Can't do anything about the incorrect timestamps for now, we've put them in correctly so KZfaq has stuffed up somehow

Important to note too that DLSS has a memory leak in Hitman 3. When enabled after a while the game will crash no matter the quality setting for DLSS. Hitman 3 does not do this for FSR or XeSS.

It seems like DLSS 3 frame generation is a kind of "win more" type of deal. If you're already running the game at the level you want it to, it can just increase the framerate and smoothness, but if the game isnt running at where you want it, it cant really fix your issues without making significant compromises elsewhere. Thank yiu for the very well made and easy to understand video! I understood on a basic level that DLSS used AI to make fake frames to increase framerates, but i didnt know at all what that meant in actual game implementation. Now i know where amd how to use it :D

NVIDIA really should make an official way to update old DLSS versions.

One problem with dlss3 I have is dimming the lights. You can notice the same on the brake light of the car in Cyberpunk. It dims every light source, especially on HDR. Everything else is acceptable for me, even the little flickering wich is not that important during gameplay since you don't keep looking at the pointers during gameplay.

I think the chapters are for a different video

Always great info, love these kinds of deep dives into new and updated technology. I'd love to see an edited gameplay video with JUST the "fake" frames - I bet it would look very strange...is there a way to easily remove every other frame?

In the F1 footage, did anyone notice how the shadows on the right were struggling to resolve due to the generated frame, making it "flicker"? Weird stuff

Been using it every game I can and haven't seen any issues in standard game play. The only time I've seen weird artifacts was playing Hogwarts using super-resolution w/ Frame Generation, and no DLSS. Once the frame rate got below 60 FPS, you would start to see some pops, but as long as the framerate is higher via DLSS, it's unnoticeable. The nice thing about the technologies working together is that you're never anywhere near 60 fps (except in Hogsmead, that place could use a heavy dose of optimization). Tim's comments about how you probably wouldn't even notice these things is very true, because I surely haven't noticed. Unless you habitually stare at UI elements instead of what's going on in the game, or just love Spiderman's legs (I'm not here to judge) you'll probably never notice it. Also, who is playing F1 with the driver's names enabled? Talk about killing immersion.

I remember when DLSS 2 was new, there were a lot of issues in specific games that used older versions of the tech. The user could manually replace the dll file with a newer version and get improved DLSS before the devs released an update. Maybe the same can be done with DLSS 3. DLSS Swapper is what I used to use.

Excellent analysis, would love to see some kind of crossover video with Tim and Alex from DF as both often overlap quite a lot but from very different directions.

DLSS Swapper is essential is you're going to use frame gen. Easy enough to swap out for the improved DLL's. That being said, this should be something Nvidia takes care of on the driver side. So many games get stuck with the version of DLSS they launched with, instead of being updated over time to take advantage of improvements.

Thank you so much for this revisit Tim, you don't know how much these unbiased in-depth reviews are appreciated by us the viewers! Blessings!

For anyone reading this who enjoys MSFS. NVidias DLSS3/Frame generation does wonders for this title! crisp and clear gameplay for me, Yeah I know there are fake frames HOWEVER I don't notice any on my 4K monitor. I obsoletely think this DLSS3 is awesome

I would wager dlss 3 "magically" becomes available in some capacity for 20 and 30 series once fsr 3 does the same thing but open source.

Great video. You guys should consider doing a latency test similar to what Rtings does for testing mouse latency. That might be a great way to test DLSS 3's added latency.

i think chapters are from the montly gpu pricing update, not from this video

thanks for the revisit. gives a bit of clarity regarding where the tech is right now and if nvidia are actually doing some improvements.

As a software developer, I have to guess that one important reason not to update to DLSS3 1.0.7 a mere few weeks before release is that it likely would mean a full restart on many QA activities. Basically all game visuals would need some basic level of QA retesting, which could delay launch.

Thanks! Would love to see NFS Unbound analyzed. This game is very fast motion with constant waypoints, but is also easy to run at 72-90 FPS on a 5950X+6650XT, so visual artifacts may be minor overall because of the high base framerate.

