555th like! Haven't started HOTD yet, but I guess I'll get your joke and laugh when I do.

I mean yeah he didnt even like her beside the endogamy thing is like eww

They probably grow up in separate apartments so just like two people who might not know the related end up together it probably works similar but I don't have a sister so I'm not as easily grossed out I always thought it would be confusing for men who had sisters older or the same age

@@RAWNERVZ that is a good point, how much time did they actually spend around each other?

@@kristinazubic9669 even after marriage it was pretty scarce as my understanding but I never had a sister and some of my friends think my thought is repulsive and other friends say I'm more right about that kind of stuff then they would ever want to admit so I either get an answer that is TMI or an answer that is you're a sicko but nothing in the middle thank you though

She is like Duncan Targaryen who comes generations later gifted with prophecy but dies young with no living direct descendants

@@Treize132 yeah its a trait of Targaryens. Called dragon dreams, they have the ability to forsee the future. This is the reason why House Targaryen survived the Doom of Valyria.

Prince Rhaegar was said to have been a dragon dreamer because he dreamed of a three headed dragon

Aegon saw the "Darkness coming from North".

She also says later "there's a beast beneath the boards" which i think is reffering to the crowning in the Dragon pit where Rhaeny's dragon burst through the probably planks put in top of the hole in there.

He was always the most normal though, he plays around, pranks Edit : i take it back after episode 8 this asshole is a rapist he needs to rot in hell

How??

@@finnboering2745 just look at him

They have 4 kids... they hvent introduced the youngest brother yet

@@finnboering2745 He’s the most opposed to incest

That is an amazing observation! Holy crap! The storytelling is so tight in this series. I hope they keep it up

Yes. I observed that too. Alicent taught that to her kids. Always fearing them that they need to take the throne for safety.

I mean put yourself in their perspective. They are the kings legitimate sons but they are not first in line for the throne officially against the tradition that has been upheld by every previous generation and is practised throughout their kingdom solely due to their father. It's effectively them who have been disinherited by an absent father who clearly prioritizes his daughter and by extension Aemma's bloodline over that of Alicent's. Viserys tries to install not only his daughter as heir but even her bastards. His favoritism becomes egregiously apparent by his reaction to the maiming of his second son by his grandson where he shouts at his badly injured and permanently disfigured son because he insulted his grandsons. You don't really need anything more hostile to turn your sons against you, he treats them like second class Targaryens, he also disrespects their mother (calls her "Aemma") and that is already provocation enough. So in Aemond's mind his brother is the legitimate heir and has always been and his sister is to be his wife and thus the future queen and his father can go f*ck himself.

ey, I just realized that😂

@@pg1448 The tradition is changed when the king declared it. It was not Rhaenyra who started to claim. Viserys won that throne by selection. Though he got the throne for being male voted by noble lords still it was not mentioned technically why he got the throne. That technicality is where the conflict began. Greedy people like Otto, Corlys Valerion and in the end bitch like Alicent who manipulated the king or forced the king to something terrible. Please again don't justify Alicent. Deep down she always wanted what Rhaenyra had. But when she was denied still by becoming queen, she decided she will make sure only the male line will continue which was her son.

I just caught that too, Aemond basically said treason out loud lol

And people still complaining about Valyrian traditions. Aegon I married his 2 sisters

@@tellurius4951 still doesn’t make it any more comfortable

@@tellurius4951 yup he did and it was weird

@@arawn1061 for you? Maybe. For them? Nothing new. Daeny parents were siblings, Daemon and Viserys parents were siblings. Their grandparents were siblings. The list goes on and on. Stop using fucking modern moral on the fantasy there it's ok

@@tellurius4951 Yeah no im gonna keep using my morals to judge fantasy characters. If i cant judge the characters i read about then i dont care about them

nah he’s just racist like young Tom Riddle

I mean, Aemond went psycho as a young adult probably out of being bullied the freak out of it by his brother and nephews for his entire childhood. The whole pig affair and his brother teaming up with his nephews against Aemond is meant to show us how unhappy he was. Stealing the dragon is his revenge against his bullying, and him becoming a psycho is a consequence of this bullying. He's clearly portrayed in episodes 6 and first half of 7 as a soft unhappy boy becoming a tough nut

aemond knows his duties that is what he spoke of to aegon. he has been thriving for the throne since the start.

