Have I Gone Far Enough With the 2019 KTM 300 TPI Torture Test?

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This is the 2019 KTM 300 XC-W TPI. The question I’m asking today is whether or not 123 -130 hours is enough for this long term test of the TPI system. Many are worried about oil pump failures which would cause the engine to seize up on a ride. While I’m sure that some people have had this issue, I haven’t. It’s hard to put that many hours on bikes when you only ride once per week and you split time on 7-8 bikes over the course of a year.
If I take the bike to 200 hours, will that prove anything that I haven’t already proven here?
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@jackbauer9347 4 жыл бұрын

Pop open the top end so that TPI haters can see it's fine. Then move on.

@timothystark5986 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, pull the top end off and inspect and put it on youtube, then send that poor thing down the road to someone who will make it pretty again!

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@painsrides3616 4 жыл бұрын

F pretty....I like it the way it is, like an enduro warrior ;)

@myridinglife7873 4 жыл бұрын

Take it over 150h and check the top end

@Jonnyca21 4 жыл бұрын

Time to send it down the road! Looks like a great test to me.

@evaneyeball7953 4 жыл бұрын

agreed i say take a look at the top end and send it down the road

@nostalgicbaainaar9751 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine that! Having too many bikes to put any decent hours on them...that's a problem I would love to have.😁

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

I hear you, but my livelihood and family are riding and depending on these business assets. That is what they are to me :) Got to keep testing new things all the time. If I only did one bike at a time and put 120 hours on each, it would be hard to show very many things, so I try to strike a balance.

@neumann534 4 жыл бұрын

@@DirtBikeChannel doing a good job at that

@prestonthomas9406 4 жыл бұрын

@@DirtBikeChannel Very professional videos, great stuff, wouldn't leave home without them. Keep it up.

@drewpknutz1410 4 жыл бұрын

@@DirtBikeChannel You have a family depending on your youtube channel? Dang dude, ya gotta keep a real job to provide for your family, I just assumed this was something to do for beer money.

@nostalgicbaainaar9751 4 жыл бұрын

@@DirtBikeChannel hey Kyle. I hope I didn't come across as being critical. Far from it. I was just expressing my jealousy of the life you lead. I am also passionate about dirt bikes...however I don't have the talent or wherewithal to do what you do, and if I did, I would drop what I do for a living and become an amazing content creator like yourself in a heartbeat. In the meantime, I will sit and enjoy living your life vicariously through the lens of your cameras. Keep up the great work bud.

@quikcolin 4 жыл бұрын

This is the perfect opportunity to open up the top end and see how the cylinder and piston look after 123 hours of hell. That would be a super interesting video!

@RobboRobinson 4 жыл бұрын

I work on these bike week in week out in the UK. I've seen a lot of things on TPi's mostly good. We recommend a piston, oil pump and tank filter change at 80hrs . Oil pump change is really precautionary but I've seen these things do 200hrs on the same oil pump and 150hrs on a piston and all was good. What I have see recently is the water temp sensor causing running issues as the hours racked up on a couple of bikes. A fairly low cost item and when we changed it all was good. One thing I change particularly if an engine has got really hot is the head o'rings. Any leakage at the head causing loss of compression can effect the running. Again a cheap easy job to do whilst carrying out a good bike service. Tell tale sign is loss of coolant. Good maintenance makes a bike run well. Good work Kyle ;-)

@Frank88Workz 4 жыл бұрын

If the water temps sensor fail, do you have a FI light of some kind to tell you that or you just have to test it if the bike runs weird ?

@TheFrog767 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative

@RobboRobinson 4 жыл бұрын

Frank88Workz bit of a weird one, you don’t get any fault codes on diagnostics . Nick who I work with tested a new one in the bike and it cured the irregular running. Similar thing happened with a crankcase pressure sensor too. That’s the rubber pipe you see coming from the base of the cylinder just above the inlet manifold. Sensor located under the 2stroke oil tank.

