim and offer Lightweight models for more money.

Carbon parts isnt to save weight, they are there because people think they look cool. They probably add weight, all told. Its heavy beacuse its a big car.

Yes, almost everyone should take a look at what Mazda is doing.

It’s because people tend to keep buying the same model of car year after year rather than move up, so the manufacturers effectively move them up and then introduce another smaller/cheaper model at the bottom of the range.

Yeah I hate how cars are getting bigger and heavier. Taking up more real estate and more resources. It seems counter intuitive (stupid?) when trying to keep CO² emissions down and the planet groans as it registers another birth.

it's horrible

But credit too them for creating the M2 sub sized car to fill where the M3 used to be.

2023 M2

Bangle’s cars were only slightly less hideous so that would not be much of an improvement. They should just bring in any car designer from any car company, or even some random person walking on the street as long their name is not Bangle or Dukec.

The big UK reg plate does its best to cover those bloated kidneys, it’ll look worse in other countries with the plate to the side.

It’s hideous , who signed it off They must be blind

@@Carrera-gp9od these kind of BMWs are for those who park them on two spots in the parking lots... or on the spots designated for the persons with handicap, their "excuse" being that they don't want other people in lesser cars touching theirs; if this is their level....and BMW knows this very well, do you think a big grill will be detrimental in the eyes of those clients?, I bet it will not..in fact, I bet they will consider it as statement...a projection of their "value", "awesomeness", "insert whatever other superficial characteristic". Even if I would have all the money in the world, I would never buy a BMW. It puzzles me how they managed to attract the posers and the ass.holes even more than Audi does or did until a couple of years ago. In fact, now, Audi are the engineer's/architect's/doctor's/lawyer's/basically educated ppl's car, while BMWs have become the car of choice for those who work in sales or brokerage..not real education, not real quality character, just suit and tie hustlers.

@@eugenux I Own a m140i 😂

It's the M139 from the 45 amgs, it's an absolutely incredible engine, it will be a great fit for that car. And there will still be a V8 C-class, it's just called a C73 AMG.

@@gambiting 4 pots are great engines. Theyve just got no business being in a C63. Havent seen anything about a C73 though, only that the bigger S Class and GT 4 door Coupe will keep the V8 but with hybrid tech 🤷🏾‍♂️

Dude...don't be a BMW APOLOGIST SHEEP !! THIS THING IS FREAKING HIDEOUS !!!

@@jamesterakazis6624 😂😂😂

You don't have to "justify the looks", my money says that you're not buying one!

It’s grown on me

Every time I see one, I keep looking trying to figure it out. What I'm missing. Why the designers have done what they've done. Still nothing.

the M3 Comp with the AWD is basically a lowered X3 sedan i think BMW is realizing that most people who put money down for shit like this will end up with an X3/4 M anyways

Ever heard of the eclipse cross?

I'm not keen on the colour either ;)

buy an 166. You'll have to be blind

@@saidalas7763 The 166 looks gorgeous though?

It’s called arrogance. BMW does not care about their base, appealing to the masses is all that matters 💰💰💰

@@chop3625 To the masses? You think masses of people can purchase an M3? The majority don't approve of the change further confusing me when it comes to your "appeal to the masses" comment. I'm not sure it means what you think it means. They are appealing to (in their minds) the people that can actually afford the car, they don't car what the masses think as most people cannot afford the vehicle and therefore their opinion doesn't actually matter to BMW.

Why? What's your concern about his subscriptions?

"We" can't, because I'm guessing you're already subscribed. So I presume you mean can YOU add half a million subs? Don't hold your breath.

Excellent news, thanks. Did you go M3 or M4?

People will drive past you looking disgusted.

@@harrysgarage m3 he choose

@@mcspikesky it doesn't look that ugly i think

@@harrysgarage M3 buddy, always preferred the 4 door, more practical and slightly cheaper 👌

Lol, interesting comparison. I certainly get what you're saying though.

It helps to have a great designer. In my mind, the three best designers of the last 10 -15 years are Ian Callum at Jaguar, Ed Welburn at GM, and Gerry McGovern at Land Rover. Sadly, Callum and Welburn have retired.

@@msalzberg4962 Could not agree more! There's been a real lack of beautiful cars on our roads in the past 10-15 years.

@@thescotsmantechnologyrevie2138 The Jag surely can't be called beautiful? It's a fantastic car and I'd love to own one (in my dreams will have to do), but it looks like a chavved up XE Diesel motorway hack. The shape was dull to start with, the P8 in this colour with the gold wheels and aero addenda looks awful. At least the tacky Jaguar decals aren't present, though. The M3 is a far more imposing and modern-looking thing, to these eyes at least.

It’s absolutely fucking hideous

And you will have to pay more for it hahaha

European Number plate helps tremendously. Makes it’s for properly hideous to terrible. But in no-front-plate states.... 🤮🤮🤮

Yer beat me to it. Must have been 80 or more when he said yeah it’s a quick car. With a silly grin.

That's when the clutch started slipping

@@SuperEarplugs Torque Converter Auto 🤪🤪🤪

The sound of the engine is pumped through the speakers which in this instance had a glitch - the engine was idle at the time.

@@DoctorDARKSIDE Gotta admire computer glitches. Yes offiser I was completely stationary. The speakers were making a right racket

" _Harry is the first person I’ve seen who gives a no nonsense, well supported opinion about the lack of practicality with these seats_ ". Ironically, he _doesn't_ say that they lack practicality!

