WOW!

I joined the discord the second I saw the link.

I usually don't really enjoy watching negative reviews, and I usually don't enjoy watching long reviews. But this is an exception. Edit: House of the Dragon review next, maybe?

Nope. Not just you. I really enjoyed Terra Nova. *shouts into the void,* *'season 2, where are you?'*

Thanks Tim, for striving to build a bigger table!

This is honestly such a good way to boil down why Rings of Power failed so spectacularly. "Winter is coming" makes you feel something, it's ominous. "The sea is always right" just makes you go.....what? What does that mean? There's no emotion attached to it other than vague confusion.

@@aperson9847I love how elendil says the sea is always right, but his wife drowned, like the writers didn’t put two seconds of thought into this.

Compare this to "one does not simply walk into Mordor." Yes it's been memed to hell, but there WAS REASON for the line to be said. Here? It just doesn't make sense.

I don't know why, this line reminded of when Dom Toretto said: The street always wins 🤣🤣

“What is Dead May Never Die” too cuz the Ironborn are more of the seafaring boat folk of Planetos

I’ll always appreciate the recurring bond between two of my favorite KZfaq channels

Did we all just mishear Tim calling Doctor Who poorly written.

@@mathwiz1007 My experience with KZfaq is basically realizing that most of my favorite KZfaqrs know each other.

​@@joryjones6808i adore Doctor Who with all my heart, but it is no stranger to poor writing. It doesnt mean i wont love it, but it is there. It also has some of the best writing ive ever had the pleasure of experiencing. ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe agreed on all accounts

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

That sounds like a good reality show: "The Dirty Hobbits"

WOW 😂😂😂

This is too good🤣

I can't decide if I should tell you to get out, or to stay here and make more jokes. Genuinely torn

Lol

😂😂😂

Even Legolas learns what humanity and "being a man" is. He's an elf; they're just kinda naturally better than humans in most ways. But he becomes friends with a dwarf, with Hobbits, with men. And he's still badass just like Aragorn. They aren't emasculated by showing their humanity. In fact by showing humanity they're stronger for it.

Aragorn doesn't actually bow to the hobbits (and definitely there is no mass wave of bowing before them), that's more a movie thing. He does get down a knee in the camp at the Field of Cormallen after sitting them (Frodo and Sam) on his throne, but that was likely more about getting to their eye level given how it's presented. He also praised them (shouting, "Praise them with great praise!") for all they-again, Frodo and Sam-had done, but the line, "My friends, you bow to no one" is a Jacksonian addition. It may be a bit of a modernism given that we generally don't think royalty in entitled to obeisance in the way that medieval people did and Tolkien had many pre-modern sensibilities arising from his love of medieval stories.

Boom! Like 101 baby. Great equation.

​@Pandaemoni well if that's a movie change it's one that I can't find any fault in.

A HFMxCinema Therapy collab NEEDS to happen!!

Man carrying the comments section

Mr Memelord over here thinking he knows anything about BookTube. /s

You're the absolute legend who never misses! The man who carried the thing! 😱

I know this guy!

Too true, everytime I hear the outrage in his voice when asking _"8 out of 10?!"_ I can't stop laughing 😂

It's this right here ^ why I spent a good deal of the first season gaslighting myself that it was going to work out. The whole time I was thinking "they're teasing some stupid twists but there are better ideas at play". But then episode 8 happened and I realised I was deceived 😅

I prayed that he ended up being the mouth of sauron, there's not a lot of lore behind him so there's all kinds of ways they could go with it

@@Henez89we were all of us deceived 😔

Trouble is the witchking of angmar is the lead nazgul,the other 8 are just lesser human kings who took the rings without a thought of deceit just greed,sauron was never a wraith nor did he get a ring of power,he didnt need one as he created the one...to rule the others,why would he need one of the 3 he gave the elves 3 to dwarves

Don’t disrespect Captain Holt like that

Hahaha 🤣 YESS!

Yass queen!

The only emotion they have in abundance is anger and it's just juvenile anger at that.

@@nont18411 I always call him Lex Luthor's evil twin. ^^

The show is merely ok at best and downright stupid at the worst. My biggest problem is that the show isn’t memorable. Even the Hobbit movies had plenty of memorable moments for me, and the Lord of the Rings movies were chock full of wonderful, memorable, amazing moments. This show…barely anything stands out. I remember in a few reviews seeing the scene where Galadriel shouts “ There is a tempest in me!” and I legitimately had no memory of seeing that in the show.

There was originally a part of the script where I got my friend, who does not know LotR, to try and recount the plot for RoP. It was rhe funniest stuff because she remembered like none of it but sadly did not fit anywhere. ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe would love to have seen that! Alternatively, it would be a great short 😆

yeah, that pretty much sums it up. And for the amount of money they spent not being able to create a single memorable moment is a feat on itself.

I watched ROP with a couple of friends who "liked it". I say "liked it" because I have asked them to recount or even mention one scene that they were happy was there or they really enjoyed. They could only say that they "liked to be back in the world again."

Yes 😅 I later clarify the random chain of events in that, but yes, she was not shipwrecked - she found herseld on a shipwreck. ~ Tim

I remember an old story written by Jack London about a man who was on the ship that sank. They did not have rescue boats but he swam over a full day and reached the land. In the beginning of the story though, the writer gave a very convicning description this man, how amazingly strong he was, and also optimistic and amazingly set on things he plans to do. Why could they not give something liek that to Guyladriel? I know, because there were no writers on the team. They are all just hacks who got this job through connections with Jar Jar Abrams I believe.

They could have made the show about a deep dive into soooooo many other things, but they pick something they can barely talk about? Make it make sense!

@@Casualete Right. So many stories either in or suggested by the LOTR text rather than cover areas people know and doing it wrong.

Yep also it would in all likelihood led to revolts or people outright leaving that tribe and forming their own. Like imagine your best friend is abandoned because of an curable injury. Do the writers think nomadic people who would value loyalty and have a strong bond with each other would be accepting of such a decision? The tradition would never even start in the first place because the first time someone attempted it, they'd have many others fighting for their friend and his/her family or giving them the finger and leaving with their friends. Than there's another thing nomadic people need a bunch of families as having multiple bloodlines is important else we get into the inbreeding stage and at that point the whole tribe is screwed. Very unlikely for them to find another hobbit family to join up when they're constantly migrating and suspicious of outsiders anyway. Nomad life was rough and sticking together through thick and thin is what kept them alive. You start betraying or throwing away life's in that style of life and no-one will trust you. Someone would stab the leader at that point for murder/revenge.