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@tysleight 4 жыл бұрын

Move on. Just give it to someone who is willing to give you updates

@2smoking.and.4stroking 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kyle. Enjoying all the new content. 100 hours is a good long term test. Haters gonna hate. Most non-racing owners don't put 100hours in on a season, especially in regions with winters. If a bike has been ridden hard and no major issues arise by 100h, that's a good measure of quality. The piston on my 2018 250xc at 100hr looked very good. New piston, new pipe, clean, teardown and grease. Making progress to 200h! Keep at it Kyle!

@lancelitwiller 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for all the great content Kyle. This probably won’t help with your decision but I’d just like to say that I live close by in Utah and I’ll be glad to put some more hours on that baby for you! I have 46 years experience riding off road if that means anything. 😃

@kylescherlinck1606 4 жыл бұрын

I've been following this for a bit and I think 120hours is pretty good for your channel. With that said, I am in the market for a bike in the next month or so and I have a couple dealerships near me battling on the best price for a leftover 19 and it is to the point pricewise where I want to pull the trigger cause it's too good to pass up. But coming from a 17xcw I'm worried about some of the issues with lubrication on starting and scoring the cylinder, so I am in the camp of wanting to see the cylinder and piston at this point. Love your content and keep it coming, thanks!

@Jags4don 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the testing.

@D-blaze 4 жыл бұрын

What do I got to do to join the sweepstakes? I'll ride that thing till the wheels fall off and document every bit of it! Love the content by the way. Keep doing your thing man.

@MarkJones-ew7gs 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Kyle , Looking around your great videos and wondering if you have a “tool Kit” video ? Or a video of what you carry with you on the trails as it pertains to tools. Value your feedback Thanks in advance !

@vtuy 4 жыл бұрын

Nice test on the bike itself. Still not sold on tpi yet. I would like to see few hundred hours .what is the durability of the extra electronics when riding mud and water on most rides?

@jasonstinemetz3788 4 жыл бұрын

Have a 3 bike give away for the first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good work Kyle, you have continued to put out for the people real results, keep it up and THANK YOU!!!! 120 hours just like you said!!!!

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@RUGGEDREPAIRS 4 жыл бұрын

Keep it going. I’ve got a 250sxf 2015 and it’s got 300 hours and it’s still goes hard. Keep the 300 let’s see where u get it ✊🤙

@Norcal2stroke 4 жыл бұрын

Yes time to move on. it would be great to have that bike in your giveaway too. keep up the great work Love the videos!!

@edpagel2375 4 жыл бұрын

Agree with tear down inspection! Compare to non TPI with similar hours, you’ll be the first!

@ericprovenzano4919 4 жыл бұрын

You did what you set out to prove... Give it away / sell it, your choice... time to move on. Thanks for the long term review, it just shows how well these bikes are built.

@TheJumpyPrawn 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely do a top end rebuild video, would be very interesting

@jefftuttle9530 4 жыл бұрын

really glad you did this thank you

@xyz782yzx4 4 жыл бұрын

I freakin love this channel!!!

@bitingdogg3236 4 жыл бұрын

Please keep riding it. It's starting to look like a regular dirtbike now. We could learn a lot seeing a real long term test, like 200-400 hours. A lot of folks are still on the fence about the durability of TPI. Your real world reviews carry a lot of weight

@glenmack3640 4 жыл бұрын

Be interesting to do a compression test on it & like the other comments to do a visual. It’s well past the “rebuild” target of 80hrs, so check it, then punt it- job done mate.

@nickbro9040 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely give it away. I'd love to have it!!

@te300rider6 4 жыл бұрын

That's plenty of hours. I would love to see what the inside looks like. Do a top end video so we can see how it held up on the inside and then give it away.