@@frname7665 Aemond wasn't bullied. He was picked on harmlessly by his brother and nephews. It's a typical sibling relationship. You act like he was beat up daily. He stole a dragon because he's a spoiled selfish brat who doesn't care about anyone but himself.

@@BleedingGrafitti He was lol the thing we see on screen is just meant to be an example of his brother and nephews ganging up on him to mock him. Which is bullying.

Dragon Dreams dont work like that

Then how does it work

I don't think it's abundantly clear for her. Probs just bits and pieces, maybe images here or there, but apparently dragon dreamers aren't really good at avoiding their prophecies.

Same, she really doesn't deserve what happens :(

Was that a necessary change from the book though?! And she's already a tragic figure in the book, but she had some things going on for her for sure. Now she has nothing and will have something horrific happen to her. She's a character that only exists to suffer at this point. It's disheartening, disempowering, and most certainly not how it is in the book.. George is too smart to write something like that in 2017, let along to be aired in 2022. Yeesh! See I'm perfectly okay with B&C happening, as long as she's a 3D character, and not just a plot device. But at this point, she isn't... Don't know if they can fix it though, or are even interested in doing so.

Aemond is 10

You mean he's speaking treason at 12 because at that time Rhaenyra was still the heir.

@@hirushadilhara7097he can’t be 10 because that would make adult Aemond 16

​@@UlfSupremacy" adult " Aemond is not an adult . Aegon is confirmed to be 20 in episode 10 so he's currently 16 or 17

@@nicksmithnutmilk where is that confirmed?

Stannis Baratheon had it too, and we know his sad end because of predictions.

@@dossiefuteboloficial a valyrian with magical blood in them will definitely be a better dream seer than red priests

@@dossiefuteboloficial those were speculations, those didn't feel like real predictions. So far everything Helaena says has and will come to pass. You can't compare someone who's predictions come to turn and someone who just gives false hope based on their beliefs. Again, everything Helaena has stated has come to fruition. The only issue is if she can fully understand it in the moment and them deciphering what she is saying.

@@quizzlybear I think the message that Martin wanted to get across with the books and the series is that you can't trust prophecies completely. The prophecies themselves are confusing, difficult to understand. Helaena is considered by many as an idiot simply because her "prophecies" are merely empty phrases at first and that there is no way to predict what will actually happen. Not too different from that Forest Witch's prediction for Cersei, or Melisandre.

@@dossiefuteboloficial Hmm, true no one seems to be able to understand what she is saying. You'd think "dreamers" would be something the Targaryen's are aware of since it runs in their family. I thought Viserys would. But he's too old and dying and the only child he seemed to put any effort into loving and building a relationship with was Rhaenyra. I wish he didn't ignore his other children so much. Maybe then he'd also know Helaena isn't just saying gibberish.

It'd make his showdown with Daemon like pottery

@@ischeele7203 It would also make the Green Team hypocrites if Helaena's kids turned out to be Aemond's bastard's. Especially since their biggest point of contention with Rhaenera was her bastard boys.

@@Senate300 Is really bastary when she had them with another brother which is a Targaryen? Is not the same as having them with the Strongs which are not of Valyrian descent nor a big house.

@@Alejojojo6 Well if Helaena cheated on Aegon II with Aemond and had his kids then passed them off as her brother husbands then that would be hypocritical as well as scandalous. Only difference with Rhaenera's Strong Boys is that they're so obviously not Velaryon's while the Taragaryen kids would still maintain their family features no matter which brother Helaena slept with. Who the true father's are would be less noticeable.

@@Senate300 Perception is all that matters. Rhaenyra's sons with Daemon are technically bastards too, as their marriage is not valid as long as Laenor is alive. But nobody is ever going to find out so it doesn't matter.

And would have probably been a decent father(sure agegon cared later on, but it must have been awkward 😬 seeing how he CURRENTLY speaks of her)

Hope u kept that same energy for jaime and cersei

@@m_zero3009 hell no, why would i

@@redadmiralofvalyria867 was talking about the original comment that shipped the siblings

@@m_zero3009 oh, sorry my apologies 😅

She is like the Targaryen version of Luna Lovegood

@@angelfrom666 I would say so but more of a prophet she has a gift for predictions

Rhaenyra & Daemon is gross no matter the context, he basically groomed her. With Aemond and Helaena if the show goes this route, they grew up together and getting married is completely normal, in fact it's what aemond believes is the best for the targaryen line. They don't know any differently which is why the incest isn't shocking to me. You have to be an adult to watch a show with incest taking into consideration the context without applying real-life modern morals & principles to the show.

