I submit that national teams should not have managers. Every team turns up to the tournament with 22 footballers from different clubs/leagues who have to figure out how to organize themselves. Chaos on all fronts 😂

The fact that he was playing Bellingham left wing to accommodate henderson and then took both maddison and bellingham off but kept henderson on when it was still 1-1 should tell you everything

He shouldn't be sacked based on this game, but I think he should've been gone after the Euros/World Cup. Every good team we face in the biggest moments he falters. He's more a transition manager than the man to get us over the hump

If Brazil had this team and werent winning competitions the manager would go. It shows the level of ambition in the national team.

Southgate is the only thing holding England back. So as a Welshman I love it

Imagine this England team with someone like Carlo Ancelotti at the helm.

I never rated Gareth Southgate, I thought he wasn't the right man when employed as England's manager. England was supposed to win the Euro final with Italy, but Southgate's limited tactics were the reason they lost that game. England has got very good players and they need a good manager to take them to the next level.

The fact that Flick got sacked immediately and England will probably give Southgate a contract renewal shows the difference in passion and goals.

I would have liked Eddie Howe as manager before he went to Newcastle, and now he is at Newcastle and seen the way he sets up his team, and the spirit he’s created on and off the pitch, I definitely think he would have done wonders

Rice, Bellingham and Maddison is a quality midfield 3. Playing Maddison left, 3 in midfield and with Kane dropping deep, meant a congested midfield mess, with only Saka wanting to run behind.

All the success England have had is in spite of Southgate not because of him.

Keep him! 💪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

He should of never been given the job in the first place. Anyone who does a Pizza advert mocking the fact they missed a penalty is hardly the calibre of man that should be spearheading the best talent we have arguably ever had

Problem is not Gareth Southgate but the current crop in UK, Germany and Spain are kick and run merchants Nobody is good at anything, so its hard to choose one from another You can say same about Brazil Current generation of footballers are athletes than skilled footballers

One of the most talented squads around and they play the most basic football.

Thomas Frank for me would love Thomas Frank

Buvy spot on about Bellingham and foden

The whistle v the lisp is always at its best during a Gareth Southgate debate

We need to build this team around jude and trent in midfield, play them as the 2 8’s with rice behind them and a very solid defence in shaw, stones, white and walker/james. If u let them 2 have complete freedom with rashford, kane and saka ahead of them i dont see why we can’t win any tournament.

Spain didn’t just bench they straight up dropped Raul. The best Spanish striker ever.

Buvey should be sacked mentioning Maddison in the same breath as Gascoigne and Charlton 🤦🏽‍♂️

hes managed sterling so so badly its laughable. Started him at world cup when he was in AWFUL form, then drops him when hes back to his best!?

I have always said I could see Jose Mourinho managing England

Southgate has cost us 4 tournaments now. He's as to go.

When I saw Bellingham starting at LW I had flashbacks to 30 year old rooney playing CM😭

I'd give Wenger a shout, he was always waiting for French job, but he'd do a solid job for England. He's definitely not cut out for club management anymore...

The very simple fact Kane made the midfield pass instead of being upfront scoring goals, shows how idiotic, incompetent and useless Southgate's negative football is

YESSSSS

No international manager can get a team to play like Pep gets his worst team to play.

The title got my hopes up!!!

It blows my mind he ever even had the position. The man is not cut out for this job and has consistently held back an otherwise world beater of a squad. His squad selections are bad enough let alone his tactical rigidity. England should be walking into the semifinals of every tournament they compete in but under Southgate, there is no room for progression from this current point. Pep is a mouthwatering prospect but he won’t coach England so who? Who could replace Southgate and improve this team? Anybody 😐

As a leicester fan I'm delighted to see maddison doing well at spurs, he deserves it. But he needs to be central. Foden should start over him, but having maddison as an option on the bench is amazing. Just don't play him on the wing ffs

11:53 arguably Maddison is a less selfish and grandstanding player than Foden, I'll put that out there. Maddison is also older and more experienced.

i feel like the team more or less picks itself but southgate still plays players that won’t be playing in the world cup in these friendlies when really he should play his main team almost every game so the players who don’t play at the same clubs can get comfortable with eachother. People will argue about keepers and defenders but the nailed on starters are stones, rice, jude, saka, kane, rashford

Your entire royal family is German, you guys can have a German manager

SIMPLE ANSWER- YES

The FA should sack him for picking *Maguire* and *Kalvin-Philips* over and over again.

