Better Ray Tracing, (Almost) No Cost - Nvidia DLSS 3.5 Ray Reconstruction Tested

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Video Index
00:00 - Welcome Back to Hardware Unboxed
02:39 - DLSS 3.5 is Badly Named
04:51 - Early Limitations of Ray Reconstruction in CP2077
06:46 - Ray Reconstruction Visual Quality Analysis
15:01 - Ray Reconstruction Performance
16:18 - Final Thoughts
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Better Ray Tracing, (Almost) No Cost - Nvidia DLSS 3.5 Ray Reconstruction Tested
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@ViniRustAlves 8 ай бұрын

For those looking to achieve DLAA level of quality with Ray Reconstruction, try using DLDSR (Nvidia Control Panel - NVCP) so you fake a higher resolution display than yours, then, in-game, choose a DLSS mode that is equal or close as possible to your native resolution (to put into perspective: if your display is 1440p, choose DLDSR 2.25X, which is 4K, and choose DLSS Quality, which will render the game at 1440p). Here are some of the most common resolutions and their respective render resolution using each mode of DLSS: 3840x2160p (4K/UHD): Quality: 2560x1440p Balance: 2227x1253p Performance: 1920x1080p Ultra Perf: 1280x720p 2560x1440p (2.5K/QHD): Quality: 1707x960p Balance: 1485x835p Performance: 1280x720p Ultra Perf: 853x480p 1920x1080p (2K/FHD): Quality: 1280x720p Balance: 1114x626p Performance: 960x540p Ultra Perf: 640x360p

@Santus612 8 ай бұрын

I have used this in other games to achieve better visual quality, UHD resolution with DLSS on 1440p display. Some games look just awful in native resolution even with AA maxed out. DSR + DLSS for the win!

@zndxt1970 8 ай бұрын

1080p with ultra perfomance DLSS must look really amazing xD What would 720 using dlss ultra perfomance look like?? 124x250p ??

@mrcactuar8515 8 ай бұрын

but whats the perfomance cost of this?

@creopictures 8 ай бұрын

Just use DLSS Tweaks instead. It enables you to select any internal resolution scalar you want, including 1.0x, in other words, DLAA.

@ViniRustAlves 8 ай бұрын

@@mrcactuar8515 in the games I've tested, didn't notice any performance difference. Maybe 1-3 FPS?

@AbeOfArabia 8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for your great work! Its beginning to feel like a part time job just keeping up with current tech...

@quwarq 8 ай бұрын

Understandable explanation on the maze of versions and dependencies of the DLSS mess. Good showing on the Visual Quality Analysis. Excellent job with this video, thank you!

@Lyxson 8 ай бұрын

I think the very last graph was meant to say 4K instead of 1080p. Great video, thanks for the work!

@F0X_two 8 ай бұрын

Thank you guys for these absolutely brilliant in-depth tests. I haven't yet seen anyone covering new features like dlss 2.0 or now ray reconstruction in such a precise and understandable way. Amazing work.

@NoClipMode 8 ай бұрын

Digital Foundry.

@krazyfrog 8 ай бұрын

@@NoClipMode bro just joined youtube and this was the first channel he clicked

@manyamaggot 8 ай бұрын

It just came out

@Dark.Syndicate 8 ай бұрын

digital foundry. now gamers nexus too.@@NoClipMode

@CeezGeez 8 ай бұрын

profile picture checks out

@InnuendoXP 8 ай бұрын

So if I follow correctly, DLSS 3.5 is the USB-C of the DLSS suite lineup.

@InnuendoXP 8 ай бұрын

It's doing everything- except for when it isn't, and actually it's agnostic from most of the things some or most of the time 🤔

@tringuyen7519 8 ай бұрын

⁠@@InnuendoXPSo just like USB-C cable only support USB 2 speeds, DLSS 3.5 is sometimes just DLSS 2.5 for older RTX GPUs. Right?

@sir1junior 8 ай бұрын

Yes in a sense but it's kinda weird because it looks better than than DLSS off with RTX on in some cases

@surewhynot6259 8 ай бұрын

No... DLSS (in general) is like USB C. The version/technology supported depends on the card and on the game.

@jimjamsam3482 8 ай бұрын

i dont think you follow correctly

@Blu9ty 8 ай бұрын

Y’all are so close to 1 million. Great to see this as a long time viewer.

@Skotty64081 8 ай бұрын

How sharp are reflections supposed to be? It kind of depends on the texture of the reflecting surfaces. Since this generally isn't well defined, it can be hard to say which reflections are more accurate, and trying to say what looks better will always be somewhat subjective. At 12:15, the floor, if it were real, would maybe have a mirror finish, or maybe not. The images are different, but I can't really say one looks better or more right. I think the biggest improvement that is quantifiable and undeniable is in any reduction of temporal delay in the denoising; that was needed, as it is an aspect of RT that can be worse than non-RT, reducing the overall benefit of RT.

@ravenoftheredsky 8 ай бұрын

Maybe the accuracy of the ray is a better way to anticipate the improvement. Devs can artistically interpret what to do with the enhanced integrity of lighting from there, and diffuse the reflection to give the complexity or subtlety that best supports world immersion

@oginer 8 ай бұрын

The one on the left is not right. When you have a reflective surface that's not a perfect mirror, the blurriness of the reflection increases with the distance of the reflected objects (and because of how RT intrinsically works, RT simulates this correctly). If you look at that image, the reflection of the red billboard is all equally blurry. So the blurriness here is not because the surface has a more diffuse reflection (edit: if it was a diffuse reflection, the bottom of the billboard would have a more mirror-like reflection, as it's closer to the floor, and progressively getting more blurry and even less visible).

@RavTokomi 8 ай бұрын

This is something I have always had in mind. For example a reflective walkway would be dirty where people walked more often, water isn't always perfect still or clear. But taking all that into account would mostly fall on the developers and artists to take into account when creating the world and effects. I think it will improve and evolve and RT becomes the default for new game development.

@Davinmk 8 ай бұрын

the left the one on the left is clearly unrealistic, objectively

@InnuendoXP 8 ай бұрын

It's less how sharp or blurry the reflection is, it's more how accurately any such light distortion represents the texture of the surface the light is reflecting from. A smudgy look doesn't automatically become accurate just because the surface is rough.

@ddpwe5269 8 ай бұрын

Great review, Tim! Well, as much as it's not perfect yet it definitely shows the direction they're heading and it will look amazing once they figure out all the nuances!

@dudanvictor4203 8 ай бұрын

It's not perfect but it's great actually.

@paulbrooks4395 8 ай бұрын

You guys always deliver the data that informs accurate decision making and product stratification. The levels of analysis and clarity of presentation is a jewel in the tech media landscape. Id call your channel the Anandtech of PC gaming benchmarks.

@aladdin8623 8 ай бұрын

I agree. I watched other reviews about dlss3.5 and they either are tinted by disgusting fanboyism, overhype or kiss a... of companies. But hardware unboxed never disappointed so far in appropriate objectivity, clarity, evidence and with detailed benchmarks. Also i like how the address issues. If something sucks hard time, they say it so and with arguments of course.