@susanbrown1286 4 жыл бұрын

I say give it away! I am eager to see you review other bikes, and then give those away!! ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼

@bonanzabiker 4 жыл бұрын

So true! A man can only so many hours on each sweatshirt and tee shirts before winning a bike! Lol

@christofonobrown3659 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, moveon.com. I appreciate you committing it to 100 hrs of hard use and you showed what you wanted to. I enjoy watching your reviews on the 20-40 hr mark. Feel free to use it for the raffle, just put the reminder in that it was used hard. Should an issue come up in the future that you would like to see an answer to, hope you are game for repeating the 100 hour review, just sparingly saved for interesting issues. Thanks again for doing this!

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@robvangeel1338 4 жыл бұрын

I think that you have done a great job already. You have put on more hours than you planned. Test complete. I was really waiting to hear your results. Give it away. It’s definitely not as nice as some of your other giveaway bikes but still an awesome bike to get for free... I have a question about the oil pump wake up plug. Did you or any of the riders use it at all after a good crash where the bike landed upside down? That procedure to bleed potential air out of the oil line doesn’t seem very realistic in a race situation...

@geetoo3024 4 жыл бұрын

When do you think you'd need a new top end?

@lucasnapier4181 4 жыл бұрын

Do you recommend the 2019 crf250rx for trail riding

@korearoughterrainchannel4104 3 жыл бұрын

Hi! What kind of gear oil do you use?

@SxSGetOut 4 жыл бұрын

Kyle I think you could totally put it in your giveaway. 130 hrs is more than enough if people want to put more hrs on it tell them to enter the contest. I'll still be entering no matter what

@shaybindoff1003 4 жыл бұрын

Send it to me in Australia I'll look after it for you 😂😉

@tylerwallis5961 4 жыл бұрын

ill do the life test for ya kyle!! ill even drive to you to get it

@bonanzabiker 4 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time putting enough hours on all my tee shirts and sweatshirts too! Lol Someday I'm going to get that phone call : ^ )

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

haha

@Big.Ron1 4 жыл бұрын

Well Kyle here is what you do. Let me know when is a good time to drive from Phoenix up there. I'll pick it up and ride it in the desert the next couple months until it gets too hot then I'll bring it back up. Maybe. Lol. At that point do what you want with it as far as repairs then put it in the giveaway. Or skip all that and give it to me. Ill fix it up over the summer then ride it again once it cools down. My birthday is the first part of May after all. Happy 61 to me! The "W" is my bike of choice anyway. Just my thoughts. :-) Be safe!

@northernlightse3066 4 жыл бұрын

I vote for an extended review that would represent the typical life of a viewers bike. Kicking them down the road might be the smartest thing but it wouldn’t answer or put to rest the one of the hugest hot button issues in motorcycling ever. How reliable are these TPI bikes. If you stop now, you leave questions on the table. If you went to 200 I think that would be a milestone that would satisfy even the most ardent TPI critic.

@ktm300tpiontour8 4 жыл бұрын

Roughly same hours on my 2019 tpi and no issues whatsoever, piston changed at 70hr and still looked new, oil pump swapped at 80hr, awesome bike imo 👌🏻

@mikemears5660 4 жыл бұрын

New top end and oil pump, make a video on it and then make it a rental bike for people to pay to come out and ride with you in Utah.

@kick8472 4 жыл бұрын

Like others have said, I too would like to see the top end off.

@michaelpionk175 4 жыл бұрын

I think you are good and have shown it is durable. Would love to have you test a Beta 250F RR for us shorter, older riders.

@dougeagan9123 4 жыл бұрын

What kind of 2 stroke oil do you run in your tpi bikes?

@alistairbalistair9596 3 жыл бұрын

please make a video of top end inspection

@janvalvoda7792 4 жыл бұрын

Which number plate is on that bike Is it ktm one or its aftermarket?

@reggieholguin7907 4 жыл бұрын

What kind of fuse blew out n you think the rider should carry xtra ? Also the fact that the oil pump on the tpi has and can go out is concerning, u think it's worth it ? Is there any warning that that the pump is out before the bike is blown?

