Watching Ellie | The Seinfeld Curse Files

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@browdser 2 жыл бұрын

The timer idea is SO INSANELY BAD I can't believe it happened. The absolute last thing you want to remind your audience of is passing time

@moaningpheromones 2 жыл бұрын

Agree - the dumbest idea especially a sitcom. This reply will end in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

@Dreadjaws 2 жыл бұрын

Not even 24 pulled that, and the whole premise of the show was that it happened in real time. Sure, you'd ocassionally see a ticking clock, but not all the time.

@trueblade3636 2 жыл бұрын

Just put clocks with the time in the show as a kind of a gimmick / 'easter egg' Then you still have the 'timer-idee'

@JiuJitsuGuy24 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, 24 really messed up there. 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡

@zg-it 2 жыл бұрын

Remind me of when Fox put a highlighter on a hockey puck.

@wvu05 2 жыл бұрын

"The network expected _Seinfeld_ numbers from the beginning." The irony of that statement is it took _Seinfeld_ four seasons to become a hit. In fact, Larry David wrote the season two finale expecting that to be the series finale.

@bernlin2000 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda blows my mind they didn't give these actors full seasons just to feel out the audience. Seriously, Seinfeld was the biggest cash cow of the 90s for network television, then suddenly there's no money for a potential sequel? Stupid management.

@wvu05 2 жыл бұрын

@@pashadyne Okay, what difference do you see in the choice of preposition?

@wvu05 2 жыл бұрын

@@pashadyne I'd argue that 8, 5, and 10 episodes really aren't time to expect something to find an audience.

@wvu05 2 жыл бұрын

@@pashadyne This was the pre-streaming world. Even given Fox's reputation for pulling the plug quickly, they gave _Arrested Development_ 53 episodes, and _Andy Richter Controls the Universe_ 19 episodes. The stronger networks often gave shows a chance if they believed in the work. _Cheers_ was one of the biggest hits of the 1980s, but it finished near the bottom of the ratings its first year. Think of all the great shows we would have missed on if they got the plug pulled because they weren't big hits within the first few episodes.

@wvu05 2 жыл бұрын

@@pashadyne You may be right about expecting a built-in audience, but I'd be more concerned if ratings dropped after charging hard out of the gate. The ratings do look like they fell of a cliff for _The Michael Richards Show_ (which I personally think suffered because the ads showed him dancing in an outfit and hairstyle that looked like it went full Kramer, so people were probably disappointed that they didn't get it). I couldn't find the numbers for _Bob Patterson,_ and _Watching Ellie_ seemed all over the place. So, I will grant that maybe the plug was pulled fairly for the first attempt to break the _Seinfeld_ curse.

@evangray7449 2 жыл бұрын

The timer idea is nuts. To viewers, it signals "come back in 22 minutes, when what we are counting down to is on!".

@GregorBarclay 2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100% - it reads like a countdown to something else entirely. Was there an actual purpose to the timer here? Was it connected to something on the show? Otherwise you might as well have just left the timecode on the raw footage for all it adds to the programme.

@davidl570 2 жыл бұрын

To say the timer thing was a VERY bad idea would be an understatement. Must give Julia and Brad credit for trying something different though!

@texasyojimbo 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't watch the show, so forgive me if this was the original concept, but: Maybe what they could have done is "fast forward" during commercial breaks, so that only the parts between commercials are in real time. So if there was some boring crap stringing together the good scenes, they can just say "8 hours passed during commercials" or whatever. And then each show would really be like a three act play in three 7 minute acts.

@judgebeanos 2 жыл бұрын

@@texasyojimbo I really like this idea of three 7 minute acts having time pass between commercials really can cut down boring shots

@trueblade3636 2 жыл бұрын

Just put clocks in the show as a kind of a gimmick / 'easter egg'

@jswets5007 2 жыл бұрын

Seinfeld was the show that tricked you into thinking it was about nothing. In fact, the only thing it wasn't about was the growth of the characters.

@DenkyManner 2 жыл бұрын

That's true of all sitcoms week to week. I guess the difference is Seinfeld dispensed with the bs learning moment at the end of each individual episode that was a hallmark of mainstream American TV. Even Southpark can't resist having a lesson at the end.

@TheJillers 2 жыл бұрын

Growth?

