He Exposed Bernie Madoff 17 Years Before It Collapsed, Nobody Listened

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Bernie Madoff ran the largest Ponzi scheme in the history of the world, growing to a shocking $50 billion before it collapsed under its own weight in 2008. As early as 1991, 17 years before the collapse, a mathematician and financier named Edward Thorp found out that Madoff was running a Ponzi scheme. Yet very few people took Thorp's allegations seriously. In this video we tell the shocking story of how Edward Thorp exposed Bernie Madoff and why so few people listened to him until it was too late.
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0:00 - 3:16 Intro
3:17 - 6:11 The rise of Madoff
6:12 - 10:00 Feeder funds
10:01 - 13:04 Canary in the coal mine
13:05 Madoff exposed

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@wallstreetmillennial 3 ай бұрын

Thank you to Keeps for sponsoring this video! Head to keeps.com/wallstreetmillennial to get a special offer.

@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 3 ай бұрын

That was such a low blow ads but since you used Madoff it's even funnier

@oqlassic8799 3 ай бұрын

Where are the sources?

@carpediem4512 3 ай бұрын

The man was convicted and then passed away. Let it go.

@atyj1 3 ай бұрын

@@ariavachier-lagravech.6910hilarious segue ngl

@suckmyartauds 3 ай бұрын

The sponsor transition killed me

@phatwayne 3 ай бұрын

Having worked extensively with McKinsey, I would have to disagree with the “smartest in the room” comment. They are far from it.

@user-oq3tq1ul9b 3 ай бұрын

100% true

@jann9507 3 ай бұрын

This video is a marketing ploy by McKinsey….

@tech9803 3 ай бұрын

They tell management what they want to hear, to give them an excuse to do what they want to do.

@BruceBender-zz6uf 3 ай бұрын

Jeff Skilling is proof of that.

@blackoutgo2597 3 ай бұрын

sounded more like a reference to Enron

@benjaminmatheny6683 3 ай бұрын

craziest thing to me is that only 5 people went to prison along with Madoff. So supposedly he ran the whole scheme with only the help from 5 people, and none of the "feeder fund" folks got in trouble for selling a fraudulent product.

@mokisan 3 ай бұрын

That was always surprising

@foobarFR 3 ай бұрын

The time was 2008. The whole american financial system was a fraud.

@nr12345 3 ай бұрын

it is plausible only 5 knew.the inside scheme and the reason it lasted so long. The more people involved the more likely a scam implodes quicker.

@qap0ne 3 ай бұрын

Is that really surprising tho? How many people went to jail because of GFC?

@jonahfalcon1970 3 ай бұрын

Well, it's telling that Madoff's two sons didn't know there was a Ponzi scheme.

@abubakrh483 3 ай бұрын

Legendary segue into the ad spot

@psp4150 3 ай бұрын

The bald can never be trusted. They can’t even keep hair on their heads.

@RobbbbC 3 ай бұрын

🥶☠️

@tibettenballs4962 3 ай бұрын

Bro. Straight fire 🔥 … like the head my little sister will provide to you. Her done is fire 🔥 too. My little sister? She’s a professional peenuz twister.

@amaterasuodera 3 ай бұрын

No be lie!

@CoolHand273 3 ай бұрын

CEOs hire management consultants when they know the answer but they don't want to act on it. The consultants are paid to take the blame.

@Jordan-Ramses 3 ай бұрын

Step 1: there is no problem. Step 2: there is a problem but nothing should be done. Step 3: something should be done but what? Step 4: something should have been done but it's too late now.

@biltrex 3 ай бұрын

Crazy that Veritasium just did a video featuring Edward Thorp and his equations, and now here I am again on that subject!

@Klatchan 3 ай бұрын

Almost like that dude paid for astroturfing.....

@hiimjustin8826 3 ай бұрын

What a coincidence

@tomlxyz 3 ай бұрын

@@Klatchan or KZfaqrs copying each other's ideas

@Klatchan 3 ай бұрын

@@tomlxyzWhen a McKinsey dude starts getting good press I get suspicious. That's how we got Secretary Mayor Pete.

@anidanga 3 ай бұрын

@@tomlxyz Yes, but it is Synchronicity for him!