@gavinb6300 4 жыл бұрын

That pipe is messed up🤣

@PatFarrellKTM 4 жыл бұрын

I redid the top end on my 300 XCW at about 140 hours. Right now, I have about 250 hours. I am sure I've put enough hours on it, I have a 2021 already on order for this August. I think you have done enough on your 19.

@youtubeaccount9058 4 жыл бұрын

How about getting one of those water pressure devices to push the dents out of the pipe and showing us if that works?

@quinnwarman5139 4 жыл бұрын

I would be interested in seeing you pull the piston out and see the wear on the inside

@brickman2767 4 жыл бұрын

Did you check if you’re fuze problems are started with the mounting box of the fuzes because I know that the 2015 factory had a recall on the mounting style because if it camd down too hard it would hit the frame and blow the fuze instantly

@suzuki06g 4 жыл бұрын

Enough is enough, you've tested it beyond what most magazines ever will. Matter of fact, you might as well let it go now and I'd even be willing to buy it "as is". Granted, its pretty well used up so you'd have to sell it to me at a greatly reduced price 😁 but hey, you've gotten your use out of it so now it's my turn! Just wondering though, after doing the "idle screw mod" what did you set the air screw to? Got my '18 250tpi a ½ turn out after that mod... and it seems fine.

@ass3atingmachine552 4 жыл бұрын

Hello can you please tell me what my first enduro bike should be. Im considering 125 2 stroke and 250 4 stroke

@tylerberry2476 4 жыл бұрын

I would like to see you keep the bike and push it to two hundred and more hours on it. Thanks for sharing everything on your channel!! Very cool !! 👍👍😎

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@richardhartley7094 4 жыл бұрын

Kyle why not keep riding it till it needs a piston would be interesting to see how many hours you get from one many thanks

@bboness713 4 жыл бұрын

I think you've taken it far enough. I would love to see you ride a 2018 on gas gas ec300

@prestonthomas9406 4 жыл бұрын

I have the exact same bike with the GET ECU and it starts with a short bump of the starter and then a 5 second bump. Starts almost every time hot or cod so I'm not sure what the issue is with yours not starting cold. Oh, and my stock hand guards broke the first time I laid it over. Replaced them and the hand guards with FLEXX guards and bars and they work great as does the GET ECU. Anyway, great videos, keep it up.

@beardman911 4 жыл бұрын

Do the top end on a video and give it away. Keep up the great work!!

@worowarszawa11 3 жыл бұрын

Does anybody know which bike I should get number plate from to replace 2020 xcw250 tpi front light?

@TheWabungus 4 жыл бұрын

Him: how long do i keep running it lol. Me hardly afording 2008 ktm 85sx : Ah yes , humor based on my suffering

@spforsupergringo1980 4 жыл бұрын

Have you replaced the oil pump during those hours

@apexslider1 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see how long it would go with proper maintenance and without opening the motor. However, being on the fence about getting a TPI bike, it would be interesting to see how the top end looks. Also, I would gladly pay to ship it out to Oregon and continue that climb to 200+ hours 😉

@hexhead5732 4 жыл бұрын

Want to see more of the Yamaha YZ 250 FX

@modestmoose83 4 жыл бұрын

Give it away with the understanding that the new owner provides updates so that way you can still see how it’s doing 2,3,400 hours etc. I live 10 minutes away from the awesome Bloomington trails you guys ride all the time, so I’d be more than willing taking it out there every week and report back to you. 😎

@joshuacorwin9626 4 жыл бұрын

I'll take it! I have a 2019 500 exc-f and this would give me the best of both worlds! Setup a top end video then put it to the sweeps.

@FiveOenduro 4 жыл бұрын

100+ hrs is plenty of time for a true review, add it to the sweepstakes!

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@piercer4882 4 жыл бұрын

It's would be nice to see a top end tear down to see if there is any unusual wear at the 100 hr mark.. how do you enter the sweep stakes? I would love to win a newer bike! My 2001 ktm 300 is a nice bike but who doesn't want a newer one!