@jswets5007 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheJillers Emotional and spiritual growth, people learning lessons and becoming different than they were before or at least living in a different situation (married as opposed to single). The show ended with the exact same joke as it began with; that button is in the worst place. Most shows the characters grow, not just physically age, but change a little. Even if every week they learn a new lesson and then next week it is forgot, they grew during the episode. That never happened on Seinfeld. On Seinfeld, everyone was the same person at ever second of the show.

@TheJillers 2 жыл бұрын

@@jswets5007 sorry I misread the "wasn't" as "was" and was like "those misanthropes never grew as humans"

@jswets5007 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheJillers oh lol, it happens. That's what I like about curb, it's the show Larry David always wanted to make. I think Larry's character is actually regressing. 😂

@JeonardShadby505 2 жыл бұрын

I remember how hyped this show was in Entertainment Weekly, since the real time format was used so effectively on 24 around that time. But between the low ratings and creative rejiggering, it died a slow and painful death instead. At least Julia found far greener pastures on VEEP and beyond.

@jdtroup198683 2 жыл бұрын

Is this the same Jesse from Awfully Good Movie I remember it too that show had Steve Carell

@111highgh 2 жыл бұрын

"Rejiggering" is not a word.

@Yophillips3272 2 жыл бұрын

@@111highgh I think he said it as a slang term. To re Jerry rig something. And as in Jerry he means Jerry Seinfeld. That's actually really clever. 👏 Also rejiggering is a word.

@sugreev2001 2 жыл бұрын

I've saved many issues of EW from the late 90's to around 2008 or so, and I remember this issue so clearly. Julia looked so hot on the cover lol.

@DrunkenSlob 2 жыл бұрын

Veep is a great show

@Mattfromthepast 2 жыл бұрын

Here is what I would do with this format, every story ends with some sort of big hilarious mishap that out of context makes no sense, each episode starts with the mishap and then flashes back 22 minutes to explain how the characters got into the situation to begin with. The ticking clock then become a countdown to disaster and that gives the show a format that is easily explained to viewers and can become a hook while keeping the stories and comedy focused on the big laugh that bookends each episode.

@dreadz3758 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea. Some else mentioned 24 coming out around the same time and using a similar "clock ticking down" format. The reason your idea works so well, and similarly the reason 24 worked so well in that format, is because the clock is ticking down to something significant happening. There are big stakes, which creates suspense for the viewer. In "Ellie" it's literally just a clock ticking down until the show ends. With no real purpose for the clock, the viewer might find themselves thinking, "This is boring, I wonder how long until it's over?"

@Mattfromthepast 2 жыл бұрын

@@dreadz3758 Yeah, exactly. If you are going to have the ticking clock the network insisted on it has to be building to something or it is just reminding the viewers that they are watching a show and taking them out of it.

@eatatjoes6751 2 жыл бұрын

That's what I expected.

@joyfulgirl40018 2 жыл бұрын

That's actually a great idea. You should've written for the show.

@d.b.scoville 2 жыл бұрын

That’s essentially how Curb works they just dont show you the mishap at the start

@stproducciones9140 Жыл бұрын

the three shows oddly feel like they were thought up by the seinfeld characters themselves. Kramer's is a weird nonsensical project involving detective work that eventually failed spectacularly George's is the laziest of the three, just trying to continue what he was doing in seinfeld and changing little Elaine's is well thought up and more high concept, but nonetheless blew up in her face despite her best intentions.

@ftjm69 2 жыл бұрын

Elaine broke the curse with The New Adventures of Old Christine

@childofnature4402 2 жыл бұрын

I would love a Forgotten Failures on "Joey". So much hype for a thoroughly mediocre show. Friends continues to be wildly popular and yet Joey has seemingly been wiped from our collective consciousness.

@jeremyusreevu237 2 жыл бұрын

Joey is only brought up when mentioning terrible spinoffs.

@ianfinrir8724 2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching it when it came out and then it was gone and I never thought about it again until reading your comment.

@childofnature4402 2 жыл бұрын

@@ianfinrir8724I watched the first couple of eps when they aired but quickly lost interest. Like so many spin-offs, you quickly realise that a great ensemble cast, where no single character is allowed to be overexposed, is what made the original show work. I think a spin off with any of the Friends characters would've failed for that very reason. Phoebe's kookiness works for 10 minutes an episode, but 30 would be pushing it.