@Intrepidinnovation 3 ай бұрын

Great ad placement lol😂

@stevenkerr6467 3 ай бұрын

That was out of pocket lol

@xelefonte 3 ай бұрын

Hate the ad, I’m dealing with my own hair recession so don’t need to be reminded.

@LesserAndrew 3 ай бұрын

"It was proven that the trades they claimed were not happening as described." Tether: "Is that a bad thing?"

@joseafalvel 3 ай бұрын

hahahaha I loved the way you introduced the sponsor

@maxsterling9908 3 ай бұрын

Thorp quietly told his friend to withdraw their money quietly and fast as they can. The client had issues with SEC themselves ao, they didn't blow the whistle on Madoff. In hindsight, they should have let SEC know anonymously.

@um8440 3 ай бұрын

Madoff knew the people will have him and his families 6ft under, that is why he gave himself up and say that confess to his sons, that is a lie, his sons and families both know, that is why one of them is gone and the other one is in jail. When he messed with the big money they can hire people to take him out, so he has to confess to go to jail, the biggest investor was the new york mets owner, they had to sell the mets to another no good guy that own it now.

@glenmiller1437 3 ай бұрын

I don't know if your entire comment is a lie, but without even looking it up... One of Madoff's sons killed himself in 2010. The other is dead from cancer. Neither is in jail. Madoff reportedly did confess his fraud to his sons, and they turned him thru their attorney. There is no law enforcement organization that disagrees with this.

@mrrootytooty5797 3 ай бұрын

Theres a great book called When McKinsey comes to town, which deals with the actual ramifications of engaging these supposed galaxy brains.

@zwatwashdc 3 ай бұрын

I have seen this many times in my career. Everyone knows or suspects the emperor has no clothes, but nobody wants the money train to stop, so they just go along to get along and help to get anyone who speaks out.

@vanessamachingura8902 3 ай бұрын

The ad is crazy 😭

@baller6382 3 ай бұрын

That sponsor transition was crazy

@hwhack 3 ай бұрын

Not 1 single customer verified the trades. And the 2 people who looked at them realized there was nothing there.

@kennyadvocat 3 ай бұрын

Everyone is happy when they think they are making %10 gains every single year. =/

@tomlxyz 3 ай бұрын

You have to consider that when he started the scheme he was a well respected person with a legitimate history, not some random person starting a scam.

@jayo3074 3 ай бұрын

@@tomlxyzregardless please should always verify things. Even a billionaire has to prove his net worth to a bank before they lend him money.

@gavnonadoroge3092 3 ай бұрын

did anyone actually lose money after picard distributions?

@mbg9650 3 ай бұрын

Shit will always happen when lawyers are heading S.E.C.

@samsonsoturian6013 3 ай бұрын

It is technically law enforcement

@chris0000924 3 ай бұрын

@@samsonsoturian6013 It's civil regulatory FBI is law enforcement

@r-pupz7032 3 ай бұрын

That sponsor segue was too smooth :D I had never heard this part of the Madoff saga before! I don't even know how I found your channel, I'm roo broke to invest and I had no prior interest in or knowledge of the world of finance, but I am fascinated by frauds, conmen, and the psychological and sociological aspects of wealth and capitalism. Your videos are always so interesting, and easy to follow for a layperson. Thank you!

@althunder4269 3 ай бұрын

I heard he had a secret floor of employees that created the fake account statements. But what did the rest of the employees do all day? They sure weren't trading stocks.

@snooganslestat2030 3 ай бұрын

Didn't he also run his regular & legitimate company at the same time?

@althunder4269 3 ай бұрын

@@snooganslestat2030 It did say in the video he was running that market making company which was legitimate but the rest of his business was a fraud.

@tomlxyz 3 ай бұрын

It was part of the same company that did legitimate business so all those others did actually trade stock all day (a big part of the company was being a market maker)

@jpanda79 3 ай бұрын

Crazy how blatent it was yet people just ignored it since they were "making money" greed is not good

@aritragupta4182 3 ай бұрын

🤯 I was expecting a re-packaged Harry Markopolos video; I should have known better. This is Wall Street Millennial after all. 💯

@Smallpriest 3 ай бұрын

Ed Thorp the GOAT

@XTRADERXNYC 3 ай бұрын

What a smooth add transition 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@jayo3074 3 ай бұрын

Lol I liked it I can't lie 😂

@vincentb5119 3 ай бұрын

2:00 He hit the nail right on the head with that add transition.

