Yeah it's weird how everyone focuses on the aspect of him being gay, to me the most powerful line that he says is What does it mean to be a guy? What does it mean to be manly? Because really embodies almost all his points

the truth thanks to those same labels, there is a lot of maleness. because there are those who believe that women should be cooking and must be tightly raised and with children. And I say, whoever wants to, if you are a man and you like to sew, do it. If you want to be a police officer and you are a woman, do it. for no one says that it is "feminine" and that it is "masculine". Since it is not good to live on labels. But how society will not change. People will continue to live in hell. It is one of the reasons why, as a woman, I quit sewing.

True enough. I’m a guy that enjoys gardening and crafts yet many people have always made fun of me for that. Like, what the hell is wrong with liking flowers? It’s a part of biology! What’s wrong with liking to decorate baskets or sewing a quilt? I could really use one to choke the life out of you.

Basically, typical stereotypes (why did we even invent them I have no idea). Now because of these society thinks one precise thing about something and when it doesn't go as they want they go for the option that you're different and weird. So, what do they do? Accept for who you are? Nuh-uh. They think of you as a joke of nature and someone that isn't something.

I was waiting for someone to comment on that, I feel this pressure cuz I don’t look manly and when I try to nobody takes me seriously

Kanji is bisexual and his feeling of girls calling him queer makes him insecure with his masculinity this persona is mostly about that but you can not also deny the fact that this dungeon heavily implies he himself has at least some homosexual feelings. If you do you are blatantly ignoring facts

@@user-mv3xz1ki2c yes, the bathhouse has heavily gay overtones. _That's the joke._ Kanji has to hide facets of his personality *because society deems that only gay men would like flowers and knitting.* Not only did the joke fly over your head it boomeranged back and hit you in the face.

milkinaction in the end of his social link it said that his shadow is him

milkinaction also the flower is a reference to shoujo manga. In shoujo manga flowers represent love. Anyways it’s also used a lot in yaoi

Shadow kanji did show the effect of toxic masculinity. He was traumatised by the girl talking behind his back for his sewing hobby. Thus his subconscious ponder if a man will accept him. Ppl often overlook this and focus on gay symbolism of him while kanji himself still attracted to naoto knowing her real gender.

Tyrique Coleman the shadows are supposed to make sense. It's the "truth" about people that they can't deny

Tyrique Coleman Wait hold on so what was kanji's shadow saying? That chicks were basically giving him a hard time about his personal hobbies and likes so he should probably be homosexual?

Chad Saturday He's a guy with "girly" hobbies which girls reject and call him gay for and guys don't really understand. This is why he overcompensates by being rough to the point that guys are scared of him (like the dudes who commented about him at school) but in reality, he doesn't really understand what being a guy is supposed to be like. So both genders reject him. He just seeks acceptance of who he is, a guy who likes art and sewing. People often misinterpret this as a sign of homosexuality which is what Kanji mistakes as something he has but all he wants is to expose himself and be accepted (which is why the shadow's in his undergarments"

IT'S STILL SYMBOLIC...

Aaaaahhh~ (Sice you know heiss gay) Eeeeeewwww....

He likes cute stuff The end

He was still attracted to Naoto even after it was revealed she was pretending to be a guy, but as Kanji stated, he was well aware of his sexual identity but he was worried about being judged by his peers.

And then Kanji got a Persona. “Hell yeah!” ...Too bad you’ll never use him during battle. “Aw man.”

And when he said “deep”

Hey now..... 😏🌝

Mu91c14n Doesn't all the shadows

Wow, not at all, and even if can't coup with some minor BS, you shouldn't be looking for a partner to begin with

f45411 It wasn't about coup, it was about being accepted.

***** he would've been accepted if he didn't put unnessesary preseure on himself also, women aren't as bad as some would try and desribe, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a utter whiny bitch and a real woman, if he can't get that concept, i don't know what to say

f45411 First of all you sound like a narrow minded person, just because you believe that someone should act one way doesn't mean that they will. Second you seem to fail to understand that he was being bullied by the girls he know, and naturally that would disencourage him to socialise with more girls, and create some sort of dislike to them which is his Shadow.

