This Rorry guy is actually brain dead 😂 Wenger had to sell his players while mourunho had the best players in the world. Van persie was injury prone at Arsenal

Not an arsenal fan, but i hate this "wenger no trophies" blurb. Few would say paisley > shankly (just at liverpool), yet paisley won more trophies. Its a very modern "trophy hype" way to look at things.

That team that Wenger had that he was getting top 4 with Chamack, Eboue, Bendtner, is hilarious

What Wenger was able to do from '06 up until probably 2016/17 with Arsenal, keeping them in the Champions League etc with those squads (Especially towards the end of his tenure) was nothing short of miraculous. On the flipside, the football he had Arsenal playing from 1996 to 2006 was unreal, revolutionised English football. Both points stand firm and I don't think Mourinho could have done either. Take nothing away from Mou though, top top class manager but success always followed after big money spent, in my opinion. Wenger third best PL manager of all time.

Mourinho arrived only just before Arsenal moved to the emirates, when Arsenal started spending almost nothing while Mourinho could spend at will with no FFP. Still managed to keep them in the top 4, whereas Mourinho had the most expensive squads and would win a league but if not for sackings might have left Chelsea closer to where they are now.

How is this even a comparison? Mourinho is a serial winner in multiple countries, leagues and clubs and the biggest challenger to what was the best football team in history in Barca

Get the facts correct, Wenger had 8 seasons without a trophy but even though Arsenal have not won a title in 20 years but that's still the shortest, longest gap, Man U went 26 years without a title, Liverpool 30 years, Man City about 42, Chelsea 50 and Spurs 63 and still counting.

Adam gained a new found respect for sticking up for Wenger and we all know how he hates Arsenal

Mourinho would be sacked 16 times in 20 years

It’s gotta be Wenger for me. He was something special. Changed the ideology and fundamentals of football to which all managers around him and after took to his principles. Unbelievable tactician. Fiercely loyal and didn’t give up when things became difficult within the club. What he was able to accomplish with the squad he had and the owners he had to contend with was nothing short of shear brilliance!

I think what wenger was able to do with the squads arsenal had after 2012 was highly under rated. Imagine wenger got the backing arteta has back then.

Just imagine if Wenger was given proper investment, he was an unbelieveable manager before 2014

WENGER CHANGED THE PREMIER LEAGUE. Rory get out of your pram son.

If you want to improve your team defensively - Mourinho is your guy. If you want the manager to be a coach and also a youth-team coach and also a general manager and also a president and also a media person - you go with Wenger.

I think it’s so much closer, how come no one keeps in mind Jose got to spend $400 million in both Chelsea spells then almost $500 million in his ManU spell. How can we ignore the money Chelsea and Man City have spent the last 13 years and look at those two teams dominating the last decade. If you count Jose’s exploits outside the Prem he’s easily a better manager, but within the Prem Wenger worked miracles.

Wenger changed football philosophy in ways in England and mourinho changed mentality/the way we thought of winning/how to win win at all costs, wenger beautiful football etc mourinho changed our views on defensive football

Is this only Prem? Or all time? If it's all time, it is Mourinho by far. Won a European Cup with Porto with players mostly from mid-table Portuguese sides and Deco, won a treble with Inter beating Pep's Barca, 95 pts and 15 goals conceded at Chelsea whilst also retaining the title and did well at Madrid, getting 100 points(Only team to get it alongside Vilanova's Barca in 2013).

Got my respect for Adam now , my boy knows ball

If Wenger hadn’t sacrificed his glory to build the Emirates… he’d have won at least 5 more titles and a champions league.

I feel quite bad for Adam in this video. He was saying genuine points, yet Rory seemed to absolutely refute every single one just because he could mention Chelsea. Arsene Wenger is astronomically clear of Mourinho in the Premier League.

It makes no sense when people say only money helped Mourinho, when he won the UEFA Cup and Champions League with a Porto team operating on an annual budget of peanuts and a bag of chips.

With Mourinho fanboys it's more about his personality than anything else. Bro is so finished nowadays.

I feel like people overrate Wenger. He a Prem legend, but I wouldn’t say he’s on the same level or greater than Mourihno. What Jose achieved transcends him, Porto alone makes him a goat manager

These guys should debate about Wenger when they have gone through the process of building a big modern stadium without external finance and maintained same consistency of results as Wenger did with sub par players. Then they should compare Mourinho and Guardiola to him... These guys cannot undertake and deliver such projects... they can just take easy money.