I can say the same with hunter gather society they didn't have the strict view of gender that people like to think or what the 1950s have it sometimes women where found to be hunter or men doing what people think was a women job also these society whete sometimes step up differently form another some would view private property as a joke or sometimes women where the leaders i don't thunk it was the norm but it did happens in reality as oppose to it never and it show how women are as capable as men sure men are stronger but that isn't everything and itt doesn't give that much of an advantage and women are able to fight too

100% and thank you for saying it. Historically humans survive though PRO-social behaviors. These harfoots wouldn't last a couple generations like this.

​@@USSAnimeNCC-hunter gathers did have gender division of labor with most of the time men being hunters and women gathers, Leadership was mostly about age and no they wouldn't find the concept of private property funny as they didn't have surplus production to produce property, so they wouldn't know why that concept even is Of course we are using your Marxist detention here in which "personal property" isn't considered private property

@@MajorSmurf Plus it would inspire fear that it could happen to you. I mean, it's already a terrible thing for them to threaten to leave behind your friend or parent, but if it is something they'd regularly do (especially for things that aren't their fault), then how sure can anybody be that they themselves would be safe in this group? If the moment it becomes even slightly inconvenient they'd ditch anybody they could, why even invest in this group? Yes, if there is no hope of escape for the herd a group of animals (of which humans are part of) will leave behind those that they cannot save. But they usually have tried. Newborn calfs are often kept in the center with the adults trying to shield them. Only when they have to run an the child get's bitten and dragged down, THEN and only then do they decide to cut their losses. But they slow down for injured ones on their travels.

For as flawed as they are, they're still at least entertaining. You don't entirely question their existence like with Rings of Power.

I had no idea about this! Would have been a fascinating tidbit to include. ~ Tim

​@@HelloFutureMeCoincidentally Nerd of the Rings _just_ released a video about it! Haven't seen it yet, but it's gotta be worth something coming from him

@@HelloFutureMethe full manuscript of the scrapped ~2.1 chapters can be found in The History of the Hobbit edited by John Rateliff

damn

THIS!!!

for me, the worst thing was, they attached story of Luthien's Dance to their version of Galadriel... it's was story inspired by Tolkien and his Wife... such disrespect.

Updatin for modern audience these days sounds like a control shot in the head of the project.

I wondered if it would be something like this as well. Though I also thought Halbrand would have been a good nazgûl

Oh that would have been really cool, and nicely tied together all the random threads

They don't have the rights to Annatar...

As equally Tolkien as RoP was

@@GonzoTehGreat I used it as an example of a name… he has many names

In fact, the opposite (to continue with your last sentence): the hobbits with their love of simple life and hidden virtues like courage, loyalty and perseverance were Tolkien's love letter to the English every-man (by his own admission). He understood people's need for high stories of larger-than-life heroism, but he also understood that we need them precisely to help us find these qualities in our own humble selves.

This is a really good way of putting it. I had not thought of it like that, but yes - that was a common theme, and partly why they felt so bland! ~ Tim

Honestly, it's probably a reflection of how they (at least subconsciously) see irl lower and middle classes

Why in the world were the hobbits all so dirty???

@@lydiaalexian1435the hygiene expert sprained their ankle and was left behind 💀

Halbrand

@@deceiver444 corrected

Not to be that guy but I believe you mean "summary" or "summarization".

I remember thinking the show was pretty decent overall. Then the Sauron reveal happened, and I realized I'd completely forgotten that Halbrand was supposed to be important. Could not remember a single thing he'd said or done before teaching the "master smith" about alloys, and I think I'd muddied his and Isildur's characters together in my head. I didn't bother a rewatch to try parsing them out.

Ehm, no? How is ROP structured around "Hallbrand reveal"? The reveal is literally last 30 minutes of episode. It dit not drive the plot at all - quite opposite, the plot specifically sent that dude to find some scroll - to facilitate this reveal. Nothing prior to that was contributing to the actual "reveal" ever, lmao.

Genuine question, could you elaborate on the hypocrisy? Are you saying HFM's critique is on par with any other "Woke Bro" so to call them out is hypocrisy? Are you saying HFM is critiqueing them from the other end of the political spectrum instead of being a neutral party? Please share!

@@eyjay1508 precisely the point people here seem to conveniently looking over

@@eyjay1508100%. The folks in question hardly talk about their politics. They talk about the politics of Hollywood and how it impacts the audience.

​@@greyknight627Those people talking about politics all the time.What are you talking about.

Film makers insert politics into film. Woke bro's point out the inserting of politics. Tim accuses the woke bros of inserting politics. The the classic its ok to do it, but not point it out/ its ok when we do it hypocracy.

Little Platoon and I have talked, and are looking to talk more. I removed the section because while talking about men's issues, mental health, and masculinity are important, and I will do so in the future, I want my channel to be a positive place for people, and I didn't feel the last section lived up to that as best I could. ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe I‘m glad you talked to Platoon. Don’t get me wrong. You made some valid points about some of the others. When it comes to that group, I just wish people would leave Platoon and Mauler out of it.

@@morgenstern2603Why do they choose to associate with that community?

@@pastlife960 I don’t know them personally, but I assume to promote their channels. It is hard to make your channel successful, if you don’t have others to promote it. They are all individuals, and I don’t believe in guilt by association.

​@@HelloFutureMeI'm glad to hear that you two were able to talk; I hope you can discuss more with him and some of the others you mentioned, since I feel he was not the only one unfairly maligned in the video.

Well there is Genghis khans childhood where he and his family was abandoned when his father died and were left behind

I’m agreeing that the actions in the show were stupid given the context but abandoning others when their a burden does happen

@@lazndlon7687 That was a conscious, political move. Because his father was the former chieftain of the tribe, and the new one wanted his potential opposition gone.

This myth is annoying and pernicious. Humans are naturally cooperative. Our capacity to cooperate in exquisite detail across a huge gamut of tasks, not just hunting or self-defence, is one of our defining features and alongside tool use is a key driving force to why it’s us living in cities cleared of all threats rather than wolves or bonobos or octopodes. People claiming otherwise are not only incorrect, but usually trying to make a political cudgel with which to advocate for anti-social policies

@@TAP7a If humans are naturally cooperative then why are their so many conflicts. When life is easy everyone works together but if resources become scarce or someone’s power is threatened then humans will naturally look out for themselves and their families

I do hope we get even a partial adaptation of the Silmarillion someday. Doesn't have to go into the weeds with the creation myths or trying to tell the whole damn story in one go, but you can easily get amazing stories from just using the Beren & Luthien or the Children of Hurin arcs.