@@judigemini178 even so, incest is somewhat common to this day. Some countries still practice it and Queen Elizabeth married her third cousin Aka Philip. Prince Charles, Camilla and Princess Diana are all very distant cousins.

@@mochi5512 Yup most of European Royalty are all descended from Queen Victoria herself and her consort Prince Albert, Kaiser Wilhelm II were her grandson (despite hating Britain and his mother for being British Wilhelm love and respect his grandmother immensely) and her other nephew Tsar Nicholas look exactly like her son King George, and there's the infamous Habsburg except with genetics consequences and much more gross than the Targaryen. Hilariously WW1 is just a massive sibling rivalry.

Not with me, this is why I still feel disturbed to watch it, the difference with GoT incest that they already adult and still somehow realize it was shameful like how the Lannister siblings didn't publicly admit but HoTD too blatant but I still want to follow the story and I love period drama kingdom theme and dragons.

Speak for yourself weirdo lmao

That's foreshadowing.

@@rahmatmanurung8133 I'm aware of that but that of course is in context.

I disagree. Look what happened to Stannis.

Cercei consulting the seer is, in my opinion, a large part of what caused her downfall. She became obsessed and partly began the self-fulfilling prophecy.

all the bullying turned him and i think it's a lesson in a way for all to see that joking a bit is okay but constantly bullying someone can really turn that person into someone cruel and evil

Aemond is many things but he isn’t 100% evil. He seems to have love for most of his family members, especially for his mother and sister but he absolutely hated his nephews.

@@garlantyrell6368 They were little shits and they never got punished. Every time Rhaenyra kids were in the wrong she would find a way to blame Aemond. I’m not hating on Rhaneyra but she really should’ve made them face the consequences when they were in the absolute wrong.

@@FokusEnzo Honestly most of the people in this conflict are horrible in some way. Aside from the little kids Helaena is the only real innocent.

@@anatoldenevers237 Agreed brother can’t wait for season 2 😍

The thing that sticks out as romantic in this scene is Aemond said "if ... only". He wanted to be betrothed to Heleana.

@@msartist1767 same

It would have worked Even better. That way they can offer a marriage with a king to a strong house

Why?

That or she should’ve betrothed Helaena to Jace. They would be a good King and Queen together on the throne.

She really should have made marriage alliances with other houses like there is no tomorrow. Aegon to a Baratheon, Aemond to a Tyrell, Helaena to a Tully, Daeron to a Tarly. That way when the war starts most of the Great Houses are on her side already by default. The marriage between Aegon and Helaena has no political value whatsoever except to say "See we practise incest so we are the legit Targaryens".

@@pg1448 The reasons the Targaryens married brother and sister was so they could keep their bloodline pure and gain more dragons on their side. With Aegon and Heleana’s marriage, the greens can positively say that they now have 2 dragons on their side. Because Helaena or Aegon could’ve easily defected to the greens side.

What side would Daeron be?

Daeron is the honor side i Guess, the good moral because he is a kid same Age as Alicent young

Aegon is the vengeance and spiteful side Not only BOTH for Rhaenyra but for Viserys, Aegon never have a father and Alicent kinda hate the fact she Marry him because of his father blablabla

If you want to go that way... Rhaenerya ain't pure Valyrian either.. She's 2/3 targareyn and rest andal

@@Patrickbatemanharvard Yeah i know, because Aemma is half Arryn. Rhaenyra slept with Cole and later Harwin Strong, she’s one of the few Targs thats doesn’t fixate on Valyrian blood.

Viserys and Daemon were the last Targaryens to have Pure Valerian blood

I don't know why these Targs keep saying the shit about pure Valyrian blood while they mixed a lot with the Andals and the First Men. Rhaenyra's mother Emma is actually from house Arryn and not full blooded Targaryan but half . Hightowers are Uncles for three Targaryans and they're originated from the First Men. Y'all know who really are pure bloods? The Wildlings !! Pure First Men blood since their arrival to westroes and the Age of Heroes. Never mixed with Andals or Valyrians or Rhoyenars and maybe they never even heard of them. Some of them even still speaks the Old Tounge.

@@wabliohitika4521 And they didn’t even need to practice incest to achieve that. AND they don’t kneel to any kings. Based wildlings.

