That's a good saying. Tbh I knew it wasn't going to be a good outcome, we would already know if her remains were true and found. It still reveals an interesting outcome hiding its own little detective story, why did they say it was Joan's remains etc

> HOW DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE,,,,CHECK WITH KZfaq ???????

@@jamesanonymous2343 truth tends to reveal itself over a period of time to those who pay attention.

try telling that to all of tRUMP's scarecrow followers

Her hearing voices and music are typical of auditory epilepsy. With the possible addition of schizophrenia. Also a brain tumour could trigger these kinds of hallucinations. Most brain tumours occur in children fifteen and younger or the elderly. Therefore she was at the right age since reports are that she had experienced these auditory symptoms from a young age. In the seventies a physician reviewing the notes of her pre-immolation exam (because if she were pregnant she couldn't be executed) felt that she was actually a male. That went over about as well as any scientific review of her eymptoms. And why anybody could be confused as to who would fake her relics-it was big business back then.

Typical of all leaders u do the dirty work but u shouldn't grow bigger than I ur master lest u bring me down as well.. look up the King of France vs Teh Knights Templar

Not that unusual for world leaders to be dumb enough to believe a 16 year old girl. After all Greta Thunberg managed to fool a lot of adults didn't she?

@@senyongaeric1948 Philip IV was in debt to the Knights Templar - he owed them a fortune. Pope Clement was pro-French and had moved the papacy to Avignon and, with the demise of the crusades, there was no need for a special military arm to both fight and protect pilgrims. Then there was the vast wealth of the Templars which Philip IV couldn’t resist. So Philip sent orders that all Templar groups should be arrested simultaneously around the world - some complied, some didn’t. Edward II of England obeyed his father in law as far as getting his hands on the loot - but didn’t believe the bizarre charges against them so didn’t impose the same horrendous treatment as was meted out to Templars in France. So 1312 saw the Templars destroyed - without Philip getting his hands on the loot which had been spirited away - Grand Master Jacque de Molay issued a curse as he was about to be burnt which saw both Philip IV and Pope Clement dead within the year and we were left with the superstition about unlucky Friday 13th.

@@susanohnhaus611If she was delusional, which I am prepared to believe, it is remarkable what she actually achieved. There has to be more to the story. How was a schizophrenic young girl able to assemble and effectively lead a medieval army on a victorious campaign?

Makes me certain she was mentally ill. Today she would have been sectioned. put into a facility where they use plastic forks and you visit once a month. Absolute nutter. She knew nothing about war or strategy. She almost got herself killed on several occasions due to just being unaware of her surroundings and carelessness.

Or that she truly believed in what she experienced. But she was likely schizophrenic according to forensic psychology.

She was a witch, Jesus. What are you gunna do? Let her roam at will?

​@@frompapertopeoplepodcast4889I was about to say that. And as a schizophrenic myself, I understand that level of conviction. I'm just very fortunate I've managed to keep it, well managed

largest genocide EVER - was not Jews, Native Americans, - BUT females - look into it Donna Reed's Documentary - The Burning Times - this genocide lasted for centuries - sometimes every female in a village was killed - including baby girls- i guess it isn't any different today - think about all the baby Chinese girls

19:32 the best part is a couple seconds before that point. Where he smells/ detects a “particular” smell. Evidence that the 600 year old bones are “old” in his words. That part was incredible. 😂, they are actually getting out of topics and it does banalise scientific work in a world where more and more people each day see it as something that anybody without any particular knowledge can do. To put that guy to determine something like that with his nose would only strengthen the Tiktok university argument, that science is a lie and all that. Very poor taste for a scientist to do such a thing

@@feliperea3271 I think perhaps he was trying to con us,because some preserved saints bodies have the odour of sanctity or so we are told,they smell of some drug or poison. I just can't recall its name I'm 90 years old,same poison as in a peach stone,can anyone Help! Oh just thought of it Cyanide. Some saints incorruptible bodies smell of cyanide, or so we are told

I read “if you torture the results enough, they will confess”, meaning you can make the results agree with your hypothesis if you manipulate it enough. I’m so happy this man was true to the actual results!