@toma3025 8 ай бұрын

I'd say that's a bit generous to be honest. Channels like HWUB and Anandtech are pretty distinct in their coverage and, arguably, aims in my experience. HWUB mainly just focuses on evaluating the "performance" of different technology, with benchmarks, tests etc. whereas Anandtech dedicates quite a large chunk of its coverage to actually discussing the design and underlying principles of those technologies. A bit like Top Gear vs Popular Mechanics.

@justcrap3703 8 ай бұрын

@@aladdin8623 You sound like someone who would call Hardware Unboxed paid shill if somehow their testing favors Nvidia.

@aladdin8623 8 ай бұрын

@@justcrap3703 And you sound like someone who wears winter clothes in summer, because he seems to be limited in perception.

@Mulberry2000 8 ай бұрын

Oh a fanboy statement, no they do not.

@CrashPilot1000 8 ай бұрын

Great deep dive on that new technology! BTW Is that completely done on the GPU or is there some offloading to the CPU happening as well (increased CPU usage)?

@alexatkin 8 ай бұрын

Its completely on the GPU, though I do wonder if it might reduce CPU usage as denoising and upscaling is handled in a single job whereas before surely each denoiser would need to be setup by the CPU? Either way its going to be hard to tell on CPU given CP 2.0 is supposedly more multi-threaded than older versions.

@1chrisanderson 8 ай бұрын

Wish you had touched on the overall increase in image quality when it comes to indoor scenes with clutter and complex bounce lighting. The subtle inclusion of extremely detailed shadows and boost in accuracy for small objects is just stunning when ray reconstruction is enabled.

@SilverforceX 8 ай бұрын

Stunning is hyperbole. The game already looks great without any RT whatsoever, and RT on just looks like extra light bloom.

@adamdunne6645 8 ай бұрын

@@SilverforceXfor some scenes yes, for many no

@m0rianne 8 ай бұрын

@@SilverforceXlooks like we found the radeon user. Gotta be some around I guess.

@TerraWare 8 ай бұрын

They need to bring this ray reconstruction on regular ray tracing as well. Ratchet and Clank for example looks amazing with ray tracing but it is a bit noisy, I feel it would benefit from this quite a bit.

@starcultiniser 8 ай бұрын

not just regular raytracing, this type of tech should be able to improve any lighting solutions that uses denoising, such as unreal engine's lumen.

@TerraWare 8 ай бұрын

@@starcultiniser True. I've been capturing some footage in Cyberpunk. It does have some bugs and glitches and in some cases it doesn't seem to work right but where it does its a very noticeable difference and I've no doubt Nvidia will make it better and better.

@elektromagnetik2786 8 ай бұрын

Nvidia reps already said that this is the plan, and I expect every new Nvidia Sponsored title to include it even if it doesn't have pathtracing.

@ausnorman8050 8 ай бұрын

Loving the sleek black dyed hair Tim.

@GameCookerUSRocks 8 ай бұрын

Nice video Hardware Unboxed. Everyone's always talking about not being able to have super high FPS with RT or RR. For a single-player game you only really need to achieve 60 frames per second to get a nice experience. Plus, if people used dlss balance mode that usually still gives a very nice picture quality and you get even more fps. I have an RTX 4090 so I am not talking from poor man's ignorance. I have an RTX 2070 and 2080 t.i. also so I know how these things look and run.

@jaymacpherson8167 8 ай бұрын

Tim, I appreciate your very thorough analysis. Reflection quality seems an issue limited to when a user has a comparison image or remembers that specific image with a different DLSS version. In other words, a reflection may look fine if one doesn’t know what that reflection might look like otherwise. For instance, the billboard with “foreign body” reflected on the marble is not an issue if I do not know what the real world reflectivity of the marble should be in that scenario as marble finishes are not identical, especially after wear being a city sidewalk.

@KillJD 8 ай бұрын

Facts!

@termitreter6545 8 ай бұрын

Imo its a matter of art style. Thats generally a funny thing with RT, it makes lighting often look different, maybe more complex, but that doesnt actually mean "better" in many situations. Just different. Eg you gotta have really bad/glitchy reflections for RT to be a big benefit, but even then its not like people look a lot at reflections.

@Pushing_Pixels 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I live in a city where there are plazas with polished marble tiles. They never look like mirrors. They are always too dirty to reflect detail cleanly, and too uneven to not distort the shapes and lines.

@alexatkin 8 ай бұрын

I love that you looked at things so differently to Gamers Nexus, definitely worth looking at multiple comparisons to see all the pros and cons. Though its interesting that they saw a slight performance gain yet you saw a loss.

@johntotten4872 8 ай бұрын

GN used a 13900k and HUB used a 7800x3d. That could be the difference?

@zorbakaput8537 8 ай бұрын

@@johntotten4872 Different PCs will play every game differently, some people hang on to single performance results far too much. Running different monitoring programs will load background services differently and cause differences in the results.

@alexatkin 8 ай бұрын

@@johntotten4872 Yeah I was wondering, makes you wonder if it DOES cause more driver overhead.

@NatrajChaturvedi 8 ай бұрын

GN should stick to being wannabe geeks and not focus on the actual games that much. Since they aren't actually gamers themselves which is obvious.

@trignite 8 ай бұрын

The 2.0 update added Opacity Micro Maps (RTX 4000 series feature) that speeds up Path Tracing a lot on foliage. Also 2.0 update made the game use more cores/threads better. So all the comparisons that are showing 1.63 vs 2.0 are not apples to apples comparisons for DLSS RR.

@bartbroekhuizen5617 8 ай бұрын

Love the in depth comparisons of the tech! Even if i don't own a Nvidia card.

@ziizoraka4985 8 ай бұрын

you can enable RR in the settings config file for regular RT and it really helps clean up the noisy reflection on metalic guns, you take a pretty big hit to performance though

@NANOTECHYT 8 ай бұрын

Not bad for a first try, in some scenarios it's better, in others it's slightly worse, but only very slightly. Considering how far DLSS has come, I imagine in four years time Ray Reconstruction is far better and more accurate and is a simple toggle-on for most players like DLSS is now.

@tomtemple69 8 ай бұрын

i don't use upscaling, i buy cards that can just run a game the way it was supposed to be

@now_ever 8 ай бұрын

@@tomtemple69 but the games in general are bunch of fakes. So why no to use DLSS, when it is compatible with native? I mean, when it makes the picture real bad - it's understandable. But when you can't see the difference straight out the gate - why no to use it and boost fps?

@Davinmk 8 ай бұрын

@@now_everbecause right now, and the coming future, there will always be some drawback and it’s clear that it’s not something they can fix yet. take responsiveness for example, by generating fake images, in its essence it creates responsive lag

@tomtemple69 8 ай бұрын

@@now_ever I use AMD cards, their rasterization is more than good enough for my resolution and refresh rate don't need to artificially create frames that increase latency and upscale a lower res image, i have great vision and i can notice the upscaling

@Taldirok 8 ай бұрын

@@istealpopularnamesforlikes3340 That's never going to happen on PC, just touching on the framerate part alone, 30 fps at its core has too much latency, whatever reconstruction or anything you're putting on top, nothing is going to change that, it's certainly NOT the future.