@@paulgibbon5991 I agree. I would be interested in seeing that. I love the genuinely mythical character that the creation stories and epic legends of the Silmarillion has.

Even if they had the rights for "The Downfall of Numenor" it would not change anything, because everything Tolkien ever wrote about the Second Age is not more than an outline. Every Second Age show - no matter who tries to make it - has to create tons of additions, otherwise we would never see any Second Age adaptation at all.

When the Soviet Fellowship outshines your billion dollar monstrosity... you know you done f'ed up...

Rung of Pow-wow at the Amazon studios....

Simply put he isn't

I agree, but his response was...not a great look on him.

@@dukesilver3491his response was well justified

@supersuit5790 not saying he shouldn't respond but he fully defended all the chuds. Anyone who doesn't see any problem with the kind of nonsense Shad, drinker, Nerdrotic etc say completely loses any credibility in my eyes.

He’s not

No, stop, that’s too interesting! We can’t have that! /s

I was also hoping for this, or that he’d turn out to be the king from the Paths of the Dead and befriend Isildur before betraying him.

I wrote an entire tumblr post detailing what I wished happened, and this was a HUGE thing I wanted. Let us see the slow decline of his mental health and corruption by Sauron and the rings!!!! LET ME SEE INNER TURMOIL WITH HIS FRIENDS AND HIS MORALS AND HIS DESIRE FOR POWER UGH

@@rae3781 This is why Tv Series are longer than movies, so the slow progression can let us see this kind of thing

That would have been cool to watch

Truly, how could the audience possibly have know he was good if he did not explicitly confirm he was good verbally? How would they know?! ~ Tim

There is no beauty in Game of Thrones. Everyone is evil or if they are good they die.

@@AndrewFrancisIlyrian Have you read the books or are we exclusively talking about the show?

@@wasabiknight8125 both

@@wasabiknight8125 I read the books up to Feast for Crows

His general criticism applies to Az and Gary, part of why their shows bore the hell out of me is because all they do is bitch about politics. But Drinker, Random, and Platoon have actual arguments to back up the criticisms they levy.

@@samwallaceart288so, you don’t watch Az and Gary. Got it.

@@greyknight627 I don't think they're evil, just that every clip I've seen of them on any topic they have the most woke-bad version of the point while everyone else has actual arguments. I don't watch them that often for that reason. That said, I still wouldn't use any of that as grounds to cancel them or label them a pipeline; I just think they have shoddy argumentation and glaring biases that shoot them in the foot; they're not alt-right footsoldiers. HFM's critiques have some application there, but the conclusions HFM draws are unfair. Looking back on my comment now I failed to clarify that. Gary and Az are nowhere near Synthetic Man on the spectrum; I just meant the "your politics are the driving factor here and that hurts your work" critique applies to their side of things where it doesn't to folk like Platoon.

Yeah him putting Rando there was ridicolous and the scene that he "cherry-picked" to justify it is actually one of my favourite moments of his critics!

They are grifters.

I strongly disagree; being "anti-woke" does NOT automatically make people grifters. These KZfaqrs are not all in lockstep or agree with each other. Shad liked Avatar Way of Water, for instance, for it's pro-family themes. Little Platoon hated the movie. That's just one example I could give. Some of these people are conservative politically yes. but that doesn't automatically invalidate their criticisms. People hated The Woman King, Netflix's Cleopatra and Ridley Scott's Napoleon because they were gross distortions of history which were openly done in order to push the film maker's own narrative. That was Despot's whole point; it had nothing to do with merely having "strong women" in the film(s). @@alex30425

@@thomasciuffreda8783they are and are trying to push their bullshit ideology to others.

​@@alex30425 because woke death cultist aren't brainwashing children in schools, Right? because every single movie or tv show doesn't shove down cultist propaganda down your throat?

Yeah, and see his reviews of shows like Arcane. The accusations against him in this video are really unfair.

Maybe Theo is just short for Theoden

I think that they were going for a Rohirrim sounding name (Théoden, Theodred), but they didn't really think it through. It's so jarring since there's no other character name that sounds similar in the show, so it just makes it stand out even more. Or maybe you're right and they weren't even thinking about it.

Not necessarily Theophilos, Theo is also a shortened form of Theodoros (Anglicised to Theodore) - but still very much Greek.

It’s even a step deeper. Tolkien, as a linguist, even thought about how men of Rohan and Hobbits share a closer heritage. The whole story is supposed to represent a actual historical account written in a in world language that was then translated into a language we can understand. Frodo actually isn’t named Frodo in the universe, his name is Maura Labingi. The fictional historian translating the document just changed the name into an equivalent we, as English readers, would understand better. So Hobbits got these old Francian placeholder names like Frodo, Bilbo or Peregrin and with that in universe translation are we even able to understand when Theoden mentions that all those Hobbit names sound like very old timey names their ancestors used to have and how they share several similar folk tales in their culture and so on.

I hate that they used Elanor as a Harfoot name for the same reason. Sam naming his daughter Elanor was a fusion of the way his travels had broadened him and connected him to a wider world (since the elanor is a small, star-shaped flower that specifically grows in Lothlorien) with the Hobbit tradition of naming daughters after flowers. It was a unique name that represented an aspect of Sam's character and character growth. Now it's just any old Harfoot/Hobbit name and who knows why they even know what elanor is.

I think actually seeing her commit to some violence would have been good - even if only in the first scene, instead of killimg the troll, we see hee kill a fleeing/surrendering orc (ie. Someone who deserves mercy). But being trapped in Numenor means we cant do much on that front. ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe yeah exactly. Galadriel TELLS us constantly how much she wants to slaughter orcs, but that's never seen. The two times she properly commits to a fight is in one scenario to save her comrades, and the other to save a bunch of villagers. Nothing about it suggests any level of anger or wrath, she's just objectively doing the right thing in those moments. Obviously the show doesn't have access to a lot of expanded materials as you mentioned in your video, but a very important contextual element in the legendarium is that elves do not endorse or engage in the wholesale slaughter of any living things, orcs included. It could have been a very powerful moment for Galadriel to see her juxtaposed against the rest of Elven culture by killing a defenseless orc and seeing the shock and horror from other elves. That would have been "touching the darkness."