@stoneyrice8500 4 жыл бұрын

Others have said this but I agree its a good idea. Ask the winner to give more updates as they put hours on. Then that info can be shared in future videos if it becomes applicable to that content.

@chickinsfly 4 жыл бұрын

Man I’d love to run this bike where I live. Or love to ride like Troy/Kennedy meadows in California!

@atvman09alec 4 жыл бұрын

I’d be just fine with getting the Ktm, 150 hours to 500 hours I would be happy asf and I’d get it up to 200 hours and let you know how it goes too

@ottoerola5839 4 жыл бұрын

can you ship bikes over seas?

@mitchellrainford8586 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see you go to a motocross track, just to see if your opinion has changed or something like that.

@AlexErnst83716 2 жыл бұрын

11/2021: Got 201hrs out of my 2019 te300i before doing a piston ("B") and oil pump. Cyl looked just fine, no ridge at top, no groves or anything, but orig piston was definitely sloppy in the bore and ring gap was at 0.5mm limit. Pre-rebuild compression ~135lb (stock head @2800MSL), oh yeah it was time. I will go 150hrs max in the future though based on how running performance dropped way off at ~180hrs... Had to put a CCP sensor in it at 70 hrs for it running inconsistently. By 180hrs it was starting to run oddly again mainly in midrange like the CCPS was bad again, mainly 4-stroking badly under mid-load up hills. That is what pushed me to finally do a piston. Low compression notwithstanding, I'm guessing there was so much blowby that it was causing bad info at the CCPS such that the ECU was thus commanding bad fueling-- I could have kept going more Hrs if it were carbed I suppose. So TPI is in a way making me do the right thing by not running a piston until it turns sideways in the bore! (Now 185lbs with RKTek mild compression upgrade insert for ID mountains, yet to see how it rides, but it sure is running nicely in the driveway...)

@greenskeeper1840 4 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, I would like to see some other bikes. I think I got the gist of the 19 300 TPI. Especially after reading some of the comments.

@MrJasonfromcanada 4 жыл бұрын

Id be curious what cylinder walls look like at 125hrs

@ryanoborn602 4 жыл бұрын

I agree to pull the top end and inspect, throw a fresh piston in, and send it down the road. Or, I am more than willing to ride it for you, then give it back with full report!! I even live close! Love the commentary. The bike looks like you have put a hard 123 hrs (probably harder than most who would have paid $10k for it). The only thing harder on it would be to throw a paddle tire on and head to the dunes. Sand riding seems to put the hardest hours on the motor.

@enduro-parts-aus 4 жыл бұрын

Like everyones said pull off the cylinder head and show us the wear , very interested to see this, i feel some tpis can just be lemons 🍋

@1MarkBevans 4 жыл бұрын

It’s up to you, only. I opened up my 2018 TPI bike last week and the damn thing looked great inside, perfect. So its totally up to you. The 18-19 TPI bikes are lasting “inside” as well as any carbed bike, for the average bike! Your call! It would be a great “give-away” bike IMHO

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@AlphaMindEmpire 4 жыл бұрын

i had a 2016 300 husky. i have got 160 hours on the Bike. now its time to switch on a 2020. i think its the best time to get a new bike with 120 hours. i hope you will come to erzberg. i whis you the best. Franz from Austria

@kingragnar423 4 жыл бұрын

That’s some pretty good hours for the bike. I don’t think you will find anything else that you don’t know already. Curious how the top end is doing. That would be interesting to see. Either way the bike will make a good home for someone when you’re done with it. I think a good video would be of when you’re shoring this bike back up for the give away. All the things that wore out, the overall total cost of maintenance.

@vngicho1985 4 жыл бұрын

will the giveaway be only for USA ?

@bryanha79 4 жыл бұрын

I am willing to take it to 200 hours if you need a volunteer. I live a few hours away in Steamboat Springs, CO and we have tons of great riding in my area. I just bought a 2020 300xc TPI and I have a lot of anxiety over the durability of the TPI system so I would like to see more of a long term test.