@user-qo5qy8dm7q 7 ай бұрын

It depends on individual circumstances. For me, I directly applied the HDRmod to 2077 (originally it doesn't support HDR; I used HDRmod to simulate HDR on an SDR display). Then, I set it to 1080p, all options at the highest except for the lowest level of volumetric clouds and fog. I used DLSS on 'Ultra Performance' and enabled ray tracing. After that, I used a mod to change the number of rays and reflections to 3 (originally they were all set to 2). At this point, turning on and off DLSS 3.5 makes a noticeable difference; there are more details.（rtx3060laptop）

@matthew2182 8 ай бұрын

I used to have to play on DLSS performance mode when using my 1440p monitor before the update. Now I can run 1440p quality mode without noticeable slow down. I've also noticed they removed grass shadows from some areas so maybe that has more to do with it.

@xxxmrhankixxx 8 ай бұрын

amazing looking forward to it in like 10 years when the prices make sense again :) surely the prices will make sense again ... right ?

@__-fi6xg 8 ай бұрын

lets see how global warming and corona goes, i think if this keeps up we will be on the menu in 5 years. Some days i already felt like a chicken burrito in hot sauce.

@6ch6ris6 8 ай бұрын

hm yeah maybe in 5 years i might get interested in ray/path tracing when i can play games with mid range GPUs at proper fps and resolution

@-........ 8 ай бұрын

the tech is cool but my mind goes numb when i hear "cyberpunk 2077" for the umpteenth time

@-........ 8 ай бұрын

@@Pikkoroo thanks, cpt obvious

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

@@-........The game is actually great now. And you will hear it a lot more now that it's expension releases next week and the reviews have been absolutely raving.

@haukikannel 8 ай бұрын

With $4000 GPUs… for low end $1000 GPUs this comes much, much later…

@TechTusiast 8 ай бұрын

It is amazing you were able to notice all these things.

@gaurd3 8 ай бұрын

Nice work! Explained this madness

@hjge1012 8 ай бұрын

My main issue with a lot of these new reflection techniques, while they might look nice in a bubble, it doesn't look realistic. Devs seem to make every material look really glossy, just so they can use these new techniques, or they make shadows way too sharp. When I walk outside however, pretty much nothing actually looks like that. Shadows often are blurry and a lot of metarials just don't reflect that much light. Maybe game devs need start hiring material and lighting expert, because this just aint it imo.

@JackJohnson-br4qr 8 ай бұрын

Yesterday I went for a walk in the woods and there was wet marble everywhere. I was shocked how unnatural this nature looks. But then I changed my mind as I realized the forest was sponsored by Nvidia. Such a beauty!

@ShinyHelmet 8 ай бұрын

I agree. In Control, I always thought the un-ray traced floors looked better. With Ray Tracing the floors are all so shiny it looks like Ahti's been buffing them while doing coke.

@cc0767 8 ай бұрын

yeah that always weirds me out in Cyberpunk, yeah rainy streets will reflect light but not like a mirror

@NukeMyHouse 8 ай бұрын

"Maybe game devs need start hiring material and lighting expert" You wouldn't believe the amount of R&D that goes into materials and lighting systems for modern games. They have plenty of experts.

@B1u35ky 8 ай бұрын

You walked outside!?!!?!

@relucentsandman6447 8 ай бұрын

I'm very interested in DLSS 3.5 testing, I went with AMD because I felt RT visual quality wasn't high enough to justify the performance hit, but DLSS 3.5 feels like a big leap forward towards it being worth turning on RT

@fried_funk 8 ай бұрын

But from this analysis it looks like DLSS 3.5 doesn't being significant performance improvements, only somewhat better image quality (which I struggle to see but that's me..), besides it's only available in one game in a single mode, so basically a demo for now. It's a nice step forward but I feel like it's worth waiting at least the next generation of GPU to make it worthwile (except the 4090 of course).

@nannnanaa 8 ай бұрын

or you could just have regular lighting in games by the devs with actually playable fps

@joelashworth7463 8 ай бұрын

The image quality is being undersold here - there will be video's on youtube in the next few weeks by other channels that show off the differrence - the image stability is incredible - and in practice it feels like DLSS 3.5 has jumped upscailing tech/ray tracing forward 5 years in one version.

@__-fi6xg 8 ай бұрын

We have to see how many games ultimately implement Path tracing to make DLSS 3.5 implementation even possible. It seems Nvidia is only able to output one path traced game after another.

@NatrajChaturvedi 8 ай бұрын

I laughed out loud when he claimed it isn't a big buying consideration in the video. Ever since I saw the announcement for ray reconstruction, its the one thing that has stopped me from upgrading to AMD from my current Nvidia card.

@Souneed 8 ай бұрын

my eyes would litterally never see or care for any of these details coming from potato laptop to a 3070 gaming desktop anything amazes me visually xd great job guys !

@MotoCat91 8 ай бұрын

Something I would love to see as an alternative to RT is Screen Space Reflections that can extend beyond the screen space. Say you're gaming at 3840x2160p, then instead of having 2160p/1080p reflections that get cut off by the edge of the camera, have the SSR calculations based off a secondary wider FOV/aspect ratio like 2560x1920p/1920x1440 that can sample off screen content with specific bias toward things above the top of frame (where SSR breakdown is the most obvious) It would obviously be more performance intensive than standard SSR, but nowhere near the level of RT and universally compatible to boot. Then as the angle gets more acute blend the transition from SSR to cubemap to prevent the very obvious "wipe" effect as the camera moves I long for the day when all machines can easily run full ray traced everything without breaking a sweat as it's always accurate and lightens the load on developers too.. no baking, fake hidden light sources, cube map trickery etc. But I still feel that day is a long way off, unless someone can implement that reprojection system shown by 2kliksphilip and LTT - maybe then I could go back to low fps

@Brian-dd2df 8 ай бұрын

Can we all appreciate the irony of how this DLSS comparison video is sponsored by an AMD GPU? But in all seriousness, thank you for this break down of what's changed. Checking out the updates tonight with my 4080 💪

@aladdin8623 8 ай бұрын

Oh wow you and only 1 percent of all nvidia gpu owners can play exactly only this one dlss3.5 game. Bravo!

@legendarylava8775 8 ай бұрын

@@aladdin8623the word "only" implies itll stay that way, just like the word best or worst. A gross oversimplification for something just starting out.

@aladdin8623 8 ай бұрын

@@legendarylava8775 The Frame gen part in dlss3.5 is blocked for all nvidia gpus except for the 40 series, of which only the overpriced gpu models like this guy's one can somewhat run the game in path traced mode. Sounds like nvidia once again hits the marketing overhype drum, to sell more gpus to its blind fanboys, while declaring previous models like even the 3090 as old. Buying nvidia gpus means buying planned obsolescence. Meanwhile amd saves previous nvidia model owners once again by making FSR3 available to them.

@em_the_bee 6 ай бұрын

@@legendarylava8775welp, it'll likely stay this way for years xd

@em_the_bee 6 ай бұрын

@@aladdin8623what "game" are you talking about, Cyberpunk? I tried this interactive movie, no gameplay was found after a couple of hours of pressing F to see the next dialogue line Did they finally add gameplay in a recent update or something?

@clownavenger0 8 ай бұрын

I think a 4-7 percent performance increase on higher end last gen or middle end current gen cards is pretty nice. Helps my 3080 stay over 40FPS at 2k ultrawide, balanced DLSS. Having a g/sync monitor has been a godsend with how slow some of these recent games run. I hope AMD has a response because Nvidia is using features to justify terrible pricing.

