Thank god Brian was in that room, else they’d be having the most dumb conversation ever

Pep managed Barca B and got them promoted before he got the Barca job. Also, if these top jobs are so easy, why do other managers not achieve the same level of success?

Klopp is still the last non-Bayern Munich manager to win the Bundesliga (twice in a row). Klopp brought the League title to a club that hadn't won it in the last 30 years. Klopp won the UCL title with a non league winning team while Pep hasn't done it with two league winners. Klopp pushed against a side that had much more than twice his team's budget, winning the league once and finishing just 1 point behind twice. It's true that Liverpool are sort of burnt out now, but Klopp is still my pick of the two.

“400m on forwards”😂😂😂 he needs to be held accountable for that

Both great managers but people need to remember how bad Liverpool were when klopp took over. Not to mention what he did with Dortmund. City were winning titles before pep and they will win titles after pep. The same can’t be said about Liverpool and klopp.

Bro... They can't be compared because Klopp hasn't taken a winning team and had that pressure to improve it. And Pep hasn't rebuild any team from scratch and with a limited budget. Pep took a team that had won the Champions League two seasons prior. Rijkaard brought Barcelona to the spotlight, Ronaldinho, Deco, etc. Pep took them to another level Pep took a trebble winning Bayern Munich and didn't take them to another level. Pep took a City team that had won 2 titles in the last 4 seasons with two 2nd places. Pellegrini and Mancini were the ones that took City from bottom to the top. Pep went in and spent as much as those two put together... and took them to another level. Pep haven't done what Klopp did at Dortmund and at Liverpool. And Klopp hasn't done what Pep has done. Pep has improved players, yes. Klopp too. Lewandowski, Gotze, Reus, Gundogan, Hummels, etc. Mané, Salah, Firmino, Trent, Robbo... bro, come on. Besides, Klopp's Dortmund was the last team that took Bayern off their perch in Germany and won the EPL for Liverpool for the first time in 30 years. And has played 3 UCL finals in 5 years. This guy comparing Liverpool's spending with City is plain dumb. Pep has spent twice as much as Klopp since coming in.

The other two guests don’t get the financial situation at Liverpool and think klopp manages the funds 😂😂😂😂

No point in comparing the two until Pep steps down to a team that needs a rebuild on a limited budget, or until FSG starts giving Klopp whatever he wants financially

Personally I feel klopp loves having the "underdog" status. That is his identity as a manager

True geordie: Pep has spent over 1 billion pounds at Manchester city over 7 seasons and still hasn't won the champions league Craig:How much was Alvarez tho .😂😂😂

In my opinion I believe both a on a par. And it's genuinely down to the fact that I think both have differences in strengths. I believe Pep has his sides playing better football, but Klopp has made some bang average players look like absolute world beaters. I think if you got both managers to assemble a team of exactly what they want, it would be close but Pep probably edges it. And if you got both teams to assemble a team on a limited budget I think Klopp would edge it. Who I choose is completely down to either of those two circumstances, but even then, it's close. Even though I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm a big admirer of Pep and I don't actually care if people prefer him, but it's pure ignorance to ignore the brilliance of Klopp and make out he's not on that level, because he definitely is.

The debate should be who's more insufferable, Marvin or Craig?

Hold on, what did people actually say when Liverpool signed Salah? No one thought he would be a superstar including Liverpool fans.

Pep’s influence on football alone sets him apart from the others. He changed the way football was played in Spain Germany and the “best league in the world” EPL. Players and understudy managers that were under pep are making strides to becoming great managers. Who else has done that apart from cruyff

Literally nothing Marvin said made sense in this clip

Imagine a manager needing players to win trophies

Ridiculous to compare the paths taken by these coaches. One started with a winning team with a bottomless pocket and the other took a dead team with no budget. Come on man!

0:46 WTF is Brian going on about Roy Hodgson for? He'd left 5 years before Klopp became Liverpool manager? Clueless

The fact that Klopp hasn't been able to rebuild due to the lack of transfer budget says it all. If he'd had unlimited funds like Pep has, then Liverpool wouldn't be in the situation they are now with the midfield no longer having the legs and all aging out. We would already have Bellingham and other top young players in to replace them. Pep has been playing Football Manager with unlimited funds turned on for his whole career... And if you've ever tried that you'll know it makes things a whole lot easier to win.