+Liam Canney I think it has nothing to do with sexuality at all, I think it's more just him being accepted by anyone, anywhere. He's a guy who's into what's considered feminine activities, but he himself doesn't like acting that way. This way, he doesn't really fit in with the girls because they called him weird and stuff like that. He fits in slightly better with guys, but because of his tough guy attitude, he doesn't really fit in anywhere. Therefore, he wants to be accepted by any person, male or female. Not necessarily in a sexual way.

Can we please leave social justice out of persona please? Thanks! :D

Great loser loser. LMFAO.

pitiful comeback

did you just find out you were adopted or something?

IIIIIITTTSSSSSS SSSSYYYYYYYMMMMMBBBBBOOOOOOLLLLLIIIIICCCCC!!!!!

Xaveze you know, 'cause he's gay

AAAAAHHHHHHHH...!

EWWW!

Caw

I AM THOU I AM THOU I AM THOU I AM THOU

...

Yonaka Kurai "THERE!"

Me too.

It's so satisfying when she goes: "I am thou.... THERE!" WHY IS IT SO SATISFYING

I am thou BEAR!

caught simpin

@@reconjosh1517 *looking around* "fuck bros how do I tell him I'm gay?"

@@juanpablorobayo9891 you have 7 days to figure that out

@@juanpablorobayo9891 punch your shadow

Mindy Sakaki the boss fight is designed like that.

Just Like The Anime

Just Like In Real Life

Well boys with there masculinity While girls found it too weird and odd

Keyword:toxic masculinity.

Yes. Into *submission.* ;)

Most gay people actually have to do that

Wait isn't yosuke gay too Why did they not give yosuke a romance option I don't even have this game oof

Let us best that rubbish gay clone into *submission*

the biggest r/wooooooosh

Teddie Was i suppossed to laugh?

Teddie: Yoskue's Poisoned! Me: (Quickly Gives Yoskue All Of Springtrap's Skills, Then Yoskue Uses Dispel Dance) Dispel Dance (50 MP): Removes All Negative Status Effects (Excluding Debuffs)

DAMMIT TEDDIE! NOT THE TIME, HEE-HO!

Really Teddie

Chie-Chan is really pissed off

Melissa Kline He sounds like Amane

@@mechamicro lol nop

Lol, hearing Shadow Kanji makes me think of Saints Row 4

Shadow Kanji is more suited to P5's weird and wonderful dark story haha

MoviesNGames007uk Not really, persona 4 is about identity and acceptation this is perfectly suited for kanji, who struggles about his sexuality and masculinity. p5 is more about rebellion & society, the themes of p5 don't fit with the kanji's arc, and Persona 2-3 story are way darker than p5. Persona 4 story has also a weird vibe like p5

Toxic femininity

You should never ever be scared , in any form of life, of who you wish to be or what you want to be.

I can't believe I never noticed that before...

Time fuz your frizzy fur.

@@metalblade8986 the reason he is written like that is localization and that in JPN he has a verbal tic that he says -kuma at the end of every line. For ENG they changed that for bear puns.

Yes

No one will ever know. if at least Teddie give us a hint...

Lyelo Fallcrest poor yuu and yosuke get poisoned?!

Probably from that "Mystery Food X"...oh wait, that's later in the game. xD

Lye lo Fallcrest

Yeah kanji and joel from the last of us have the same VA

Troy Baker

we won't be invisible we won't be denied STILL.

Oh my that's perfect!

Get. Out. That pun, two times over, is not allowed.

Nice. 👍🏾

3 or 4

Play 4 if you want gameplay more and a happier theme, its better for first timers, if you like that then play P3P, not P3.

P3FES or P4G for bigginers if ur a JRPG fan P2 innocent sin and P2 eternal punishment is for u

Harry Potter no way, P2 is completely different, also the random encounter may get annoying, personally its only for the characters and story, so try to play it on easy, but never play P1, ever.