@samsonsoturian6013 3 ай бұрын

Did Madoff's sons really turn him in, or did Madoff plan years in advance to make himself the fall guy for the family racket?

@lerm4676 3 ай бұрын

Only someone who has done ZERO research would ask such a question. Watch some documentaries on him.

@samsonsoturian6013 3 ай бұрын

@lerm4676 you clearly haven't. You really think his kids turned him in?

@anonmouse956 3 ай бұрын

Ed Thorp was a very high level academic. He coauthored some papers with the legendary Claude Shannon.

@Doggieman1111 2 ай бұрын

Edward O Thorpe wrote an absolutely legendary book on blackjack.

@TIO540S1 3 ай бұрын

Whatever room Dr. Thorp is in, you can be pretty sure he's the smartest guy in it. It also should be mentioned that Markopolos' star is not shining so brightly. His August, 2019 call on GE has not come to fruition. It was at around $55/share when he called it "a bigger fraud than Enron." It closed today at $158.65.

@theultimatereductionist7592 3 ай бұрын

"It closed today at $158.65" Yeah? So? That does not mean GE is not a bigger fraud than Enron. You really are stupid if you think a stock market price says anything about TRUTH.

@ProfAzimov 3 ай бұрын

He was (allegedly) paid by some hedge fund for the GE scam report

@vanesslifeygo 3 ай бұрын

@@ProfAzimov that's the sensible explanation. no one, and I mean no one, would actually say GE will go to zero, or even 10, with such velocity.

@Jordan-Ramses 3 ай бұрын

Dr Thorp isn't that smart. He should have realized nobody is interested in the truth and not wasted his time on it. It was an obvious scam. People wanted to believe in it.

@udirt 3 ай бұрын

@vanesslifeygo keep in mind it's been decades since GE was a normal business and at any given time it has different goals/strategies, few of those relating to production of goods. So we have little way of telling if or why they stay stable.

@jonahfalcon1970 3 ай бұрын

I'm guessing from the title this is about Harry Markopolos. EDIT: Oh, Edward Thorp, the math genius who wrote about how to gamble and actually win at casinos.

@wallstreetmillennial 3 ай бұрын

Harry Markopolos exposed Madoff in 2000, there's someone else who exposed him all the way back in 1991

@jonahfalcon1970 3 ай бұрын

@@wallstreetmillennialYeah, Thorp, who was the author of those gambling books using math.

@theodorehsu5023 3 ай бұрын

@@jonahfalcon1970You wonder if Thorp and Harry got the last laugh.

@crimcrusader8459 3 ай бұрын

@@theodorehsu5023 I wonder even more if both of them had consulted with each other in the first place.

@jonahfalcon1970 3 ай бұрын

@crimcrusader8459 No. Thorp was only advising investors. He was not doing it to whistle-blow to the SEC. Markopolis did use Thorp as additional evidence, tho. Madoff never got caught. The SEC Ignored the accusations and it was Madoff who turned himself in to his sons who in turn turned their dad in.

@runnerguy7564 3 ай бұрын

Markopolis wrote a great book on his findings. Worth the read.

@gepisar 3 ай бұрын

omg! Parleys the biggest ponzi scheme ever to hawk baldness cream. Nice work. I love ya for it! Kudos.

@manyogurt4645 3 ай бұрын

As long as individuals/institutions are benefiting from a crime, there will be willful ignorance.

@danser_theplayer01 3 ай бұрын

Bernie sure Madeoff with all the money.

@samsonsoturian6013 3 ай бұрын

Where we have heard that one before?

@danser_theplayer01 3 ай бұрын

@@samsonsoturian6013 Idk man, I'm sure tons of people though the same thing.

@MichaelWilliamz 3 ай бұрын

If I could be Bernie Madof and live his life I 100% absolutely would. Rich people problems are like a fantasy…

@kennyadvocat 3 ай бұрын

Right. I heard some people think he was scamming even back in 1980 or earlier. LOL A good 28 year run. I bet he would have lasted another 10 years if 2008 crash wasn't so bad.

@jr56440 3 ай бұрын

My understanding is that it was a constant struggle to bring in new money and pay out old investors as his situation got more and more impossible to get out of. If the returns stopped flowing enough people would want out that it would sink him, but there was no chance he could ever unwind the thing. It must have been like living on credit cards indefinitely, but if you miss a minimum payment you go to prison for life.