Craig said take away the nuances... face palm

Marvin, let me guess... Drogba didn't win the Ballon d'Or because he was black?

I think Pep is a greater tactician than Klopp but there's no better man-manager in football than Jurgen. Context matters in terms of achievement; yes, Liverpool spent 142 million on a keeper and a centre half but only because Coutinho. The argument that Liverpool have spent less is not that they haven't spent anything. The fact that Klopp has been able to consistently push and, at the time of writing, have a more varied trophy haul than Guardiola's City, is an achievement in itself. Regardless of who you think's better, it is undeniable that this is an era of a great Premier League rivalry. I mean, just look at the head 2 head.

When they have the same budged go compare until then Klopp did more

What is this Arsenals fan’s problem with Klopp? I bet when it comes to Arteta, he gets over excited about Arteta’s ability and goes on and on about him. Klopp has achieved it all at LFC and on a fraction of the budget Pep has. Watch there be a Pep vs Arteta debate be done in a year or two and this Arsenal fan will back Arteta to the hilt when he’s nowhere near the levels of Kloppbor Pep.

Is Raineri a better manager than Klopp because Klopp spent way more, but they have the same amount of PL titles?

No one's talking about City's potential treble because no one cares about them doing it. Pep's greatest season at City was the domestic treble and it's never mentioned by anyone.

Remember Brian Clough. Did it with Derby and Forest.

This conversation actually annoyed me because of the sheer stupidity of the two guys speaking against Brian, Klopp had spent less but FSG only lets him spend when they realise that the team is down to the barebones with players ageing or big time injuries etc whereas with Pep walked into to a star studded team and can ease players into his system a season before they even get game time and everyone he signs isn't a risk they're all players everyone knows is good, where Liverpool have to take more risks in the market and try find a diamond in the rough... both unbelievable managers and pep tactically is the best but I don't think he can get the best out of lower quality players and klopp can through motivation and the tactic he deploys because it stems off hard work

For once truegeordie is right. For example VVD AND ALISSON were bought with countinho money that cost Liverpool 3.5 mil.

I love Marvin but he has a howler today

When having this debate I always look at this way, if pep became lfc manager instead of klopp and had to work on the same budget starting with the same squad would he have done better or worse

Switched off when Geordie said Phillips was 50m. He was 42m but as usual, he never does any research and lies to suit his narrative. It’s no wonder everyone’s ditched him.

No manager in history has had the resources Pep has had available to him at city. It’s not just money to spend on players, the entire organisation is primed for success with unlimited funds. And he still hasn’t won the champions league.

Pep has been manager of the favorites to win the champions league 10 out of the last 11 seasons (back to Bayern days) and hasn’t won a single one. Then his team goes out and spends 100 mil every summer

Tends to be when klopp hasn't got bedsheet money. Cannot listen to people around a table who have the football knowledge of an Ant.

Pep is the football genius! And Klopp is an incredible man manager

It's crazy we forget that Pep won the league playing without a regular striker and just did it after kicking both his LBs out... Pep is out of this world, take it or leave it. How many of you were rooting for Cancelo when Pep took him up. Journalists were writing about how Rodri was a failed Pep signing just two seasons ago. Pep refused to overpay for Sanchez, Maguire, Cucurella...

Fergie beat Real Madrid with Aberdeen, don’t try and put Pep on his level hahaha

It’s impossible to compare them. I personally am more impressed by Klopps jobb at Liverpool than Peps job at City, but both have done brilliantly. And btw, «400m in attackers» is horseshit. It’s about 200m spent over 8 years (Firmino in 2015, Salah in 2017, Jota in 2020, Diaz and Nunez in 2022 and Gakpo in 2023). The fact that Pep can make a 50m flop signing in Phillips with zero repercussions tells a lot.

The £400 million on forwards is a terrible lack of research for a football show. Salah £35 mil, Firmino £29 mil, Jota £41 mil, Gakpo £40 mil, Núñez £64 mil, Diaz £37.5 mil which is £246.5 mil since Firmino joined in 2015 so an average of £30 mil a season spent on a forward since the first of those was signed. Klopp has always managed on a budget, he hasn’t always got it spot on but when we make a costly mistake it takes a couple of years to put it right.

