kicked because you wouldnt reinforce when there is a jammer nearby or ion storm. or they leave because they are impatient. its so pathetic

The same people that kick you for farming samples are probably the same people who don't understand collected samples ARE SHARED.

This is unfortunately what happens when you give idiots any kind of power or authority in games

This is why I mostly just host my own missions and never kick. If no one joins I’m fine to play solo, but if someone does, great. If they’re bad or low level, that’s fine, I just try to carry and guide them, or let them do their thing and try to just have fun or maybe learn a thing or two from them.

LMAO I remember hosting a launch nuke mission on difficulty 4. Things went well, my squad broke off into 2s, and the other pair were struggling to stay alive. Once the missile was launched i asked if they wanted to grab the extra objectives and samples. They said okay, we went down to 4 stocks and the 4th member died while 2nd and myself were in the middle of a breach fight. The 3rd refused to call in the dead member and to top it off they both left the samples across map... then my 2nd started the timer by walking into the pelican. I just shut down my computer, i needed a break. It felt good to feel grass and pet the neighborhood cats.

From 15 to 0 reinforce. Lets go

Helldive difficulty, Against bugs, Had a team that split off with 2 going for samples, and 2 staying at base. We were done within 8 minutes with little to no trouble. This is 100% the way to play this mission, and it's sad that people can kick you over this.

The entire time, 2 lvl 7s were passive aggressive at me lvl 46 not being by their side while I did the other side objectives. There was a rogue research station RIGHT NEXT to extraction, and they still complain I wasn't even at extraction. Then when bringing up that I was doing the side objectives, they literally respond with "Don't care. Didn't ask". Golden.

I've been kicked for DOING the objective. Dropped in mid mission, split from the team that was dying over and over at a side obj. Completed that side obj, a main obj and a side on my own. And while making my way back to the team, they kicked me. We desperately need at the very least a vote-kick system.

Just met some dudes last night and the scientist mission was coming up. They were trying to figure out how to do it on mic and i suggested the fight away from the objective. Worked so well we ran three more sets of missions and farmed so many samples. Added each other as friends too. All this to say. There are def many many idiots but when folks do listen, it works better than you can imagine.

When I'm kicked out of a mission for no reason, I block the host. If I don't remember who the host was, I block everyone from the mission.

I don't even bother doing this defence mission because people can't work out this is the way to do it. I gave up weeks ago.

You know they are gonna kick you if they die a lot.

Got grouped up with randoms at 7 difficulty. No comms, except if we encounter 2 doors. All 4 of us did the objectives separately. We still managed to extract with full samples, full objectives and full helldivers. Where ever those 3 are now, I salute you.

For what it's worth, this game's average player is pretty dull-edged, and Retrieve Essential Personnel is probably the least intuitive mission in the game. I think it could do with a minor update to improve how it communicates to players. The fact that most people don't know that sitting on the base is why it's such an impossible task to begin with is largely because the other mission types teach players to get on the point and get it done, and in general, they reward that kind of play as well.

3:14 That loadout for this kind of mission is somehow worse than my joke loadouts. I'm impressed.

Dude the amount of people picking up sample drops left behind at the pelican pickup point to only lose them again on the otherside of the map, i swear i almost 😢, situational awareness or iq test???

Reinforce 20 -> 0 speed run any%

Guy was raging at a teammate, I said “dude don’t be toxic”, he thought I was the guy he was raging at and kicked me 💀

4:38 I'm pretty sure, almost 100%, that is a glitch where you don't see someone's loadout but they do have all their weapons and stratagems picked and filled in

Joined a level 9 match a couple days ago and a guy killed me twice IMMEDIATELY with cluster bombs. Back to back. Less than 60 seconds into the level. Cluster bombs in an area where they weren't needed. Cluster bombs where he didn't announce his intention before using them. Where I was already standing before he threw the cluster on top of me. They don't close bug holes. They don't do damage to heavies. They're practically useless when thrown in a bug lair that only has a charger and me in it. They sure are good at killing teammates though. Then, after he killed me twice he kicked me. I swear using quickplay is going to give me brain cancer.