Everyone loves Joan of Arc, but that french soldiers were willing to serve under her command speaks volumes about the french people.

And all Christians!

@@seankennedy1377 much like Jesus, religious people killed Joan.

@@ocumstweezers u have really 0 understanding of history. that was very common back in the 1400s life expectancy wasnt much longer than 30 back then. by 16 most peasants were family leaders military leaders king councils owners of vast lands lords and everything else. this wasnt exclusive to french.

@@mattx9260religious people kill everyone

Came to say the same thing

No they said on jar lid that the remains was found below the fire with ashes on the 3rd burning attempt think they were taken by ordinary folk for luck.

So its all a lie she was a liar never heàrd voices,was supposed to be burned at the stake but evidently didn't or she couldn't be identify. I think less of her if she let sone other girl take her punidhmentu

No they were given the remains of an Egyptian mummy and its mummified cat,that had been founding the 18 the century or so,and passed them off as relics the soot on the bones was the remains of the embalming fluid. Out of decency the remains should be returned to Egypt where the person lived and died

@@laurielovett8849 no such thing was said or implied. All that was proven that the remains in those jars were not hers. Her true remains, if they haven't decomposed or washed out to sea, still lay at the bottom of the river. There is no possibility that some other girl was burned in her place. The judges and prosecutors, who wanted her dead and knew her face, witnessed the execution. They would all be familiar with the legend of St. Stephen. They would have wanted to be sure that there was no possibility of such a thing appearing to recur.

Or.....yet another example of an idiot who claimed to know the will of a made-up fairytale character, and used this certainty to justify the slaughter of thousands...

After the first immolation of Saint Joan by the Burgundian Church, her heart remained unburned, incorruptible. A miracle. And yet they continued to destroy what was left. They knew already it was a holy relic and still destroyed it. Pure evil. Disgraceful.

@@disideratum The French Revolution was also evil. sending children, families including their dogs to the guillotine. Insanity.

Joan's trial was one of the dirtiest and most corrupt in European history. It was so egregious that once the war was over, in 1453, the Church nullified it within two years. The same Church that took nearly 400 years to apologize for what it had done to Galileo. Full disclosure: I'm a member of that Church, and am quite prepared to acknowledge its mistakes. Over the course of 2,000 years, they are inevitable and many. But I do ask that people also remember the 2,000 years of charity hospitals, schools, and caring for the poor. Indeed, the Dickensian poor did not really exist in England until after the monasteries were dissolved and no one else stepped up to care for them.

@@shane99ca Corrupt individuals can't ruin the goodness of the Church. Those few went against the principles of those they were supposed to be in service of and ultimately Christ Himself.

@@disideratum Isn't that essentially what I said in my second paragraph?

Ah, but these are 'holy' bones! 😉

Like anything else, how well anything gets done depends on who, how, where, and what is invested for 100% completion. Perhaps they ran out of wood.

Everything back then was scooped up, locked up in a box with a cross engraved on it and considered holy!... 😂

@@Allannah_Of_Rome Except she was burned as a heretic…

@@allangibson8494 - and later declared a saint by the same organization.

how did you not know that? you seem to be from an english speaking country, so you must have gone to school?

@@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970I went to catholic high school and we didn’t learn much about her, or the stories of many other saints. It’s fine with me because I’m not religious, so I’m glad I learned about her later on my own, in a historical context.

@@PeachysMom Joan is important as an example of how the Church treats women who are folk heroes... the Patriarchy eh? ☹

You gotta learn somewhere! 😊

​@@pippah447 Just stop with the modern feminist injections. St Joan was better than all of us.

Not for the first time a military commander was abandoned after successfully winning a war. Being that she was a female has nothing to do with it. Kings have done this since forever when they think someone may be a future contender and a threat to them whether that person was male or female is irrelevant. So stop trying to turn this into a man hating woman victim scenario

I'm trying to figure out if this is a good or bad thing

This isn’t a patriarchy thing. Stop trying to make everything a feminist manifesto. She was likely a mentallybill young woman who did remarkable things and then died for them.