@calebmarmon1310 2 жыл бұрын

I will second a bonus episode for Joey. Or a spin-off for Friends curse… if that was a thing.

@54NELA 2 жыл бұрын

I wish friends could be wiped from our collective consciousness.

@Transmission_Rory 2 жыл бұрын

_"Okay, okay, hear me out. My character is a therapist, living in the city, but I'm married ... to an Elephant."_ - Julia Louis Dreyfus in 'Now it's just getting sad'.

@DrAg-ez3ps 2 жыл бұрын

The best line is what the elephant says last: "It actually gets very watchable"

@sumthingwikked4257 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrAg-ez3ps Elephant's Wife: YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT, HERMAN!

@Jays_dead_cat 2 ай бұрын

New Adventures of Old Christine broke her curse.

@VideoGameAutopsy 2 жыл бұрын

I don't begrudge the actors for their post-Seinfeld shows failing, I begrudge the networks. The networks were trying so hard to keep the spirit of Seinfeld alive that they completely forgot that their lead actors are talented, and do have a wide range outside of comedy. Aside from Jerry, Julia was always the one who was going to have a career outside of Seinfeld. Jason fluctuates between Broadway and the small screen every now and then, and Michael's getting by with his comedy. It's just a shame that no one at the networks could see the actor, they only saw the character.

@judee.caulfield6386 2 жыл бұрын

underrated comment

@4seeableTV 7 ай бұрын

Well, the actors involved COULD have said no. But they didn't. So they do indeed share the blame.

@kamenanew9867 2 ай бұрын

@@4seeableTVya ever had a job? Saying no I won't do that means no work at all. Lotta times ya just gotta do the best you can at a job that may be crummy. Work is how we sustain life n junk.

@ryank6322 21 күн бұрын

You can just tell that the networks were trying SO HARD to typecast these poor actors. 😔

@ThatJohnKillion1970 2 жыл бұрын

I for one am more than happy to hear that loud, obnoxious canned laughter slowly being killed off in the newer comedies.

@tboyd5150 2 жыл бұрын

It is the only good thing about today's sitcoms.

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 жыл бұрын

Same

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 жыл бұрын

@@tboyd5150 lol wut. There are plenty of good things about today's sitcoms.

@SS-yw7vo 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e example?

@Yophillips3272 2 жыл бұрын

Some of my favorite shows have canned laughter. Well it could be studio audience too.

@tyjuarez 3 ай бұрын

Dreyfus seemed to have a deep understanding the nuances of what made Seinfeld a good fit for her and how to adapt those strengths to a new show. I'm glad that Veep ended up being a success that went on multiple seasons.

@RoeLuv1 2 ай бұрын

Julia has had so much post-Seinfeld success, I don’t even remember Watching Ellie

@frankmartin182 2 ай бұрын

'Veep' was an all-time classic. Stacked cast, great writing- abso hilarious show.

@dannigro8794 2 ай бұрын

That’s because in 2006 old Christine broke the Seinfeld curse and I remember it was such a big deal when that show was on because everybody thought maybe it was just gonna last only one season but it lasted five and 88 episodes because it found its groove. And then veep did its own thing on HBO and became critically acclaimed that that is considered one of Julia’s best roles ever

@shinyagumon7015 2 жыл бұрын

Watching Ellie Season 1 sounds like a great concept that was hindered by it's execution. 22 minutes is way to short for such a concept and doesn't allow it to tell interesting stories, the show is basically over before the plot can really take off.

@TheJillers 2 жыл бұрын

I honestly really love this concept and think it was ahead of it's time. Imagine if there was a KZfaq series that was 22 minutes in a life Or else a series of vignettes as a staged play. But I don't think TV was the right medium for this type of storytelling.

@princejellyfish3945 2 жыл бұрын

I think it might’ve worked if you went full farce a la something like Fawlty Towers. But you’re right that 22 minutes is just too short for comedic situations to unfold properly in real time.

@penske_material Жыл бұрын

a concept like this is perfect for a streaming service. The could make each episode as long as the story required it to, 22 min, 30 mins, 45 mins, etc they wouldn't rely on a specific time

@andrewnicon 2 ай бұрын

in my case, the show would just be me reading a magazine and dropping a deuce

@Howitgoes799 Ай бұрын

An anthology series that features this concept would be cool.

