Helios 44-2: How to PROPERLY make reversed front element mod

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3 жыл бұрын

Often people are asking me-why it is not possible to do a reversed front element modification for extremely swirly bokeh? In this tutorial i unveil some important details about how to properly make this mod.
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@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Available in my store www.ebay.com/itm/324636003903

@fernandonascimento213 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. You are the only one who EXPLAINS witch model can't do the front reverse. Now I now WHY my copy couldn't.😓

@bradmiller9993 3 жыл бұрын

Same problem here. Oh well.

@bransoncarlton4939 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for explaining the variance. I was tearing my hair out from trying to invert the model that doesn’t have enough threads!

@RetroFotoHouse 2 ай бұрын

Glad it helped!

@XxpurexrussianxX 3 жыл бұрын

super insightful and concise, thanks for the quality video brother. definitely going to order a second helios to do this

@NelsonZornitta 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, very good to know the types suited for this modification.

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to help

@brysimm404 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, fantastic instructional tutorial! Thanks Roman! It's also great to be hearing you better with your louder microphone volume now :D

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! :D

@jpcalamaro961 3 жыл бұрын

An excellent tutorial. Thank you.

@ArtexandreFuzaro 3 жыл бұрын

I did this to my 44-6, it worked! The front element is really cracked, but it's doesn't interfere THAT much after this mod, only adding to the dreamy feel

@escarabajo_o Жыл бұрын

Hi, did you mean the 44m-6 model, or the type 6 model according to this video author's classification?

@ArtexandreFuzaro Жыл бұрын

@@escarabajo_o model 👍

@bradmiller9993 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation; I bought a 44-2 in order to reverse the front element but it is a type 8; now I know why I couldn't complete the project!

@xBoCTkOTaCObaKato4karu 5 ай бұрын

Если у вас не хватает резьбы для того чтобы закрутить перевёрнутую линзу, просто переверните это стопорное кольцо и всё закрутится

@etei4120 25 күн бұрын

God bless you sir!! You saved me so much time

@mosesnroses 3 жыл бұрын

Added to my list photography-master-list

@MartR80 3 жыл бұрын

😘 Thank you very much for sharing! 🙏🏼 Blessings from Amsterdam 🇳🇱

@JacoboCastroCristo 3 жыл бұрын

This channel is amazing!

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

@stephenwall9036 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@tbrown2892 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. I've just made this modification on my old Helios 44...there is plenty of thread. But when the front element is reversed, it touches the main glass element...even with the spacer ring in place. In fact the spacer ring rattles, because the two lenses are touching. I will make a very thin shim to add next to the spacer to prevent the lenses from touching.

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Tony Brown when elements are touching, nothing bad happens

@tbrown2892 3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroFotoHouse I agree...I just didn’t like the spacer rattling 😊 Anyway, I found a 30mm x 1.5mm rubber o’ring, which fits neatly on the spacer and this is just enough to stop the elements touching. Great swirly images! Thanks.

@abbycasanova1380 3 жыл бұрын

Very creative

@emperorofrats 2 жыл бұрын

very helpfull video , thanks a lot!

@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@kainbre 3 жыл бұрын

i have accidentally reversed back element and got great results! ( on hellios 44m)

@MartR80 3 жыл бұрын

kainbre - Is there a place where we can all see some sample shots please?

@kainbre 3 жыл бұрын

@@MartR80 i will uplod some examples

@kainbre 3 жыл бұрын

It is great for video as well

@Arcaged 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, i did it too on my old 44m4 and it stayed somewhat sharp, but the bokeh became like soap bubble

@dopeseed6369 2 жыл бұрын

i just did it with a 8er lens. you have a little bit of thread, maybe 180 degrees but its enought for holding the lens in place

@santiagoboselli6519 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for all the amazing Helios content. Today, please I need your wisdom. I've already restored a couple of type 2 but recently I got a type 8 and I cannot by any means separate the front block as you usually do by unscrewing. I know the main difference that everyone warns about is as seen on the back with the fixed outer ring, but I haven't found a single video online of anyone actually disassembling a type 8, it's usually a 7 or some other. Could you show the full build differences and disassembly? or point me to where I can find it?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

you just need to apply a force. Sometimes, quite rarely, it is tighten so well ,that one can't unscrew it.....

@princeharbinger 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Do you know if this will work with the early 44 8 aperture blades by KMZ?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

I do not know. But in general rule you need to check up if a front ring thread is long enough to be able to keep reversed element, as it takes by far more space in thickness.

@1605munro 2 жыл бұрын

Hi there! great channel! One question, is this revers hack also possible on the 44-M? Thanks in advance

@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын

i've never tried frankly speaking

@pedromattossouza8219 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I almost bought a type 8 because the option had better conservation state.

@antonioestupinian2732 3 жыл бұрын

If you turn the ring on tipe 8 (letters down) you be able to reverse the front element... A salut you!