​@@codename495You must be a man to think that. History shows that her being female - dressing as a male and doing male things is what made it possible and easier for them to say it was Satan she was hearing.

Nah, she was either crazy or a liar

Yes but the Church was part of putting her to the stake to be burned so they wouldn't want them if they were actually hers.

there was a you tube article on joan's bones; turned out to be parts of an egyptian mummy and what bones there were were so burned no dna could be extraced

Very Eloquently Said. ❤

Dauphin.

Dolphin

@@sodthatlikebutton1946 Dolphin? I hope you're joking.

Lesser Magik and all of that , huh ? Interesting thoughts

And I hear she's married to Adolph Hitler.

A body is full of water...does not burn fast!

Don't they use has now n it's hot like oxycetalene so don't take long either

supposedly, the germans were somehow able to cremate millions of bodies in less than 30 minutes each.

Humans aren’t very flammable - the average human female today will probably have about 50 kilos (about 14 Imperial Gallons) of WATER dispersed throughout her tissues. In order for a body to burn to ashes, all of that water must evaporate. Edit: Grammar

If the statue survived untouched people would have found it equally creepy.

So once again Joan of Arc was burned by a Catholic Church ..? That _is_ creepy .

@@Edam-Channel ONLY if it would have been the only one untouched. If it had been amongst all the other untouched statues, then no. In this case, if hers was the only one burnt then yes, it is indeed rightfully creepy.

@@Edam-ChannelY'mean because of the statues tooth gap and unibrow ? Ya true it was rather oooky

Paintings of her are bound to burst into flames at some point.

who refused to pay Gille DeRais

Reason being that Joan was a substitute sacrificial victim. Read Margaret Murray's book 'The Divine King in England'.

Georges de Tremoilles and his coterie were a very bad influence on Charles. That's why Yolande conspired with Arthur to get rid of them.

I think Joan of Arc may have been very big. That’s why she could be a warrior and men were willing to follow her. The fact that they had to burn her three times lends credence to this idea.

@@mdeeaonetwothree5162 No. It's because they were trying to destroy her body completely with nothing left for anyone to save. It's not about the size of the body. Even if she was large for a woman, like a man's size, that still wouldn't require three burnings. Men weren't burned three times.

For the same reason Sadam Hussein's body has been hidden and its gravesite has not been revealed. The more you let for people go to or keep, the tomb or rests of someone who holding religious power, was killed because it was inconvenient for the political and religious status quo, the more increased the faith of their followers grows and multiplies (ahem, ahem, ahem Jesussss ahem for ahem instance atheeeeem).

Burning at the stake usually didn’t totally consume a body. Even cremations today require breaking up of the larger bone chunks.

oh the irony ... MURDERED by the cult of catholics, then hundreds of years later made a saint in the cult that killed her

Continues to mystify , mystery

Is it possible she was really a young boy dressed as a woman and she confessed that to the D auphin and that's how she persuaded him to ride into battle? A stretch I know.

@@jackiemack8653 More than a stretch, considering, you know, history.

Agreed, and cats became ‘evil’ because they wouldn’t blindly obey.

@@DeidreL9 - just like women.😂

Ggggggoooo cats!

Thank you for that little bit of extra information. My information on Joan of Arc is mostly learned from the play Saint Joan of Arc by George Bernard Shaw. A wonderful play which we studied in High School.

@@TheSeedpearl Good play, bad history. Better than the film "the Messenger" which denied she had a message and invented her sister's rape by English marauders to motivate her, contrary to legal testimonies on her upbringing that agreed that her townsfolk were not harmed during her early life. Shaw's friend and critic G.K. Chesterton commented that it makes no sense for a "skeptic" to: "take up a supernatural story that may have some foundation, and replace it with a natural story with no foundation."🧐

@@RexKochanski very interesting input from you. I don't think I saw the movie. But i do pick up information on Joan of Arc whenever I see something published.. or if someone has something to comment about. I know movies and TV shows are usually sensationalized.

You should read up a bit more on Joan of Arc. You say heroic, I say reckless. Completely disconnected from reality, unaware of happenings going on in her direct vicinity. If it hadn’t been for Giles de Rais, she would have met her end very early on into her campaign from sheer carelessness.