@@HelloFutureMe I feel what we should've gotten was probably some scene where she cuts down some Orc only for it to writhe on the ground. Clearly incapacitated, but still have this life in it enough to say something like "I know you. The general of the north. The one who abandoned her husband... what was his name?" something enough taunting her to go from "Elegant Warrior who cuts down orcs effectively and unemotionally" to have her become enraged and instead of cutting down the orc she pummels him to the point even her allies are like "That's enough Galadriel!" Make it violent. Make it *UGLY* what she has become.

I see no evidence that this character development was planned as her character arc, or if it was, the writers on the previous episodes weren’t told about it. And she doesn’t remember, beyond some sanctimonious lines to the annoying kid. I think it is more likely that the work-for-hire writer who crafted the Adar-Galadriel dialogue was just aware that Galadriel’s character had a problem. Unlike the showrunners.

Canon is important. Tolkien laid out tens of thousands of years of history that underpin the writing and making of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. This disregard for established Canon is an intentional way of pissing on Tolkien's grave. Thank God for people like Nerdrotic, George the Giant Slayer, The Critical D,rinker and the like defending the professor's legacy.

He does belong.

@@alex30425 Why

@@MistbornTaylorCrickets

@@mina319 and the section has been deleted so I guess we’ll never know :(

@@alex30425 Lol, even Hello Future Me disagrees with you. Get fucked.

it's a pointless thing to say anyway, don't know why youtubers bother (other than for their own protection against accusations of "inciting harassment", i suppose). the harassment comes from the most deranged people that are going to harass them regardless, they aren't the type to value basic respect or to heed warnings

Then they immediately sent their horde of fanboys to harass him...

@@ian-flanagan I'm pretty sure

@@andresacosta4832 How do you know it wasn't just fans seeing this video and getting angry at the blatant misrepresentation of content creators they like?

@@TheRedHaze3 because non-fans like me don't give a sht

If only someone did the same for books

​@@prakharmathur9453 KrimsonRogue does and it's always a treat! 💛

Demonetization coming in 3... 2...

@@prakharmathur9453 KrimsonRogue does and it's always a treat! 💛

To reach that rarified atmosphere... if only there wasn't so much dang fantasy news 😔

Yeah, I didn’t really realize I was supposed to be wondering about that either, until they revealed it dramatically...

Same…

Omg, finally, someone like me! I never wondered about Sauron's identity because it's not something Tolkien would do. Sure, there were some twists and surprises in his books but he was never playing the "mystery box" guessing game with the reader. The foe was never a "surprise villain", even with Annatar we knew he was Sauron. I'd never expect that game from Tolkien and never expected it here. But of course the writers aren't Tolkien, which is painfully glaringly obvious.

omg same! I realized it was a "guessing game" when I went on the subreddit. I just never was expecting that to be the key hook or plot point..? Like I thought it would be SEEING Sauron manipulate people, that's what I actually wanted. Majestic, charismatic guy (he's an angel ffs), pulling people's strings masterfully. Not knockoff Aragorn.

100% agree. The armor and customs are bad too awful. Made worse once you compare to the movies...

It looks so cheap because 99% of the time it looks so obvious they're standing in front of a green screen. You can tell the sets are really small and the environment is just a skybox that you can't interact with.

I haven't seen it myself, but the clips always leave me confused about the styling/costuming. Some pieces look well-made and realistic, while others seem cheap. Some of the hairstyling feels like a fantasy show, and some of it a standard modern-day haircut. One thing I do think might lend to a confusing overall visual is the colour-grading/palette - the LOTR trilogy has grainy and grungy darks while the bright colours like the green of the Shire pop off the screen. It makes the entire thing feel fantastical, and adds to the character of each individual place in Middle Earth. Meanwhile, everything in ROP feels like it's been coloured the same, and the style they chose to go with makes the costumes look more costume-y. In an amateur production, I'd find it charming, but with this show's Amazon money, it just feels jarring.

@@cranberryrosebud Celebrimbor's robes for example. He looks like he's wearing curtain drapes. The original character Bronwyn is the only one in her village that seems to have colourful clothes. It's just all over the place.

Fr, all the unstructured polyester robes, the 3D-printed designs, jewellery straight off the shelf... But most importantly, the cultures don't have distinct aesthetics. I was so pissed when everyone kept saying "don't worry, if the writing is bad at least we know the show is gonna look good" AND IT FUCKING DIDN'T

Not to mention, early TES Man was enslaved by early Elven society until Alessia rebelled and Pelinal fought for them (though perhaps took it a bit too far), not to mention Ysgramor losing everything to the Snow Elves, so the hatred unfortunately runs DEEP.

@@manegirl93416 Too far? No, no - Pelinal didn't go far enough.

Yes! Like it's bad but the Thalmor are legitimately trying to wipe out their religion so they can destroy the world and ascend. 😅 ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe*gasp* Senpai noticed me!

"solely because he was human at one point". I mean, I wouldn't love it if my imperial overlords declared that the guy who slaughtered his way through my country was actually a God now

I just came back to finish watching it too. And same thing. It went from being 4 hours to 2 hours and 33 minutes.

@@MooBler350I think he might be re-editing it since there was a youtuber who slipped in that didn’t really belong with the others. He may not have wanted to bring that one unwarranted bad publicity. The message it conveyed was still very important, so I hope it’s back again soon.

@@TheShanicpoweragreed. It was literally the crux of this video to call out the misrepresentation of Rings of Power as woke and now it’s gone.

​@@TheShanicpower I had noticed that one of the people mentioned didn't seem to be intended as a criticism, but that it came across as one nonetheless.

Hey everyone - I ended up removing the "wokebros" section of the video because: [1] while my central message around men's mental health and masculinity is vital, and I will continue to talk about men's issues and how men get caught up in this stuff, I want my channel to be a positive place, and I don't feel I lived up to that in the best way I could in that section, and [2] frankly, I have not been dealing with this video mentally very well from the day it dropped. Hope you all understand ~ Tim

As *it thinks it deserves (I think)

it* thinks it deserves

​@@finndelimatamay1983 Accurate

I’m proud that someone is criticizing it that is t some culture war warrior or anti woke loser like the critical drinker go watch Jose video on him on how while he and other like him while complaining about agenda their the one pushing one and watch pillar of garbage and the recent target of culture war warrior is the X-men now

He even tried to show compassion to Bezos! Couldn’t do it though 😂😂

Not just me, then! 😂

I'd think it's because many who watch rather small youtuber mentioned there came in and said that he shouldn't be on such a hit list.