I'm not a fan really of DLSS 3. But if you got to slow film down 75% and look at this one wire in the sun on lvl 17 is this really a problem?

I haven't tried it myself but think budget gamers would be happy if their game looked smoother even with those artifacts and reduced latency up to a point. Tim is really picky, which is a good thing because this tech needs to improve, but if your budget is tight, you take what you can get and your expectations are way lower. I played Skyrim with 20fps back in the day and had the time of my life. That said, who knows when those budget GPUs arrive.

Just starting the video and curious to see if Darktide gets a nod or not. So far it's easily been the best feeling implementation of dlss3 I've tried and has pretty much sold me on how decent the tech can be.

This is a GREAT follow up video. Really appreciate it!

What I don't understand is why DLSS3 generated frames aren't handled the same as with upscaling in DLSS2 aka rendered completely seperate from the 3d scene. To me it doesn't seem impossible to render them on top. Perhaps they would be updated at the same framerate as the rest of the game but with UI I don't see where the issue with that would be

Don't you just love it when games render ui and the world yo the same framebuffer and then pass that to dlss, rather than rendering the world on its own passing that to dlss and then rendering the ui on top

Awesome analysis as always, thank you!

18:24 - this is incorrect. V-sync has been working with frame generation since driver 526.98 from November 16, 2022. They key thing to do is to use V-sync forced through NVCP, NOT the in-game implementation. If you use V-sync via the drivers and the game supports reflex, it will also automatically cap the framerate slightly below the maximum refresh rate to evade the massive input lag from V-sync when the refresh rate is maxed out (i.e. 120 FPS on a 120 Hz display). But a framerate cap in the driver is still recommended for games which don't support Reflex. So, the correct settings would be to configure a global profile with: G-sync ON + V-sync ON + framerate cap slightly below max refresh rate, also don't forget to force 16xAF as even AAA games are often terrible in their AF implementation and image quality can suffer significantly when AF is not forced on the driver level.

Another follow-up where you manually update the game's DLSS dll file would be helpful here. Are some of the issues only fixed with newer dll versions perhaps? Or maybe it makes no difference at all. Either way, it would be useful to know.

Great work. Cannot wait for this tech to 'get there' . Though in all honesty it should have been implemented for gtx and 20/30 series rtx cards because those are the cards that need help with frame rates, especially 2k monitors and up.

I've been using it in hitman 3 and can't say I noticed the issues at all. It just improved smoothness (and helped resolve bugs related to too high real fps without sacrificing smoothness). Tried the same in Portal with RTX and it was completely unplayable. It definitely varies a lot from game to game. I was sceptical of the tech originally, but now that I've had a taste of it personally, I like it a lot when it works well enough to use it.

Hey, it's the host of Monitors Unboxed! Always hyped for some collabs - Wouldn't mind seeing him more often on this channel, he's doing a great job! 🙃

That was a brilliant analysis. So detailed and informative. More of these please. Really enjoyed it.

Question about DLSS3 - if you take a screenshot, is it a 50/50 chance of getting an interlaced frame or will it capture the next "real" frame?

I wish you looked at 40K Darktide. Especially considering how often you are whipping the camera around in that game.

My biggest issue is that going into a menu such as inventory or opening the map then back out into the game, one of 3 times the game would forget that it is meant to use DLSS3 and frames tank until I go back into another menu and out again.

I'm turning DLSS3 frame gen always on, from 30fps to 60fps. It was great so far, yeah there are some glitches with UI elements but with motion fluidity it provides, it's easy to ignore it. I can set all RT settings to the max, while 4070Ti runs cool and quiet. Input lag is not a issue either. Great tech which will only improve over time.