However…she was done dirty by her pretender sovereign.

She was not. I'm not going to convince you, but please do some research there is a lot of documentation about her. She was not mentally unhinged. She was a true Mystic with the ability to predict so many catastrophic and triumphant events. She recognized key figures without having never met them before Above all she was pure, obedient, faithful, having not benefited from all of her accomplishments. Did you know the tower where she was held -that awful place -is still standing today? At one point She threw herself from the top trying to free herself from the worms, who fabricated a case against her. Less than 30 years after her death, the authorities admittedi she had never done any wrong, no blasphemy, no lies, no sorcery. Her own mother asked that her name be cleared from the slander. Even during her interrogations/trial she warned those who were fabricating all of those lies against her that thry were damming their own souls... unfortunately, as it's the case today, some of those corrupt accusers were clerics.

@@VynylFantasyI have read the major works about her from French historians in the original language, read ridiculous amounts of her trial, AND been to Rouen, Orleans, Tours, and the chapel she prayed at in Paris before her attack, and your third sentence is absolutely a judgment and opinion you have and pretty fallacious. The fact is that no one to this day can explain many of the knowledge she had at such a young age, as well as her inexplicable conviction and courage, not to mention like she, a woman (and therefore regarded as inferior to men back then), was able to convince the most arrogant of knights and lead them into battle, and the King himself (discarding all this as mere superstitions from their part is nonsense as there were PLENTY of men and women claiming to be sent from God back then, a fact that actually made it even harder for her to be taken seriously - read Beaune’s book on her for this). Portraying her like some goof out of Bellevue pretending to be a messiah is, to be frank, quite biased of you and the easy way out to explain the supernatural. The world simply has not seen anyone like her since and there have been plenty of unhinged people with even more opportunities for glory or whatnot to match her exploits and here we are, still talking about her uniqueness 800 years later. I invite you read Pernaud’s and also Gallo’s works on her in addition to Beaume’s.

There is more evidence to suggest she wasn’t unhinged (witnesses etc. reporting on her uncanny knowledge of things otherwise unknown to her etc.) than to suggest she was. Please read my reply to another person on this post. “She was crazy” is an absolute oversimplification, and a “way out” of the discussion, to discard the large amount of unexplainable occurrences, especially given the historical context. It reminds me of psychologists and other doctors who, when confronted with cases of children who appear possessed and speak latin fluently, are quick to point out they must have been exposed to it by TV or radio, just to later find out the family leaves in some field with no electricity and born of uneducated parents.

I thought about this, too. Researching living relatives is normally a great option in modern times. But not so much with Joan. How do we find her aunts and uncles?

@@FreezeDriedIceCreamPrepper Well, her Aunts and Uncles would be dead now. She would have many distant cousins, though, and she may have many-greats nieces and nephews, descended from her sisters and brothers if she had any.

exactly that, well spotted.

Not all records were destroyed during the revolution, not by a long shot. We’ve been able to trace our French ancestry back to the beginnings of the Huguenot religious movement in the 16th century - and find living relatives in France and the USA via DNA databases.

@@RuthZeeckyes so true. You posted great info

It's history of a woman who used religion to make others follower her and I turn religious leader used her mental health issues to their advantage.😮

That is what leaders do, be they kings or presidents!

Horses ? Nothing too complicated here.

@maryearll3359 duh! Chain of custody is what I'm talking about - the people/ownership pathway between Rouen and the apothecary (chemist) in Paris in whose attic they were "found". That just wasn't even eluded/alluded to in any way. Yes - duh, absence of such paperwork would be a sure sign of a fake. BUT in huge social conflicts - like, oh, I dunno - a Revolution - well, such paperwork has a habit of becoming lost. So the absence of such paperwork isn't necessarily a sign that something's not the real McCoy.

Kembar there are a number of contradictions in this video. Very sloppy presentation.

after so many years you can't find a reiabel descendant dna match anyway.. try doing geneology research and see how it all turns to mush since the wars destroy records and people lie about who fathered their babies.