@SSYoung125 4 жыл бұрын

I'm okay with either option as long as I get a chance to ride it 😁

@-tyler- 4 жыл бұрын

You've done your due diligence. I'll take it off your hands 😊

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@DavidHalleen 4 жыл бұрын

You put it through the ringer, give it away and maybe try to get some updates to 200 hrs. I just picked up a 2020 250 xc-w, so I vote you move on to a long term test of the 2020 xcw since you always talk about how much you want one.

@bonanzabiker 4 жыл бұрын

Give it to torture test magazine (youtuber) to run it through some more paces.

@DirtByk 4 жыл бұрын

Miles Hankins I totally agree. He doesn’t have a bike right now and this would be a great collaboration between Torture Test Magazine and Dirt Bike Channel.

@Recedinghairline180 4 жыл бұрын

YES PLEASE DO THIS IMMEDIATELY! You have enough bikes, borrow him the bike and do a review afterwards!

@Cameron.Vincent 4 жыл бұрын

Yes that would be awesome @torturetestmagazine

@billybull7419 4 жыл бұрын

Ya give it to him. He'll put hours o it for sure

@randypullman1155 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah. I'd like to see the rumors put to rest about KTM being a parts buggy. Ride it hard and list the repairs man.

@dazaladz 4 жыл бұрын

Try hitting the button, leave it for 10-15seconds then try to start it With the choke/ cold start off (whatever it’s called) mine will start first try even in - temperatures (Celsius) with no choke but it’s hard to start with choke on

@adambatchelder4121 4 жыл бұрын

Just over 1230 hours on my 12 250xcw is that long enough?

@jaceabbott8635 4 жыл бұрын

I’m right up the rd I’ll put the hrs on it for you! 👍🏼 haha definitely give it away you have proven enough.

@outdoorohio6781 4 жыл бұрын

I think you should test out the new yz125x. Small bore time!

@tharun6052 4 жыл бұрын

Hello I am from India can I get any one of Your bike

@therandomchannel9812 4 жыл бұрын

Give it away, you’ve proven what you need to with it. Ride the other ones so we can get reviews on those ones....especially that yz250fx 😉

@dougeagan9123 4 жыл бұрын

Yes open up the top end!

@Lunaticstunter 4 жыл бұрын

Deffo pull top end of now , i wanna see the rings and piston blow by 😝

@mikelowry007 4 жыл бұрын

If i spent that much on a TPI, i would just change that oil pump every hundred or 120 hours anyway. I agree with the others, take a peek at the top end and give it to a friend like me. Lol Love the channel Kyle!!!!

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback

@k.snyder_812 4 жыл бұрын

You should do a video on how you got so many subscribers!!!

@jackbauer9347 4 жыл бұрын

Because he put it all on the line and poured everything he has into the channel. All that hard work and dedication is reflective of his number of subscribers.

@Anterisix 4 жыл бұрын

So I noticed you said that the 19 TPI system isn't as good as the 20 TPI system, is that the case even with the GET ECU?

@alang3991 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2019 that has had the GET ECU for the past 60 hours. It runs perfect. Best running bike I’ve ever had. Don’t know how it could run any better.

@justinfisher4496 4 жыл бұрын

Open up the top end and then give it away. But make sure the recipient gives you regular updates.

@sonofahyderite6855 4 жыл бұрын

You rode it long enough. Move on and give it away. You have beat it up enough. Thanks for the content. I found your channel after a coworker gave me two old dirt bikes, a Kawasaki kx250 1990 and 1986. (They are in great condition). I just got into dirt biking again after 10 years of school and mission. It is fun, but lots of the trails in Southern Arizona have been closed off by private land. I need to expand my trail areas. I would be interested to see the piston and rings of the bike. I would also be interested in your trail maps and how you found them. Thanks

@DirtBikeChannel 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the feedback