@thealchemist51 2 жыл бұрын

The series reminds me of one of the best Mash episodes Lifetime. It was an episode where a wounded soldier came in and was bleeding so profusely he was even getting through the pressure bandage Hawkeye stop the bleeding by compressing the aorta against the soldiers spine but if they didn’t get the blood flowing within 20 minutes he could risk permanent Paralysis. Hawkeye asked the time the chopper pilot gave it and as soon as that started a little clock running in real time appeared on the lower left-hand side of the screen. Even when he went to commercial the clock is still ticking it’s considered a famous episode and I can see if she’ll revolving around something like that if done correctly

@TheRealMonkeyrogue 2 жыл бұрын

I think if you had a show based on Emergency Response that did sort of thing, it would elevate the drama. Man what an episode too.

@sofakingonmynuts1438 2 жыл бұрын

In the early 2000s my dad would watch mash constantly, I would complain about the "loud" intro or how I'm sure he has seen every episode, man I judged a "book by its cover" with such disrespect, I am so glad I just shut up and watched this masterpiece, sometimes embarrassingly fighting back tears.

@moaningpheromones 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah MASH was very, very, very good though. It worked when they did it. One episode, sure. They didn't say - yeah we'll base the whole season on a real time clock.

@michaelglatt100 2 жыл бұрын

Julia Louis-Dreyfus clearly had the most success post Seinfeld in terms of sitcoms. Watching Ellie didn’t work out, but at least had a fair amount of episodes. Plus she did The New Adventures of Old Christine which ran for a while as well as Veep.

@bellotaguerrero 2 жыл бұрын

And veep was fantastic

@MariaMaria-sr8zg 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed The New Adventures of Old Christine in reruns. Most of the characters were fairly funny.

@CarryTheThree 2 жыл бұрын

@@MariaMaria-sr8zg Yeah that was my show too..

@CarryTheThree 2 жыл бұрын

Curb but yeah out of the 4

@audiosurfarchive 2 жыл бұрын

Veep has gotta be one of the GOATs. So goddamn great; anytime I see particularly loony news articles, it reminds me that we ARE in Veep.

@mst3kanita 2 жыл бұрын

I remember when Steve Carell took time off from daily show to be on this show! I was so sad when they changed the format tho

@bernlin2000 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like it could have been a good fit on HBO and the like, but not good for network TV at the time. I would argue it wasn't until "Scrubs" that single-camera audience-less sitcoms really took off. "Watching Elle" was somehow too late (from the potential Seinfeld boost) and too soon at the same time. I never knew it even existed until today lol, always thought "Christine" was Julia's first sitcom after Seinfeld 😂

@SamAronow 2 жыл бұрын

@@bernlin2000 It was _Malcolm in the Middle,_ then _Scrubs,_ and after that we were off to the races.

@MangaMattReviews 2 жыл бұрын

How about the failed spin-offs from “Married...with children?” They actually dedicated episodes of the show to make them fully fledged pilots of other shows. Imagine if The Michael Richards show, watching Ellie, and Bob Patterson all had their pilots IN episodes of Seinfeld slotted in their planned episodes. Crazy to think about.

@CR4ZYeyes 2 жыл бұрын

The difference is the Married With Children backdoor pilots were true spinoffs while the shows featured in this series aren't. It would be strange to have the main actors playing completely different characters on the same show as a way to sell a show that isn't actually a spinoff.

@bernlin2000 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the timing was off, that's almost certainly true. They should have been prepping in that last season but of course that would have tampered with the integrity of the show. Married with Children is a very conventional sitcom compared to Seinfeld, it was more natural to slot what is essentially a "promo episode". It would have been laughably transparent on Seinfeld, I suspect.

@loginregional 2 жыл бұрын

Matt LeBlanc is cursing you at this very moment.

@user-cv8qe9ru8c 2 жыл бұрын

What other back door pilots have there been? The married with children episode that confused me as far as that goes is the radio free Tremaine episode. The verduccis episode never fit

@randomguyontheinternet7940 2 жыл бұрын

I would've loved to see Seinfeld mock the idea of sitcom spin-offs in an episode.

@calvinnigh5489 2 жыл бұрын

I guess I never realized how far superior Dreyfus’ post-Seinfeld career was compared to the others. Thanks Ramoni!