Depends on what you want, Wenger pretty much changed the way teams played at that time and had his own brand of very attractive football, also crazy how he got top 4 consistently towards the end with some of the squads he had to work with. Of course Arsenal fans wanted him sacked for that but that’s a different conversation. Mourinho on the other hand was just a serial winner, might not be the greatest football to watch but he mostly got the job done and won everything there is to win. Tough choice but I’d go with Josè simply because you can’t deny that record and the season where his Chelsea team only conceded like 16 goals and had that absurd home record where they didn’t lose for like 4 years is more impressive than the invincible season in my opinion.

City has had the best team in the world on top of having a huge budget for years now and only just managed to win the Champions league after so many tries. Wenger had the best team in the world for a couple of years only and after they moved to the Emirates when they had already regressed they had to change their whole team and continue for a decade with limited funds. Give Wenger the resources Pep has had since he's been at City (7 years) with the team he had back then and there's no way he wouldn't win the European Cup

Mourinho is so washed, but it's def Mourinho > Wenger by a small margin. Pep is the GOAT though.

Wenger was massively handicapped by the Emirates move, what he was able to do with pretty much having to spend 0 and sell his best players year after year is mental and people completely disregard that, everyone else was spending whatever they wanted and Wenger couldn't and still finished top 4 damn near every year.

Mourinho's Different Class considering he won approximately Double the Silverware especially them miracles Jose worked with Porto combined with an extremely one sided head to head record in Jose's favour over Wenger.

Mourinho winning CL with porto and winning the EL before that alone is a compelling case

All I know is the Arsenal v Man Utd games are still some of my favorite Premier league games as well as that amazing FA cup game.

The streets know it's Wenger.

Rory is an expert at handpicking certain things to suit his narrative. Conveniently leaves a lot out

Not mentioning the corruption in that final v Barcelona is fraudulent behavior lol

Wenger: “no money” Also Wenger: *highest paid manager in the world*

The European cup final will always haunt Arsenal…. In todays game Eto is offside and I’d hope some of the ref’s decisions would be called up by VAR 😂 as good as that Barca team were it was bent. Drogba knew it we all knew it. I keep hearing inter Milan… we were the first English team to beat them at the san Siro! RVP? Sent off in a European tie for kicking a ball a few seconds after a whistle was blown.

With what arsene had to work with in those years after 04 he did better than most would have also changed the football landscape when he arrived and everyone laughed at him

Adam GOT THE ONLY BRAIN CELLS IN THE ROOM

Rory has said the 6-0 story so many times it has become tiring. Yes we know what happened Rory.

Give Mourinho and Pep the budget and the players that was given to Arsen in his period post 2006 and lets see if they can play the way his team played and stay in top 4.. Rorry is just salty his team now is in the gutter.

Wenger was class at developing players, he got top 4 with players like Jenkinson and Chamakh😂😂😂😂

Look at the players wenger had when we lost 6-0 it was the worst squad I’ve seen

If Jose tops Wenger by Rory's logic, then Pep tops Fergie. Rory is saying that Jose is a better manager (something I agree with), thus he's "more relevant" in the eyes of the League's history. By that logic Pep is superior to Fergie. With unlimited resources, no one beats Pep, so if we go by who's the better manager, then it goes to Pep, hands down. If, however, we properly consider what each manager has CONTRIBUTED towards the league-the metric I think the argument should be based around-then it goes: Fergie, Wenger, Pep, then Jose. Wenger brought in tenfold more spectators to the League than either Pep and Jose; his contributions will outlive every other manager bar Fergie in this respect. Jose and Pep are "better" managers, but neither have shown (yet) they have the ability to last sustain a club in the ways that Fergie and Wenger have.. In all fairness, I do think because of how great Pep has already been in his 7 years, his impact is greater than Wenger: he has influenced more managers/teams in the League (and outside the League) than any other manager, and that includes Fergie. I personally believe the real "rankings" goes: Fergie, Pep, Wenger, then Hose. Pep will go down as the greatest manager in terms of football knowledge, ability to develop players and squads, etc. But that's just one man's opinion...

For me they’re fairly close but for completely different reasons. Jose has the wealth of trophies but the second half of Wengers tenure was more him managing the club itself rather than just the squad. Both are top 10 of all time

Jose vs Wenger what splits them is invincible

Mourinho is a mentality beast , the final against Barcelona which arsenal lost , I think a Mourinho team would have pulled through even with 10 players and we have already seen that. So if you want to build a system - wenger but if you want to win at all cost - Mourinho .