@Cinnabuns2009 8 ай бұрын

@13:50 and the earlier example just prior it appears since both of these examples are for the same material (a polished marble or stone/terrazo). It seems like maybe the properties of that material haven't been updated for ray reconstruction or there's a typo in the shader instuctions since all the examples you show that are inconsistent, use that same mat'l.

@jwallace6913 8 ай бұрын

Just got my first RTX card (4090), so I've got a lot of terminology to catch up on! I suspect I will use upscaling and ray reconstruction, but not frame generation.. system latency is crucial for me

@Netsuko 8 ай бұрын

It's crazy how fast we went from "fully rasterized" to "fully path traced". Really looking forward what's to come.

@CaptainScorpio24 8 ай бұрын

it took 5 yrs bro from 2018 to 2023

@samcerulean1412 8 ай бұрын

Not even close to "fully" path traced. It depends on your definition .

@catalinneculita4988 8 ай бұрын

@@samcerulean1412 fully playable in 720P with some sharpening and miss frames… impressive

@Xul 8 ай бұрын

@@40Sec As a technology, sure, it is impressive. But there still isn't really a point in using it in games. Unless you have a direct comparison I wouldn't even recognize RT stuff. In fact the most obvious RT moment in this video that stood out were the ghosting issues - which says more than enough about how irrelevant it is ... I haven't bothered using it in over 3 years (neither on my 2080ti nor on my 6900xt) and I don't think I will start to bother if my next card is an Nvidia product again.

@Xul 8 ай бұрын

@@40Sec "immersion breaking" sure o.O So anyone below 4090 Isn't able to properly "explore" it or what`? Don't be ridiculous. You can play RT fine enough to get the point and there are also enough videos out there. There is just not that much of a benefit of RT unless you look for it - but sure tell yourself that you have super high immersion because of some silly reflection and lighting which nobody really cares about when *actually* gaming. This is why we get more and more games with mediocre game mechanics, generic writing and lazy/bland design (cyberpunk is the best example ...). People are too busy to repeat GPU marketing claims instead of actually playing.

@no2war274 8 ай бұрын

The hope about devs being more liberal with RT effects usage might be a bit misplaced i think. What i gathered from DF interview with Nvidia about RR is that as it effectively replaces regular DLSS and denoiser it also, unlike modern DLSS solution, requires a deeper game integration on a per game basis. This is essentially a bit of a bad news because it ofc means that how often we will see RR in games will entirely depend on dev's will to integrate it and Nvidia's effort to promote it. I suspect there will be less or no success stories like recent DLSS community mods for games like Starfield or SW Survivor.

@pmmm712011 8 ай бұрын

DLSS1.0 is game specific. DLSS2.0 is not. 3.5 is game specific, I expect 4.0 to be general.

@alexatkin 8 ай бұрын

@@pmmm712011 DLSS 3.5 is not game specific in the way DLSS 1.0 (a model trained on that game) was. But it does need to be implemented at a very specific point in the rendering pipeline so that denoising and upscaling can be done at the same time, so it presumably needs its own renderer implemented in the game. As such, this is not something that likely can be fixed as in a game not designed for it, denoising is not happening at the point where upscaling is, and 3.5 is designed to do both things at the same time. This also likely reduces latency and VRAM, as you're just running a single model. This is even more important if you consider frame generation is already yet another AI model, you can't just keep adding models indefinitely as each one will use up VRAM and add latency.

@rasurin 8 ай бұрын

It's all a part of making sure people can't choose anything but the newest Nvidia hardware pmuch, blatant as hell

@aladdin8623 8 ай бұрын

I agree especially since RR is currently restricted to path traced titles like CP2077. How does RR help owners of older nvidia gpus, if you need a totally overpriced high end gpu to achieve acceptable fps? This sounds like alluring old customers into trying out the tech, overhyping them once again and convince them to just upgrade their high end gpu once again shortly after. I bet dlss 3.5 is not the only a.i. technique, that can be enabled on older nvidia gpus but frame gen as well, which according to nvidia was only possible on rtx 40+ series gpus.

@rapzid3536 8 ай бұрын

There is a significant boost to ambient occlusion that's not really discussed here but present in nearly every scene comparison.

@chrisbeauchamp5563 8 ай бұрын

Great video Tim

@Navi_xoo 8 ай бұрын

The reflections look incredible. Unfortunately you will need a 3080+ for this to really feel decent or really a 4070 with frame gen but still. Hopefully the RT ultra mode is updated to work soon.

@ProfitSlim 8 ай бұрын

as a 4070ti owner, I am feeling great.

@mohyari3075 8 ай бұрын

You can do it on a 4060 ti maybe even 4060 at 1080p with high or costom settings

@Davinmk 8 ай бұрын

@@mohyari3075500$gpu for 1080p 💕

@maddawgzzzz 8 ай бұрын

4080+ for decent fps.

@ProfitSlim 8 ай бұрын

@@maddawgzzzz maybe at 4K, I'm getting a consistent 60+ fps @ ultrawide 1440p on my 4070ti

@Jadedpanthermatt 8 ай бұрын

im running a 3080... Ray reconstruction is greyed out in cyberpunk menu unless i switch to path tracing... is ray reconstruction limited to path tracing? i was under the impression it wasnt

@aquaticpears3183 8 ай бұрын

If you enable this and go to The Afterlife and look at the reflections of the dancers in the water tanks -the reflection looks absolutely stunning

@InfiniteDarkMass 8 ай бұрын

Those colored ghosting artifacts behind NPCs look pretty funky. = )

@riven4121 8 ай бұрын

Honestly torn between the 4070 and the 7800XT as their prices where I am are essentially identical unless I wanted an overkill AIB card, but ray reconstruction does look like a potential gamechanger going forward. Ah if only Nvidia had given the 4070 16 gigs of VRAM. It would've been an instant no brainer for me.

@siddhantkamble9502 8 ай бұрын

i'd say go still go with 4070 if they are at same price. The features are too good.

@tittydaredevil 8 ай бұрын

Wait for AMD's response

@HuntaKiller91 8 ай бұрын

4070 is $50 more expensive in my country Or rm200++ extra Thats a month worth of gas 😂

@tringuyen7519 8 ай бұрын

Considering that DLSS 3.5 is a response to FSR 3.0, wait for FSR 3.0 to launch next month. Then make your decision.

@PhilosophicalSock 8 ай бұрын

@@tringuyen7519 it is clearly not a response to fsr3. Fsr3 is a response to dlss3

@gumpyland 8 ай бұрын

Gamers Nexus mentioned there were a lot of bugs when changing visual settings within the game. I wonder if some of the weird results could be due to that. Was your testing done with the just released Nvidia driver 537.42 or an earlier version? Just curious.

@iconoclastvii 8 ай бұрын

Always restart cp2077 between major setting changes. Engine is unpredictable without it.

@alexanderlane 8 ай бұрын

@@iconoclastvii GN mentioned that even with restarts the restarts were causing settings to change. Super buggy still

@iconoclastvii 8 ай бұрын

@@alexanderlane Yeah they're talking about settings turning off and on of their own accord. I'm just talking about the game not behaving itself if you turn off and on some more major settings like RT or Path Tracing.

@dwindeyer 8 ай бұрын

I was wondering when nVidia would start looking further up the rendering pipeline to use ML prediction, the lower level you can implement it the more benefit you will get

@SlickR12345 8 ай бұрын

Tim in the 12:43 the images you showed, ray reconstruction does in fact render a more accurate picture, as some surfaces do not reflect light as a mirror, they diffuse the light they reflect and it does appear blurry, but this is more in line with real life, rather than every surface looks like a mirror which we see in most games these days!