The Bright Cube P1 is more grindier than P2 and i love P2 EP

-You Guys, everyone at school makes fun of me because i like -WOMEN

It’s still symbolic AAAAAAAH! You know because he’s gay Ya get it

Michael Pagnotta Sixty Nine like XD

@@barbatosdiablosrex Except he isnt gay. And everyone who is mature would get the fact that he isn't gay. Which is the deepest part of this game because multiple people perceived him to be so which led to Kanji's confusion creating this Shadow. Everyone in the comment's section sees him that way, they are apart of the problem.

Rex4Smash I know that it’s a joke from the comic dub As a matter of fact I love Kanji he is the best character and a true man

And it's so satisfying to me when she says, "I am thou..... *there!* "

The Emperor she's says I am now there!

Katie Sandow no she doesnt

Katie Sandow I thought so too, before hearing the truth

THERE!

Most likely.

His attraction to Naoto is something I'd put down to the relationship that develops over time, mostly from seeing how it's dealt with the anime: when they first meet and Naoto says that she finds him "interesting," Kanji takes that as Naoto (in disguise) is possibly attracted to him and he is relieved at having possibly found another gay man in Inaba, but after learning Naoto's a girl, it may be possible the feelings he has for her are more personal than just a basic attraction towards gender Kanji DOES accept that his sexual preference is towards men, but from the relationship he and Naoto develop in the end by comparison to his relationships with the other girls, I'm guessing that he's not "completely" bisexual, but he does care about her on a close emotional level ... In spite of all that, though, I still ship them XD

Ponder von Lampgurgle Personally I think he's just Naotosexual

zaqareemalcolm Aren't we all a little Naotosexual? X3

***** The exact scene leaves it very ambiguous who he found attractive to the point of nosebleed. It could've easily be either the girls in bikini, or the guys only in shorts who are wet as well, or even both. Not helped in extra dialogue in Golden where he has some...interesting comments should MC talk to him in a dungeon while he (MC) is wearing the Towel costume.

+Raptor Jesus Also 3:32 one of Kanji's best lines. He sounds so legit angry. Props to his voice actor.

Raptor Jesus Persona 5 has way more bullshit in my opinion, but is a much more balanced game with it's tones

I feel that guy from a year ago

What was your reaction to Rise?

And then you got to Rise's Shadow and saw every last inch of weirdness..... ;)

@@anthonymurano8494 That thing was a trauma for the poor guy for sure

@@anthonymurano8494 Nah, shadow Kanji can't be topped lol. Rise was definitely creeping me out but Kanji was on levels I didn't know was possible.

Me on the other hand: Fuck YES

Me: no thanks ask yosuke

i dont mind to be gay for kanji

What in the actual fuck is a gay voice

Vito800 A sterotype.

Stanislaw Krawczyk But funny nevertheless

Wait, that's Troy Baker? Oh my fucking god. Shadow Kanji is now 900 times more hilarious.

Stanislaw Krawczyk to more right on what he means on a “gay voice” is where male’s voice has a large stereotypical feeling of feminine taste behind their words.

Because heat riser is kinda endgame buff but nice guy use that, in golden it was rebalancing to just tarukaja rakukaja

+Squid Police it's japan, they probaly think it just a typical podcast.

Space Police its just a normal weekend for them

Polandgod 75 lol you do realize that this is a work of fiction so of course no one would "question" it if perhaps it wasn't written lol XD

TsukiKageTora I suppose that the thing is that all of this is going on the Midnight Channel, and casual sitizens of Inaba can watch it with straight face and no particular questions. Which is really weird, if you ask me. Imagine that you found a channel, on which a gay man searches for his love in sauna, and then suddenly aforementioned gay man turns all Megazord and fights a group of teens with spiritual projections.