​@@Eemi_SeppalaI hope that's the case and he's just editing out that youtuber. Because most of the points he made in that part were valid and important and without them the entire point of the video falls apart.

Probably late, but I watched the whole 2nd part before it got cut. The short version is that Tim wrote a section about the "WokeBros", a term he made to group together channels such as the critical drinker, mauler, disparu, and others. He discussed how these channels were often just rage bait intended to incite anti-woke feelings and cherrypicking shoes they don't like for views. While I think he made some good points about how we should consider film criticism on KZfaq with a healthy dose of salt, he also used some inflammatory language such as calling the group "incels" and just seemed to rant on about them, which is why it was probably taken down after it drew criticism from fans of the "WokeBros"

Agreed, not every story needs the Mystery Box. In the first act of Lord of the Rings, we already know what the One Ring is and who made it (Sauron) and why he made it, and that Frodo intends to destroy it, and where he intends to destroy it (Mt. Doom), and how he intends to destroy it (cast it into the fire), these info weren't artificially held back for the BIG REVEAL. In the first act of Back to the Future, we already know what the time machine is (DeLorean) and who made it (Doc Brown) and what makes it work (flux capacitor) and when he came up with it (1955).

Yeah it came across to me as very "modern" storytelling, which did not really fit the source material. That style just was not working for me (or clearly others). ~ Tim

The only mystery in TLOTR was 1) who are these black riders hunting Frodo (book 1), and 2) Did Frodo even survive, when the armies march on the Black gate and the Mouth presents his clothes/weapons. (Book 5/6). Both are intended mysteries, designed to keep you asking, but both are awesome.

They did the same with Wheel of time. They introduced a "mystery" that was never there in the books and actively prevented them from telling the story for the need to artificially maintain a mystery that never was needed. But that is what happens when you put in charge talentless hacks who actively seek to shit on a source material they hate.

@@iogssothoth666 More like source material that they like for superficial reasons, and don't understand the stuff under the hood that mechanistically makes it work.

I blame RoP for Amazon Prime having commercials now. 😉

​@@DeniseDuttonOh damn that might actually be true

​@@fisch37 it just feels like something that that guy would do...

yep, that's basically it ;D

Yes, but I think the more damning detail is they did have the rights to a lot of amazing stories and did not use them. ~ Tim

Exactly. Lord me Emphasize you’re amazing comment. - Amazon waited until Christopher Tolkien died early in the production of its DumpsterFire, his "demand" was that Amazon could use the Appendices to make the show, but they couldn't change the lore. As soon as Christopher died, Amazon delayed the show for reshoots, fired Tom Shippey who was the lead Tolkien scholar & friend of Tolkien himself; they wanted Jackson on the team. PeterJackson asked for the scripts then they ghosted him. Then later when asked about it he basically told them good luck.. You can blame this garbage show on Simon Tolkien, its stink doesn't reach Christopher. Firstly: they merge events (from thousands of years of history & build up towards several events but puts them all into one moment as if it’s happening in the same few years without time jumps or anything.) Guyladriel the murderous one dimensional girlboss heroine version of Galadriel never met Miriel(one of Aragorn’s ancestors) because, as an elf, she would have been sacrificed to Morgoth by the King's Men. The hobbits and Gandalf never met in the 2nd Age because Gandalf was in Valinor till the 3rd Age. Miriel wasn’t even born yet. She was born 300 years before or after the rings of power era. Also Elendil would never say “forget the past and toss it aside.” That’s the whole thing about the Faithful Númenoreans!!! Faithfulness to what’s good. To their elf friends. To the Valar, to Eru Îlluvatar. The way Galadriel acts like Fëanor when he isn’t seeing straight such as how she threatened bloodshed in the highest court of Númenor! The way she isn’t tall, the way she fights rookies doesn’t make her look strong. Should have had her spar with Elendil who was greater than Miriel in many ways even as far as lineage goes too! Have her spar with those greater Numenoreans and let the rookies laugh at their masters being vested by an elf woman holding back from actually hurting them! Now that’d be cool. (Remember. Their whole mantra was to write the book Tolkien never wrote”. Also watch them fake super fans. And then watch their social media that had nothing Tolkien on it ever. Like…. It’s painfully obvious what’s going on here. Same formula towards other titles. They’re just trying to bank on the brand of which that’s the only reason they did this. Just watch Peter Jackson’s new movie coming out and the War of the Rohirim. You’ll see that Brian Cox is involved In it along with Philipa Boyens as well as Actor for Èowyn named Miranda Otto. Fran Walsh I also believe is Involved as well! Watch George The Giant Slayer’s first video regarding the war of the rohirrim. It was beautiful. And he has a wonderful soul too. When I say first video. I don’t mean very first uploaded video though lol. ) There was also no Adar. No poppy. No Nori. No fake Gandalf who literally didn’t come the way he was supposed to which introduces Círdan. And since they screwed up the themes and lore so badly they have to dig in their heels. And they are also being sued by multiple people and groups and companies actually. The rings were forged last and not first. They were not in his sights or touch nor did he even know about them. And also guyladriel wasn’t a murderous Fëanorean either. But the note of the elven rings. They were made last and without the knowledge of Sauron. His touch never got to them. Made in secret so that whole story is thrown out the window as well. And making them first and having the obvious Sauron figure who wasn’t an elf to just be there when they’re making them and have his eye show up in the forge which wasn’t even the worst of it. The greatest of elven smiths still around which is Celebrimbor doesn’t even know what alloying is. Not to mention all their environmental scandals on top of bad CGI stuff. Full of copy past crowds and plagerisms up the wazoo. It’s also getting sued by several people and groups. I’ll also remind you that they just ran an old sick horse til it died of cardiac arrest and then only had a ten min coffee break to loosely honour this horse. Not to mention Tolkien loved animals in a deep way. They also have been causing environmental damage one of which being King Charles ancient forest to make a set. It’s scandal after scandal. And the fire in studio that took four hours to put out with firemen for yet another example. PS they don’t have the rights to the Silmarillion nor anything much of the second age let alone the first. Only the trilogy books and their appendices…. Remember that they also plagiarized tonnes of films in nontasteful instead of true a homage way… “tempest in me” but when threatening Fëanorean level bloodshed in the court of Numenor was from Cate Blanchett’s Elizabeth role which was done with grace and poise of a veteran actress(which doesn’t even sound like anything those of the great chill house of Finarfin would even act like. Again it’d be best to put Elrond there due to Elros. But ooook let’s make girlboss do everything. Even if it continues to make zero sense. )😍 ​​⁠ fact they downplayed Elendil, Gil-Galad and Finrod is beyond infuriating and not explaining Elwing, Elronds mother beyond just showing her as a swan was pure LOLism. Like. What’s worse is Grandpabimbor…. Let’s not forget good ol’ Guyladriel either. The LOTR version of Star Wars’ Rey! Guyladriel the Female Fëanor without any of his charms and subtleties and wit… just the bloody violent rages…