@avstreamstudio1278 8 ай бұрын

I came here to say that. Call it a spin, but indeed a tile should not reflect as clearly as a glass window or water puddle.

@Dark.Syndicate 8 ай бұрын

excellent video guys. thank you sooo much for this hefty amount of work. clearly these software technologies are awesome and I hope Amd implements them sooner rather than later 🙂

@hondajacka2 8 ай бұрын

AMD cards don’t have the AI hardware so it’s more than just a software update for them.

@ivanjay6675 8 ай бұрын

Good job CD Project Red... its crazy its like not only was picture quality been updated i actually get a better smooth frame rate as well. Started a new game ... may be my last play through. Played it 3 times all as a different operator so its slightly different each time

@MyYTaccountName 8 ай бұрын

I built computers for ten years up until 2015. I have NO IDEA what ANY of this stuff means anymore and hats off to all of those that understand it. You are the future and keep up to date on it or you will fall so behind and not understand any of this stuff in five years.

@Shehzada-e-tharki 8 ай бұрын

It's just a way to make more bucks I guess. Honestly I won't even notice the ray tracing if I'm "actually" immersed in the story or the gameplay

@MyYTaccountName 8 ай бұрын

@@Shehzada-e-tharki it sounds so damned gimmicky and just gives these corporations more power over the consumers by adding way too many options and customizations. Give me a powerful piece of hardware, skip the unnecessary software tweaks and send AI to its place in Hell where it belongs.

@Shehzada-e-tharki 8 ай бұрын

@@MyYTaccountName Good sir, I remember playing my first ever pc game, Submarine Titans way back in 2001 on a pentium 3 with a crt monitor. Not even 720p, no rt or any of those 💩& yet I still cherish those moments. It was fun in it's purest form

@Eleganttf2 8 ай бұрын

@@MyYTaccountName without AI you wouldn't have many things as easy as it was no lmao, stop being ignorant about technological changes

@carrickdubya4765 8 ай бұрын

@@Shehzada-e-tharki I must be much older than you, my 1st was a Leading Edge computer ~1990 that ran at 4Mhz and had a toggle "turbo" switch for 8Mhz. I think the game I played back then was called King's Quest - or something like that - LOL

@imo098765 8 ай бұрын

The path tracing mode has a mod that reduces the bounces from 2 to 1. Yes the path tracing is less impressive but still more impressive than without it It takes a 3060 from a sub 30fps card to above it. While I wont tell anyone to play at 1080p quality mode DLSS with path tracing, its "playable" if you dont mind a console experience. Edit: I have no idea how it will work with Ray Reconstruction given less rays to work with

@dead_locked 8 ай бұрын

Plus the full ultra settings aren't worth it. It's much better to play with optimised settings and get 50+% performance with almost no loss in quality.

@nukedathlonman 8 ай бұрын

Well, I guess this is good. But I have other concerns regarding this title with it's 2.0 update and updated requirments (I'm itching for the expansion too). But how much is my performance about to tank given the new requirments (no RT). It play's plays nicely on my system currently.

@nukedathlonman 8 ай бұрын

Oh, weird - the fuss they where kicking up about maxing out all cores, I'm not seeing that. I do see a very even loading of the cores/threads. But otherwise, performance wise - it's the same as before (maybe up slightly by looking at 10 benchmark runs - yes, I cheated by using the internal benchmark - let's see what happens after an hour or two of game play now)... I think they may have gone a little overboard on the CPU requirements looking at the loading.

@__-fi6xg 8 ай бұрын

the more you buy, the more you save.

@foxpants 8 ай бұрын

Very thorough, cheers!

@Lishtenbird 8 ай бұрын

Companies have really been pushing for "streamlining" their naming lately. It's as if they're going out of their way to hide the technical, scrutinable part of their "magic" that still lets consumers make conscious decisions, and want to only present one single, constantly evolving "live service"... which, incidentally, would require their latest and greatest product if you actually want to use all those features without, on accident, "missing out" on something from their constantly expanding menagerie.

@Winnetou17 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, DLSS got a brand power, so now they tie everything to it. I hope that people naming these don't get money for this. Though, to be fair, in this example, it can certainly be worse.

@jolness1 8 ай бұрын

As someone who works in tech, this is not new. Streamlining and frictionless have been daily words people use since I started years ago.

@alpha007org 8 ай бұрын

DLSS as a Service? :) Please don't give nvidia the idea.

@douglasmurphy3266 8 ай бұрын

@@alpha007orgIm totally anticipating them doing some form of that. If they pull off something like charging for the "service" or "software" rather than drivers & product support, they would have a way to monetize used hardware.

@aggies11 8 ай бұрын

DLSS is the new "game works". Which is funny, cause it's pretty transparent. Gameworks got a bad rap, DLSS (at least 2.0) was pretty universally praised. So they wanted to capitalize on the goodwill and took something that was named for a specific technology, and try to ret-con it into an umbrella "brand". Nvidia definitely likes to strong arm their marketing (vs say a gentle hand).

@ThunderingRoar 8 ай бұрын

Funny how so many techtubers pretended that Portal/CP77 pathtracing had "perfect" lightning and reflections and it's the absolute future of 3D rendering while ignoring the glaring de-noising issues. And here comes out Nvidia with an update pretty much saying "Yeah guys the shadows and ambient occlusion looked incorrect so we fixed it"

@or1on89 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was funny to hear people say “that’s how it should look”…really? 🤣

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

Digital foundry definitely mentioned the noise in their coverage.

@AMD718 8 ай бұрын

I agree. Pre-DLSS 3.5, RT/PT was the gold standard for image quality. A revolution in visual fidelity that all should strive toward. Now, post Ray reconstruction, the old RT/PT is pretty terrible and mostly not worth enabling. So, which is it? Which was it?

@aladdin8623 8 ай бұрын

@@gavinderulo12Digital Foundry has always been sucking nvidia's a... and are overhyping things. They long time ignored the issue of insufficient vram in modern console-to-pc-ports and had to fix their statements in after video reviews. This happened with starfield, unreal engine and nvidia overhypes. Just look at immortals of aveum and how the UE5 engine sucks in contrast to DF foundry's promotion of the UE5 matrix demo. I usually countercheck DF and LTT videos with reliable channels like hardware unboxed and gamers nexus.

@iseeu-fp9po 8 ай бұрын

Great work, Tim!

@marsovac 8 ай бұрын

11:06 what's going on with shadows of people on the ground? they are ghosts? there is only ghost trails behind their feet.

@dayzerodotsec 8 ай бұрын

Video on Nvidia's DLSS 3.5 Ray Reconstruction, sponsored by Sapphire Radeon 7800 XT. 👀

@RobBCactive 8 ай бұрын

Well given this new feature only works practically on exorbitantly priced GPUs in one showcase game, it makes sense.

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

@@RobBCactive Ray Reconstruction works on RTX 2060 and up. Low FPS is because of CP2077 Overdrive setting (basically, Ultra+)

@RobBCactive 8 ай бұрын

@@igorthelight like hell it does! Didn't you listen to the video? It only works in with CP2077's RT Overdrive mode which does full path tracing, requires special training.