@vincbestia 3 ай бұрын

awesome video this reminds me of linus. keep it up

@toric6005 3 ай бұрын

Most unhinged sponsorship segway😂😂😂😂 love it

@davidferrero3055 3 ай бұрын

The ad intro lmaaaaao

@ClimateKiller 3 ай бұрын

That baldness segue was so suave linus tech tips are envious

@Skaahn 3 ай бұрын

I always wonder why SEC could not catch him?

@althunder4269 3 ай бұрын

They could have if they weren't so lazy.

@samsonsoturian6013 3 ай бұрын

@@althunder4269shut up. Get drafted

@samsonsoturian6013 3 ай бұрын

IDK, they get a lot of complaints from people blaming brokers for their own terrible trades. They file hundreds of lawsuits a year, that's all we know

@fix0the0spade 3 ай бұрын

a) They chose not to look. b) Madoff aggressively ingratiated himself with the rich and powerful, both by taking money from them and making generous charitable donations. Being seen to scrutinise Madoff in any way was career suicide in the late 90s and early 00s.

@leswhynin913 3 ай бұрын

I also suffer from male pattern baldness

@theultimatereductionist7592 3 ай бұрын

I suffer from male moral baldness, just like Madoff.

@GroovyVideo2 3 ай бұрын

Some people want to believe and add in a Big pile of greed

@sutats 3 ай бұрын

Greed is always the magic ingredient.

@TTT-1961. 3 ай бұрын

The moral of the story is that none of this would have happened had Maddoff addressed his pattern baldness earlier. Billions would have been saved.

@kinuthiamatata6040 3 ай бұрын

that ad was too well placed🤣

@erbol0011 3 ай бұрын

More than likely he wasn't alone someone was helping and got very good money for Madeoffs protection

@jacobcaplan6350 3 ай бұрын

I signed up for the website and paid. How do i join the paid discord?

@paddieland 3 ай бұрын

I just finished Edward Thorp’s book “A Man For All Markets” it is excellent there is so much in it explained so clearly by such an honest clever man.

@amitsharmaasg 3 ай бұрын

More then anything else I'll remember he suffered from male pattern baldness 👌😂

@thehackmusician 2 ай бұрын

Respect the ad read lol

@MH-YouTube-Controlled Ай бұрын

Not only was he operating a black box, it was a double secret black box.

@EamonCoyle 3 ай бұрын

Less add breaks on cable news lol

@noahthenormal 3 ай бұрын

So cable news has 0 ads breaks, then?

@EamonCoyle 3 ай бұрын

@@noahthenormal Predictive ads I suppose sir, but I got 3 in first 5 mins not including the built in ad lol.....not Millennial's fault was just pointing it out !!

@TheBishop12 3 ай бұрын

13:24 17 years and then another 8 years from exposed to end= people definitely knew and were slowly pulling out

@CobaltLobster 3 ай бұрын

Madoff, Musk, Milton... there will be more.

@smoothmicra 3 ай бұрын

F*ck it comes with a 'baldness cure' as a sponsor. Surprised Bernie didn't get into that racket.

@Ashish-fm1rp 3 ай бұрын

Finance world boasts about Genius mathematicians, fin wizards but not one mf realized that his last name is literally "made off". That should've been a red flag from the get go

@gavnonadoroge3092 3 ай бұрын

many companies listed on the stock market lose money, is that considered a scam, or the way of doing business?

@millenialmusings8451 3 ай бұрын

The American financial system is a casino in which the house (0.1%) always win

@thomaspick4123 3 ай бұрын

After Madoff, they also discovered how Jack Welch ruined GE.

@Kevin-zz9nc 3 ай бұрын

Oh man!!!! Completely SHAMELESS!!!! Legend indeed. Why doesnt he give investment advice while he's at it??

@randomchannel-px6ho Ай бұрын

If the regulators are able to turn such a blind eye to someone stealing from the rich, imagine what they allow when the victims are the poor...

@santiagocedillo5025 Ай бұрын

Whenever you do a D. Trump video, endorse a tanning bed company 👍 better yet, an orange juice company 🔥🔥

@bsnhbksan 3 ай бұрын

We all know why Madoff was able to do what he did as long as he did, he had that plot armor. You know the one.

