Not a sig fanboy or Springfield but Sig is ahead of almost everyone. The Echelon isn’t made by Springfield it’s manufactured in Croatia by HS Produkt Springfield just put their name on it. The Sig has P226, p229, P365, and the Legion series. At the end of the day all guns are guns and I support 2A.

​@@terryluu1713 How is Sig ahead of everyone? Just curious.

@@terryluu1713 not sure they are “ahead of anyone” they just add a couple mm here and there and release the same gun with a different name. I’m not a hater at all, they are great guns, it just seems that some people are stuck in the SIG box much like Glock people. Like you said, it’s about 2A. I appreciate all guns and brands

@@UnknownUser_0000 first to come with its own modularity with the fcu allowing you to interchange grip sizes, I just picked up a M18 and a Romeo X Pro. Sig is manufacturing their own sights, ammo, lights etc. They design the 17 round magazine first then the gun around it so a micro sub compact pistol can hold 17 without and base extension. Sounds smart to me. I only have one Sig gun out of 7 handguns, my favorite is the M&P 2.0.

@@TacticallyFitOfficial the reason why I think they are ahead of everyone is, they streamline their own products, optics that direct fits their own guns, lights, accessories, even ammo. Hence their aftermarket for them is insane, volumes and sales drives them and leading them ahead. But yes I love all gun brands my favorite is the M&P 2.0 but I personally give Sig for their credit.

Sig is amazing

I have an Icarus Percision grip in just about every flavor now and the metal frame is a game changer. Well worth the price they are selling.

So you're saying your support hand couldnt make contact on the HC pro's (larger) grip but it can on p365xl? I have both including the wilson combat grip you're full of it. Just another sig fan boi

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The frame has a better thumb shelf to help muzzle flip too.

Lol. I did buy the 17 round magazines the day they released because they gave a HUGE discount so I snagged 2 and paid $60. I also added a threaded barrel from Apex Tactical and a compensator when they released. The compensator I found on ebay from ktcraftsmn. I am planning to swap to a factory Hellcat Pro threaded barrel and self-indexing compensator from Springfield because I am planning to buy a suppressor.

I’m thinking the grip is giving it the extra edge. It’s much heavier b

Just my opinion, but I believe that you may be simply missing the fact that the p365 is somewhat magical and shoots better than the average micro 9. I have no dog in this hunt. I carry either a Canik MC9 (way nicer than people imagine) or a Glock 27. However, my wife owns the P365XL Rose, which has the spectre comp built into the slide just like the rest. it does nothing. This pistol just shoots that well. I borrowed an standard P365XL barrel, which runs through the 'comp' area out to the end of the slide, completely bypassing the 'comp', and it felt exactly the same to both of us. The P365XL is just kind of a magical formula, and it punches above it's class. We're now thinking of getting an actual P365XL barrel and having a nice barrel port (or two small ones) machined in the slide's 'comp' area. I am confident that will have a very nice effect on the snappiness that all micro 9's are known for, with zero effect on reliability.

I have the same exact problem with the trigger. I really want to love my hellcat Pro but the blister it causes is annoying like you said also it’s snappy even for being a 3.6 inch barrel, but I already have it. I’m not gonna buy a new gun for a comp , I’m kind of stuck maybe they will offer a slide and barrel upgrade

​@@positivereactions4044 I bought the Hellcat Pro when it was first released. The trigger blade safety was pinching my finger, the trigger guard was too short for my finger and the trigger guard undercut was giving me Glock knuckle. It triggered me 😠 so bad that I sold it after 2 range sessions and bought another P365XL. 😂

I certainly hope so.​@@positivereactions4044

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Many people did before this is released. Cost abt $200.

@@nicolathonathan770 Now in California? lol would this be ok or would it now be illegal ?

@@margritski I live in PA, I have no idea what weird regulation CA has. I won’t be surprised comp is illegal in CA.

Stop spreading lies. Not one p365 has shot on its own or shot when dropped. It’s ignorant to lie to make yourself feel better. I love my Glocks but sig is doing amazing especially the p365 line

I know. But that is how it’s labeled from the factory. Hence the comparison

Call it whatever you want but it works very well better than this. Hellcat comp

The comp on the sig does indeed work….. the non ported barrel allows for more reliability. In the video it’s clearly a flatter pistol….. you really can’t beat it still

Yo steve, you gonna be at oaks??

Not exactly true, when our old competition guns were comped by the factories they were all past the barrel. I will say that the comp integrated in the barrel is a better design.

Dumb argument

@@nusense808 you obviously don’t shoot because a trigger plays a huge role, I didn’t even mention the fact the sig has a higher capacity out the factory

The only reason the trigger is smoother is because Sig’s internal safeties are terrifying. Single point of failure and the striker pin is in the fully cocked position. The trigger doesn’t have to pull it back all the way before it is released in the Hellcat Pro, just like a Glock. Sig is ready to go which terrifies me when I have a gun pointed at my junk. Plus the 15 rounds in the hellcat is smaller than 15 rounds in a 365xl. I’d rather have the option to go with 15 from the factory and swap in a 17 round mag than be stuck with a 17 round mag.

@@iankeller5787 we’re talking about the x macro comp not the xl, Sig is just as safe as Springfield lol.. if you can’t afford a nice holster or you don’t know guns enough to trust to carry it that’s on you. It’s more expensive for a reason, the sig has a better trigger period. You saying it’s smoother because it’s less safe makes no sense. Shoot an x macro comp as fast as you can and do the same with the hellcat pro, the hellcats trigger HURTS haha

@@ChristopherDLVFalse, Sig 300 lineup uses drop sear and the firing pin block is at the back like S&W shield lineup, which is a single failure point. Hellcat and Glock use back and drop sear and the firing pin is at the tip of the pin. Glock and Hellcat are internally safer than Sig 300 lineup and Shield lineup. But it also make Glock and Hellcat trigger feel not as nice.

Sigs micro 9 is the p365

​@@jamhd12 and it's already better than the hellcat

@@Legatus2kx to each there own I carry a hellcat and a p320 and sometimes a FN

@@jamhd12 I carry a 365 legion but when I'm out for a long time its an XL

@@Legatus2kx long as it’s not an “innovative” Glock your good with me brother lol

It’s the metal grip that’s helping. Not everyone will have that.

Absolutely not flatter than the Sig.. Not even close.

I’m talking chunk ports like this. I know they had the PC ones. But those were small

@@Steve_MP5 I see what you are saying now. As far as the size. I have it at home now and it still amazes on how flat it shoots. I wonder why they never moved in more of these with production

@@Steve_MP5 Good video as well… as soon as it hits the store I’m gonna get one.

@@Steve_MP5 and speaking of “chunk ports” that thing looks like a sunroof

@@AVERAGESHOOTER313Glock wasn’t the first polymer gun but it’s the one that is the most recognized for it. That’s what matters

It’s the grip though.

@@Steve_MP5 even without the grip the xmacro is a sexier gun! But yes probably need a stock compare without the Icarus

Also gotta figure the p365 with that grip cost probably double what the Hellcat does. One would hope this would light a fire under Sigs ass and have them drop prices to compete. But it's doubtful.

Wilson combat grip is perfect