I got kicked on an “evacuate high value assets mission”, before it started, just because we were PREPARING, and I was thinking of bringing mines. One of the guys said “let him defend democracy how he wants, but those mines are kind of sus.” When I decided to bring the second set of mines over some other stratagem, the guy didn’t even give me a second to change, he just said no he isn’t” to the other guy and kicked me. Give power to idiots, and they will quickly run themselves, and everybody else, into the ground.

I have been saying this SOO MANY TIMES, STAYING IN THE OBJ WONT DO SHIT.

Only time I got kicked was joining a difficulty 5 match, they were already under 5 reinforces, another random left a few minutes later because all 3 of them couldn't stop dying. Finished main objective and called extract, mainly to take dropship flares because even when facing patrols they wouldn't avoid dying. Got kicked after defending it for a little bit, I guess they figured I was going to leave immediately or didn't know how extract works after it arrives. No voice chat or comms from the randoms. Either way they probably Mission Failed without reinforcements before they managed to clear the map.

I’m lvl 89 and have had lvl 70s and above back out when we select this mission because they don’t know how to do it

This is why I always host my games. I only kick people if they’re dicks. I’ve mostly had good experiences with randoms on helldive but I think that’s because people usually lock in more on helldive. The lower difficulties are where you find the weirdos.

Even though I know this mission can be done, I avoid it anyway. Never know what people are gonna do there. Not a gambling man.

Seemed like when you communicated your intentions and got agreement with your team mates that it went a lot better than when you just did your own thing and assumed they'd know and understand.

Ever since the first time you posted this strategy of having at least one runner on these missions, I have been doing the same. It has been nearly flawless. My friend group lives by this method now. IT WORKS!

thank you for teaching me this new strategy. me and my 2 other friends were doing this exact mission but we usually failed since we all would always just fight on the base. after following your advice we actually ended up having a lot better time and we managed to get some samples as well. crazy to think that some people are this oblivious to this type of advice.

Been taking your advice, watching your content and I've drastically improved. I'm nearing lvl 100 now, I can carry nearly any team through anything these days, but this happens to me often. I'll encourage players to follow me, give them advice and try to help, but some can't be saved from themselves. I feel your frustrations.

Can confirm, if everyone stays in the base, we seem to constantly lose. Besides... why kick someone for having a different playstyle? Either find a core group rather than playing with Pubbies, or just deal with the fact that people have different playstyles. Approaching LoL levels of toxicity

I dont play the missions that constantly call in drops anymore people have no idea how to do them

I also think part of this is the game gives players no training on bugs. We've been fighting for months and still have no player tutorials on stealth and spawns for new players. Having a satirically bad training session for players is cute, but that means your players have no idea whats going on, and not in a fun constructive way. Lol i didn't know till I was like level 30 that the 500KG nuke has unlimited uses, but 2 uses between re-arm. The stratagem menu doesn't explain re arms, and doesn't distinguish between limited use stratagems that can never be called again, and ones that need a cooldown time

I remembered fighting alongside with two high levelers (+70 to 80 levels) and one low levelers (+20 to 30 levelers), the host complained that low leveler can't figured out how to kill enemy without killing friendly with arc thrower and going to kick him out But I stood up for low leveler and convinced him to give him some time to experience, also pointing out it is toxic response. Other high leveler tried to say it is "reasonable" but I disagreed and say we're not going to kick him out being so hard on inexperienced player. Yeah, the host decided not to kick out and did get in the shuttle for extraction. You need to understand that just because you see high levelers doesn’t mean they always know what to do, they would get themselves handled like four times and then left without hesitation. So low or high levelers can still be bad.