so mauler is a god now lol

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 lol wut

@@lordteensie6156 lol wut to you oh very jrrt language btw

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 is you having a stroke? If you smell toast call the emergency number

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530make sense you Neanderthal

I guess he took lessons on how to make long, critical videos.

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Though also long doesnt mean bad. I said that more because i dont enjoy filming and it would take ages 😅 I actually quite like long critiques, just never thought I could do them. ~ Tim

You either leave KZfaq with short videos or make 4 hour long essey about Morrowind. When Tim? When will video essey about Morrowind drop?

When you realize that successfully catalogging and critiquing a piece of art when you are taking it seriously takes a significant amount of time.

@@HelloFutureMe Thanks for replying!

One could say that April fools jokes are C O M P L I C A T E D.

It is such a weird thing to aim for? Like, for me, if viewers figure things out, that is so exciting! ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe I should have clarified that it's definitely not a bad thing to aim for, not some writers are way too obsessed with it to a big detriment for their story. A predictable story can still be a very good story

@@sunbleachedangelI think trying to throw out a clever twist none of the viewers saw coming in something like a mystery is fine. It's a good thing to aim for in that genre. A good twist can recontextualize the entire story in ways that are shocking, but make perfect sense. To bring up a recent example, while the Red Wedding is a shocking moment when you first see it, all the pieces leading up to it are clearly pointed out. We see Robb starting to alienate Northern lords like the Karstarks and Boltons. We're repeatedly told that Walder Frey is an incredibly petty and vindictive man, and it's a bad idea for Robb to snub him. We know Tywin Lannister is a cunning politician who knows how to manipulate people and is utterly ruthless. All the pieces of the Red Wedding are properly laid out well before the event goes down. The problem is that a good shocking reveal needs to be properly set up and foreshadowed, which means some of the audience will guess what's coming. Especially in the internet age where it's so easy for fandoms to get together and exchange notes. A good mystery with a twist ending can't outsmart the audience, because it needs to properly seed in clues and foreshadowing. Even if the clues and foreshadowing are subtle, with a big enough audience someone's going to notice and put it all together. If they then go post what they noticed on social media and other fans see it... The only way to truly get a twist the audience couldn't possibly see coming is if there's no setup or foreshadowing for it. Which is probably going to feel less like a big reveal that ties everything together, and more like a sudden completely random event.

@@sunbleachedangel It's a bad thing to aim for. You should rely on tropes first, and then write the story in a way that works best for your own vision, even if that vision happens to subvert a trope or two. That's how you "outsmart" a viewer: by believing something strongly enough that it can't be denied. Not by trying to outmaneuver millions of people in hundreds of different levels of familiarity and savviness.

@chengarqordath I'm still not convinced that the aim with these sorts of twists shouldn't be about outsmarting the audience. The aim is to make sure the POV characters wouldn't see it coming. IMO a twist that is "too obvious" in detective fiction isn't bad because we saw it coming, but because the detective SHOULD have but didn't at it therefore paints him as an idiot. If I see the twist coming but it's still fully reasonable that the characters didn't, IMO that's still potentially a good twist. The reason that these twists can and do still outsmart a portion of the audience is because the audience see the world through the eyes of the POV characters and if they can't see it coming, it's not unrealistic that the audience will miss it too.

😂 only a little

@@HelloFutureMe Only 4 hours? Short Man Bad!

@@baconcatbug No no, it's only 2.5 hours.

@@baconcatbug Thanks for that comment, because when I began watching it was a 4-hour video, but then it changed to 2.5 hours and I couldn't understand what kind of bug would lead me to that first misconception. I guess what happened was just some cutting then.

​@@straightline2 Apparently he cut out some rant about "woke bros" but i can't imagine that went on for 2 hours... If it did, god damn.

Little Platoon also, he even has a running gag of people accusing him of defending the sorts of things Tim claims. It’s funny because it shows Tim didn’t watch properly and just made claims in bad faith.

@@lukew6725the best part about including little platoon in his arguments is the mentions constantly about these critcs being anti LGBT when platoon is openly gay

@@BourneColdBloodedYou can be gay and still hold the queerphobic or misogynistic views. There’s a good amount of sexist men in the gay community, and quite a few terfs are gay. (This isn’t to say this KZfaqr qualifies, I haven’t watched him)

@@TheShanicpowerLook no further than James Somerton.

Now that you mention it, you could remove Galadriel from the show entirely and none of the main plot points would change. Stranger/Gandalf still appears. Elrond/Durin/Mithril/Dwarves story still happens. Sauron still finds his way back to Middle Earth. Celembrimdor still makes the three elven rings. Mordor still gets created in the same way.

A major part of why Eowyn succeeds where Galadriel does not is that Eowyn also comes to realise that her pursuit of battle and death is not the right course. Though she does achieve great things on this path - slaying the Witch King is a huge deal - she realises that it's hurting her and that it's not a sustainable way to live, that the world does not need any more war. She dedicates herself to life rather than death, becoming a healer. This has sometimes been framed as her "returning to traditional womanhood" or some such waffle but it's really about her choosing (of her own volition) to live by helping others rather than killing others. It shows that there is more to Eowyn beyond being reduced to a tomboyish warrior princess trope, that she is deeply affected by the trauma of war just like everyone else, and the suffering she saw and went through broke any delusions she had that dying in battle is glorious. It's an experience many young men went through in WW1, probably including Tolkien himself.