UI elements being garbled seem kind of unsolvable with the way DLSS works to my understanding without a complete overhaul to how DLSS works or the game engine (and I'm not sure how to do that practically). I don't really think we can fault the gamedevs for those artifacts except in providing a DLSS option in the first place which they probably shouldn't with this type of content. The problem is that those UI elements often don't write to the G-Buffer and are rendered even when they're partially occluded so there's no information there like the depth of the text being drawn for supersampling to interpolate properly. There's a similar issue for objects behind transparent objects. G-Buffers are always single-layer, so to speak. The depth buffer only stores the depth of the frontmost geometry being rendered. even for state-of-the-art engines like UE 5 that support transparency. And multi-layer G-Buffers are too costly to even conceive typically (most production engines use 384+ bits per pixel). But without a multi-layer G-Buffer and also multi-layer frame buffer, a super sampler can't interpolate things across time and space correctly for occluded objects that are still rendered behind or partially behind others, as in the case of UI/HUD elements and things behind transparent surfaces. I think the only solution for games that want to lean heavily on DLSS is to avoid showing things like text and limit transparency as much as possible, favoring more HUD-less designs and far fewer/smaller transparent/translucent surfaces. There's no way I can see uniformly to really correct this problem short of storing multi-layered, multi-depth G-Buffers. DLSS always seemed a bit to me like a dead end. Dead ends and workarounds to existing problems can help for a while and I'm not saying it's obsolete by any stretch, but spatiotemporal SS can't solve these types of issues, so I think for a while we can put in the workarounds and design games with content that works well with DLSS, but it's a type of hardware feature that we need to outgrow as we find software techniques or hardware improvements that make it no longer necessary. It's a band-aid feature to treat symptoms, so to speak, not the root problem which is that we lack the software techniques and hardware to render fast enough at full screen resolution for high-res displays; the future definitely shouldn't require DLSS. As an aside, I've been trying to look at the DLSS SDK for solutions to these types of problems and maybe it's possible to render things like text as a post-process if DLSS can provide an intermediate/interpolated G-Buffer or projection/view matrix (ideally interpolated G-Buffer since we need the temporally interpolated depth information). I am admittedly a novice to DLSS API but I can't seem to find a way to do that still. Even if it could do that, this still provides a huge problem for 3D objects behind other transparent/translucent 3D objects. And there's still a need to completely change some pipelines to even do this properly. DLSS is far from a solution that "just works".

The outro music slaps. Great video. I have tried it on FS on my 4090 a few times and agree it hasn’t improved enough to use it. Mainly my frame rate is an issue on the ground with heavy traffic around me. Even the 5800X3D can’t keep fps at 60. Hoping the 7800X3D or the 7950X3D can, still waiting for benchmarks though (havent looked hard yet)

Completed the whole Witcher 3 with dlss 3.0 and never saw any visual issues while having 120+ fps most of the time

Cyberpunk 2077 is the best working game. How things have changed!

Great video! ;)

Is this the best way to get more performance? I wonder if foveated rendering would be possible with PC monitors. It seems to work a treat on the PSVR 2.0. Granted the FOV is a lot bigger with that so your peripheral area on a monitor is going to be a lot smaller but it would surely be far better to have lower quality rendering in areas out of your focus. Of course it would also require eye tracking hardware and software which I guess is a bigger stumbling block.

Important note here. Most UI Elements are using custom shaders that can be (at least in most Engine I have worked with) excluded from anything like DLSS or FSR. I would say that most of the poor UI rendering is based on Developer's incompetence rather than Nvidia's lack of quality.

I find DLSS3 Frame Generation absolutely fine if you put Vsync on in the NCP in Hogwarts and CyberPunk. Both run incredibly smooth with everything maxed at 120Fps

They need to add Vsync cap capability for VRR. Also, it still has slight shimmering effect on many small moving things like grass. At least what it looks like in Hogwarts turning DLSS 3. But otherwise it looks clean and useful. But that Vsync cap is really needed, if they can implement that it would be pretty darn good to use in SP games, at least when you want more smoother images.

Great analysis as always :)

You can use GPU-Z to get DLSS versions for installed games. You can also update the DLL. It would have been nice to see that attempted even if just out of curiosity.

Great analysis Tim! Cool to see this tech in more titles, can see a future where these initial growing pains are addressed and it becomes a “just turn it on” tech. Thanks!