The trouble with retrieve essential personnel is that it gives you exclusively both ends of the bell curve. When you learn more about the game you realise these missions aren't fun and you avoid them. Then eventually you decide you're good enough to work on conquering them. So only the best and the worst are still around

I save the kicking for after the mission is done. But at least the people i see are always cool. Some dogwater bad players here and there

"What's the most frustrating thing in HD2" For me, it's starting an op to get the personal order done (like Mines or rocket pods, etc.), getting 3 lemmings who proceed to chase ME around the map as I do all the objectives and work, then bitch at ME when I don't reinforce or throw the thing like 60 meters away from me.

I’ve only ever kicked 3 players during a mission, 2 of them in the same op. All three cases it was them trying to tk and grief. First guy was shouting something in German and tried to shoot me, so I killed em and kicked em. Second two (few days later) tried to call and Eagle on me, missed, and then tried shooting each other

My most amusing kick was when a guy thought I took his rover backpack, when actually I'd grabbed my shield backpack. He asked "YO, DID YOU GRAB MY ROVER??" and kicked me before I could even respond "No" on voice. His rover was sitting on the ground... This, on a suicide automaton mission!

I like to quickplay and help people with their missions. Sometimes I solo but being maxed out on stuff feels fun to help. Most of the community is nice, and most are understanding if you're solo but helping. But I've been shot because someone thought I picked up their support weapon. I think we need to try and spread the word that defense missions need people to leave the point, seems like most of the community doesn't know still. I also see lvl 11-20 at helldive and feel it's a bit too early for most. I'm not for capping helldive or anything, i just feel a better system maybe for getting to hell 9. Like beating each difficulty campaign twice. No cap when playing with friends though. I also feel a solution to being kicked is whatever samples/credits have been collected by the team, you keep if kicked. While you lose out some exp and such, at least you get something.

What if theirs a stratagem to blow up habitual kickers destroyer ship? Thoughts?

I was playing on helldive a mission in a way that could only be described as "beautiful", I never died, I was reviving everyone and at the time of extract I got kicked out.

If team is good there is zero problem sticking together and fighting everything off. I've seen plenty of people doing your strat just dying alone at some objective they tried to solo again and again.

Why isn't being kicked the same as when you loose connection to your team? When you loose connection you're still in the mission but your squad all left.

Got kicked few mins ago because I went to get super samples and helped other teammates side objectives, and got kicked, I had most of samples, frick them.

side note, if your collecting samples what stratagems would you prefer i bring ? on the defense missions ?

I don't remember the exact mission I was playing, but i was playing with some level 20's. These were the type of players that shot at every patrol and sat at one location and kept fighting the up hill battle with no obj in sight. So I basically cleared the whole map of samples and obj's while they were on their killing spree. They were so focused on killed they didn't notice all the obj's got done and were showing up to them like oh its done already. Mission ends and i have like 50 something samples and no deaths and they're were so shocked by the amount samples i had they called me a cheater 3 times and kicked me. It also doesn't help that one guy got rag dolled out of the map due to an explosion and i recovered his samples by almost becoming a traitor and retrieving them before the 10 second countdown finished lmao. People are clueless XD

same!!! got kicked becuz the host was dying so much refusing to move on to the next objective... lots of dumb players

This is the only mission where I still don't have my marks.. something felt off considering the size of the map. Even if the objectif is focused on a very small area, the map is really wide open so it only makes sense trying to use that available space. Question : Let's say you split in 2 teams, what would you advice to go with as for the loadouts ? Without specifically naming a very detailled list of things to carry obv. Turrets ? Smokes ? (I heard people talking about smokes as it would reduced the chance the pods come to you, no idea if it is true or not) | Recoiless rifle + supply packs for the outsiders to shoot as many ships .. ?

Is this more common on helldive difficulties? I mostly play on 7 or 8 bots since its less CBT, and have only ever been kicked once

Ahahahaha these noobs are wild. Was playing with a lvl 102 recently who got mad at me for the same thing. Except I had gotten a second player to go around the map the opposite way. Dude likely kicked the other player as well. What an idiot.

Only time I kicked someone was when we were doing a kill 500 bots mission he died twice before the bot drops even came in so I kicked him

Have had missions where I cleaned the whole map of its samples and were kicked while running back in the end when the mission failed. My biggest problem is not being kicked but the loss of time and not getting samples.