@@sulphuric_glue4468 That's a pretty decent analysis. WW1 marked the end of the "glory in battle" ideal that dominated history and storytelling because technology completely changed the nature of warfare. No longer was warfare predominately man vs. man and may the best man prevail. Instead WW1 saw the rise of weapons of mass of destruction on a scale never seen before: artillery, machine guns, gas. Killing was done anonymously, randomly and at a distance. There was nowhere left for the old ideals about warfare to hide. It was finally unmasked as the fiction it always was.

You could definitely feel that she was basically just "allowed" to move on to the next plot beat when it felt convenient-hence all the coincidences. We were meant to empathise with her, but I think most people just found her incredibly frustrating or yeah, boring. ¬ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe Galadriel is oddly set up for future seasons given what little lore we have from Tolkien about the Second Age. First off, she's married and has been for centuries but we go the whole season with just one throwaway line in there about her husband. And it comes across on screen rather awkwardly which makes it seem like it the line was hastily added. She's also supposed to have a daughter, Celebrían, and there's no mention of her at all. Elrond and Celebrían are supposed to fall in love - a dream storyline for a television series, but again she doesn't even exist yet on the show. She gets a ring for seemingly no reason other than she happened to be standing around in the room when they were being made. It always seemed to me that the writers should have made Celebrían the main character of the story instead of Galadriel. There's almost nothing written about Celebrían so the writers would have had carte blanche. Sure the woke bros would still complain about the whole girlboss thing but at least this time they can't cry about ruining an already established character. Galadriel's stated motivation for coming to and staying in Middle Earth was the wish to establish and rule over her own realm. This clashes with the adventure-Galadriel we get. Focusing on Celebrían undoes this clash but at the same time Celebrían would still know all the same interesting and powerful people that Galadriel also knows precisely because her parents rule such a powerful realm. No need to invent the silly "Commander of the Northern Armies" title which lasts for all of one episode before adventure-Galadriel abandons her troops - or more accurately they abandon her. We could also ditch the revenge plot which never really worked anyway as a good motivation for Galadriel.

It looks like he’s re-editing the video to adress this, he mentioned elsewhere in the comments that one of the channels wasn’t on the same part of the spectrum as the rest

Except be masculine cause that's toxic apparently

while drinking HOOCH...

Maybe it’s supposed to be ”Jaladriel” then, too!

Jondor

😂😂😂

Jimli son of Jloin

@@rangerstedfast my tongue tripped down the stairs trying to pronounce that

He removed the part where he’s criticizing other creators.

I try to be a positive space, and while masculinity and men's issues are really important, the section did not fit with that ethos as much as I thought. I will talk about these issues in the future as they really do matter. Overall, the section has caused an unhealthy amount of anxiety. ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe ok, I guess I can understand that (thanks for the reply btw). It would be awesome if you could find a place to post the unedited version for people that aren't going to get all upset and offended, but guessing that's a tough proposition.

@@HelloFutureMe oh fishsticks, I literally just recommended that video to an acquaintance BECAUSE of that section.... seconding request for an unedited version, if possible.

I think this part of the videos has been remove, I cannot find it but I do agree, The so call Wokebros do make some valid point most of the time such as the fact that when you put a woman (of color or not) in front of your movie, you can target those who dont like your movie as biggot or racist we've seen this multiple time and that simply not okay. either you decide to close ur eyes or not on identity politics in most media nowadays doesnt means it's dont exist .

@@Thebeautyofediting It would appear to have been removed. There's still a "wokebros" segment in the bar but it's where credits are and the original four hour video is now two hours and 30 minutes.

boo hoo

Nepo babies vs The Professor

They got Lost before they even started.

Honestly, I think it’s way too harsh to call them bad writers. In hindsight, if you listen to all the complaints from the writers strike about the affect undervaluing writers has on their work; than all the writing in Hollywood makes sense. What you’re doing here is comparing the output of a man, with the job security of a tenured professor, working on a project for years to people who got paid sometimes less than a living, given impossible deadlines, who’s opinions were constantly ignored, and if their work wasn’t a commercial success were unlikely to be able to pay their rent. Amazon is known for treating their writers like shit and so their creative output suffered.

@@elimgarak3553 Okay to put it more politely then, they're woefully inexperienced writers, totally not equipped to head a project that was supposed to rival Game of Thrones in its scope. And yeah, I'm sure a lot of their creativity was subject to oversight from Amazon suits, but that doesn't excuse the fact that every part of the show that has to do with writing was poorly done.

​@@genghisgalahad8465👏👏👏

It was rough. Like there's not necessarily a lore requirement for all elves to have long hair, but Jackson's trilogy did it very well, and changing it doesn't accomplish anything.

@@fishymacaroon6 Certainly. Though to be fair, there is also short hair and short hair. And this is a very abysmal incarnation...

Right? Sure, it sounds like a very shallow critique of a very minor flaw, but even if the rest of the show was excellent, that little thing would still bother me, because the way they chose to portray the elves visually made them luck too human - too chubby, like Gil-Galad, too old, like Celebrimbor, too short-haired, like many of them

@RonetaG casting an old Celebrimbor alongside a very young Galadrial when they should be, at least for elves, basically the same age was a wild choice. Gil Galad should be younger than both of them and is supposed to be one of the greatest warriors of the elves. Why they felt he should be a tubby middle-aged politician is beyond me.

@fishymacaroon6 exactly, Celebrimbor is actually younger than Galadriel, and even had a crush on her, if i remember correctly. Now imagine these two flirting... When I've heard about this show being made, i really wanted to see the likes of Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad on screen, in all their eterial beauty and glory. And we've got a senile master craftsman and a middle aged chonk. Even if rop was actually well written and in all other aspects a perfect adaptation, that would still bother me

😂 At least HFM wasn't caught on stream trying to find evidence of a "WokeBro" hating on lesbians...

@@petery6432 🤣🤣🤣

@@petery6432 What is this referencing?

@@supermonstarsSearch the video “Wait, MauLer ISN’T a Bigot?” By EFAP Highlights. It’s pretty funny, this guy Bob is watching MauLers doctor strange 2 video just so desperate to be triggered by something bad being said about a character’s 2 moms, which doesn’t happen😂

@@Clipzilla42 Oh, it's that guy lmao. He's a clown. I remember him getting triggered at Critical Drinker's review of Arcane, saying he just pretended to like it to make it seem like he isn't anti-woke. Deranged shit.

Season 2 of Halo was at least a huge step up. Hopefully now that we have the Flood and we're on the Halo for S3 we can get on with it.

@@bartandaelus359 Maybe by S3 it'll be barely passable!