Impressive tech and thank you for your In depth testing, I will be testing DLSS 3 myself later this year when 1440P OLED monitors will hopefully get good sale prices. 240fps with HDR on my i7-13700K +RTX4090 system in Cyberpunk 2077, second time from start to finish with a different play style.

From my own personal experiance I'm playing Warhammer 40K Darktide in 4K max settings + FG on a 4090 and it's looks and works surprising well. Pushing the avg fps from 80 to 120+ without any major visual bugs.

DLSS 3 is literal magic same as DLSS 2 was 2 years ago. In Witcher 3 I'm not seeing any artifacts or noticing any lag while I'm running it at 90-100 at 4k almost ultra+, with RT GI and AO on. It's still not enough to remove CPU bottleneck in Novigrad so it drops to 60-70 over there.

DLSS 3 is so bad and noticeable that you have to use slow motion and zoom to demonstrate it and even so it's hard to see. Fail, HU.

i have a i5 8400 and a 2070 do i need to replace the cpu to go 40-series? i want hdmi 2.1, better rasta and sota dlss / rt thinking 4070

Any fixes for those UIs in games mentioned now 4 months later?

UI elements are going to always be an issue. I'm guessing the developer/engine has to designate them as special to skip DLSS3 and every developer/engine does UI elements different so this is going to be a constant fight. Watching the videos at full speed it's hard to notice I wonder how it would bother me in motion.

I just hope this tech doesn't become another crutch for devs to throw optimization under the bus.

While talking about the camera angle changes in F122, I'm wondering wtf is going on with the shadows on the right hand side of the car at 6:14. Is that the frame generation having no idea how to handle the stripped segment of the side of the track... and then getting stuck for a few seconds more after leaving it? Or is that a weird dlss2 artifact?

17:27 “more work needs to be done here to get games to the level of Cyberpunk 2077” never has this been said

I think these problems with dlss 3 are very personal, some people are really bothered by them, and some like me, I honestly can't notice the artifacts, I played all these games with dlss 3 and for me it was a very good experience, the extra fps is very much worth any downside it brings IF you can notice them because I honestly can't when the game is running at 100+ fps, even the latency, I think Nvidia Reflex does a very good job and you can force Vsync on the Nvidia control panel to have it working on the game flawlessly and the camera turning is super smooth.

This tech is a revolution waiting to happen. Once this goes into mainstream cards / consoles, we’ll see a generational leap overnight.

Can you do one video with FSR now? Thanks!

The MSI MPG x670E Carbon is one of the best boards .. looks amazing in my Y60 build!!

I still don't really know who this technology is for. It requires a decently high base framerate to work, and then only really works well in slower paced games where the resulting higher framerate is superfluous. It's a solution looking for problem, in my opinion.

Im getting some strange time stamps in this video. Seems its from a GPU price review video.

Jensen appreciates your editorial direction.

What about the price and raw performance? I am, personally, confused and don't know either to buy a 4060 or 3070?

I ran frame generation in Plague Tale Requiem the entire game, to be fair I have a 4090, but I was also playing at 6K-7K, can’t remember specifically, but the experience was fantastic, I loved that feature, never noticed any weirdness

That's... sound kinda cache22 though. You want high frame rate because it makes fast motions smoother, lower latency, and reduce artefact like juddering and ghosting. If DLSS 3.0 give you more frame but only work with slow motion, does not improve lately, and even increase artefacts, what's the point of having higher frame rate?

how does frame cap work with frame generation? If I set frame cap to 140 on 144 Hz monitor, do I get a max of 70 real frames? If so, do I need a 240 Hz monitor to make use of real frames between 70 and 144Hz?

We need the stache back, that thumb would’ve some Luigi vibes with you rockin your stache again

I've played through Cyberpunk with DLSS 3 enabled and it's honestly an improvement, especially for the crowded markets on Jig-Jig Street and the like. However there was an instance where I had to turn frame generation off completely because it absolutely destroyed fps. I'm talking about 6-10 fps. It's in the Main Story mission called Transmission when you go into cyberspace. For some reason DLSS 3 absolutely hates the vertex graphics. I think you can see this in the combat tutorial at the beginning of the game (after the prologue) since that also takes place in cyberspace.