From what I know and understand of the game, this is the most sensible explanation. A guy who has interests that don't exactly fit with the normal perception of his age and gender and his subconscious mind internalizing it, how he's worried society would see him for having even a slight deviance from the common idea of 'this is a man', and what it might really mean for him as a person. If I recall correctly, it was also just him and his mom. So him taking up sewing and knitting are natural extensions of that situation. He's helping his mom and likes doing it so there's nothing wrong. Even though society at the time might act like the "lack of a strong male influence" led to him being to be different. Then in walks a girl who pretends to be a guy and, even though he thinks she's a "fellow male", he likes her. Maybe more than likes her. Real screwball to his already tense subconscious that's judging him like he thinks society would. Though there's nothing wrong with liking cute things, regardless of gender or age. It's just that our own individual tastes would change what cute applies to. What's typecast as 'cutesy' or 'cute to women' might be a generalization but... Yeah, parental influence does have influence there. And even with a dad in the picture, Kanji might be interested anyway. He likes art and cuteness? So what? If it's not manly to have an interest in something more than fighting, best get rid of the stereotype. But it doesn't change that what does matter is that he should be willing to accept himself and the fact that yes, he likes those things, they do not detract from his "man cred", he doesn't have to explain a thing about it. And if anyone has a problem with it, too damn bad. I personally think it's really manly if you can cook, clean, and sew. Not to mention, it shows potential romantic partners that you're appealing in more ways and can support them when they need it. Though it doesn't really help that his peers, also teens who are also figuring themselves and sociocultural and gender roles out, don't really know or accept much about themselves either.

And thinking Naoto was a guy interested in him likely added to the insecurity

yeah ok but who asked tho

He literally says he doesn't care if his partner is a man or woman, just that they accept him. That's bi, my guy.

@@anubis7457 Not necessarily? He says specifically "it aint about guys or chicks" in reference to the shadows words about girls being scary and preferring men. That's not him saying he'd date guys or girls, just him saying it's not about who it is provided they accept him (not necessarily in a sexual or romantic way)

TheBlackknight720 yup. When I first started playing Persona 4, I got rekt SO BAD by Shadow Kanji. Like seriously, it's one of the most annoying boss fight ever. But seeing the P4G, it's easy af. You can literally beat it even being underleveled

Right ! When I play P4G it was easy to kill'em. I recently bough p4 on ps3, and ahah it was a really difficult fight but got it after like 20 minutes lol

TheBlackknight720 I feel you. Fighting Kanji in P4 is a real pain in the ass.

Ripped Teddie suit.

In the anime, either nice guy or tough guy (I am unsure which) said that yukiko does not look good in red

They nerfed tough guy and nice guy, that's why you could keep them grounded.

Yeah man, I feel it really easy in hard difficulty if you understand the game and it grind less in golden version.

Check that, reverse it.

.................How do you poison someone by grabbing their ass...?

Diamond Falcon AIDS?

+Diamond Falcon Poisonous touch.

Chie and yukiko were just triggered cuz both guy just moaned every time the took damage

congrats?

Level 25 is recommended level. If you were 5 levels above that you were way over leveled.

@@spencerbowden2979I beat him with my party at lv 15-20 and it only took me 3 tries and a bunch of medicine

sauce please

He isn’t gay, he said so himself.

Bara = rose in Japanese.

Does that mean James is gay?

I feel you

*MEGIDOLAOOF*

@@elflordyt6830 I'M FUCKING D E A D

How to win: Fuse Yoshiturne and Izanagi Then give it Heat Riser and Hassou Tobi

Arnel Aristoteles uh... are you talking about new game +?

It's better to just use the extra turn for another ice/fire attack on the Nice/Tough Guys or boost your team's stats

I know this is a year old, but the reason why they sound familiar is because they are both playing off of gay stereotypes.

this is forsure software and not a camera

HaveSomeMemes well only the girls get rage too

Here I am being clapped because I'm underleveled

I fought him at Level 22. Yukiko was 23.

Try devil survivor 2

Thanks. I'll see if I can find it. ~Josh~

that game is pretty cool just like persona but the graphics are 16bit its SMT though

Dhilan Solanki which version are you playing

snoitca efil ruoy htiW desuma ton si yeffaL SSU golden