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

@@RobBCactive True! My bad.

@allansolano5587 8 ай бұрын

What is funny for me is that they let you use on rtx 30 and 20 the ray reconstruction but you need the only not usable feature on those gpus to be able to activate it lol

@miniwez5580 8 ай бұрын

You can use diss 3.5 (ray reconstruction) on 20 and 30 gpus, you just won’t have access to frame generation (diss 3.0)

@tomtemple69 8 ай бұрын

@@miniwez5580 yeah, nvidia is greedy like that that's why i usually always buy AMD

@Davinmk 8 ай бұрын

@@miniwez5580that’s what he said

@allansolano5587 8 ай бұрын

@@miniwez5580 yeah i know but it is stupid because it cant be used with normal RT only with path tracing so is basically a fuck you for every of the rtx 30 and 20 series

@MysteryMii 8 ай бұрын

@@miniwez5580 Yes, but you need to turn on Path Tracing RT in order to use Ray Reconstruction in Cyberpunk, and as the benchmarks show, Path Tracing RT is just too much for the 20 and 30-series GPUs to handle, even with Ray Reconstruction turned on.

@arjunyg4655 8 ай бұрын

This has brought up a huge question for me: did Nvidia make any notable changes to DLSS super resolution in 3.0? Meaning if frame gen is off/not implemented, are there image quality or performance differences between DLSS 2.x and 3.x? (before 3.5 that is…)

@inowtf4299 7 ай бұрын

I think jaystwocents made a video way back on dlss there was a quality improvement from 2-3. I had a 2060 tho but dlss on my 3080 looked better imo, I got the 4080 last week I can’t really see too much of a difference but things just run smoother and with lower latency.

@MasterCog999 8 ай бұрын

so with the signs sharpness wouldn't that a result of the ray reconstruction using a lower resolution base and thus dlss doesn't resolve as sharply as the higher resolution base with the standard pathtracing?

@HoldMeForever 8 ай бұрын

it's been years since the release of rtx and, I still don't give a flying fuck.

@mojojojo6292 8 ай бұрын

Yet you are here watching this video and commenting.

@HoldMeForever 8 ай бұрын

@@mojojojo6292 well I like to support hardware unboxed even though I can't donate.

@phantomfreak0813 8 ай бұрын

NVIDIA only added support for DLSS 3.5 to older cars so they can show the people with 2xxx and 3xxx Series how good RTX could look, and it would look even better when you get a 4xxx Series bcs better performance and higher settings.

@DenienN 8 ай бұрын

I remember that they did smth. similar for BF5 where they enabled ray tracing for GTX cards just to show that it's time to upgrade :D

@Vladx35 8 ай бұрын

We have all yet to meet Hanako at Embers it seems.

@Matisaro 4 ай бұрын

i WONDER if the artists can make colored lighting which changes pre project the new color a little bit before the actual displayed change so the ray tracing can precalculate the upcoming change to sync it better?

@devonmoreau 8 ай бұрын

Nvidia's technology and software really is impressive, I just wish they were more generous with hardware at sub high end.

@skirmich 8 ай бұрын

Running the game on RT Psycho should be your concern as it still looks awesome and has good frame rates. Path Tracing and thus Ray Reconstruction is maximum graphical work so it demands high end gpus. I am pretty biased since I own a 4090 but I have completed Cyberpunk at least 5 times now so its easier to spot the differences now that I am familiar with how the game looks.

@AK-tf3fc 8 ай бұрын

nvidia is bad and if you buy their gpu you are a corporate shill.

@__-fi6xg 8 ай бұрын

@@skirmichCyberpunk is exactly the game for you. Its tailored for 4090 users, everyone else will probably have that experience in 4-6 years, when midrange is able to run it on max without problems.

@xeuxis8892 8 ай бұрын

@@AK-tf3fcamd should make better graphics cards then

@karl5010 8 ай бұрын

@@AK-tf3fc cope

@robertstan298 8 ай бұрын

big meh And here I was hoping the days of being underwhelmed by the prototype/tech demo masquerading as a game, Cyberpunk, are almost over.

@Stong1337 8 ай бұрын

Ngl cyberpunk max setting with RT overdrive, i set dlss to performance on my 1440p monitor and was getting 60-70 frames and it looked really good. Not sure if they have updated actual dlss upscaling but it looks a runs way better than before.

@Chilledoutredhead 8 ай бұрын

Amazing testing as always. I wonder, if cyberpunk gets dlss 3.5, will the ray reconstruction be even better. I love how incredible it looks in 90% of the scene, imo

@Xx_m1k3_0X1onG_xX 8 ай бұрын

Dlss 3.5 has been confirmed to be in cyberpunk 2.0 update

@Forty2de 8 ай бұрын

Ray Reconstruction is a part of DLSS 3.5 only.

@loganwolv3393 8 ай бұрын

You mean super resolution 3.5? Well, i doubt it. But they may choose to improve the ray reconstruction, so there's that. But if they choose to do it i would focus on eliminating the times where ray reconstruction makes certain reflections worse, and make it pairable with the OG ray tracing so it would be more accesible to the lower tier cards as well, especially the ones without frame generation.

@VioletViolent 8 ай бұрын

Cyberpunk has not updated its DLSS sr and frame gen dlls, they're still at 3.1.1

@thaddeus2447 8 ай бұрын

Been using RTX 3080 for 3 years almost, have not turned on any ray tracing reflection or shadows since day one. Only that matters is performance and only thing i used was DLSS

@ronjatter 8 ай бұрын

Weird

@user-pv7gt4mi5b 8 ай бұрын

do you want a cookie

@teddyholiday8038 8 ай бұрын

On my 4090 I’m getting about 6 fps higher across the board with RR on

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

Yeah it's weird. Most video show a slight performance advantage over the traditional denoisers not sure why it wasn't apperent in this video

@skippychurch2965 8 ай бұрын

What? How are you even using it yet? Cyberpunk 2.0 isn't out yet

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

@@skippychurch2965 it has been out for over 2 hours.

@teddyholiday8038 8 ай бұрын

@@skippychurch2965 Yes. It is. It went live on Steam a couple hours ago

@haukikannel 8 ай бұрын

The game change setting on the fly… so really hard to know if this really increase speed or juts reduce quality…

@Aragashia 8 ай бұрын

I've been tinkering with Cyberpunk 2077's 2.0 patch and managed to reach a stable 57 FPS at 4K with Path Tracing, Ray Reconstruction and everything set to High with SSR and filters turned off, using the Balanced DLSS preset. I've got no stuttering and I haven't noticed any frame drops regardless of scenario. I'm using an RTX 4070 Ti coupled with an AMD Ryzen 7 5800x and I'd probably sit around 5-10 FPS without all of this tech if I tried to run it at a native 4K resolution. It's still rough around the edges, but Ray Reconstruction fixed most of the glaring issues that kept me from using Path Tracing during actual gameplay. And for those having issues with Frame Generation like I initially did: I was able to fix the input latency and screen tearing issues using the following Nvidia Control Panel settings for the game: Max Frame Rate: 57 (60hz screen minus 3), Low Latency Mode: Ultra and Vertical Sync: On.