They were both fantastatic but they were NEVER competing on a level playing field. For the seasons that they competed against each other as managers of Arsenal and Chelsea: 2004-2007 and 2013-Dec2015. Wenger's transfer expenditure was €255.71 Million and Mourinho's expenditure was €702.63 Million. It's no surprise Mourinho dominated the head-to-head when he could spend at 3x the rate that Wenger could.* *Figures from transfermarkt so in euros and take with a pinch of salt.

Porto - Won multiple european trophies. Inter - dominated the league and won the CL eliminating one of the best Barca sides. Chelsea - built the winning & ruthless mentality and core of the team that would serve them for 10-15 years. There is no debate. Wenger was a good manager for a period of time, but overall does not compare. 'Yeah, but money!' - He won the Europa League(Uefa cup) & Champions League with a team that had 1/10 of the budget Arsenal had. Arsenal's decline in status and lack of European Pedigree has a lot to do with Wenger. Mourinho > Wenger any day of the week.

Who thought adam would have the best take on arsenal and wenger ?.

The way id settle it is. If you have the champions league final tomoz who would you want to manage your team to win it. And its clearly mourinho all day. Big game manager knows how to win and knows how to get a result. It isnt pretty to watch but who cares if you win.

Don Revie’s Leeds won loads, but other than Leeds fans, no one remembers them fondly. Holland’s team in the 70s won nothing but are much more fondly remembered by all football fans. The same will be true of Mourinho’s and Wenger’s legacy.

Adam can't decide whether this is a "contributions to the PL" debate or better manager debate There's no reason to say you'd rather have Wenger at ManU than Mourinho, his success globally shows he's clearly the better manager. But if you're debating who had a more lasting impact then fine Wenger. But Mourinho's stints at Inter and Porto clearly show what he can do with less, so the "one had money, one didn't" argument is tiresome.

I’ve never agreed so much with Adam ever I don’t think. Mourinho was an amazing manager, but his second stint with Chelsea and first with United and Tottenham have to account more than what Rory is giving credit for, but Rory isn’t completely wrong either.

I cant rate a manager that destroyed so many dressing rooms and has been sacked like four times so far in his career

Mourinho was a specialist with a cheque book but failed when things got hard, wenger put the club over his personal ambitions, many clubs wanted him and would have given him the resources to succeed but he remained at Arsenal and git us through the turbulent times while keeping us in the champions league, that was close to a miracle.. Mourinho has made more money from getting sacked then from his contract 😂stunts at united and spurs tells u he needs money and the best players to succeed

2 managers that found it hard to evolve...both were caught in timewarps in terms of their teams playing styles. Couldn't adapt.

Who at Man utd decided to go for aged strikers: cavani, falcao, Ronaldo, ibra...? When will the owners take responsibility for those they employ

Give Wenger Roman Abramovic and see what would have happened.

Not often i agree with Adam but he's 100% right on this. Jose was great but Wenger would have won trophies at Chelsea with the money spent.

How does the Manu guy have a fairer assessment on this topic than everyone else. This is totally mental. When we talk the pl what comes to mind is Wenger and Ferguson period. Pep however great he is has had the resources to achieve. Barcelona great n coached the hell out of it with its fantastic academy graduates but in bayern failed to lift the cl and with his assembled city greats struggled to get that cl. Just like we've seen mourinho post chelsea struggle at utd n spurs. Bro wenger in top 4 with sanogo, welbeck cmon mans

I think you have to make a distinction between the two in terms of roles. Mourinho better coach, Wenger the better manager. There are very few that can do what Mourinho does in terms of short term impact. His catalogue of trophies speak for itself. However.. its not pretty. He leaves absolute chaos in his wake and generally leaves behind a hell of mess for someone to clean up. He has a formula that is impactful and works, short term. Wenger, to be fair, did join Arsenal and make pretty fast impact. He took the team from midtable to 3rd in his first season and won a double in his second season. However, he never won a european trophy. If Wenger had left clubs every 3 year to join a new one, he would not have had the same success as Mourinho. But Mourinho is equally incapable of staying at a club for more then 3 years to have long term success with them. Wenger was able to comprimise, he understood he could not always get his own way, pushed to get what he could, and worked with what was given. That it going to happen at any club. Mourinho cannot accept that. He has to get what he wants, when he wants, or he is gone. During the transition period from Highbury to the Emirates, there was naturally going to a period where success as going to be hard to impossible to come by because Arsenal would be finanically shackled, whilst United continued to spend huge sums as they always had done and Chelsea were also now awash with cash. City then rocked up with the financial muscle too, making its a near impossibility to succeed. But he managed to keep the side good enough to always compete, always get into europe, ensure they Arsenal didn't collapse in a financial tailspin. Mourinho absolutely could not have done what Arsene did. Its ultimately what makes it so difficult to really place Wenger. Alex spent a similar amount of time at United, but he was always given the tools to compete. Wenger chose to stay out a loyalty, knowing he would not have to tools. In the 8 year period from 96 to 2004, where he was given enough resources to be able to compete with anyone else in the league, he won 3 League titles and 4 Cup titles, whilst being up against the manager most everyone regards the best of all times guiding a team that had a one in a million youth intake come through at the same time. That pretty damn good. I believe his also won more FA cups then any other manager.

