YAY

It's the end...

Oh no... I was hoping to see your reaction to the Haunting ASAP, but then Bojack fans need their fresh dose of Stubagful, too, so I guess it’s their turn now!

And now for an example of depression portrayed by television done right:

I’m scared

AND we could have not had the one with the shit people with green hair

Exactly, I mean the episode offers the perfect moment for a cliffhanger. The companions are captured by Zellin, the Doctor realises she's been tricked, and part 1 ends with Zellin's companion being released. Then part 2 starts with that animated sequence, and the rest of the episode focusses on the Doctor trying to escape captivity and defeat the two godlike creatures feasting on humanity's nightmares. It would've allowed more time with these phenomenal new villains, and even allowed for a more natural, less rushed climax. I do like Can You Hear Me, and I do think it's one of the Chibnall era's stronger episodes, but it definitely needed to be a two-parter in order to properly stick the landing.

Yeah, it almost feels like that was the plan but it got hacked to pieces.

@@kitbrown3895 Nice! That would have lifted the entire series in quality!

yes that is correct

Yeah, i mean she wanted to be a cop cause she had a random mental health conversation with one in some road? She might as well could have been a psychiatrist or educator or whatever instead of going into parking tickets

​@@TheJaviferrol Trouble is, I think it's a bit more difficult to qualify as a psychiatrist or an educator than it is to join the police force :)

@@ftumschk They should have totally adressed it better and earlier

@@TheJaviferrol Oh, indeed. They should just have given Yaz more to do, full stop, as she's always struck me as the potentially more interesting companion. Despite what little she was given last year, I still warmed to her more than Ryan, even though he and his back-story got far more airtime.

@@ftumschk This should have just been a Yaz episode honestly, that would have served the story better. Either of them could have been the one to have a nightmare to overcome or deal with, would have given it more focus.

the reason why they perceive the black villain a diversity hire is because most if not all the hiring of minority actors in seasons 11 and 12 have been made to make the show be more representative and diverse. it also shows how progressive and diverse the BBC is in their hiring practices.

@@joeespin4377 In this reply I'm using the word "you" as not a direct reference to you per se, but rather I'm using "you" in regards to the people with that viewpoint. Your comment is just pretty statement-y. Is there anything wrong with being more representative and diverse though? And besides that viewpoint is just invalidating any actor of color as a "diversity hire" and not judging them on their performance or anything, like they would for a white actor evidently. And I'm not gonna say that's racist but it certainly is prejudiced even if not on purpose, because your instantly counting someone out because of the color of their skin. Judge an actor on their acting not what you perceive as as secret evil conspiracy by the BBC diversity cabal. And besides we do live in a more diverse world, so is it really bad to have more diverse people on screen? Also don't get me wrong I hate on the nose, badly done pandering diversity or messages, which this era for sure has done. It's just a problem when you get to the point, as I talked about, where you see every person of color as a diversity hire. If the show clumsily calls it out and expects a pat on the back, yeah that sucks. But if a person of color is just a character and does well and doesn't do any shitty pandering in their character, then woo. Or if they explore real life implications well I'm also not against that. Like I've said this era is definitely not perfect with how they handle diversity or messages, but it's definitely not as bad as the vocal minority makes it out to be. There's a lot more pressing and real issues in how they've been writing the show than "oh no a black side character." So yeah once again, I'm not like going at you, just explaining what I see as how things are.

@@Far716 i know your use of "you" was as a collective "you" not a specific "you" i take issue with your characterization of our group as a "vocal minority" yes we are vocal but are we really a minority. if we are a minority should we not be represented on the show? what if the only reason for the character's existence is so that the BBC and Chibs can score some points with the progressive community. you mean there isn't a cabal of diversity that includes the BBC. wow! this is real news. who can i tell that will believe me...HELP.:)

@@joeespin4377 You lot ARE represented in the show. Shouty, poor sentence structure, lacking in nuance, moral absolutists, obsessed with race, contractually obliged to turn up every season... You're Daleks.

@@joeespin4377 Good point on the use of minority haha, I'm not fully equipped with the right vernacular for this always. Though once again, for me, I don't really see the issue, overall, of more diversity. Yes, there is always going to be a big bit of pandering from a big organization like the BBC, but I don't see the harm to be honest. It still gives people of color a chance to just be in a big show. The thing with the Anti-PC people that is bad for me is that they seem to despise the presence of these people of color and see it as inherently negative, no matter the context, and that's the legit problem in my opinion. Hate the really bad pandering bits of show, yeah, but hating every time a person of color shows there face on the show because of the perceived PC-ness or Woke-ness, no. And in regards to New Who they've been adding more diversity and such since the beginning, with companions and incidental characters and all that, so it's interesting to me that this era in particular has been really getting people mad. I suppose it's probably just cuz of the more serious depictions of experiences of people of color, like in Rosa and Demons of the Punjab. Though for me the general idea of showing these more serious racial topics is a good idea in theory, whether or not it's done well is questionable, yeah. Rosa is pretty bad with it, and Punjab is pretty good at it in my opinion, so even within the era I don't see a large decline in quality BECAUSE of diversity topics, but rather a typical Doctor Who split of good and bad. I think having people of color more often opens up a lot of important stories and new perspectives for the show to explore. Also a lot of people are triggered by environmental issues and such, but once again it seems to me to be for the wrong reasons, but that's a whole other issue haha. Or the whole deal with the Doctor being a woman, but once again, another issue. So, once again, for me, I think people are focusing on the wrong thing as the biggest problem of the era. It's not diversity and social/political issues. It's the characters not being developed, its the stories not getting enough time to breathe, it's shitty monsters. And at least for me they've been doing better this season with all these things. Though like I said this is still probably the worst era of the show for me. But at least for me, I have hope that it will get better. This show has endless possibilities, and I think it's just part of being a doctor who fan. To have to sift through the good and the bad and hope that they capitalize on the gold premise of this show. And if it's not for you then fine, that's okay too. I really just think the Anti-PC people should re-examine their gripes a bit, cuz I think they're going about it the wrong way.