Shouldn't have been the manager in the first place.

In regards to foden vs Maddison, Foden obviously has a wayy higher ceiling of potential however given city’s depth over the years we haven’t seen him get enough regular starts for him to really show off what he’s about. With Maddison however we know exactly what we’ll get and he’s on hot form right now so playing him makes sense 🤷‍♂️ I do think in a game like this one where the stakes are low, Southgate should definitely be playing Maddison in midfield instead of Henderson which makes room for someone like rashford on the left

I’m not backing Southgate, but he’s dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. There is only so many places in the team. Simple as that.

thing is the brilliant manager minds are all in club football. Who out there that can get the best out of those lads?

As someone who lives in the US. England is like the Cowboys, all that talent lol

Why can't Declan Rice just firm it and sit in the middle. We've got good options for the box to box midfielder, but Deccers is more than capable to be a 6.

Southgate is wasting the talent of arguably the world's best bunch of national players England has ever seen by putting a lineup like this out there. Make rice or Bellingham captain, use a 4231 and enjoy winning.

Glad someone noticed Harry passing just 3 metres just left and right at the back. He will just continue to do the same as he's in a rut.

I seen the title of this video and immediately said yes.

Steve Cooper IS an interesting shout 🤔

Guys please stop. Aside Kane Trent and Jude no one geta in the 1st 11 compared to the golden gen Winning is another story.

Totally right. When it comes to national squads, fit the system to the players, not the players to the system. You have a bunch of attacking players, yet Southgate plays defence.

Stephen Howson been saying that for at least a year or two.

I’d start Maddison over Foden if given the option

Southgate is doing what Roberto Martinez did with the Belgium golden generation

5:44 ah, there it is, the anti-TAA agenda. Was waiting for that to jump out of Buvey's mouth. And I'm not even an LFC fan, just think it's low of Buvey to scapegoat one player.

The only realistic suitable English manager to bring in at this moment is Will Still. Young and exciting, would suit our team and would be interested to see how he could get an already talented squad firing.

What on earth is Buevy talking about when it comes to Foden. For someone who watches him week in and week out that take was shocking. Wow

Hodgson did those things Buvey, yep, and then was one of our worst ever managers.

So who will replace gareth? Cos i doubt any top foreigne coach will takenthe job considering how the last couple were treated

Surely March should be in the squad?

As an Irishman I'd give him a lifetime contract 😂

I have been Southgate out since we lost to Hungary 4-0, we need a manager who has experience in winning trophies. Jose Mourinho should be the next England manager.

I've been saying he isn't good enough since during the 2018 World Cup and I don't particularly care about the fortunes of the England team.

The issue is, and remains defensively. Id be fully behind the Southgate out brigade if we had a top defense, but we dont, so some of our negative play is to compensate for that. We are very top heavy. Rashford - Grealish, Maddison - Bellingham, Foden - Saka. Can only start one of each really. Trippier, Shaw (when fit) Stones, Rice, Bellingham, Rashford, Saka, Kane is the making of a top side, the other 3 need some work tho. We desperately need Colwill to push on so we can see the back of Maguire, only way we are gonna get Maddison into MF alongside Bellingham, until then we are stuck with Henderson or Mount

Howe might be on the market after the Euros, but I’d prefer Ancelotti for the next World Cup if the pieces fit. What a way to go out that would be.

I was also pro Southgate but he hasn’t evolved. What about bringing in the under 21s for defensive midfielder.

No need to to put “SACKED!” in the thumbnail. We were gonna watch y’all anyway fellas.

What isn't broght up here is the fact that a manager who's contracted to a club can actually be in charge of a national team as well.

England FA: Get Lampard on the phone… Now!

These guys really need to get their facts right. Hogdson never got relegated with West Brom.

That last match was abysmal. Team selection was a joke. Maguire and Henderson ffs. Tactics even worse. Were there any ? At least we know they can pass the ball sideways.

For me our 06 squad, player for player is as good as it will ever get. I know people like point at DM as a problem area but for me the problem has always been the lack of a clutch striker. In 06....We had it with Wazza who was world class but not clutch. Its the same story with this crop. Kane is world class but is not clutch. Sterling and Rashford are arguably our most clutch forwards and its not given that they starts over the likes of Saka, Grealish and Foden... Till we develop a clutch striker we will always be the bridesmaid and never the bride.