@theninjararar 2 жыл бұрын

I think Seinfeld was ok

@bonniebellaxoxo8853 2 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that she holds the most Emmy wins for a performer and only one of them came from Seinfeld

@StealthMaster86 2 жыл бұрын

@@bonniebellaxoxo8853 She has 11 Emmys. When it comes to acting it's eight. She won six years in a row for Veep. One win from The New Adventures of old Christine and one win from Seinfeld. The other 3 is also from Veep where she was also one of the executive producers when it won for Best Comedy. She tied with Cloris Leachman.

@bonniebellaxoxo8853 2 жыл бұрын

@@StealthMaster86 I knew that she won a bunch for veep… but the new adventures of old Christine shocked me. My mom used to watch the show all the time when I was in middle school but I didn’t think it was that popular. I liked the show it was funny but I never heard anyone talk about it

@EssexAggiegrad2011 2 жыл бұрын

Julia has easily had the most success post Seinfeld

@Ogaitnas900 2 жыл бұрын

They're all good actors and entertainers, to me these clearly failed because of the attempts at Seinfeld. This one was really ahead of it's time in a lot of ways.

@Chaoitcme 2 жыл бұрын

Except for the second season which turned an interesting show into a shitty sitcom.

@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 2 ай бұрын

I like looking at Julia Dreyfus as much as anyone but this show was so fuckin terrible not even she could justify sitting thru it damn I can watch Will and Grace, which is grating as hell, because Debra Messing and Megan Mulaly are hot as fuck so this shows how bad Ellie is

@boxcarhobo7017 2 жыл бұрын

This was an ambitious, audacious, clever, concept of a show I thought was a refreshingly original idea. Critics said it was even. It was innovative and beautifully executed. Then the studio interference, the retooling and 86ing the real time aspect and entire vibe and point of the series into a bland, basic, conventional formulaic forgettable sitcom. The stand out scene in the pilot was the impromptu moment between Julia and her real life sister doing the 'fancy necklace' dance. The moments normally cut from shows, the in-between connective scenes of real life real time walking place to place made each episode a surreal exercise in the sublime like those segments were directed by David Lynch . I appreciated it and it still stays with me.

@bernlin2000 2 жыл бұрын

Always going to be hard to top the greatest sitcom of all time. Impossible, really. Julia certainly did the best job at breaking the "curse" (I wouldn't consider Larry David to be a part of that, as a writer), with "Christine" as a genuinely successful, stereotypical multi-camera live audience sitcom. She didn't try to replicate the comedy of Seinfeld, and Veep also had a unique (and decidedly more "British", dry sense of humor) comedic take that ensured that "Elaine" would not be remembered for a singular character, unlike her counterparts on the show.

@Afroofthenight 2 жыл бұрын

I remember Jason Alexander in Duckman

@rafahnatio2448 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@JazzyUte 2 жыл бұрын

Christine was really way better than it had any business being with how painfully generic much of the premise was. But Julia did a fantastic job and funnily enough, you can see a lot of her Selina character in Christine.

@amwfan88 2 жыл бұрын

Of the three initial post-Seinfeld shows, Watching Ellie is the only one I've seen. I watched the first episode the very night it premiered. I was in 8th grade at the time and my mom and I - both Seinfeld fans - watched it. We were so confused by the timer, and it literally wasn't until just now that I a) remembered this and b) realized why they had it. We did laugh a few times, but I don't really remember any of it, and I never saw it again. Also funny to note that both Peter Stormare and Lauren Bowles were on Seinfeld - Stormare was Slippery Pete in the Frogger episode and Bowles played a recurring waitress at Monk's.

@Ultradude604 2 жыл бұрын

Don't know the name "Peter Stormare", but when "Slippery Pete" is mentioned. Yep! That's the guy! Instantly put a face to the name.

@amwfan88 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ultradude604 He's been in a whole bunch. He was in Fargo, the second Jurassic Park movie, Prison Break, Longmire.

@Ultradude604 2 жыл бұрын

@@amwfan88 Oh yeah! Fargo! I remember. One of the two killers. I think

@tremorsfan 2 жыл бұрын

I think Watching Ellie should have gone further and have each episode done in one continuous take.

@dannigro8794 2 ай бұрын

I can’t believe this lasted two seasons but I’m glad Julia Louis Dreyfus found success in the very entertaining new adventures of old Christine and the immensely clever veep.