TY

Actually, there were at least three scientifically plausible explanations of why the bones would not show the burn results they expected even if they had been cremated; therefore, more tests were needed before these could be truly excluded as Not Joan's.

@@CelticBearWoman i think that the fact there was no carbon found on the bones sealed the deal already.

There are plenty of explanations how that exactly happened! Fascinating indeed.

As Dr Helen Castor pointed out in her BBC documentary about Jehanne, in those days it was an accepted fact that Churchmen, mystics or visionaries heard 'real' spiritual voices, the problem was how to determine whether they were the voices of Angels or of Demons. As to the audience with the Dauphin, it's pretty clear there were political forces at work either supporting or simply using Jehanne - she was accompanied to Chinon by a group of men who included a Royal Herald, she was escorted into the Dauphin's court by at least one prominent members of that court and there had been rumours circulating for months about a prophesied arrival of a 'maid from Lorraine' who would save France. Additionally, by the time Jehanne turned up, Charles was _desperate,_ the French army was broken and demoralized having lost every major encounter with the English for _years_ and Dr Castor's suggestion is he was willing to try *anything* to claw back some victory.

She was super cute so it makes sense

kings get desperate too, and syffillis does weird things to the brain..

Nice!

Most documentaries end up that way, or inconclusive.

Y porqué hay que traducir al anglosajón?el anglosajón NO 👎 tiene nada de la gracia necesaria para hacer traducciones, en cambio el FRANCÉS es completamente válido para hacerse entender mundialmente 😅

Nope.. they couldn't accept the fact a woman can do all that work on her own, and must be in league with the devil

Yes, that's right.

They would not have to be direct descendants to find matching DNA. There are living descendants today of at least one of her brothers.

They would use genetic genealogy to attempt to find distant ancestors

Very easily - Joan wasn't an only child, and you don't need an _absolute_ direct descendant to get a match. I think even a cousin's direct descendant might be enough in some cases....

John d'arc lol

What an uneducated question.

My father was cremated and when his remains were delivered to us there were numerous small bones remaining.

It's a good story. Close out by listening to the omd song

Because intelligent people are curious about the process of determining the conclusion. In other words...the evidence and how it was processed to make the conclusion. Those that want to be spoonfed are prime candidates for believing lies and propaganda. AKA shallow thinkers.

ah, you have spotted the narcissist.. well done.

The point of the video was trying to determine if those remains were hers, not to explore the details of the trial. I'm sure there are other videos detailing that.

Well then I have to nominate you for an award!! You have won the internet for the day! Thank you!!!!! I’ll go find another cool documentary..

Oh, I am so shocked!!!

@@jomomma1512 One of my irritations w/these kind of "documentaries" is that to fill an hour's worth of run time they think we need the person's ENTIRE life story, which, duh, we all already know all about from going to school, rather than just presenting the new information and getting to the point. You're welcome.

We all knew that. It would've been announced if they had proven to be her remains. None of that takes away from the fascinating exploration of just HOW this kind of investigation is done. It's something we would not see or learn about otherwise, unless we're studying in any of those fields. But if someone's only here for sensationalism, well, that's their problem.

Now the bad news... by clicking and posting a comment we gave those useless ah what they wanted.

undeserving? Why is that ?

Myth and legend. Not possible by the laws of physics.

@@junepearl7993because weird things never happened? Do you believe the laws of physics are immutable laws laid down by a Devine creator Or that they are a description of how things act most of the time? Because science says they are the latter. Strange unexplained phenomena happen it’s just reality

I am certain most of these tests were being done simultaneously, but the documentary is in a story telling mode, one at a time.

Why? Carbon 14 tests, or any tests depending on molecular decay, are guesses anyway. Can anyone be 100% certain the decay rate has remained constant for the entire history of the planet? Not unless they were there in the beginning.

Are you aware that forensic pathology as a field of intense study isn’t always easy to get money for studies? Like out of pocket doesn’t look cheap for equipment lol

Yes, we knew that going in, but thanks for your effort to be "the guy that blows it all wide open."