@Zanbatoss 8 ай бұрын

6:23 how did you manage to get all those cpu cores used.. Mine only use one and the rest is like 1-3%

@Azureskies01 8 ай бұрын

The biggest issue ive found with any ray traced anything (when it comes to reflections and shadows) is it handles diffusion poorly ...like super fucking poorly. To the point of me just turning it off in 99% of games even though i have a system that can run it fine in most cases.

@JackJohnson-br4qr 8 ай бұрын

What is diffusion?

@Azureskies01 8 ай бұрын

@@JackJohnson-br4qr So you know in this video or other Ray Trace examples of reflections off pools of water or when you see shadows cast by ....anything and the reflection or shadow is sharp and pretty much perfectly drawn? That is the ray tracing not being able to (over simplification) diffuse the reflection or shadow as how it would be seen in real life. imo we are still NO WHERE NEAR ready to have realistic diffusion in games and would be much better suited by just running RT on things such as global illumination and having it work with normal raster shadows.

@stanimir4197 8 ай бұрын

It'd appear the way the games try to mitigate the issue is just avoiding light diffusion (and refraction) by having incredibly flat and glossy surfaces, so it'd take fewer rays (and bounces) to approximate the reflections. Real-time path tracing is quite far off, compared to animated path traced films.

@O_Pulsarium 8 ай бұрын

40 fps on a 700€ gpu @ 2k Looks nice and all but it will good when mid tiers like xx70 are having the performance of the 4090. below that is unplayable.

@mojojojo6292 8 ай бұрын

Frame gen will double that so you can get a 1440p playable experience with max settings. Yes the input lag will not be great but it's a single player game. It doesn't need to be great.

@Taazokaan 8 ай бұрын

@@mojojojo6292 framegen on a 40fps base ? good luck with latency/artifacts lol

@mojojojo6292 8 ай бұрын

@@Taazokaan the fact that it's possible at all on a mid range card is insane. In 3 gens rtx has pushed the possibility of full path tracing in a modern demanding title with playable frame rates.

@tinto278 8 ай бұрын

Nice jumper!

@dberry1973 8 ай бұрын

I think my eye sight just doesn't care enough to worry? I wear glasses and can't see much difference when I switch on different types of settings. I only notice the FPS drop when I switch on some of these settings? I only have a RTX 3060 12GB or and RX 6900 XT 16GB depending on what system I use.

@Volker_A4 8 ай бұрын

Dissapointing that this doesn't run on playable settings. But, it does look much better.

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

Ray Reconstruction is NOT heavy! Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive setting is!

@Volker_A4 8 ай бұрын

@@igorthelightnaturlich

@zexedearth89 8 ай бұрын

4090 gets 100~ fps with framegen and path tracing, all settings maxed out. And input lag is not really that bad because the game is being rendered at around 50fpsa. If one wants to enjoy cutting edge tech, cutting edge EXPENSIVE hardware is required :P

@666yazman 8 ай бұрын

Where it is great to see new technology NVIDIA has clearly making mess in all this... specially by locking features with different generations of GPUs ...

@lashyndragon 8 ай бұрын

We're almost to the quality of rastered reflections. Cool

@Hafizul12 8 ай бұрын

You really need atleast a mini led to appreciate path tracing. On my LG C2 OLED path tracing and HDR really takes my breath away

@joshuasmith3517 8 ай бұрын

So what i'm hearing is just wait 3-5 years to even consider an actual acceptable 4k full light based goodies at high frame rates. Thanks for clearing that up. Though i'm sure that ceiling will be even higher by then. $3,000 for a 8090 TI lol

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

Did we watch the same video?

@dpcaire 8 ай бұрын

30-series doesn't REALLY support Ray Reconstruction in CP2077, as RR requires path-tracing mode activated, so it's effectively 40-series only.

@mildmannered1086 4 ай бұрын

really appreciate this vid ty x

@Gregoses 8 ай бұрын

you missed a few things like the buggy ligthing resets going on at 10:40

@Chris3s 8 ай бұрын

I wonder if we will get a similar technology without using RT (eg. AI reflections, shadows, etc)

@mikelay5360 8 ай бұрын

With lazy developers like Bethesda's , that's a pipe dream

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

Reflections and shadows don't really use denoiser, don't they? ;-)

@Chris3s 8 ай бұрын

"similar", which applies to those things (as things like shadows actually do use more computing, maybe there is a way to lessen it with AI/DL, even stuff like upscaling textures or sharpening the edges while using less computing power @@igorthelight

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

@@Chris3s Fair point!

@jgould30 8 ай бұрын

Maybe it's just me but I feel like there needs to be a LOT more work put into materials and defining their reflection properties if they want this stuff to actually be realistic. As is it just seems like everything is dialed to create a reflection that looks like a mirror or wet surface or something. Things like the angles, material properties, environmental conditions, etc are simply not taken into account. Look at a pool on a windy day, vs a cloudy day, vs a sunny but still day and reflections will look completely different (apply that to puddles of water, oceans, a fountain, etc). Same goes for dust, dirty, etc on surface, windows, marble floors, or whatever else. None of that seems to exist today which just makes it all look completely unnatural to me. Sure, it looks really "high res" but just a AI generated high resolution fake image. There are literally examples in this video where you are in a dark area and a floor looks like it's a mirror from lights FAR away which simply would never look like that in real life, not even close.

@user-zk3el1bg9c 8 ай бұрын

The problem is that rough reflections are so much harder to get right with raytracing as you will need far more rays per pixels. That’s why I’m current games most surfaces have a high roughness cutoff. Callisto protocol is one of few games I know of that has very low roughness cutoff for rt reflections and it looks incredible

@Jossages 8 ай бұрын

Angles, material properties, and sometimes environmental conditions (it depends) ARE taken into account. Not all reflections are mirror (e.g. 8.29 in vid, or the dry asphalt etc). Also keep in mind they aren't going to modify assets for the different rendering paths, assets are likely authored mainly for the raster or RT modes first - if they lower roughness values to get a certain look with the SSR, it will look too reflective with proper reflections. In addition to what the other guy commented.

@termitreter6545 8 ай бұрын

Besides technical limitatoins, and there being a lot of work left, I think a big problem is that to get the perfect effect, you have to make the game with raytracing in mind. Current games have most people play without raytracing, so thats where they put in most the effort. If you can skip the legacy lighting, im sure we'd get way more meaningful RT implementations. But I dont see that coming for a while. Funny thing is, Nvidias 'advantage' in RT is actually the problem, because it means AMD/Intel users demand that the game works without. And frankly, most Nvidia users as well. Because frankly, even Nvidia GPUs are pretty garbage at RayTracing. Its very basic effects and the framerate still gets crippled, the only solution is bandaids like very powerful GPUs and performance optimizers like DLSS. Being better than AMD isnt a big acchievement if youre still this bad.

@starcultiniser 8 ай бұрын

while obv ray reconstruction isn't perfect I think your complaining about the wrong thing, its more so the game itself rather than ray recontruction.

@Zyxlian 8 ай бұрын

@@termitreter6545 I updated to 2.0 yesterday to test it out with my 4090, and at 4k, I was getting 27 fps average with path tracing. DLSS Quality was averaging about 55fps, but the ghosting was terrible. We have at *least* 3 more generations of cards before ray tracing actually becomes relevant if this is the performance right now.

@vgt 8 ай бұрын

I'll run the in-game benchmark with Ray Reconstruction on just to make sure, but with a 3080 Ti and a 1440p monitor, it looks like I won't be able to turn on Ray Reconstruction until I can use it with Path Tracing off. That's a bit of a bummer...

