Should have upped the nostalgia and brought back 'prediction corner'

I dropped bojack to watch this. that's how much I care about this

Maybe if Captain Jack had been in Orphan 55 then people would have called it the best episode ever

That was a very early-90s shirt the Ruth Doctor was wearing, therefore she's the 8th Doctor from a universe where the show didn't get cancelled in 1989. :P

“If you look at River Song at the start and then at the end” So Ruth Doctor isn’t going to be solved for 7 years ???

So there I am, minding my own business "okay so I guess I'm reviewing Doctor Who, but I've got all the time in the world to get my reviews done" and then THAT happens (Fyi: I'm away next week so I'll get behind again but I NEEDED to do this one ASAP)

Honestly, that twist ending had me on the edge more than when I learnt that Bruce Willis was dead in The Sixth Sense. I honestly think that Chibnall put more love and care into Jo's Doctor more than Whittaker's

Member? Member Jack? Member the Judoon? Member when David Tennant said Judoon Platoon Upon The Moon?

Having Ruth exist during the S6B period would make the most sense if during that time she was working for the Timelords discovered what the Timeless Child was and had her memory wiped and turned into 3rd Doctor, also given one extra regeneration by the timelords so the Doctor wouldn't notice that they're missing a regeneration and suspecting something's a miss.

I was a really big fan of Jo Martin's doctor and would love to see her fully take on the role but the leaks suggest she's a pre Hartnell incarnation and that's something I fundamentally can't get behind,

I kind of want the Ruth doctor to be the next incarnation of the doctor for two reasons. The first is that it doesn't complicate continuity. The second is I feel like she had a stronger presence as the doctor than Jodie does.

This episode is literally that Twilight Zone sketch from the Fururama episode

I’m calling it, both she and Sacha Dhawan’s Master are from a parallel universe. It’s not like NewWho hasn’t done parallel universe stories before (Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel), and there were hints of different universes colliding since Spyfall. I personally don’t think Chibnall will retcon the First Doctor like that.

When the chameleon arch moment happened, I almost hoped the lighthouse was her Tardis with the spiral staircase and light on top. Oh, well...

I've only seen clips, but they make this new Fugitive Doctor look very good. She even reminds me of River Song, actually. I think it would be a positive move if Jo Martin became the next Doctor. And then in her first episode she ends up _rescuing River Song._

1. The TARDIS gets stuck as a police box in An Unearthly Child 2. The sonic screwdriver was introduced in Fury From the Deep 3. The First Doctor regenerated into the Second Doctor onscreen 4. Ruth's TARDIS is a police box 5. Ruth didn't recognise the sonic screwdriver So, basically, either Ruth is an alternate version of the Doctor in some sense (Probably my preferred resolution to the plot), the next Doctor, or she's something monumentally stupid. Otherwise, this was an OK episode, and generally well paced and written, although the use of Captain Jack was bizarre. Just bring him back or don't, not this pointless teaser cameo. RTD would probably have put this episode just before the finale, and unless more stuff happens in episodes 6, 7, and 8, that's probably where it should have gone.

"Maybe it makes the Morbius Doctors Timeline Canon"

I have a friend who theorised that the Ruth Doctor could actually be the Watcher :)

Omega is the Doctors Mother And Rassilon and the Doctor have a Kroton as a child!

Not a big fan of retconning Doctors. As much as I enjoyed John Hurt's performance it still took me awhile to like the idea. But hat's the one time I'll accept it. I shan't be doing it again. This'll probably be the last series I watch anyway until a new Doctor and or Show runner (hopefully both) come into it. I just can't be arsed with it anymore. I'll stick to the classics and Big Finish.

Oh, those first 8 Doctors. Life was simpler then. And I love them all. :-)

this ep just made me wish i was watching doctor who episodes with ruth as the doctor...

You and MrTARDIS uploading reviews on the same day has made me so happy. Especially as you both compared it to Let's Kill Hitler which I didn't notice but totally get now. Ah yes, I seem to remember you saying you enjoyed A Good Man Goes to War. I do too, it's a masterpiece.

Has anyone else noticed how the 12th doctor said he only "*thought* he used to be a man" at the start of World Enough and Time when he was explaining about him and Missy to Bill. I might be reading too much into it but Ruth Doctor could be from when he lived on Gallifrey before the 1st Doctor.