I mean... as the comments say. Klopp will always be the better manager. sure pep has won more trophies but look at how he's done it. he inherited the teams/money which if each season he slightly underperformed he could fix those problems easy. klopp has went into teams with limited money and broken teams and made them go onto win big and better things look at mainz. I think if pep went to leeds he would probably stress and quit after 2 seasons. Klopp when he has off seasons he's unlikely able to fix them in a window straight away. he has to take time and make enough money to fix the important problems

Pep has changed how football is played across the world. Split centr back and tiki taka and all that. He then came to England where everyone said you can't play like that in the Premier League and he did it. So much so that many clubs try to play like Pep's team. Not to mention that he manages the egos of this big players, which is a whole other thing. I think he does not get enough credit for it

Guy mentioned gerrard in the conversation of Messi

Guardiola has managed Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City... 3 of the easiest jobs in football management because of recourses and club prestige. Why does no one ever talk about this?

Glad i stopped watching this rubbish after last year. Someone needs to tell these guys that being louder or shouting doesn't make you right. Brian coming out with valid points. Give Pep & Klopp the same budget, Jurgen wins hands down

Pep’s Barca under investigation for paying refs, Pep’s city under investigation for financial doping…

Klopp is clear of Guardiola it’s not even a debate , pep did great at barca bcz of the players even then he had some questionable defeats there especially in UCL failed at Bayern & spent 1B in City to win the same things that managers like mancini won

Marvin trying to drop yet another racial critique in, tell me when drogba ever deserved to win a balon dor ffs 🤦🏻‍♂️

Agree with True Geordie, it’s like F1, if you have the best car because of money you clearly have an advantage even if talent is equal. (Not to mention that money wrecked the league balance)

If pep can win a European trophy with Aberdeen I’ll say he’s the best until then he can carry on spending 100s of millions to dope their way to trophies

People saying Liverpool spent on van dijk and alisson like fsg gave him money. We sold Coutinho our best player at that time to get that money.

Players win Champions Leagues, systems AND players win you leagues.

Klopp brought two clubs back to the top of European football from being in the dark

PEP is a GENIUS manager best in the world even klopp will say the same.

Many managers go to the best clubs with the best players and still fail

If Liverpool backed Klopp like how Pep is backed at City we’ll be witnessing something similar to prime Barca vs Prime Real😂

Neither one is anywhere near finished. So the rivalry continues as far as I’m concerned 🤷🏽‍♂️ That being said, although I prefer Pep’s tactics. True Geordie’s point about Klopp doing more(or at least as much) with less does linger in the mind🤔

Those two guys in the middle are incredibly dense. Pep could never achieve what Klopp did, with the same resources. It's crazy how comfortable they are, to be that disrespectful.

That sir Alex slander is awful pep will never compare to fergie ever facts

Literally nobody is saying Pep isn't a true great. The facts are that Klopp has had to operate with smaller budgets than Pep and put up with teams poaching his best players. Pep can keep refreshing his side easily, he has unlimited funds FFS. Klopp has to make signings where he can. He's also not helped by players who are more injured than they are available.

That guy with the bald head doesn’t have a clue about football; the statistics he was using about Nunez price etc were completely false

When performing analysis you need to look at the nuances. And due to those nuances the gap between Pep and Klopp is microscopic, no matter who you rate higher.

These young arrogant fans should look up a former manager of Liverpool, Bob Paisley. The trophies he picked up in his time at the club, is staggering. Legend.

Why are these guys acting like Salah ,VVD , Allison etc where at their UCL and premier league winning form before joining Liverpool 💀

To me personally what Klopp has done with that Liverpool side has been far more impressive than what Pep has done with City. I don't see how a team can be praised hailed so much with no European cup and massive let downs in said tournament. Imo give Klopp that budget and he's dominating no doubt in my mind

Man said Klopp took over Hodgson's team who was sacked nearly 5 years before Klopp came in 😭

Pep has had about 300 odd mil more in net spend than kloop at Liverpool. It's always helped by the fact Liverpool managed to sell Coutino for 140 mil and city always have to pay a premium to get any players. And then compare the squad right now. Liverpool needs a full rebuild where as City can go with this squad slowly rebuilding and winning at the same time.