@@hodgeelmwood8677hee hee

Thanks, I hate wasting my time.

And to manage such an impossible task with a chimney that isn't even attached to the building ,no less ! They were just _that_ evil , you see ; so evil they appeared almost magical ! How on Earth did they even find the time to do all of that - yet still manage to shrink all of those heads - fabricate rollercoasters during metal shortages - fabricate electrified steel flooring during a metal shortage - dry , stretch and sew all of those lampshades - etc etc it just beggars belief ! What industriously evil people they were .

Half a ton of wood is not that much - an 8x4 foot trailer-load in fact. The 5 hours might be right, depending on your definition of "cremate". The purpose of most of the medieval burnings was to _kill_ the victim, not to cremate them. To kill the victim in the most painful way possible so that onlookers knew that whatever the victim had done it was really not a good idea to emulate them.

She was never the patron saint of England, who won a pyric victory...

Oh yes? What king is that? A Saxon?

@@captainhoratiobungleiii7147 Chuck Mangioni -- Sausage King of Chicago .

@@captainhoratiobungleiii7147 an Anglo Saxon King. A man who became a mythical legend…

Possibly*, a part of Henry II, lies forgotten in a church near Lewes. I have no doubt that other, very old Anglo-Saxon kings are also in the same place.

@@thelostlegendsoflewesandhamsey that would be interesting to research, indeed! Offa was buried near where I am from. They had great burial customs. Until they went Christian and got rid of the grave goods.

Things buried without oxygen tend to last a very long time without corruption and deterioration .

@Chrisgriffith, it's like the Shroud of Turin. It was first "discovered" in 1354 or 1,321 years after Jesus was allegedly crucified. Yet Christians will still insist it is the burial shroud of Jesus. Now the way Christians are when it comes to holy relics, you know they would have paraded the shroud around long before 1354. Some of my other favorites. The Sea of Galilee water level went down due to a drought and it uncovered a small boat from 1 CE. Right off the bat, Christians claimed it was the boat Jesus was in when he walked on water. They found a comb for a female in a house in a city the "virgin" Mary use to live in. Again, Christians claimed it was the house Mary, Joseph and Jesus lived in based on that one comb. Like Mary was the only woman living in the city. Then there is the church in Ethiopia that claims to have the Arc of the Covenant. Yet no one is allowed to see it. The Catholic church claims to have the foreskin of Jesus from his circumcision. In 3,4,5 different churches at the same time.

​@@samuelschick8813He did not say that, that is y o u r words. He just stated an archeological fact.

Did you not watch the whole video? These pieces were said to be taken from below where she was burned. Not in the river...

@@samuelschick8813 But how many were as famous ? Obviously some seriously creepy historical equivalent to a redditor was scrapbooking at the cremation pyres , et , VOILA !

He could have been obsessed with death and went on a nice little bike ride to the cemetery and dug up someone’s nan, he tells everyone it’s just archeology😂 No one would suspect a ten year old lad of grace robbing What was you doing at ten?😂I was obsessed with history but I wasn’t finding skulls, I was playing with my wwe figures and picking my nose 😂

You want a skull ? I can get you a skull , believe me ... there are ways, dude- you don't wanna know about it believe me ... Hell I can get you a skull by 3 o'clock this afternoon - _with_ lipstick dude..!

It's sayys the skull was 1300 years old. So a cemetery I guess? 🤷🏻‍♀️

It said in the video he found it on a visit to Pompeii when he was a 7year-old. Given his apparent age that would put the visit around the year 2000. I'm confident the curators of the Pompeii site at that time were not handing out 'free skulls' to every visitor who wanted one, but I suppose he _could_ have found something, stuffed it in a backpack and walked out without being detected... If the story is true, then it is blatant theft and destruction of historical artifacts since as the whole area has been a National Park since 1995 and is an UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Who really cares...

What reports are these? Are they all very accurate? So be very careful and sure about which u write, because death 💀 is a very horrible situation for anyone who is burnt at the stake, be it woman 👩 or man 👨, the onlyconsulta is that, for a Catholic, the person who suffers gains everlasting merit to ascend into heaven