The review I’ve been waiting for...

I think the twist in this episode works for me the most because of the context given by what the Master said in Spyfall. I really like the idea that the Master reveals the time lords were lying about something and there's a huge conspiracy, and the Doctor doesn't really get what he's even talking about until she runs into a past incarnation of herself that completely upends her idea of what her own lifetime has looked like. (especially since meeting a new Doctor is a huge surprise to the audience as well) Obviously, that implies that the two things are connected, but it seems like that's where they're going with it.

Divergent timeline hence why both Ruth and Gat are unaware of the current Gallifrey’s fate . I’d say second war doctor that became a Paradox when time was shifted again and War Doctor went back to his dying a natural death fate

Even stu is pulling my nostalgia strings. How dare you soothe my earlier depressive days.

As a massive LOST fan, I really appreciated the reference lol. I hope you're not dismissive of it just because it was extremely dense. :)

OMAGER! It could be OMEGA!

The idea that we might just get random "filler" episodes between now and the finale, is a little thrown off by the addition of a co-writing credit from Chibnall on every upcoming episode that we know anything about, when they'd previously been listed as entirely solo scripts. Seems like _something_ is happening.

Hi stubagful. I'm really glad you enjoyed this great episode. Lets hope the rest of series 12 keeps it up. Also, do you think you could do a video an a review about the dr who story warriors' gate?

I think the new Ruth doctor could be from the Russell t Davis parallel universe

Your firing of these reviews faster than the show is

The odds are pretty good that Lee is the Master, you know.

I thought Rowan Atkinson played the Ninth Doctor in The Curse of Fatal Death.

Jo being 14 is a very elegant and direct solution except for how it relates to Gat

An actual critique of the episode on the basis of its quality as opposed to white male persecution complex political whining. Now THAT'S a breath of fresh air.

Your timeline left out the Curator, the Doctor an undefined number of regenerations in the future who is also just the Fourth Doctor but older.

The discussions of the episode on The Divergent Universe page is something

Judging on how the show is repeating storylines, Jo Martin's Doctor could be a parallel Doctor, which would tie in with the Cybermen at the end.

My main problem with this episode is that from the moment Ruth was revealed as the Doctor, i liked her more than Whittaker's Doctor - her outfit, mannerisms and performance were much better and more "Doctor" than Whittaker's version has been. Can we keep her and lose the other one somehow?

This is how things went for me with Fugitive of the Judoon: 1. So it's sort of like Smith & Jones. 2. OK, so the Fugitive is the Husband and not Ruth. 3. Why did the Judoon just teleport Graham? 4. NO Chibnall, you didn't bring back Captain Jack! YAY! 5. OK, so It's both Ruth AND the Husband that are Fugitives, probably from the Time Agency Jack was part of? 6. Nope, the Husband is Human, and Ruth is the only Fugitive. 7. Beware the lone Cyberman? Does that mean Ruth is THAT somehow what Ruth is? it would explain her sudden ability to fight the Judoon. 8. The TARDIS!? Ruth is F**king Doctor?! It's the "leak" come TRUE! Damn it! 9. Her TARDIS can't look like a Police Box, that's a continuity error! 10. She can't have a Chameleon Arch, THAT'S another continuity error! 11. Doctor Zero is a grumpy, unlikeable individual, who thinks nothing of hiding a lethal RIFLE, which is BOOBY TRAPPED, and kills her former Gallifreyan colleague (she says she "warned" her about it, but I don't remember her doing so). 12. Welp, now I know Chibnall is out to destroy Doctor Who and remake it all HIS way. 13. How DARE Chibnall mess with canon started and respected by SO many, all for the sake of HIMSELF. "Yes" the episode in essence wasn't "bad", but when it's title was a subversion, Captain Jack was a token cameo, and Chibnall has admitted he doesn't give a SH*T about what respectable fans think of "HIS" Canon, it kind of stands out as a low point in the history of Doctor Who. I will be VERY interested to see the ratings for Praxeus, given it will very probably have NOTHING to do with "any" of Chibnall's Retcons.