@@nickturner2813 ...he mentioned that while comfortable, that the seat is cumbersome to get into, not to mention that it’s electric, which takes away from its practically for lighter weight and a more “sport” ethos. I stand behind what I posted.

For sure there will be a CSL version in a year or 2.

M7 doesn't exist lol what are u talkin about?

🤷🏻‍♂️ I think it looks brilliant :) Each to their own, though :)

Weight? So? Did you see how it goes on track and roades? Well it's brilliant.

Ugly car , Nasty grill ruins it

@@rs4rs669 Ok Audi fanboy. Sure, grill is bad, but the rest of the car is perfect so piss of with that BS.

Steve M keep your bugs bunny clown car , ill keep my c7 rs6 monster lol , prik

Thank you Jacki

Panerai on the left and Apple on the right. Apple cos Harry's "down with the youffs", Mechanical/Automatic on the left because there's beauty in self contained watches (except modern Rolexs which mark you out as a Brand Submissive)

I noticed that too

My late father wore two watches when his dementia progressed.

2 Watches for each M setting

I got a boss with Apple 🍎 on each wrist 🤦‍♂️ I wear nothing on both. 👍

Different cars.

I beg to disagree I've driven both and thr m3 is a different animal. 340i defo more affordable yes but when you push it its not a patch on the m3

@Usman-zp6ig the 340i is a quick car. The M3 when you drive it, especially in the Sports plus mode is not even comparable

Probably draw the M4 and then went "oh shit, the M3 needs rear doors, let's just slap the non-M doors on".

Cost cutting so they don't have to produce a different door from standard sedan. It's on the previous M3 too.

@@mattyb1624 you dont want to pay 80k for a car with cost cutting

@@tullebanditt no you don't. I am/was a big BMW enthusiast still owning a few, but if they continue in this direction, I'll be moving away from the brand. (Keep the old ones)

👍 Actually, me always hating the previous M's being all hideous, lizard-like and outdated: this is actually a very bad thing. I now really want an M-car. And that spells massive trouble for my Bank. So, maybe it _is_ a very baaad car lol!

*cries in Norwegian * (base price M3 comp: 100,279 GBP/138,691 USD)

Try buying one in Ireland... $143K that's £103K. The Irish government hates the Irish motorist.

I bet it's at least 85k Euros in Italy ...for the non Competition

@@noelodwyer And we're part of the EU , free moment of goods and all that !! ( said this, a number of years ago , to a customs officer , just before a Garda advised me to remove myself form my Celica GT4A , or face arrest !! ) .

@@bloke755 infuriating!

At least they can spell correctly.

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At least with the Type R you get the impression its meant to be silly, this just looks so over designed that one day you could wake up and find two bmw designer fighting over it as they restyle it on your drive.

Absolutely ridiculous, in the flesh it looks very good not like a toy car

HIDEOUS FROM EVERY ANGLE...they tried to create something bold like the Giulia Quadrifoglio except THEY'RE NOT ITALIAN AND FAILED MISERABLY !!!!

Oh yeah, E46 is the best M3 in my opinion! Keep it and never sell it!

Sorry but the S58 engine is far more superior and better driving. E46 is not an bad M car but S58 engine is the best engine in years we have gotten before everything turns into electric engineering

This monstrosity will chew up your E46 M3 but I get it- people don't like change.

SMG gearbox noob

@@ifeanyiikemefuna3706 as If outright performance is the only metric that relates to the enjoyment of a vehicle. The mx5 is pretty much the posterchild for fun and its stats don't exactly set the world on fire

I used to have one of those. Get the E39, much better car.

I owned a ‘92 535i manual transmission in a deep blue colour with cream coloured leather interior. Still one of my favourite BMW’s from a looks perspective. Lots of problems with little things like fog lights that cracked every time they got wet when they were turned on. Didn’t matter if it was in the rain or just going through a car wash, they would crack EVERY time. Had BMW replace them many, many times for free because they came with a one year warranty. I told the service manager that they were obviously engineered wrong! But he would not admit it. Also the little lights in the window switches seemed to burn out on a regular basis. I must have replaced at least half of them while I owned the car. On the good side it was a beautiful car to my eye and it was such a pleasure to drive. It managed to handle like a sports car and ride like a luxury car without any electronic trickery, just excellent chassis engineering. My next car was a Mercedes C36 AMG which was much faster and far more reliable than the BMW, but rode like a dump truck with an empty load. The only thing that saved it from rattling itself to pieces was replacing the AMG shocks with C class Sport shocks. The ride was still firmer than the BMW but light years better than it was with the AMG shocks. I always thought that if BMW and Mercedes built a car together, combining the best of each brand, it could be close to perfect. That notion came to an end when Mercedes gave over the reigns of the company to the Marketing department and the bean counters and quality went out the window.

@@barryboyd7973 Lexus is the only brand who cares about the consumer

I am off the opinion that the Alfa Romeo Giulia is an elegant car.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Id say it’s the first ever double prolapse

Not to mention that stupid farting sound it makes on upshifts !

@@arvidjohansson3120 Aye, beautiful sedan right there.

Lol no

I agree, Victor. Not a highlight of the car's styling....

Agreed hideous. Last decent 3 series was the e90

Spot on. Tasteless generation that know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

And that's no easy feat.

Never happened with any manufacturer in the 26 years I've being doing car reviews

@@harrysgarage thank you for replying Harry - much appreciated.

Yes, but people keeps wanting more and more, and nobody knows how much is enough until they know how much is too much.

Yep. First thing I thought when I saw that front-end, was that GM brought Pontiac back.