5:55 Mortar giveth and the mortar taketh.

This is because this operation isn't designed well at all. Not a single part of this is intuitive at all.

Not all players are going to be constantly online and watching videos or scrolling through reddit. It's the game's fault for not explaining how patrols and drops work. I'm not saying it's okay to kick people under these circumstances but can't get mad at people when from their perspective all they're seeing is someone running around and not helping. "Bot drop" still shows up on their screen and not everyone will have the awareness to know it's not nearby. I haven't personally been kicked for doing this because I usually am in chat explaining what I'm doing- or I'm just lucky.

Do you think that higher difficulties like Suicide to Helldive should have level requirements in order to play them? I mean level doesnt always dictate experience or game knowledge but still, it's frustrating even hosting a lobby and having level 15s or below join your mission on those difficulties.

i try explaining the way to play that mission so many time and people just dont listen. it's frustrating man

All the sample farmers.. please join my games, I would love to have you. /hug

I just gotta say, that if this is the proper way to beat the mission, it needs to be better designed to encourage it. Playing it "properly" gets you swarmed.

Hey ohdough, thanks for this video! I have a little note from my side: Few days ago i was playing on Level 7 frist time with automatons and i didnt know about the gunships and about their factories. So i started shooting the ships. Then some guy told me not to shoot them but destroy the factory. I asked him which one it was and was going like - "you're serious right now?" (He was speeking, i was just replying with the keyboard) I told him i was sorry, then tried my best to destroy it with the factories with egales, until i figured out that it just can be destroyed with a hellbomb. I even was able to manage to place a hellbomb and started typing, then i died again. Then he started: please, dont ever come back here until you figured out the game on higher levels. I left then by myself. I was feeling really useless since then and also a bit angry. I understood him, but i whished that he would lead me in this special Moment, not making me feel more unsecure. Im open for everything and i love when players act together. But in this case i felt like i dont belong in this game. But i started watching your Videos and no im starting to understand the missions, weapons more and more. But like i said. Not everyone watches hours of content before, so i would loooove get some guiding from higher leveled players. That would bring back the concept of community.❤

Reposition and tactical retreat are words they don’t know. Some people think they have to wipe every bot on map. Then get caught in a loop of eternal deaths and enemy reinforcements. Don’t mention there are two detection towers they totally ignore 😆

I don't join other people's games haven't been kicked in weeks

i find bots to be easier when you have things "under control" but bugs are WAY easier to recover from. bots start to chase your respawn down in armour you can't respond to without grenades or your support weapon while throwing nonsense at you in swarms of o-zone and con-trails, were as most bugs can be dealt with out of the box with only a need for the big-guns for the 2-3 targets that announce themselves and let you KNOW they are coming for you in particular. So once a bot-mission starts to get over-ran most people spiral into chain-deaths and isiotic reinfrocement placement (the beacons not the actual auto-aim flinging you directly onto the opposite side of the pack that just merced you (now w/o your weapons/packs), whereas a bug swarm is at it's worse just after it spawns in but any method of thinning that herd can allow you to retreat, recover, bait the enemy away form where you died then swoop back in for some payback (unless a hunter leap-crits into a rag-doll head-mets-rock or a spitter decides to aim-ahead and melt you in flamethrower TTKs (even after the nerf they still hurt like hell)

I hear so much conflicting information about how enemy spawns work. Until now I was told repeatedly by others that each group of players has it's own "heat" pool that will spawn it's own enemies, so if you split off you don't reduce spawns, but rather increase the spawns. I don't know what to believe at this point, the spawn system in this game seems overly complex and unintuitive, and doesn't make seem to make much sense. Either that or people are overcomplicating it and it's really a lot simpler than people think. I just wish I knew what was the case.

just did this mission with some friends was like hey i watched this video this morning lets try it one of us go out and do stuff and it went so smooth the buddy who was out and about was shocked like wait we are already done ? Not a single drop on the main area till the last person was saved .