Short answer yes

Southgate has proven that he isn't the man to get us over the line when it matters. He may have gotten us to semi-finals and finals which is brilliant but it boils down to nothing when we don't turn it into silverware. I'll be the first to say that bias toward English players does exist and it's ridiculous. However, there is no denying that this group of players is arguably the best we've ever had and maybe even the best collective group of players out of all the national teams right now. Southgate has given me the best times in my life as an England fan but we want more than just semi-finals, we want the end product. He is tactically inept and his managerial record proves that. I thank him for his time as England boss but we need a proven winner to elevate this squad just that bit further and bring home a trophy.

I don't understand how you can hope to win the WC/Euros, with a manager that failed at Middlesbrough over 10 years ago and wouldn't get a job in any PL club.

Good point RE: the 2002 team with Danny Mills v WC Brazilian team. You both glaringly miss the obvious RE: Treble winning Barca, that being it had WC Spanish players, Iniesta, Xavi, Alba, Busquets, Villa, Fabregas, Puyol, Pique. Which aside from Messi, were the most important players of that team. CITY's treble winners had in their team & English: Walker, Stones, Grealish. With their stars being Haaland, KDB, Gundagon, Silva. The PL is the most entertaining league in the World, no doubt, foreign players have played a huge role in raising it up to its high levels, which naturally so, brought up the level of English players also. When the PL started bringing in high level footballers, the foreign players like Bergkamp, Henry, CR7, Zola, were the stars of their teams, how things have changed, is recently some of these teams' stars are English, Saka/Arsenal, Kane/Tott, butt no Top PL team is majority English. But the English team they have now, have even WC talent to win a tournament, and would have in Euro20 with a great manager. Last point, the thumbnail to this is really misleading, (I was going to listen to your debate anyway), with 'Sacked' written under the photo of 'Mr. Flukey draw but still cannot win it', gave me hope some one had actually opened the Gate and told him to go South and keep going South untill you're far-far away from this team/squad!

Be good if there was an outstanding replacement lined up before sacking anyone Who will get the job? 🤔

So interesting harry maguire wasn’t even mentioned!

We are 100% gonna look back on this in 10 years time after winning nothing and it will be a golden generation ‘what if’ all over again

Blud really said he’d go 40 years without wc qualification for 1 euros

Foden and Madison are different. You can't just sub one for the other, its all dependant on what way the team wants to olay. Buvey is right, foden suits a very specific type of attack with ball movement and player movement that is really intricate. England dont olay that football. but, madison is ahowing over the last few weeks that hes got that abilty to change a game.

Southgate is unable to stray from his rigid system. He doesn’t understand football on a deep enough level. He couldn’t make his 3-4-3 work in 5 years

I love that Rory can't let go of Nagelsmann skateboarding to work

I've never seen an England team succeed to this level that Southgate's has. Managers with much more pedigree and better CVs have tried with England and failed so what promise is there that a top manager will do it this time. Why don't we just count ourselves lucky that we don't have to put up with results like that Iceland game and just be grateful?

I'm scottish and we finally look somewhat solid and have belief, I feel if England can't beat us, with their squad, that is a sackable offence

Croatia. Italy. France. The moment we play any side with tactical nouns. The bottom falls out. The FA want their YES MAN. The media want their sacrifice lamb. The Waistcoat will stay. We need to face up too harsh realities. We are a quarter final team at best. We advance any further is down too luck of the draw. And any chance of winning anything is in spite of the waistcoat. Not because of him.

If we don’t beat Scotland he should go.

Now no, 9 months until a major tournament, plus who is there out there to replace him? Club and international football are two different things, only certain coaches can work with international teams so it takes time to find a replacement. Personally I see him going after the euros no matter what, and personally I think after the world Cup in Qatar he probably should have walked, then we would have had plenty of time before the next major tournament. No matter what he does in the euros, people will always be jumping on his back. Also to judge him after one game against Ukraine is ridiculous, he was quite clearly mixing a few things up, it was essentially a friendly so was a good opportunity. To sack him now would be ridiculous in my opinion, and all these people calling for that were just bored with no prem football, no matter what you think of him sacking him now would be a bad thing.

Southgate has quality players in his squad like Foden, Maddison, Grealish, Bellingham, Kane, Saka, Rice, Stones, even technically gifted players like Sancho and Marcus Edwards that could get a chance at some point, eps Sancho.