Should be more balanced have both Arsenal and Chelsea fans on the panel. One manager was more ruthless and ultimately more successful. One changed English football forever and built the Emirates. Different managers with different legacies.

What I've noticed in the comments section is that the same fanbase who were hounding Wenger out of their club also think he did a fantastic job with Arsenal in that period considering the lack of backing he had. Make sense of it please!

Not really fair to say that mourinho profited from abramhovic and not say similar things about Guardiola with city's owners

Things started to go down hill when he built the stadium and also when David Dein left if those two things hadnt of happened Wenger would have won so much more but thats ifs and buts its obviously Jose

Yes. This isn't even a debate. It's a fact. Mourinho is better than Wenger.

The randomly placed super 6 ad is jarring. Put it at the beginning or end of the video (or both)

Mou the goat 3 premier league titles In 6 seasons same as Arsene Wenger who had 20 seasons 4 league cups which Wenger has never won 1 Europa league no European trophy for Wenger The only cups Arsene Wenger done better is fa cup with 7 while mou has 1 .

It's unbelievable how they just strip everything away from its context! Wenger deserves way more respect! When things didn't work for Guardiola initially he spent 40m+ on each of four full-backs! He just signed Gvardiol for a 100m making him the most expensive defender ever after signing Haaland last year on astronomical wages! Wenger was never on the same financial support as his opponents! Not Man Utd let alone Abramovich's Chelsea later on! Ferdinand cost United more than Wenger spent on Lehmann, Lauren, Toure, Cambpell, Cole, Ljungberg, Gilberto, Vieira and Pires! The entire starting defence and midfield he went invincible with! Ferguson got to spend more than their price combined on one of his defenders! And then after his two doubles and invincibility the club had crazy financial limitations where they couldn't even pay their top players top wages and they kept leaving one after another yet he stayed and kept the ship stable and stayed in the top 4 playing some of the most beautiful football ever! If positions were switched and Guardiola was there where Wenger was not able to spend money I don't know that Guardiola would've been able to do any better!

Had someone invested all their savings into setting up a horse drawn carriage business at the turn of the 20th century, it would've been termed a blunder. But with the benefit of hindsight. How were someone to know that a motorcar would render their business useless? Wenger and Arsenal invested a lot of money in a new stadium because it was the right thing to do at the time. No one could've foreseen that a Russian billionaire would change English football forever.

So Mourinho going to Man Utd and Spurs doesn't affect his pl legacy but Wenger last ten years do?! Lol ok

Wenger as a manager was much better than Jose. Wenger changed English football, when he came with the new revolutionary way of sport science. Wenger brought all these not so good players from France, turned them world class. Had Mourinho swapped places with Wenger. Jose would’ve never achieved what Wenger did with his budget. Chelsea bought the leagues, as the only club with all this money. I don’t rate Jose personally as a great manager. He had all the money at Chelsea, Real & Inter

At their peaks they both changed the game but Jose’s lows are so much worse than wengers

People speak of Pep as a master tactitian. But most forget how Mourinho was the Master at a 1-0 win or steam roll through teams 5-0+. CFC conceded only 15 goals in 04/05. Treble in Italy and La Liga is Spain. This was before Pep. He was too good and people forget. He came in and called himself the special one and did all of this. Man's is great

Mourinho wouldn’t have gotten top 4 with that Arsenal team? What about what he did at United with a more difficult league?