No, Aegon wasn't teasing his brother, it was just one of his lustful comments😂. He implied he likes women's long legs, while Haelena fancied... insects' legs.

@@RogLotHotHoW ohh hahahha

Ew

Word by word, what does it mean?

@@sinhaapurva25 1. “hand turns loom”, I’m not quite sure. Perhaps she means the transition of Hand of the king from Lord Strong back to Lord Hightower coincides with the beginning of further division within the House. 2. “Spool of green, spool of black” refers to the two camps that House Targaryen has split into. Greens: Alicent, her father and her children. And Blacks: Rhaenyra, Daemon and her children. 3. “Dragons of Flesh weaving Dragons of Thread”. Dragons of flesh means real dragons, and Dragons of thread refers to the Targaryens themselves. The thread of their clothing and their banners depicting dragons. Probably foreshadowing the bloody civil war (Dance of the Dragons) the Targaryens will plunge Westeros into and how their Dragons fate is intertwined with the fate of their house. I’m not 100% sure about this by the way, lol.

@@Wolfenstein69924 Hmm, interesting.

@@Wolfenstein69924 loom also means looking over something in a threatening way I believe. Could be referring to Otto. He’s watching shit hit the fan and probably has a secret agenda himself maybe? 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@zoemartin7675 oh Otto 100% has motive, he wants his bloodline, grandchildren, great grandchildren, sitting on the iron throne, it's a personal pride thing. Sure the hightower name won't be out there but Alicent popping out kids and their kids popping out kids for generations pretty much secures

Same thing with Joffrey (the third Strong). He was at the dinner scene in the books but in the show you don't see the little guy at all. Like after his birth he disappeared 😂

​@@iDeathMaximuMII so not the same thing ?

Aemond actor works, he hit puberty But Aegon really sucks is not even the same height Aegon 2 looks more tiny and fat alike Aemond Young Bad casting they should choose first the actor of Aegon 2 adult

Eh, their personalities are consistent, that's what matters

Not really. Even though he wasn’t chosen as heir, Aegon is the firstborn son of the King, meaning that his father’s throne was already set to be his the moment he was born. He may not deserve the throne but in those times, if you are a male, you have more claim to inherit something than a female did.

@@garlantyrell6368 did you even watch the show.? Rhaenyra is the chosen heir. King visereys says it multiple times even if her kids are bastards she still was next in line to rule.

@@okwayz4438 Yes but the moment Aegon was born, Viserys should’ve made him heir instead of Rhaenyra. He was a male. I have nothing against female monarchs but a male always has more claim to the throne than a female. If anything he should’ve only given his daughter Dragonstone and allowed her children to inherit that.

@@garlantyrell6368 right but that's just tradition the king can change that if he wants his word is law. Aemond is speaking treason talk the words of a usper as a kid and aegon didn't even want it he wanted his sister to rule.

Not like he gives a fuck, and to be honest in Aemonds place I wouldn't care about the opinions of my shitty father either. "King's word is law" I mean even if that were true in theory, clearly not in practise. Disinherit your sons for your daughter and 99% of cases they will seize the throne no matter what. These traditions wouldn't exist for centuries or millenia, if they could be overturned by a single foolish, stubborn king. It's not how medieval societies work. Neither in Westeros, nor in the real world. Treason is only a word.

If they marry each other they are pure

And yet they have more Valyrian features than the Strong boys.

​@@stew-03 sadly they won't be continue the legacy

Yeah thats the point both are half Targaryens LoL they need to kept the idea that they are pure

Their Targaryen genes are dominant since their mother and Hightowers are of Red hair (recessive). And they are of the Andals. House strong is blood of the first men. Seed is strong bla bla bla. This doesnt make any one of them more pure than the other but yea

Marrying her to Aegon was terrible but handing her over to Rhaenyra is a terrible idea as well. It wouldn't prevent conflict since Jace had no claim to the throne anyway and would make Helaena a hostage in Rhaenyra's hands. Marrying a daughter to someone whose claim to throne is so fragil puts her in mortal danger. And any reasonable person would be angry if someone tried to use her daughter in a desperate atempt to cover for irresponsible choices. A better husband would be Aemond or some other lord.

@@masterplokoon8803 Jace got dragons blood. Technically he is 2nd in line to the throne.