I'm convinced levels 45-55 are where players seem to think they know everything about the game. I'm level 89 and I understand that there's likely still something I don't know about the game. But that range of levels is full of people who actually think they know 100% how the game works and it shows most on this particular mission type. Edit: 6:12 mortars aren't a throw pick on this mission set. They're a grief pick. EMS is fine, regular is just grief city.

I hope they add some form of system to reduce/combat toxicity . Just because the game is coop doesnt mean that everyone who plays is friendly.

Idk, even if drops/breaches were not attracted to players, i would be fine with one dude going around getting samples/creds while we do the mission. When AH adds buggy it would be even more fun.

And this is why I now run all my games with squads I pick up from a discord server where I know that pretty much everyone knows what they are doing. Funniest trick we have for these missions is for everyone to bring one 'Panic Button' strategem (380mm, Laser etc.) and if the objective gets overrun those on it toss those into it then run off away from the objective in the opposite direction from the pair out making noise. Clears it out, and gives a chance for the pair out on the map to reacquire aggro while they break contact and go stealthy for a bit

Tbh it's a game design's fault, not the player's. It's not really intuitive that the most effective way to complete that mission is to have 1-3 people stray off the objective and run around. You don't find out about that strategy unless you search for it online, which most people don't nor should they have to.

I got kicked for staying in an area to upload escape pod data long after the other three had left the quadrant. Guys didn’t even try to communicate any grievances to me. I was thirty to forty levels above them. It wasn’t close to extraction so it’s not like we were ever coming back. Im still tilted about it. I do find using a mic without being prompted in order to communicate your next move is the key to avoiding these situations. A little heads up that you’re going to neutralize a jammer on your lonesome goes a long way.

I've found that if I VC before the game starts that one or more of us need to be running around collecting samples it usually works out. That being said I'm almost always four stacked with ppl on discord so I rarely play with randoms and I'm normally the host or know the host, so my datepoints for avoiding kicks is low.

The first time someone went sample farming on a mission I was in, everyone on the objective died and we were sent to him. my first immediate thought was, “oh shoot! He’s griefing!” but because I actually tried to see why he was doing it, I realized he was actually helping, and we completed the objective. It pays to be patient, Helldivers

they see us having way better wr using the split strat and they are blaming it on bad game design, they dont even know what they are saying (of course leddit is full of these people)

kick needs to be removed from game once match has been started

I always see you use dominator over scorcher, do you think scorcher is also good and just prefer dominator or think that the stun is what makes dominator better?

Hey, I am a noob, I bought the game about 2 weeks ago. I am not complain, just wondering, going patrol in this mission is good against bugs or not? I was doing this, making about 30 bugs, 2 charger and 1 titan after me, hoping this will decrease the pressure of my teammates in objective. I think I am pretty success being a bait but not sure how effective to the mission, one thing I knew was my teammates doesn’t like it. They call me as “walking in park”. The host is a nice guy though, he kick me after get back to the ship instead of during the mission.

Blame the devs mainly. It’s a terrible game design moment. Like it goes against logic that they’re after you and not the civilians. They need to change the mission

Hi buddy

One player can cover the extraction while the other 3 members farm the samples in about 5 mins unchallenged by maybe 1 random patrol. Call in extraction and leave the extraction area at 0 seconds and Pelican 1 will go into a HOLDING pattern above the LZ and can cover a 360 wide range of area demolishing everything chasing you. Just circle parallel to the area outside the LZ. Once 1 Helldiver goes inside that radius outside the LZ Pelican 1 will land. I recommend heading to the LZ within the last 2 minutes. You will exfil without worry because Pelican 1 will have obliterated all adversaries within anyone's radius!

first comment and i'm not even subbed

This is why I don't play with randoms

T3chnically with a good team, uou can do both strat. Hold the line for the first part, sample runs and pulling aggro while one stays to press the button for the second part. But yeah, best way to combat this is back to the re-education camp.

I will be honest, I have just stopped dropping on this mission if it's in progress when I join, or if the team refuses to drop outside of town.