All i know is that if wenger was spending mad money like Chelsea and united back then, we'd be having a completely different debate

Jose won the game in the press conference

Im a Chelsea fan and think Wenger ranks above Jose. Jose got sacked 4 times by 3 clubs in the prem. The invincible team is on par with Jose's 04/05 15 goal conceded side. Though Wenger may outstayed his welcome, i think he changed the prem for the better. Whereas Jose had a spell on top. For me its 1. Ferguson 2. Pep 3. Wenger 4. Jose 5. Klopp

Common Rory Wenger had metersacker ,Socrates and kosceiliny as his centre backs ....and still finished top 4 .....no disrespect to the players bt comparing to the other big clubs that time this was a small budget squad

It's what you value, build a club with a sound future, or win multiple trophies quickly. Both are greats of the game. Wenger never won the European cup. Mourinho never developed a very good player into a world class one, like what Wenger did with Henry. Prime Mourinho came and set the bar in the PL, but I feel Ranieri could have done very well with the team that was assembled, I'm sure he was the one that bought Cech and Robben, both were unbelievable when I saw them live Robben was actually better that Ronaldo at that time, and mourinho failing to keep Robben onside cost him his job imo.

Sir alex Ferguson and arsen wenger are two of the best managers we have ever seen due to the other factors that surrounded their successes

Nobody remembers Mourinho's title wins really. Maybe the first one that's about it. Mourinho and Chelsea will never have an iconic title win like Wenger had in 2004.

These debates are so hard…. One has unlimited money the other didn’t.

It wasn’t that heated but Adam was the level headed one and what he said made sense.

If it’s overall legacy yep it’s mourinho undoubtedly but if it’s just premier league legacy it has to be wenger for me like when wenger moved to emirates he was spending literally nothing at all and forget the trophies and all mourinho got sacked by 3 prem clubs lads like it isn’t a joke ,his behaviour ruined so many dressing rooms and yet none liked him wenger sacrificed his own legacy and career path just for his loyalty ,I mean for me in terms of iconic it’s fergie then wenger then pep then mourinho for me atleast

Wenger would win lot more with the resources of what mourinho had .

In the Premier League only it's Wenger all day long....he barely had a pot to piss in for the most part and he is still the only manager to go invincible in the league and the cosistency with which he qualified for the Champions League can not be understated. On a European level then it's clearly Jose by miles...trophies galore in every league he's managed in.....i still put Jose above Pep because yes he has managed with limitless resources Chelsea,Utd,Madrid,Inter....but he's also done it on a budget at Porto and Roma....Pep has only ever known the top team and or blank cheques

Why us the guy with five sackings in the conversation?

Mourinho doesn't have the legacy that Wenger has in Premier League. Nowhere near for me. And I'm Spurs fan.

When people talk about you. You are in their heads.

Mourinho's record at Inter is overrated. That was an expensive squad stacked with big names. Just look how he failed at Madrid with a squad that went on to win 3 UCLs after he left. The curtain has been drawn back on Mourinho the last 10 years and he's clearly a worse manager than Wenger.

Wenger is only behind sir Alex for prem managers. Pep and klopp are getting close, and then mourinho imo.

Mourinho came in and sidelined the whole league and won it with an unbreakable defence. Wenger worked wonders with limited resources. Longevity you have to give it to Wenger. Before money was such a focal point in football, Wenger did bits in English football. Following onwards when money became more central than ever, he maintained a top four position with a team that I doubt any other manager over such a long period of time could do the same with. In short, Wenger is more likely to achieve Mourinho’s success with a huge budget than Mourinho is able to sail the ship at Arsenal.

ETO got the winner against arsenal. Rory is a Chelsea fan. Figured lol.

HEATED DEBATE?? Listening to this was like sitting in a library 🤣🤣

If Mourinho is 3rd then Pep is 1st guys. If you guys ignore the consistency of Wenger at Prem then you should do it for Fergie too.

Can't compare what Wenger did for Arsenal vs unlimited funds Chelsea under Mourinho

Not enough credit being given to Wenger for maintaining Arsenal as a top four, champions league club for so long. Just look at how Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs etc. have all ping-ponged in & out the top four over the past decade. Consistency is the biggest challenge. Anyone can win things once or twice but to win repeatedly, again & again is the toughest challenge. That’s what sets SAF apart. While Wenger wasn’t winning, he did maintain a consistent level time & time again. Nine years in a row in the Top 3 and twenty years in a row in the Top 4. That is remarkable consistency and rightly marks him out as an elite coach.

Thank you Adam McKola

Just epl wenger and fergie are the goats no matter wat rory mourinho was normal nothing is attached to him he is a normal guy