@Djarra 2 жыл бұрын

The real time was interesting, although I'm not sure that it really worked here. There is a British show 'Roger and Val have just got in' which told a complex story by just showing the two characters in the 25 minuets after they came home. It's a bit of a forgotten classic. But it really did show how well that real time can actually work.

@Tony6Shot 2 жыл бұрын

It's good to know that at least Julia wasn't permanently stuck trying to recapture the magic of Seinfield after the show ended. Jason Alexander seems to only have one mode of comedy acting for the most part (which is probably hard not to do, considering that George Costanza isn't that cartoonish a character) and Michael Richards was only ever going to be used as Kramer... At least until he took up stand-up comedy, anyway.

@Thomasmemoryscentral 2 жыл бұрын

At least Alexander has voice acting to be thankful for? Hes on shows such as Duckman and more

@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 2 ай бұрын

Only CURB with Larry David was any good. But that show only features the Seinfeld cast a little trying to make lightning strike twice is a waste

@williamthomas5215 Жыл бұрын

Part of me thinks that this show would’ve lasted longer in today’s streaming world

@oldmanonyoutube 2 жыл бұрын

Julia Louis-Dreyfus was great in The New Adventures of Old Christine that came out a few years later.

@mariogamefreak1 2 жыл бұрын

And Veep

@DrAg-ez3ps 2 жыл бұрын

@@mariogamefreak1 Veep is awesome, I tried to watch The New Adventures of Old Christine but it wasn't funny at all in my opinion

@mariogamefreak1 2 жыл бұрын

@@DrAg-ez3ps never watched Veep but it was successful and broke the Seinfeld cruse

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 жыл бұрын

New Adventures just seemed like a run of the mill sitcom.

@DrAg-ez3ps 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Definitely. As a swede it also relied on many american cliches and wasn't as general "western" in its humor as say Seinfeld

@chriscreaturo8809 2 ай бұрын

And then JLD said fuck you guys with VEEP, such a great show. New adventures of old Christine was pretty decent too

@SecondTake123 Жыл бұрын

I love the New Adventures of Old Christine! Julia's hilarious!

@stupid8911 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful job. I remember liking the show's first season, clock and all. I also remember the re-tooling for Season 2 and not liking the audience input. I'm still waiting for a "New Adventures" reboot, that show is a hoot-and-a-holler.

@GolumTR Ай бұрын

Julia is smokin’ in every shot, incredible

@GrilledPandas 2 жыл бұрын

every cut to Seinfeld is done incredibly well - really enjoyed this series.

@Jared_Wignall 2 жыл бұрын

It’s interesting to see the shows that were made with the stars of Seinfeld and how they failed for one reason or another. Keep up the great work Joe!

@usagiwerd6664 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you brought this series back ive been waiting and need new content

@coreyglover6174 2 жыл бұрын

FINALLY. I love this series! Keep making more.

@dansanfrisco 2 жыл бұрын

Could have been a very different TV landscape had Cheers not ended at the time it did. Seinfeld hit its creative stride in 1993-94 and then Friends and ER debuted. The Thursday night juggernaut was born. Crazy that NBC thought they could at all replicate lightning in a bottle that those shows hit upon in the mid 90's.

@ExplorerDS6789 2 жыл бұрын

Networks are like that, all they see are numbers. That to me is one of the reasons AfterMASH failed: bad writing and bad acting (except from the three leads) aside, CBS wanted it to be the same ratings juggernaut that M*A*S*H was, and that just wasn't going to happen.

@theroachman253 2 жыл бұрын

Man, these edits are perfect. I enjoyed watching this video.

@tobe1207 3 ай бұрын

New adventures of old Christine wasn't so bad

@bryansoto6355 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video. Thank you for sharing.

@davidl570 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this, Joe! (Whether or not it has anything to do with my comment from quite a while ago requesting that you review this show). You the man!

@pholly 2 жыл бұрын

This seems like it was a good idea with poor execution, I'd actually like to watch this unlike the previous "Seinfeld Curse Files" shows.

@michaelrotch9773 2 жыл бұрын

Just found your page. Live laugh loving your work! I'm a Nielsen employee so I love these things. Keep up the good work!!!