When Ramsey Bolton a legitimised basterd can take winterfell and warden of the north position. Also be a lord of House Bolton. Then in that if Jace was alive he would've inherited the throne confirmed.

@@ty814 Jace wasn't oficially legitimized since Rhaenyra was pretending that he was legitimate when he wasn't. And Roose Bolton had no other children alive apart from Ramsay so there were no other legitimate heirs in the way. While there are people with much better claims than Jace.

​​@@ty814 then jace and his brother have to be confirmed as bastards and then legitimised that would mean rhaenyra actually cheated and her state as heir is forefited since she try to put bastards on the line of succesion and try to usurp valeryon .so either way jace wouldn't inherit the throne

She knows aegon is a rapist most likely

Probably was raped by Aegon or something. Though maybe not, since Aegon is only 13 here. But that was just my guess

In the third episode you can see Viserys giving him sips of wine when he was a baby.

Aegon was born with a goblet of wine in hand

@@masterplokoon8803 viserys was a soft drunk old man as well

She doesnt kill the spider, she traps it on the shell...

I think hes speaking about woman

Yes. Targaryens love incest. This is why Baratheons are superior. Bobby B did nothing wrong 😎

You must be new to the franchise

LMAOOOO. My dude, you are in for a whole lot of suprises. I would recommend watching Game of Thrones first if you want to get used to it.

oh my sweet summer child........

It's just incest.

13. In episode 8-10: 19

Nonsense fanfiction and a lie.

@@gooby214 There's a part where Aemond's name is said aloud near the kids, and even though Aegon is nowhere around, they say: "Daddy!" Aegon as a kid called Helaena stupid and Aemond defended her and said he'd do his duty and keep the bloodlines pure. Super obvious.

@@highwind8124 Keep enjoying your little fanfics. I'm probably speaking to a showpleb too anyway.

Oh yes he doesn't want to marry his weird little sister, how annoying 😂

loyal to House Targaryen =/= loyal to Rhaenyra and her bastards. They are house Targaryen too, how can they be disloyal to themselves?

@pg1448 If they were loyal to house Targaryen then they wouldn't have usurped the throne from the rightful heir, they wouldn't have started a war and they wouldn't have listened to Alicent and Otto HIGHTOWER, especially Otto who wanted nothing more than to bring down house Targaryen and put his own house on the throne, because why would he fight so hard to put his own grandson on the throne when just before he was all for Rhaenyra taking the throne. And like I mentioned before, them constantly wearing Hightower colors is very telling of who's side they are on, especially when Rhaenyra and her family wear red and black, the Targaryen colors. Not to mention Daemon literally refers to them as the HIGHTOWER boys. Doesn't sound very loyal to house Targaryen to me.

@pg1448 they may have the Targaryen name and Targaryen blood but they are NOT loyal to house Targaryen. Only reason they don't change their name from Targaryen to Hightower is because it would look bad to the realm, but they are definitely more Hightower than they are Targaryen.

​@@plaguedoctor605 And Daemon gets to decide who is a Targaryen and who isn't? The Greens are Targs in their own right, they don't need some external validation by other members of House Targaryen anymore than Daemon does. The Greens dispute that Rhaenyra and her bastards are rightful heirs to anything, they argue the throne is Aegon's birthright but that doesn't mean they are loyal to house Hightower, they are loyal to their own separate branch of House Targaryen. Otto doesn't want to bring house Targaryen down, he wants his grandson on the throne who is Targaryen in blood and name. Aegon, Aemond, Helaena and Daeron are all dragonriders who fully identify as Targaryens, who practice incest and them wearing green all the time is show invention.

@pg1448 yes and this is a clip of the SHOW ergo I'm talking about the damn show. And it's VERY damn obvious Otto only cares about the fact that it's also HIS blood that's gonna be on the throne too because also why the hell would he send his young daughter over to seduce the damn king!? Explain that one? What possible reason, besides personal gain, did Otto have for sending Alicent to 'comfort' the king that then led to marriage and more heirs and caused this whole damn war in the first place!? Because pretty sure the Dance more than likely could've been avoided had Aegon and his siblings never been born and they would've never been born had Otto not used his daughter to seduce the King when he saw an opportunity for his blood to be on the throne.

are they of different races and ages here? For example, the actor who plays Almond is younger than the actor who plays Aegon. Also samle concerns their adult versions. So that's right. Aemond looked older than his years according to the book, what's the claim? The authors did everything according to the canon

Who cares