Does capping fps via RTSS works when DLSS 3.0 is in play?

@Hardware Unboxed : Other than "Final thoughts" the text for the chapters is wrong.

DLSS 3 is already GODLIKE quality and will only get better in time. Meanwhile AMD's FSR 3 is dead in the water because it's imposible to design a platform-agnostic frame generation technology. Nvidia proving yet again they are blazing the way forward and AMD is the cheap copy trying to keep up.

Great video! I'm loving maximum RT settings in Cyberpunk using frame generation on my 4080. There is a slight increase in input lag, but I got used to it quickly. I haven't noticed any obvious artefacts when averaging just over 130fps at 3440x1440 in the game's benchmark. It's an excellent feature.

I don't get why they are trying to interpolate the UI layers it should be rendered at full framerate on a separate layer and composited after the fact. optical flow is never going to do well with ui elements.

Idk I like dlss3 a lot, but its mainly like a really good gsync, letting you max out the smoothness of your monitor

On my rtx 4080 I mostly run DLSS quality mode or native 2160p, these 40 series cards produce some fast frame rates. My 3440x1440 monitor is pegged at 165 fps most of the time in most games, the 4080 excels at this resolution. I do use DLSS 3 in Cyberpunk 2077 on my 4k monitor. Even though this card is expensive at $1,200 I am happy with my purchase, could have got a 4090. I used the extra $400 to buy a 5800x3d to balance out my system.

So here's my opinion. The technology will continue to be perfected. Pixel peeping will obviously show some small defects. The true test is to play the games with FRAME GEN DLSS3. It's night and day difference and is a huge benefit and I don't see any of the pixel peeping defects. Get DLSS3 , Get NVIDIA. AMD needs to start implementing their own version.

Thank you for your work!

6:10 and those tire shadows on right are distracting as hell, i bet those are very well visible even in 100% speed

i can save u 20minute by saying if the youtuber has to zoom 200% and slow the video in 10% then you wont notice these stuff in real time

Great video! I'm a believer in DLSS3 after using it in Spiderman, Hogwarts Legacy and Cyberpunk 2077. I think it exactly works great when you achieve 100fps or more. Even at 80-90, it starts to fall apart. I would say it is worth reducing some settings to hit that 100fps or 120fps mark, because it is truly a transformative experience to play games at 4K100 or 4K120.

DLSS Swapper Anyone?

another noticable thing in F1 is the minimap flickering in and out

with the 7900 xt price cuts in the us would love to see more content comparing it to the 4070ti

This is great! All the 4 people who own RTX 40 cards will be happy to see some improvements

DLSS3 is a game changer in Cyberpunk, less so in games where it adds a lot of latency

Thank you for you honest and accurate analysyis of DLSS 3 🙂

Is this Problem visible if you play in arround 100 FPS? Cause i dont have those trouble. Testet in cyberpunk, Portal RTX and a plague tale

Where is amd equivalent....

They should introduce this to 2k and 3k cards. As it stands you don't really _need_ dlss3 if you have a high end cpu and a 4080 plus on , say 1440p, but maybe you would want it on 4k. Older cards would benefit much more.

Any idea why the Quadra rear light illuminates at very different intensities between the 2 DLSS releases?

sounds very much like async space warp in vr but at least that had the goal of preventing motion sickness

I have played 15 hours of Hogwarts legacy using dlss 3. Never noticed the UI flickering issue until you pointed it out in this video. Even at 09:04 when you explicitly point it out, I really can't see any flickering whatsoever. That's how irrelevant this issue is for me. As for fps, I'm getting 100-120 fps at 1440p ultra rt with my 4070 ti, 5600x and 32 gb ram. I'm very happy with the tech to say the least.

Nvidia should release official software to update DLSS in games, maybe through GeForce Experience.

What’s up with the lights being dimmed when using DLSS3.

Thanks!

165 Hz is “moderate” lmaooo