@marcosorduno9203 3 ай бұрын

17 years ...that standard everyone is a guru

@honeyhorse4597 3 ай бұрын

You still buying upstart?

@smoothmicra 3 ай бұрын

Do tune in for more "wise after the event" commentary folks.

@Brigadorski 3 ай бұрын

Slow day at the office?

@cammaster50 3 ай бұрын

Can we not do the keeps ads?

@Bentley7Cruize 3 ай бұрын

Why? You feel bad about balding? Lol its ok bro

@rajonbai746 3 ай бұрын

What a segway to the Keeps ad!! "In addition to being one of the biggest fraudsters of all time, Bernie Madoff also suffered from male pattern baldness." 🤣🤣🤣

@LinuxAndThings 3 ай бұрын

Notification Squaaaaad

@prv2182 3 ай бұрын

Wasn’t this firm exposed on Oliver show?! 😂

@cyphi474 Ай бұрын

Guess you need gambler to expose the gambler.

@RUHappyATM 3 ай бұрын

Evil.

@nico7654321 3 ай бұрын

The message of this video is that you can be a swindler but not a bald man

@jeffpestano1296 3 ай бұрын

I turned it off at the male pattern baldness. That was a pathetic set up.

@benjaminortiz387 3 ай бұрын

Bernie Madoff with your money 😂

@clifforddriver9434 3 ай бұрын

Money is the root of all evil. He lost everything with this perpetual lie. Family included. One of his sons committed suicide because of this. An absolute embarrassment to anyone who knew him.

@bacool 3 ай бұрын

Crypto is back in full force. I’m not here to judge anyone but at some point we are 100% going to see a larger Luna and FTX. We continue to see tens of millions hacked weekly and this will soon become billions in the coming months. At what point does the societal cost of unchecked innovation become too big to bear?

@TehPwnerer 3 ай бұрын

Treating your pathetic hair line insecurity has never been easier than with Keeps.

@jimbojimbo6873 3 ай бұрын

RIP Bernie

@bt4582 3 ай бұрын

It was easy for a lot of ppl to stay ignorant cuz they were making boatloads of cash. ,

@supportmalphite8769 3 ай бұрын

MY GRANDPA DIED 15 YEARS AGO, NOBODY GAVE A SHIT

@stuartegrin7543 3 ай бұрын

Feeder funds. 🤡

@user-hp9eg3gf6s 3 ай бұрын

Bernie Bernie Bernie Vote for Bernie Madoff for president of the prisoner gang 🤣

@turbyoulance 3 ай бұрын

he was a crook

@rwoodward8839 3 ай бұрын

So you expose a scam and then advertise for a scam? If there was a product that kept your hair from falling out then why are there bald people in the world? Duh, it's obviously a scam.

@snooganslestat2030 3 ай бұрын

Duh obviously not everyone uses it. Not everyone has heard of it. Not everyone has access to it. Not everyone wants to use it.

@justinweber4977 3 ай бұрын

Well, we cant ignore the likelihood that some people also probably dont care that they're losing hair and are not doing anything to try and prevent it. Im not saying this works as advertised, but am pointing out that "then why are there bald people?" Isn't much in the way of evidence. Also, if its a chemical process, not everyone will respond to it the same way or even respond at all.

@2NormalHuman 3 ай бұрын

I think it is not a scam, if you look closely at the product it says "thickening shampoo" and "thickening conditioner". This is no different from your regular shampoo brands like Head & Shoulders and Dove, they have the same product line. So you can buy this product from them, or you can order it from the advertised company - Keeps. The results will likely be the same

@rwoodward8839 3 ай бұрын

If that's the case then I'll withdraw the "scam" comment but it's still misleading. The first person to actually patent a cure to baldness will have more money than Elon Musk and all of my bald friends will suddenly have hair. That's all I'm saying.@@2NormalHuman

@rwoodward8839 3 ай бұрын

Show me a bald person that doesn't care about hair loss and I'll show you a morbidly obese person that doesn't care about being fat or a paralyzed person that doesn't care about walking but first we have to find one of these imaginary people. They care. Trust me, they care. @@justinweber4977

@Alley00Cat 3 ай бұрын

“In addition to being one of the biggest fraudsters of all time, Madoff also suffered from male patter baldness” has to be one of the most awkward ad segue ever.