@thehylianloach9473 2 жыл бұрын

Top notch editing sir, kudos

@Tennislove88 2 жыл бұрын

Of all the Seinfeld actors, JLD was the only one to really find success on a different sitcom IMO, that being VEEP. Veep is such a funny, dark, and awesome show and the character she plays is like an evolution of Elaine while still being distinctly a different character! In some ways I even prefer Veep to Seinfeld (blasphemy i know)

@Cool70sfreak 2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget New Adventures of Old Christine which came before. That was also a pretty successful sitcom that ran 5 seasons.

@mantra24 2 жыл бұрын

Veep's one of the greatest tv shows of all time and put JLD up there with Lucille Ball, Betty White and Mary Tyler Moore.

@Thomasmemoryscentral 2 жыл бұрын

Jason Alexander captured success in voice acting as a 2nd career so I guess Michael Richard is the only one that got it real rough attempting to fashion a different tv career outside Seinfeld?

@DocFunky Ай бұрын

I just watched all four of your Seinfeld Curse episodes, and this series is the one I find the most interesting. I wish I'd known about it when it aired...but I feel like the restructuring for Season Two would have killed it for me.

@vertigq5126 2 жыл бұрын

This was really interesting, thanks for the in-depth analysis! I’m surprised that I’ve never heard of this show in any way. God bless you!

@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 жыл бұрын

The concept of the first season actually sounds pretty cool and interesting. I wish they stuck with it and improved it rather than throwing it out entirely.

@ThisIsCreation-FollowOnTwitter 2 жыл бұрын

Love the editing in this episode man

@haruruben 2 жыл бұрын

The “real-time” episode concept- I think I’ve seen this done as a one-off before somewhere but I can’t place it. I believe it’s a fun concept if you did it as a special episode it would be kinda funny to see all the in-between bits. But as the whole series feels kinda rough

@machadofilm 2 ай бұрын

Bring it back!

@KillerMoth3 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for fixing the audio. Love your channel

@dimitreze 2 жыл бұрын

great video!

@oldradios09 5 ай бұрын

I recall this show being preempted a lot. But I’m going on memories from 20+ years ago.

@whodatninja439 2 жыл бұрын

i love your channel sm, each video is an event

@weegeemike 2 жыл бұрын

Love these Seinfeld curse files videos

@DwayneIsK1NG 2 жыл бұрын

Damn homie finally. I was waiting for the continuation on this one 😂

@Bongman42088 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for all that you do!

@JW666 2 жыл бұрын

To me the highlight, at least on season 1, was Peter Stormare as the weird swedish neighbour who had a crush on Ellie. I still remember the scene where he suddenly recite a swedish poetry in swedish (can't remember if it was that episode or Minority Report where I heard Stormare speak swedish for the first time). They actually showed the 1st season here in Sweden, but they never showed the 2nd season, which was good they didn't because I doubt I would have liked it anyway, especially since Stormare apparently didn't return.

@ScarysReviews Жыл бұрын

Wayne Knight was the most successful out of the bunch, not only was he doing well in 3rd rock from the sun, he was in JURASSIC PARK, did voice work for Tantar in Tarzan, Zuit in my favorite martian, and a few others, Jason Alexanda, voiced Abys Mal in Return of Jafar. Jerry has his Celebrities and coffee show. the others, well, Julia Louis Drefus had parts in movies before, and then, yea, not so much success after. Michael Richards, cameod in the flintstones movie, then yadda yadda yadda. Jerry Stiller did well also. also, the original actor for George's dad is in Christmas Vacation, along with Julia ;)

@Been.Here.Since.2007 11 ай бұрын

The new adventures of old Christine did really well. You forgot about that. VEEP went on forever. Julia didn't fail.

@gridiron8870 10 ай бұрын

I liked him in Space Jam.

@VinnieGer 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reupload! I remember the audio clipping out earlier.

@Euphoricbleeding 3 сағат бұрын

Just wanted to say I just found this channel and it’s good all around, content, production..good stuff

@EvilTwinsen 2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the curse of having played four of the most iconic characters in comedy history.

@maxxam3590 2 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! I've been waiting for this. What better way to spend the time I'm stuck in a train going back home from work than to watch this cool video? Reading a book? Talking to my wife? _Pfffft..._

@waytospergtherebro 2 жыл бұрын

Somehow, The New Adventures of Old Christine ran long enough for TV Land to run for hours on end. I've never made it through an entire episode but they always seem to spend most of their time standing in the hallway at a fancy restaurant in every one.