I got team killed then forced to watch them play like shit and at the very end of the mission they threw a 380mm barrage and tried to throw me and assuming the other random(they also team killed this guy) into it. They didn’t expect me to absolutely destroy them when I landed. Go figure both were play station scrubs. Another case that happened immediately afterwards: join a game and we were half way through a match and host died and continued to spam the button so I refused to throw him in because I was busy and also on the opposite side of the map. I finally throw him and he tried to land on me so I dove away and fired a shot in his direction and while he was in his I frames of the pod animation and when he came out he tried to shoot me so I killed him and he kicked me🤣

lol the mortar teamkills. i felt them in my soul.

I saw your first video on this and I had never beat this mission above 6 at the time. I then proceeded to load up a level 9 extract important personnel and beat it super easily with 3 people just by having 2 people run off the base and do other stuff

Randoms always fucking leave after dying once

i really want to know what you think about the laser canon

I know what you are saying about "everyone can't be host" but I started hosting all my games and I haven't been kicked since. Also, I have never kicked another player. So I'm doing my part to balance the cosmos.

I want to thank you for letting me know about this, this will make the mission easier.

Not related to getting kicked, but you know how people like to call in airstrikes and all that at the end of the mission when you’re about to get on the pelican? I was dead and we were out of reinforcements. They call in all of their shit (with no enemies around mind you) and DIE before making it inside the pelican because they wanted to look cool. Because of this, we lost all of our samples for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

What's your opinion on players all doing their own thing on the open map missions?

I’m lvl 120, dropped together into an eradicate bug mission, other two players were constantly dying or just standing around watching. Got kicked. No idea.

I only ever kick deliberate trolls or people being afk for too long, which is really rare. I even had a guy who would def kick me if he could, he was lv15 and went on to argue that somehow I was the one who was clueless (a lv80 at the time; that's 200-250 hours of in-mission time) and somehow I was the one who was confused and idk what else he said to me, this went on for 10 minutes. The funniest thing was that it all started because a cadet spawned him away of his dead body, and he was pissed, and I was literally pretending that it was me who spawned him to divert his anger. I didn't kick him. It's not that I'm great or a better human, I just believe it's a responsible thing to do. This game spurs emotions and people make mistakes, learning how to live and cope with all that "shame" and "guilt" and "annoyance" and having to learn new stuff is how we become better people. Kicking that guy would make me feel petty from the inside. I felt petty for abandoning the game ONE TIME, because it was really really shitty. It was the last minute on some 'Hard' mission and the other 3 players were all scrambling and dying on the extraction, surrounded by 12 hulks and countless rocket devs. I killed a couple of hulks, dodged the rockets, but once I saw how incompetent the rest of them were, I was like "wtf is this, I really don't want to be part of this, I just got here" it was almost automatic. And then I felt bad regardless. But I bet they'd kick me or blame me anyway, that's just how my intuition developed: whenever I see massively incompetent people in this game, it's the silence that scares me. If there is any humility in them, they immediately come across and say 'sorry' (in chat or otherwise) and try to stick around, no foul emotions, no eerie silence, no weird sounds coming from their mics. I have grown quite a list of in-game friends who were like this, and we like to jump in each other's games, knowing what to expect. But sometimes I just play 'Suicide' because statistics favors the decent and competent players. Hard is on the top of the Bell's curve, that's why I play it, but when I'm doing Suicide or above, I do it to recuperate my social nerves (and ofc to collect some supersamps). People with anger issues and tantrums, man... And many of them aren't even that young.

Well to anyone who doesn’t know: splitting up does spawn more patrols but you don’t always have to engage some patrols. And reinforcements will only spawn in one place so that’s an advantage of splitting. People kick for stupid reasons.

Used to be, there was no space beyond the essential personnel or eradication mission zone. Lately I've been noticing some maps where you can go quite far from the objective and not get branded a traitor. But I think that's new?

In all cases when I kicked someone, it was simply because I forgot to turn on the private game and there was not enough space in team for my friend.