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, i know, BUT you will hide ring grooves so you'll not be able to tighten it properly for a safe lens use. Additionally ring without marking has an ugly look, so i would not recommend this method for large public use. In my point of view a much better solution is to get a proper helios lens with a long thread and make it correctly. Thank you for your input, though

@fotoamgamgfoto3695 3 жыл бұрын

if you want to mod lens you need a 3D printer, I modded/converted a lot and designed printed lots of parts

@ChasWG 6 ай бұрын

Hey Roman, I know you posted this video a while back, but is there any detrimental effects to the lens long term? I have a type 5 BeLOMO and its a really great lens. Its super sharp and colorful as it is normally. I want to do this to try it out, but I don't want to ruin an already great lens. if I do this modification and then return the element to the correct way around, will there be any issues because I did this?

@FoundationTraining1 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and very useful information. I have a Belomo from 1989 which is a Type 6. Would it be possible to reverse the front element on this lens? I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks.

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

just try and you'll see

@westyavro 3 жыл бұрын

Have you ever tried this with a Helios 44-3? It is a beautiful lens.

@adagiotexas 3 жыл бұрын

What are the camera settings to use this lens. Do you shoot in 4:3 ratio and then squeeze out in post, or just shoot it directly in 16:9 ratio?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

ratio doesn't matter. This is a property of lens, such swirl, not camera.

@jasonmcgibbon9693 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for video. A question: Is there enough thread on Helios 44M-4 to reverse the front element? Which type?

@RetroFotoHouse 2 жыл бұрын

this i don't know, as i never tried

@princeharbinger 3 жыл бұрын

Great tutorial. I wonder if this would also work with the Helios 40-2 85mm. Has anyone tried it? How were the results if so?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Frankly speaking i do not know, never made such mod

@lepetitbaigneur9073 Жыл бұрын

wow. Just tried it on my helios lens... Amazing results, im just wondering how interesting the bokeh would be on a full frame camera

@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын

even better

@messylaura 3 жыл бұрын

did this on my ziess 35mm zebra flektogon, great results. i have question, are you going to do a full service video on jupiter 11 4/135mm? year 1963

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Will do, but later.

@messylaura 3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroFotoHouse had the front two elements out of the jupiter 11, interesting design, the second element appears to be a big section of glass with a lens ground into it at either end, or two substantial lenses glued together. as the 1st and second elements are so close you cant flip the front element, i did manage it by putting the retaining ring in first then the front lens then held it in with an extra outer ring (uv filter) but the closeness of the two didn't lend itself as well as other lenses for swirl with ts long minimum distance Dorr extension tubes for canon M mount bring it down to a good close up distance,

@markrobinson8254 Ай бұрын

"Extremely silly" bokeh. very funny... they thought that of George Seurat with his stipple paintings that hang in the Musée d’Orsay, Paris.

@jeancaceres7670 8 ай бұрын

Just realised I have the worst Helios lens. I was so proud over it.

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 5 ай бұрын

Should still be. There are no bad ones.

@DanielWoj 10 ай бұрын

With this modification lenses are touching each other. I thought that I've made something wrong, but on your tutorial they're also touching.

@escarabajo_o Жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for your videos! Is this mod possible with 44-2 in new body or 44-3? It's Type 6 according your classification.

@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын

Frankly speaking i never tried.

@alexshdvideo 3 жыл бұрын

I tried this with Helios 44M-4 and it was marginally different from stock. I guess I’ll have to look into finding a 44-2. :)

@niru7206 Жыл бұрын

I have one 44M-4 of 1985 model. As you have tried, is it worth modification of front element? Whether you are getting result like shots shown here?

@marcob8084 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, is it possible to reverse front lens of a 44-M-4 of 1988? Many thanks!

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

I've never tried. Please try and tell us here, it is interesting to know!

@aabc4852 Ай бұрын

After Diy the lens can focus on infinity ？

@Vadinaka 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Would like to know if I can buy one reversed from you? Thanks

@DixonLu 3 жыл бұрын

Me too. Love your stuff.

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, of course Please buy it here www.ebay.com/itm/324276151065 And just leave me a message at checkout that you need a reversed element and i'll do it for you in exemplary fashion

@irisam6885 3 жыл бұрын

hello, which instrument does he use to open the lens? what's the name? i couldn't find it

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

please search for 'lens wrench'

@asafdie Жыл бұрын

Can this conversion be done with the silver 13 blade version? Or is Belomo still better? I have an extra 13 blade is why I’m asking.

@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын

i never tried. would you mind to try and than share your experience?

@SergioCiobanFilho 3 жыл бұрын

Does that would work on a 44m?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it does. It is much simplier than in case of helios 44-2, as in general rule there is enough thread to keep the ring on its place

@SergioCiobanFilho 3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroFotoHouse Great, thanks for replying. While I'm waiting my Helios 44-2 to arrive I'll try this on my Helios 44M. Also, thanks for your videos, they very informative and helpful.

@tunaelbas3441 3 жыл бұрын

@@SergioCiobanFilho hey did it work?

@SergioCiobanFilho 3 жыл бұрын

@@tunaelbas3441 yes the effect was very cool indeed.

@johnwest7228 3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroFotoHouse glad to know this, I have several 44M lenses so can't wait to give it a try

@clfurness Ай бұрын

Can the front element of the Helios 44 (M42) be reversed? I've tried but I couldn't get the thread to pickup and I think it's not possible.