No, no, that guy was all hood and mouth. This guy had a head tattoo and did things with his fingers that forced the catholic church to make a statement purely on reflex. Besides, it's the next episode that really takes a hammer to the established canon's "lil finnies" with deranged glee.

I got that as well. I was growing out of SJA when that aired but even then that episode really gripped me. I like "Can you hear me" as well but it definitely feels a lot less original if you make the connection to "Nightmare Man". I'd be very surprised if the writer hadn't watched that SJA episode at all.

Yeah I got that

Nah, they just copped Mind of Evil and deadly assassin, visuals from Leisure Hive, and chucked in pointless references to guardians and externals and toymakers. Oh my. It's more sad how shallow Chibnall's show is when all these themes were done better back then. Or havebhuman children dumbed down over the last couple of decades?

I guess you can say that they are the same person, I don't think there was an explanation for the nightmare man in that episode.

But that's like excusing people like me who are uncomfortable with people AND have no solutions when emotional people dump on me. Unlike the doctor who probably can go to the Tardis medicine cabinet pull out some cancer cure pill and give it to Graham. Or they could go to some hospital planet (not run by cats) that has cancer cure. Instead we get the Doctor going oh well if you die, you die attitude.

It's not like she didn't care she clearly cared about him because she's considering what is the best thing to say and is thinking about his feelings rather than just trying to shut him up. To stall for time so she can do better, she played into her awkwardness and made him laugh- humour is a coping mechanism. And there are time-travel based rules for why she can't give Graham a cancer cure.

The problem is that the Doctor has been shown to be very good in these situations (see the Doctor comforting Amy in "Vincent and the Doctor" and that random woman he barely knew in "A Good Man Goes to War".

@@DeplorableMinecrafter Umm, regeneration? Is the concept of a personality shift during regeneration somehow new to you?

Joel Van Echteld damn, that would of been so much better. Hahaha I still really like this episode. But your idea 👍👍😎 would of made it better.

I suppose a lot of the stuff felt unnecessary because it wasn't developed enough and might have felt more justifiable if they had had the time to do something with them

The Doctor has experienced slow, inevitable death before though. An example of this would be the last few episodes of David Tennant's Doctor, where he had suffered enough damage to open up regeneration as an option he had, but it took a while for something to finish the job. They describe regeneration as feeling like dying, and every incarnation dies knowing that they are going to come out the other side of it with drastic shifts in their personality. All in all, while the Doctor probably doesn't need to worry about cancer specifically, they would certainly at least have an understanding of why the life draining out of them slowly and painfully would be scary for other people.

@@davidsmith7752 Tbh I and a lot of other people thought Tennant treating regeneration like that was really out of character, especially considering before and during that episode he has been willing to give his life and calls his immortality a curse. Prior to that regeneration had never been considered a death by the Doctors- Stuart even said once that's the human view of death, to timelords it means something different. And even during a regeneration- the Doctor still lives and knows he'll live, even if it "feels like dying" they know it's not really the end. There's no new persona waiting for Graham after cancer. Also this version of the Doctor is quite awkward and doesn't really know how to talk to people, so I bought it out of character reasons for this Doctor as well not just the Doctor in general. I don't feel she was dismissive as some people made her out to be

I’m gonna have to side with Ben on this. I did feel that was out of character... the 9th Doctor seemed pretty fine with his regeneration, when he was changing.. don’t worry Rose. Even changed into a more potential suitable romantic partner for her. (Rose). I feel like with Matt Smiths Regeneration speech, they were trying to “fix” the previous regeneration speech from David. (Just using actors names for reference, obviously it’s not “their speech”). We are all different people through out our lives, and it’s okay to change. As long as you remember all the people you use to be. Instead of, it’s like I DIE! Another man just goes sauntering off but I’m dead... well then what the point of regeneration?(besides obvious reason: the show gets to continue with a new actor as the Doctor).

I'll admit that is kinda what he did in Torchwood with Fragments happening right before exit wounds.

The only companion I don't really care for is Ryan, and this story did nothing to change that. Quite the opposite, in fact - the scenes with him and Tibo were so leaden and tedious that I actually shouted "Get on with it!" at the screen.

I think it's a little more complicated than that, I didn't read them as dismissive, just unsure of how to help and not knowing what to say as between physiology, technology, and regeneration timelords do not get cancer

I think it's main issue is that there's too much for one episode. It's main issues is that it wants to talk about mental illness, defeat some meta-monsters and fill in the sci-fi jargon in 50mins. The Episode also brushes off The Doctors issues completely. She's just seen her race drstroyed for the second time. She's also depressed whilst cooling down from beating an insanely powerful villain and Graham talking about his Cancer. She's overwhelmed and this could have been a great character development scene IF they had more time. Graham could have called the Doctor out on it and the conversation could have been very interesting and it would have grown the characters even more imo.

@@TheWarpForge I didn't think 13 needed to be called out on her behaviour, she tried, she wanted to help and was about to that's more than some Doctors would do