@paul2609 8 ай бұрын

Did you restart the game every time the setting is changed? Cyberpunk has this annoying bug where changing graphical settings doesn't apply to all settings until you restart.

@Vladek16 8 ай бұрын

this looks so much better, and for no performance cost ! Goods news like that are rare 🤩

@skippychurch2965 8 ай бұрын

The problem is, OD mode is still expensive as hell. I may play cyberpunk in 3 or 4 years after better hardware comes out to really enjoy it. I did the same thing with Control. It was only recently that I could enjoy that game with everything cranked up.

@ShinyHelmet 8 ай бұрын

@@skippychurch2965 The only Ray Traced effect tht I thought worthy in Control was the reflections in glass (which there is alot of), everything else was just meh and used up to many frames for the little changes they brought. The overly shiny floors with RT for instance didn't realy appeal to me.

@saricubra2867 8 ай бұрын

@@skippychurch2965Control has barebones lighting, the global illumination in Cyberpunk 2077 is way more natural

@skippychurch2965 8 ай бұрын

@@saricubra2867 yep, but not my point. It took a few generations before I could play that really maxed out. I'm saying it may be until the 5xxx fen of graphics cards before I truly go back to this game.

@01talima 8 ай бұрын

ive always thought normal RT just looked worse than normal , always took grief for it from nvidia fan boys , now with path tracing all of sudden old RT looks bad and its ok to say it.. lol

@docmars 8 ай бұрын

Yea I think one of the few advantages RT had was fewer/no artifacts that screen space effects show, but otherwise, the perceivable differences were almost too minor to notice. What people DID notice is the performance hit 😅

@d_shi 8 ай бұрын

eh screen space effects looks complete ass to me, and I can't stand them. Different strokes for different folks

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

Nah. The rasterized artefacts are just way too noticeable and distracting. I just can't stand the horrible light bleed and overall flat look due to missing shadows etc.

@giglioflex 8 ай бұрын

The new denoiser has it's own downsides as well. To me it makes the game look like a doll house, fine detail is lost and the number of light bounces is limited.

@dagrimmreepa 8 ай бұрын

@@docmarsthis is false. Games like Metro 3 or Control look amazing with RT on vs off. Completely different experiences.

@Cypeq 8 ай бұрын

I'd love to see comparison of Path Tracing in full DLSS3.5 vs Psycho RT with DLSS 3.0, I'm seeing some surprising numbers but I don't feel like properly testing it. All I can say it's quite playable in 4k.

@lechugaconsal8604 6 ай бұрын

The psycho graphic mode is just reflections by SSR that are very demanding (for the little graphic improvement it offers). So no, the "psycho" graphic setting is not ray tracing. In fact, this graphic setting consumes more than the ray tracing ultra itself (No path tracing, only ray tracing ultra) PS: In summary, even if you activate ray reconstruction with the psycho graphic setting, there is no improvement in the reflections generated by SSR (obviously there is an improvement in the reflections generated by path tracing)

@trippexdj5768 8 ай бұрын

Yea good work mate well done!

@thetechnerd7467 8 ай бұрын

You need an rtx 4090 to get 60fps with this at upscaled 4K with DLSS performance 😂

@gavinderulo12 8 ай бұрын

It's fully path traced lighting running in Realtime. What do you expect? Offline renders also use path tracing and rendering a frame takes hours or days

@mojojojo6292 8 ай бұрын

Without frame gen. Double it with that. The end result even with the upscaling will look far better than native 4k without RT.

@Nightmare78hAlo 8 ай бұрын

Well there goes my interest in that tech, i was expecting the ray reconstruction to work for all ray tracing tech not just one specific type CP2077 has that is only viable if you got a 4090/4080.

@Nextil81 8 ай бұрын

Haven't watched the video yet but they've said in interviews that it can in theory be used for non-path-traced RT effects, just that they don't really recommend it because it's an AI model (pretty much a matrix multiplication) so it comes with the same cost as when used for full path tracing (about 2ms on a 4090 IIRC), and this tech makes full path tracing much more viable since you don't need as many samples to get good results, so they recommend just doing that instead since it significantly simplifies the rendering process and results in better image quality.

@kuma-bw1we 8 ай бұрын

Its coming to regular RT as well, not just path tracing

@vinnyclifton7006 8 ай бұрын

3D generalist here. A sharper reflection is not always indicative of a more "physically accurate" or "higher resolution" reflection. Reflective materials have roughness, which in general has the effect of making the reflections appear blurrier. This simulates surfaces that are microscopically rough, scattering the reflected light in a way more similar to diffuse reflections. These rough reflections require more samples to resolve well (without noise), and therefore will in this context lean more heavily on denoisers for clean up. So in the context of this example, this could explain why the newer version is in some cases producing ghosting where previously it did not. It may be attempting to reconstruct a wider range of roughness values (which is good in theory in terms of accuracy) than the old version, but makes more frequent use of denoisers as a result, creating new artefacts. Worth noting as well - the materials and their textures throughout the game were likely created, checked and signed off using what are now deprecated versions of the in-game render pipeline. They may not necessarily be artistically optimized with the current rendering pipeline, through no fault of the artists. This is cutting edge tech with a lot of moving parts! The 12:15 example looks to me like the floor is made of a completely different material. The diffuse marbling detail looks gone altogether, across the entire surface. This could well be a bug - perhaps the textures for this material are being read in the wrong color space...

@d1m18 8 ай бұрын

A lot of details. Thanks

@50H3i1 8 ай бұрын

And you'll need a 2k$ card to play very nice indeed

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

No you don't. Watch video carefully.

@rustler08 8 ай бұрын

So, all you need is a $1,600 GPU to get just barely over 100FPS in 1440p.

@igorthelight 8 ай бұрын

... in a best looking game of 2023. Yes! ;-)

@Navi_xoo 8 ай бұрын

Is 100fps bad now for the absolute top of the line max setting graphics tech? What are people even complaining about anymore. You do know you can tweak settings?

@davidborovsky2877 8 ай бұрын

I don't get this "always bitching" attitude of people like you. Yeah, developers could have just provide us with inferior raster rendering, so people like you would be happy that you can at least get 200 FPS at native! They literally have came up with rendering technique from the future and find a way, how to make it playable thanks to smart AI solutions even tho current-gen HW alone is not sufficient for it - but hey, someone will start bitching that it's bad because we need "fake frames" to have it playable.

@mikelay5360 8 ай бұрын

If the competition has anything better, go buy them.Meanwhile , Blame the developers

@joelconolly5574 8 ай бұрын

In ultra. High is fine enough.

@2ndLastJedi 8 ай бұрын

The ray reconstruction button flashes on then back to off for me on my 4090 so I cont tell if it's actually on or not. Following Tim's method to enable it but it always stays in the off position.

@BlGDaddyRob 8 ай бұрын

I was excited about ray tracing in the 2000 generation. Its nice to know that 2 generations later with a card that costs as much as I want my entire build to be I can almost get there lol. Only a couple generations away now! I don't think my 1070 will make it though, I need a stopgap card.

@b.3713 8 ай бұрын

get a cheap 4k card so you have access to frame gen in the meantime...they are significantly cheaper than what i paid for my 3080 oc edition