I really miss when the show was about adventure and exploration since the back half of season 7 it’s just been about retroactively bastardizing The Doctors Personal timeline and I am fed up with it. Clara getting credit for everything we loved about the Doctor, Surprise John Hurts, the 1st Doctor showing up and being a low-key sexist and now more new old Doctors because reasons. Stop retconning the past leave it alone, look to the future, move the story on create new thing and new adventures. Add to the history of the show instead of messing with it . Retroactively adding new old incarnations to the Doctors timeline DOES NOT WORK! Brain of Morbius hinted at past unseen lives and the fans soundly rejected it and The War Doctor was such a ham-fisted continuity destroying mess that he has all but been forgotten.

I think it's unfair to say the early Moffat era existed solely for plot hooks. There were still plenty of standalone episodes. Even A Good Man Goes To War also exists to make a character driven point, that The Doctor has betrayed his ideals by becoming a warrior and a symbol of fear.

It would have been cool if the Ruth doctor was the doctors granddaughter regenerated

The video we was all waiting for

0:48 Wow, you were actually right with that one

Disappointment is an emotion most treasured by us Britons and Dr Who, as an item of British entertainment has always delivered on this. The old way, and the way that has been used up until two years ago is to have a lot of rubbish or forgettable stories with the occasional good story mixed in so we know how good the show can be and how much it is failing to meet that level of quality. Moffat introduced overcomplicated story arcs that led nowhere, but created anticipation, and as an extension had entire episodes dedicated to nothing but the discussion of the story arcs which would retroactively become emitters of disappointment once the arc fell flat. Chibnall, in his genius has finally worked out a way of doing away with any good episodes, but keeping the fans from boredom (which will ultimately dull any disappointment) by creating arc episodes with tenfold the amount of anticipation packed in by sacrificing any consistency of story. The future of Dr Who and the British Dream is exciting.

I reckon Ruth is working for the Krotons to get lots and lots of other Doctors who are very clever and can fuel their space ships with their massive massive brains.

i love that you put Noel Edmunds as an alternate timeline Doctor. That would have been hilarious. Especially if his companion was Mr Blobby. Also Spyfall heavily hinted at a multiverse. So i think she's a doctor from another timeline/universe. At which point its no longer a problem of where she falls in the list of regenerations. In fact if they do go with this as an idea they could have a bunch of other actors also show up as regenerations from this other universe. Rowan Atkinson, Richard E Grant, Noel Edmunds. That DJ bloke who claimed to have been cast in the role after McCoy. Tim Curry. Hell throw in a few wildcards or obsurd fancasting too. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Dave Benson Phillips, Olivia Colman, Rupert Grint, Kris Marshall or Keith Chegwin. Saying they are incarnations from another universe which will never happen in the prime timeline would allow for some batshit crazy casting. Hell, Nigel Planer or a post-homous Rik Mayall. (Rik would have been an amazing Doctor.)

I was super impressed with the Judoon. I think the actor for the captain deserves some credit. The costume was pretty good but the actor gave him some little quirks. Little mannerisms that were cool. So far I have liked the new series a lot more than the first. Its not perfect but its been more fun. Hartnell vibes with the Tardis as well. I also liked she ragged on Jodie's costume.

Oh Wow Nostalgia Uhh Brings Back Memories

I really hope its not another "insert Doctor here", or a forgotten pre-Hartnell version. And I suspect it isn't, although it would be the easy out. "Prediciton Corner Revisited" : the annoying line in Orphan 55 about the future not having happened even when you've been in it (or whatever tripe it was that makes everything that has ever happened utterly meaningless) will be important. "ruth" is an alternate timeline Doctor who later loses their existence as the threat of ther timeless child is revealed and Gallifrey restored (again) without having been destroyed in the first place. The second option is an alternate reality Doctor, from the same realm as the Kassavin; which would allow an easier of the Master to return for the finale. As for Jack, pointless fanwank. Good to see him for sure, but all that just to deliver one line about a sole cyberman. About 10% of run time wasted on a diversion from the plot that delivered one line of potential substance. Bringing characters back is great, but use them. Like many, I'm still waiting on Carole Ann Ford doing Susan's regneration sequence, and entering the academy on Gallifrey. (No "Gallifrey" spin off from that, please.)