@langleymneely 2 жыл бұрын

Out of all the shows from the Seinfeld cast this was the best & most fleshed out imo. I actually enjoyed the real time concept, it was an interesting premise. Really it just became a testing ground for her more successful shows that came after.

@DougUnfunny 2 жыл бұрын

julia had great success with VEEP and is now in the MCU.

@davincent98 2 жыл бұрын

Along with her ex-husband Phil Coulson

@meligoth 2 жыл бұрын

VEEP should not have worked when burnout of many other politically charged shows like West Wing to The Newsroom was around at the same time. Maybe the success of Parks and Recreation prepared audiences for another quirky show involving politics rather than another drama.

@Champigne 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t need success when you have Seinfeld residuals from syndication.

@user-vi4xy1jw7e 2 жыл бұрын

She was gorgeous in this show. Damn!

@VenomousStare Жыл бұрын

The timer... what a brutal idea lol

@paintervision 2 жыл бұрын

I forgot all about the 22-minute gimmick. It would be great to see a video with more of these kinds of big swings at new formats, like when Joel Hodgkin did the TV Wheel for HBO or that weird Jingles show CBS had a few years back.

@sugreev2001 2 жыл бұрын

Finally! Has it been a year already between this and the last episode of the Seinfeld Curse?

@WaffleStomper69 2 жыл бұрын

Okay but New Adventures of Old Christine was actually pretty great. Not Seinfeld great, but I found it enjoyable for primetime sitcom.

@swettyspaghtti 2 жыл бұрын

great editing man. good vid !

@lastremain7867 2 жыл бұрын

your right about the show being ahead of its time, besides "Malcom in the middle" and "Scrubs" the format would soon be the norm in the future

@PlayboiPookie Жыл бұрын

Dude I was waiting on this vid so long and missed it

@DidYaServe 2 жыл бұрын

I never heard of this. Neither did I ever hear of Michael Richards' and Jason Alexander's post-Seinfeld shows. I guess they go down as oddities before most people had internet.

@TheImmortalLowlife 2 жыл бұрын

Finally, been waiting for this for so long! I love the Seinfeld curse series, but your whole channel warms me for some reason. You appreaciate the under-appreciatted.

@dannybursace9151 Жыл бұрын

The mid-to-late 90s and then early 00s gave us two independent, smart, funny, beautiful actresses with Julia Louise-Dreyfus & Patricia Heaton from Everyone Loves Raymond!

@Jays_dead_cat 2 ай бұрын

"We now return to Julie Louis Dreyfuss in Now Its Just Getting Sad"

@Jamietheroadrunner 2 ай бұрын

Julia had three hit sitcoms, the best of which was “Veep”. Veep took the unlikablilty of the Seinfeld cast to a whole new level with its characters and because it was so hilarious you didn’t care.

@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688 Жыл бұрын

PLEASE tell me the next episode in this series is about Duckman. That show was my jam back in the day. Also it would be a great topic for this kind of video. Super hard "could only exist in the 90's energy" coming off that show.

@gogousa6661 2 жыл бұрын

I gotta say Julia Louis Dreyfus + Steve Carell is something I can’t believe nobody is talking about. I need to watch this duo rn.

@heisensaul5538 2 жыл бұрын

This show actually seemed interesting and then they went and ruined it with a laugh track and turning it into just another sitcom.

@lorenzomagazzeni5425 2 жыл бұрын

Tell me about it, I loved it until they started with the canned laughter Ciao

@gorkmusic 2 жыл бұрын

New Adventures Of Old Christine and Veep were both huge hits. Julia definitely overcame the "curse".

@davidl570 Жыл бұрын

Yes...................after this show, though.

@SecondTake123 Жыл бұрын

Yes! Veep was great too!

@Beeznitchio 2 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of the old Norm Macdonald joke. "Such and such of Little Rascals fame died at the age of 93. The curse strikes again." Curb, The New Adventured of Old Christine, Veep all hits. Jason Alexander is better as part of an ensemble or secondary character and Richards, lol, he did it to himself.

@Athena_Light Ай бұрын

I think this is a great idea for a single ep for a character that is well established and liked

@37Kilo2 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine being born attractive, and to a family worth billions. Then star in a wildly popular TV show, earning millions. I'm ugly and poor, you figure I could at least have one or the other. "You'd think just once I could get a break!"