England team should be - Pope, Walker, Stones, Guehi, Chillwell, Rice, Trent/Madison (depending on opposition), Bellingham, Sterling, Saka, Kane, simple football rules, you get the ball, 2 touches pass then move til your in the final third, then let them have it, we have the creative and flair players there to do it like this, maintain defensive rigidity when against big sides like France with Trent in midfield, maybe going to a 5 with Walker at RCB, and also have the attacking option of going with 1 CDM and 2 10s with Madison

What does my head in with Southgate is that he could easily maintain his core squad and principles, but still play with 5 top tier attackers in a slightly modified/modernised system. He leaves too much threat on the bench for the sake of pragmatism. We should just flat out copy the Pep blueprint from last season and go with a 442 or 4231 out of possesion, but a 3223 box midfeild in build up. For the pragmatism we can have a block of 5 players with solid defensive profiles that have thrived at possession based clubs and use them as potection and support for 5 class attackers to play with freedom and width. Grealish - Kane - Saka Bellingham - Foden Rice - Stones Colwill - Dunk - Walker Stop shoehorning in Maguire, Philips, Henderson, Trippier out of position and Maddison out of position. Use a core of City playera and fill the rest of the squad with players that fit the system rather than his favourites.

nothing more frustrating than thinking the england game is on saturday cant wait to see bellingham,foden,rashford,kane, saka but oh no bellingham is on the left and foden is replaced by henderson a guy who has been declining for 18 month and now plays in saudi lmao its bizzare. anyone who follows the premier league and football can see that we have one the best teams in the world not only in first 11 but in squad depth. yet hes playing not to lose games and defensively hes holding this generation back

Rory digging out Danny Mills is gonna make for an awkward TalkSport Xmas party.

outclassed by Dechamps 🤣🤣

This current generation of players is nowhere near the level of the 82, 90, 96 or 02 teams who were generally competing against higher quality opposition (in games that mattered). But I agree the current team would improve under a decent manager.

Southgate doesn't experiment with his team. That's probably the most infuriating thing, along with picking players that shouldn't be starting. Players like Maguire, Henderson and Phillips shouldn't be near the squad (Phillips can, if he starts playing more frequent). With experimenting, we have so much quality, but he rarely gives players a chance and sticks with the same 11 all the time. Trial TAA in midfield more or even on the wing. Try Foden in CAM role. Start Wilson or Nkeitiah upfront. Give Ramsdale a chance in goal. Just anything to try and find our best starting 11.

Based on merit alone, this should be the current England starting line up team: In Goal Nick Pope Defense Kyle Walker (Right back) Fikayo Tomori (Center back) Marc Guéhi (Center back) Tyrick Mitchell (Left back) Midfielders Declan Rice (Holding Defensive Midfielder) Bukayo Saka (Righ Winger) Phil Foden (Left Winger) James Maddison (Central Play-Maker) Jude Bellingham (Number 10 Play-Maker/second Striker) Striker Eberechi Eze (Lone Striker) This above team, would smash anyone 4 or 5 Nil

Roy Hodgson didn't get relegated with WBA you lemon. He made us a top half prem team with 0 money, that's why he got hired for England! Buvey loves making up his own facts

What do you expect when you appoint a championship manager as coach of a national side

It’s all good shouting “Southgate Out” every five minutes but who is the available right now who would be a clear upgrade? There isn’t one. Club management is completely irrelevant to international management which makes the “relegated Middlesbrough” so lazy. Germany and Spain took treble winners to the World Cup and flopped, meanwhile Argentina won it with a coach who’s never had a club job in his life. I’d like to see Maguire phased out by the Euros but with Stones and Shaw injured I can see why he didn’t want to change three of the back four. People forget that international managers have a week of training sessions every three months, so continuity is key. You can’t just pick whoever has done well in the premier league last week.

Lost me when Rory suggested Henderson should be starting ahead of Philips. Henderson has just been bombed out of Liverpool to the Saudi League because he's not good enough anymore, also, Southgate did start Henderson ahead of Philips against Ukraine and we were god awful.

First, putting Maddison in the same breath as Kaka is mental, is maad only an English would say that. The Problem is English people think they have a golden generation, they really believe they're better than everyone 😅😅🤦... For me France since 2014 has been the leading producer of Talent like i can tell you France will reach the next World Cup Final to make it Three in a row and no one would even think to disagree. They reached a World Cup final without Kante, Pogba, Nkunku just to name a few like they can name three Different World Cup winning Squads... Now that's a Golden generation, Mbappe winning the World Cup at 19 while scoring in a Final that's the definition of Elite, Rice is basic he can't compare to Rodri or even Busquets of Last Year.