I’m already 100% needing a big Finnish jo Martin series it’s ok if new who fucks up the continuity big Finnish will fix it (again)

Maybe I'm just not a critic, more of an easy to please fan boy because I know this episode has falts, but I don't care, I just like the episode and oooooo shiny. And yes, I smiled when Stu changed his avatar back, I love that avatar idk why, prrobably because nostalgia

I hated the John Hurt Doctor. It was the perfect opportunity to bring back Paul McGann and unify the divergent canon (Wilderness Years) but instead they decided to do stunt casting and write fanfic. If this is more of the same I'll be upset, including the theory that she's a pre-Hartnell Doctor. Rubbish. I think the only explanation I will accept will be a divergent timeline. In fact maybe The Master's return wasn't so special after all, and he's HER Master (meaning from her timeline). We've been teased with "The Time Lords are returning" for at least a decade, and the closest we got was Hell Bent, which is hot garbage that I've done my best to scrub from my brain. Maybe the Time Lords ARE back, finally, but their return has done a real number on time itself?

First Mr TARDIS posts a review, then Stubagful?? Hell yeah

Thoughts on the final Bojack Horseman episodes Stu? Are you going make a updated top 10 Bojack Horseman episodes list Stu?

Great video

I liked this episode a lot, and the fact that it felt like a guessing game of "who is the fugitive" and then "who's Ruth" was quite entertaining, much in the way that I found BBC's Sherlock entertaining. The only thing that really bothers me is Jack momentarily popping up. Thinking of the plot it feels quite out of place, and I think I'd rather have it happen at the end of episode 4 where it would definitely feel more important instead of being overshadowed by Ruth's Doctor. But overall it brought some lovely nostalgia and was really gripping. I'm excited to see where the rest of S12 takes this!

What do you think about the rumours saying it might be a pre-Hartnell regeneration? Others say it might be between Two and Three (which would kinda make sense) but I don't imagine Chibnall would explain the circumstances behind a random story from 1969 for his story arc in 2020.

4:43 - I think the precedent was set with Utopia (of which FotJ is basically a mirror image)

You f**king nailed it

0:48 You called it

Please please please please please please do more Big Finish reviews soon 😃

Capaldi is the first doctor of the new regeneration cycle, right? Because Matt got that new cycle from the time lords.

Random thought, but why do so many earth episodes take place in modern day Britain? They could give us some fairly recent nostalgia with episodes set in 1994 Skegness.

Watching this after the finale and Oh no

Yay! I’m not the only one who wants Ruth to be 14!!!

Wait weren't the incarnations in Brain Of Mobius the diferent regenerations of The Other I must say that this is one of the best episodes we've got since series 10 and i am exited to see how hard are they going to fuck it up

I really hated this story. The bad fanfic-y writing I loathed from the Moffat era has returned yet again.

Lee was also a timelord wasn't he? Gat mentions that they went to the same training school and she is then revealed to be a timelord.

One of these days it’ll be the smoke monster...

Just found Chibnall saying this Ruth IS the Doctor and NOT an alternative universe one. So all we can do is wait and see. Interestingly she called her TARDIS her 'ship'. "The important thing to say is - she is definitively the Doctor,” he told the Mirror. “There's not a sort of parallel universe going on, there's no tricks. "Jo Martin is the Doctor, that's why we gave her the credit at the end which all new Doctors have the first time you see them. John Hurt got that credit.”

Try doing that timeline after "the timeless children"

So 3 more mistery boxes, another "new" doctor who is the same as all new who doctors and no interesting story IN the actual episode. Ye show is undead at this point.

It's really sad that ruth was a better actor than 13. It really shoots both Chibnal's choice of casting Jodi as the Doctor, and the BBC's touting her as the first female Doctor. It seems realistic that current agenda will make it that the Doctor was always a Woman to begin with (an earlier Regen-cycle perhaps) and the implosion of the shows history, for the sake of tempting new fans.

Goddamn if Hell Bent didn't ruin my ability to trust a bad finale won't freaking ruin everything that came before it. This episode is entirely dependant on what they will do with the lone Cyberman, Ruth, the Master, Gallifrey, the Timeless Child and The Secret Horrible Truth Of The Past (tm). And if they keep adding elements to be resolved in the finale there's just no way it'll be satisfying. It already seems impossible...

Ian Levine liked this episode...