That Marvin guy is embarrassing, klopps won more UCLs than in arsenals entire history 😂😂😂😂

I use to love this show but now a lot of people come on here and make points without knowing what the situation was, Liverpool HAD to buy Gakpo, their forward line was massively injured after the world cup because Jota was still out Diaz was supposed to be back but got injured again in training, and Firmino got injured, leaving them with just Nunez and Salah as the only forwards which isn’t nearly enough considering they had to deal with those injuries up until about late February, if they don’t sign Gakpo it would be way worse than what it is now, plus Firmino was getting old and there was already a feeling he would leave in the summer so it was also good for them to revamp the forward line by adding Gakpo And again about the Pep Klopp debate, both are all time great managers, Pep has way more league titles than Klopp but rightfully so he’s been at the biggest clubs everywhere he’s worked at and has had a lot to work with, he came to city with Kdb, Toure, Aguero, Sterling, Kompany and a lot of other good players, Klopp came to Liverpool and the best player he had was a young Coutinho and he still made it work From 2018 when Klopp reached the UCL final he’s reached the final twice since then and only missed out of either a disastrous season like 20-21 ans 2022-23, and 1 shock defeat by Atletico, plus the two finals he lost were against 2 incredible madrid sides the one of 2018 with a prime Cristiano ronaldo and the comeback kings of 2022 with a ballon dor winning Benzema, Pep has just 1 final to his name since 2011 and it was against a good chelsea side, not great and he still couldn’t beat em, I think they’re equal and don’t really think one is way better than the other, but if any I give the edge to Klopp, it’s slight margins otherwise Klopp would have 3 league titles because 2019 and 2022 could have gone either way and we’d be having a very different conversation

Peps B team is a top 4 team, this comparison is ridiculous when city keep buying top players with oil money and Liverpool's owners can't spend the same way. Both managers are at the top of their game but when you buy all the best players its unfair to compare managers

does anyone know why full video isnt on twitch?

If Pep came to United instead of City after Alex Ferguson left, then I would put him as the best manager of all time. Yes, he would get resources, but United were (and arguably still) in a mess after Gill and AF left. Seeing Pep doing a rebuild instead of walking into a top-tier Man City team (which he has improved, tbf).

Peps Barcelona: Cheats! Bribed refs! Peps Bayern: Farmers league, not difficult to win league with Bayern. Peps Man City: Cheats! Broke FFP rules over 100 times. What has Pep actually achieved?

Idk where the narrative has come that liverpool haven’t spent money

Peps a serial winning manager - yet he’s still to win the European cup with his 1.2 billion squad

I cannot believe you guys trying to argue this. Pep is up there with the best of managers ever but klopp over him any day of the week. Yes Liverpool have spent money but klopp done it on a tighter budget to Pep and his challenged city for 4/5 years now and his taken them to 3 champions league final.

Started on third base and gets excited when he hits a home run comes to mind. My guys, he's spent like a billion more than Klopp since 2012. Be serious.

Marvin all over the place on this one

Kloop and pep isn’t really a rivalry but that’s not Kloops fault. If he’d had the same backing he’d have more trophies than pep

Absolute donuts sir Alex Ferguson was with man United for nearly 3 decades won 13 premier league titles had to build up around 5 different squads because he was there so long treble in 99 + 3 peat twice and the craziest thing about it is none of those awards are his greatest accomplishment he won the league with Aberdeen the last team in Scotland to win it apart from rangers and Celtic and won the cup winners cup against Real Madrid becoming the only team to beat Real Madrid in a European final imagine that Aberdeen hold that title because of Alex Ferguson pep couldn’t get a sniff of what he’s made of to mention them in the same breath seems disrespectful and for further context I’m a rangers fan and we aren’t too keen on him but I can’t listen to that spurs fan talk so much nonsense

Guardiola is the GOAT but Klopp doesn’t have the same budget as him at Liverpool so he’s far more likely to have off-seasons.

klopp could easily of got jobs with bayern,madrid or united where he would of had a lot more money to spend and won a lot more trophies,,but those type of jobs/clubs dont appeal to him

got to say I am with Brian here, Man City can buy whatever they want. Pep was allowed to waste obscene amounts of money of defenders. Does anyone remember 2016 City were shocking and he had an insane squad he got obscene amounts of money and Klopp doesn't have the same funding and basically got points totals that would win the league in nearly every other season. History won't be kind to Klopp it's not his fault Klopp needs to go to a club that would give him the funds.