@niru7206 Жыл бұрын

I have one 44M-4 of 1985 model. Can I get such dreamy Bokeh if I reverse the front optical element as you suggested?

@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын

Just try and you will see. The video is about helios 44-2. With helios 44m-4 i did not try to do the same

@christopherbrown6152 3 жыл бұрын

Can i do this with any lens? Like the sigma 105 f1 4?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid not...

@roberverytfunny 2 жыл бұрын

I also thought about it nikon z 50mm f1.2 s or Tamron 35mm 1.4

@user-bb7rh7xf6n 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine doing this on helios 40-2 (85/1,5) that bokeh'll come out and eat you..

@theothertonydutch 2 жыл бұрын

How is that tool called? I need one desperately!

@WintryEternity 2 жыл бұрын

Is it possible with a 44M?

@alexantonyp.g5125 3 жыл бұрын

Can you make a video FD 55 1.2 S.S.C fungus cleaning..🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏please

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

i did not have a chance to get this lens in my hands

@galiltvisrael 3 жыл бұрын

Спасибо; Отправил тебе личное сообщение в системе eBay

@nickbjones Жыл бұрын

is there usually enough thread to do this wit the 44M-4?

@ValleyRC Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 5 ай бұрын

@@ValleyRC Are you positive? You've done it?

@martas7422 3 жыл бұрын

Does it work on Helios 44-2 type 3 and 4 ?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Normally yes, but few exceptions of the common rule can occur

@arturobernucci7867 3 жыл бұрын

Good morning. I am italian, so excuse me for my english grammar...I would like tu buy one Helios 44-2 reversed front element for my Canon Eos 6 D mark 2 to have extremely swily boken. Can you choose teh better model to modify and send me the link as I can to buy? Can you sell me one Helios 44 just reversed for my camera ? Thanks in advance

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Please contact me via my FB page: www.fb.com/RetroFotoHouse

@Desmond-Hume 3 жыл бұрын

What's the actual name of this instrument, (the wrench)? Wanna buy it, but dont know how it called, it pops up a lot of different instruments. А на русском название узнать, еще лучше было бы, спасибо.

@lattesweden 3 жыл бұрын

Search for Lens Spanner Wrench or just Lens Repair Tools at Amazon or Ebay.

@Desmond-Hume 3 жыл бұрын

@@lattesweden Ok, thanks.

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=lens+wrench&_sacat=0

@ostomiacerebral 3 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to make it with helios 44m-4?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

in general rule yes

@minibuns5397 3 жыл бұрын

Can this work with g master lens

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid not

@samadkohi9166 Жыл бұрын

Do you have good 44-2 to sell? I Want to be able to reverse the front element

@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын

yes, i do www.ebay.com/itm/324276151065

@alejandrolopez3923 Жыл бұрын

What about a biotar mod on the Helios 🤔 I saw some lens which is being sold as a Helios mod biotar bubble. 🤔

@RetroFotoHouse Жыл бұрын

never encountered such. i think it is a scam.

@lucilleeidse9407 3 жыл бұрын

I would like to purchase a Helios 44 that will work to reverse the front lens element- do you have one available?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, i do, in my ebay store. Please contact me there. Link to my store in comments below this video. Thank you!

@subirthapa8542 10 ай бұрын

What's the difference between normal Helios 44-2 and Petzval Modified Helios 44-2 ? Anyone

@DanielWoj 10 ай бұрын

More swirly bokeh, sharp almost only in the center, more blurry. The modified version is just "wrong" (from the optical point of view) but has an interesting dreamy result .

@subirthapa8542 10 ай бұрын

Ok Thanks , Do you think the Modified version on the center is kinda usable for portraits since My Non Modified version is Ok Sharp @@DanielWoj

@DanielWoj 10 ай бұрын

@@subirthapa8542 It is really hard to say. Especially if your point is about sharpness. In my opinion it is sharp in the center but with some haze/fog that some people can say that it is not so sharp. I would try to search for examples on the internet.

@user-fb6sq5ex4c 3 жыл бұрын

Что можно сделать , если листочки медленно работают

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

почистить их от масла

@user-fb6sq5ex4c 3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroFotoHouse спасибо за ответы , как их почистить , я не смогу сама ..

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Вот мое видео, как их почистить kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZpZhgddn2dKRhY0.html

@user-fb6sq5ex4c 3 жыл бұрын

@@RetroFotoHouse спасибо ..

@ValeFero 22 күн бұрын

I have type 8 ((((((((

@user-fb6sq5ex4c 3 жыл бұрын

Есть у вам ролик на русском?

@RetroFotoHouse 3 жыл бұрын

Нет к сожалению. У меня канал рассчитан на англоязычную аудиторию

@user-dz3ct4jo1o 4 ай бұрын

Anyone watching this video, be advised that some type 7 Valdais do not have additional threading at all. Valdais manufactured in the 70s(serial number starts with 7) may have additional threading. Valdais manufactured in the 80s(serial number starts with 8) will not have any additional threading.