So the crack in Time gave the doctor 13 more regenerations? Or was it an infinite amount? I can’t find where it was specified

Ruth being the 14th (16th) Doctor doesn't make sense because of the Gallifrey stuff. She has to either be a different universe or past Doctor

Why would a "break in case of fire" emergency switch be housing the Doctor when any old sod on duty might need to break it?! (Not the best backup plan...)

7:54 absolutely spot-on.

The First Doctor is actually the 13th incarnation of his original set, but forgot his original 12 & believes Hartnell to be his original life. Bam. Ruth can fit between 2 and 3 without messing with the lore too much.

Hey you've caught up to the current episode

If they do some dumb shit and retcon Hartnell as not being the First Doctor, I'm out. I definitely want Jo Martin as Fourteen. I liked her for sure.

I’ll give Chibnall his dues for at least trying to throw caution to the wind to try and break his own convention but I did say after Spyfall that destroying Gallifrey was sticking his head in the lion’s mouth and if this arc plays out as astronomically wrong as it has the potential to, there will be NO END of hell to pay for it...

Major plot hole i just thought of. The Judoon are nowhere near powerful enough to just chase after the Doctor. No alien race would dare. If the Daleks and Cybermen treat the Doctor with caution, why would the Judoon think they could just turn up and arrest him?

People are jumping the gun, way to fucking early saying that it's disrespecting William Hartnell's legacy. The general consensus at this point, is that the Ruth doctor is an incarnation before his, but; Most people don't seem to take into consideration that this is the middle episode of the series. We still have a 2 part series finale that could rectify this and explore it further. Saying with such definition that it is disrespecting Hartnell's legacy at this point is soo fucking stupid, and is a sign that people are wanting to hate this series in my opinion.

My guess was parallel universe, too. You start screwing with time and space that much and things are bound to splinter off and do their own thing. Ruth!Doctor should probably be called *ruthless* Doctor because she was vicious compared to Whitaker's. I've said that 13 reminds me a bit of 5 and 8; 5 and 8 were the sweethearts with a larger than usual contingent of Companions and rubbish luck. Well, Ruth!Doctor reminded me of 6 or 7; the ones who were good at alienating their Companions and utterly merciless to enemies.

I like this episode and the twist was cool but it just feels very fan fiction. I hope Ruth isn't Pre-Hartnell as it would ruin the character development of the first Doctor as at first he was rude, selfish and initially he had no desire in being a hero but he slowly became the compassionate but adventurous character that we've come to know today. Also the First Doctor was surprised that the TARDIS was stuck as a police box and he didn't really know how to fully operate the TARDIS. Hopefully Chibnall isn't doing this twist for shock value and that he has a idea on how he wanted to conclude this mystery.

umm i think this is too much mystery for 1 series but im interested if this will be tied up together

I do wonder if things go south with this Ruth Doctor if Chibnall will use the Ghost Monument to say hey yeah the Doctor and her companions go teleported to another reality so all of my mess ups don't count.

Please be the smoke monster

To be fair it’s not entirely new who’s fault that the timeline disappeared up its own arse. Russel never intended the meta crisis doctor to count and it’s purely Moffat and chibnall who made fan fiction opposed to normal doctor who.

Why ARE there polar bears on the island?

I also hated how the companions are yet again doing nothing here! They get teleported to Jack's ship and then stand there... For the entire episode... At least I would've had them running around the ship trying to keep it running while Jack expositions / instructs them via ear pieces. That would've at least got them doing something other than just standing there... starting... doing absolutely nothing useful

Feel like when a new showrunner inevitably looks to revive the show, they will look at all these "secret regenerations" as overly complicated and may be tempted just to reboot the series to make it simpler for mainstream audiences, whilst also having the benefit of reintroducing a lot of the concepts.

How does Jo Martin's incarnation fit it? *The Doctor's timeline* _First Cycle_ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 War 9 10 10 (Meta-Crisis) 11 _Second Cycle_ 12 13 Theory 1 = Jo Martin's incarnation is 14 Theory 2 = Alternate Realities are colliding (My Favourite Theory) Theory 3 = Season 6B secret Doctor in between 2 & 3 that makes the Meta-Crisis irrelevant Theory 4 = Split Regeneration Theory 5 = Mandela Effect Theory 6 = She is from the future but not 14 but further away like The Valeyard Theory 7 = She comes before 1 (I hate this theory)