Man my brain cells died watching the first 3 min of this video. “You have the best player in world, VVD,Salah and Mane” mf were they the best when we got them. What kind of argument is that

So if u look it like that SAF VS WENGER never was a thing tho cs SAF has 13 PL-s and wenger has only 3

Klopp took a team in 10th and had to rebuild it. He took Dortmund over when they were 13th and took them to back to back titles. He is the last manager to have won the Bundesliga who wasn't a Bayern manager. What he has done at Liverpool has been incredible. Liverpool are *9th* in the net spend table since he took over. Pep has constantly failed in the champions league at MC and it's not like they got knocked out by top teams besides Liverpool and RM. Monaco? Lyon? Spurs?!! When Pep rebuilds a mid table side and wins big trophies with them we can talk then about who is better.

Klopp even managed Dortmund to a domestic Double & Back to back league titles against a much superior Bayern Munich team

Klopp hasnt had a team that abused financial fair play. Klopp has had to earn and create money through tournaments and player sales. Klopps been to 3 champions league finals, Peps been to 1. Klopp inherited a worse team. Klopps had less depth. Klopps spent half the money. When Klopps team is in a bad spot he has to carefully manoeuvre his way out, pep just signs a new handful of players and boom problem solved. Peps had luxuries that Klopp doesn't get.

Geordie saying winning doesn’t mean as much with money. I dont see that reflecting this season when they went from relegation threatened to CL qualification contenders.

I don’t understand this argument hahah Of course he spent money. He literally needed an entire back 5 in his first season. How on earth do you do that without money??? Ferguson got extremely lucky with the class of 92. Was given half a team for £0

Klopp achievement is definitely more impressive and I do think Pep has been fortunate with decisions at times to win some of the trophies he has won at City

great video this is.Well Done

Going by this season you have to give it to Pep. He has changed City's system to accomodate the changing squad, instead of making them do the exact same thing as before. Being adaptable is a key trait managers have to have to stay at the top otherwise they get found out. Klopp's failure to adapt his system for the changes his team went through in the Summer is a big reason why Liverpool dropped off so much this season.

Pep beat 2 of sir Alex's best Manchester teams in 2 finals for the champions league so yeah....

400m on the forwards? In the last 5yrs itself LFC has an average transfer of €290m and your club spent €600m 😂😂😂

One thing that gets confused is that Liverpool challenged 5 years, when it was 3 years in which they won one league title out of the 3 challenges.

People really forget what Pep did with that Barcelona team. Created arguably the greatest club team in the history of the game with the majority of the team coming from La Masia (where he was before taking the manager role) and he made them into monsters.

Every single time a Pep vs Klopp debate comes up it devolves into, "well Pep spent more!" Then when it is rightfully pointed out that Liverpool were still one of the highest spending clubs in the world too, they jump straight to net spend to disregard the argument. You can not judge one person on spending and the other only on net spending. Be consistent. It is always ignored the insane amount of players Pep has sold and how much money that brought in. In net spend over the last few years, they are below Liverpool. They are 10th in the league over the last 5 years. I do not understand how this is always ignored. "Oh but he had to buy Haaland. Klopp used the Coutinho money to buy Van Dijk and Alisson so it doesn't really count." Pep sold 3 players for over 120 million the same year he bought Haaland for only 60. If you think Klopp is better, that is fine. They are close to each other. Just be consistent with the argument. Hold them to the same standard. Either you care about pure money spent, or net spend. You can not pick and choose and still have a valid argument.

"Remember to keep comments respectful": Without Brian this show would have been horrendous. No knowledge at all.

It’s the same argument from Brian everytime, We need to stop holding this money conversation over pep, money doesn’t guarantee you winning titles or dominating the prem, yes he’s spent money but the reason they are so dominant is because of the way he plays the game. Man City weren’t dominating the league like this before him, he joined them and he elevated them to a different level he added players but he also took the ones still there and made them so much better. And Also how can being a manager that only manages the best be a bad thing, it shows how good he is, so many managers go to top level teams and fail miserably.