Just ignore it

You mean, the trailers?

"Okay surely they can't screw up-- dear lord..."

I find it pretty funny how your first statement can just as well be read as you criticizing the woke bros Why are wokebros never criticizing woke stuff in well written media? I noticed that many shows/games that succeed and feature woke elements (arcane, HotD, BG3) are just not called woke, with people trying really hard to explain why it’s actually non-woke despite featuring all the elements (lgbtq representation, strong female leads, diversity, etc) they point out as woke in other media. Because if they acknowledge that the show is good and featured woke elements, that would mean that the woke elements themselves aren’t the reason for bad shows, but the writing and how these elements are incorporated. The slogan go woke go broke would fall flat if they started calling good shows woke In the end, we all agree that we want media to be well written, and that’s also the point that HFM is making. The thing that many people are annoyed by is, that there are people like shad that just go too far with seeing woke stuff everywhere and trying to cover up some actual bigotry with „nah it’s just about the bad writing trust me“. A good example is when shad criticized the last of us episode 3, comparing seeing a gay couple in a show to having to watch someone live out their foot fetish (even his comment section was criticizing him massively for the video), trying really hard to convince people it’s actually a badly written episode that shouldn’t have existed It’s just really frustrating to sit through their reviews and they give you some actual bad writing arguments mixed with stuff like „look how gay Elrond looks, he’s such a femboy, they want to take away your masculine straight characters and turn everyone gay“ in a show that does not even feature a single gay character. I just can’t blame people for seeing bigotry when stuff like that is constantly in the mix of their videos

Shad also did call house of the dragon woke because of the abortion scenes if I remember correctly

As a massive House of the Dragon fan, I can assure you that an overall pretty small, but still not non-existent, and VERY vocal, online group of people did and still do criticize House of the Dragon and call it "woke" because of the race-swap, regardless of how much sense it did or didn't make, how well done it was, or the fact GRRM gave his blessing for the modification. I'm going to assume you just haven't seen them, but I can promise you, they're real... Not saying anything about your point overall, this is just not a great example is all 🤷🏼‍♀️

@@rebelcenzo "people trying really hard to explain why it’s actually non-woke despite featuring all the elements" I think that's a matter of definition. Originally "woke" meant "aware of progressive ideals", but when used as a criticism it is instead used as "values political messaging over quality". By that newer definition, only bad things can ever be "woke". "The slogan go woke go broke would fall flat" consequently also makes more sense with a definition where "woke" is necessarily "failure". What's important to keep in mind as well is that afaik the phrase originates from the comic book scene - where it is actually accurate. A number of comic lines was repeatedly cancelled and rebooted; of course the people that actually made the monetary loss were the retailers (rather than the publishers) that had bought comics in bulk and found it impossible to sell them. "comparing seeing a gay couple in a show to having to watch someone live out their foot fetish" is truely an absurd statement; not least because by that logic the same would be true in reverse. Not to mention there isn't anything wrong with this thing that ... nobody is actually forced to watch? It's just arguing into empty air just to find something to complain about. There's even a way to deal with that episode/ to talk about it that would have not been bigoted; I don't think there'd have been any issue had he just said "it made me uncomfortable, so I skipped it". Additionally extra stupid/ embarassing that Ep.3 of TLoU is commonly agreed to be the best one. The thing about the original OP is that they're not completely wrong: there are people that use "you're just racist" as an actual deflection. Just the same as there are, as you pointed out, people that use "it's really bad" as a cover for their bigotry. I cannot help but remember both the "this is why I hate videogames - they appeal to the male fantasy" meme as well as the good old "I can't be racist, I have a black friend".

@@mayhemivory5730 I thought about that definition too, but given the public discourse it doesn’t really make sense since there are still debates online about „is BG3 woke“, when just by looking at it’s public success and praise of writing that would not be possible by that definition. It would also mean that wokeness wouldn’t be such a divisive topic, since I haven’t seen anyone argue that representation itself matters more than good writing or the quality of that representation. It would also fail to explain why the wokeness debate usually starts with release footage like pictures and trailers that don’t even give away if the media is well written or not, but just how certain characters look. It would also make the slogan go woke go broke self-evident and therefore obsolete. It’s like saying „if you fail to make a good product, the product won’t be successful“, like yeah who would’ve thought? It doesn’t help that many people are never really giving a clear definition, but instead presuppose that everyone knows what it means and what not. This vagueness is also the reason some just use „woke“ to express their aversion of inclusive media itself, while always having the plausible deniability to change the definition around as it suits them. Considering your last point: I do get what the OP was trying to say, but HFM spent more than 2 hours talking about why the show isn’t good. His complaints in the wokebro section are not a defense of the show, but a critique of some of these reviewers and their practices. I totally agree that if studios/fans use the racist/sexist card against the audience just because people didn’t like their media, it’s just a dumb excuse and no one should take that serious. But criticizing the wokebros isn’t a defense of bad media, just like the media being actually bad isn’t a defense of the wokebros I just hope HFM will adress some of his points in a dedicated video, leave out some names like Platoon and focus on certain wokebro content in more detail instead of mixing them all together. That made it easier for people to dismiss the entire section or defend the entire crowd by just defending some of these guys

Never be at work again*

Happy Easter! As a note, many of the Catholic commentaries on Rings of Power were really insightful and brought some great perspective - critical from a very different lens. ~ Tim

It's not really though when he ignores so mich context and actual facts to make his butchered point.

@@UfoShotgun96oh stop it

@@SonOfHanni yeah why should you criticize anything right? Hellofutureme should really stop it too

Please, listen to what Buddy has to say about sharpening your mind on that whetstone and keeping yourself open! I have a few right wing friends (I lean pretty left politically) that I enjoy hanging with. We don't agree on all topics, but we know that we can come together and discuss in peace and have friendly conversations on those topics we do not agree on. We never scream, we always let the other finish talking and we always shake hands after we're done discussing. We love eachother as friends, we understand eachother as different political ideologists, and we respect eachother as people. I am more conscious of my faults and strengths now than I ever was before I met them! Stay sharp and be kind: it will get you far!

It's also a pretty ironic one, isn't it?

It's a good line! Just sadly lost in the context that, at this point, Galadriel is being a hypocrite in saying it, so it rings a little hollow sadly. Would have been nice if they used it post-Adar scene. ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe Indeed. It would've been a lot more effettive if not delivered after the whole "There is a tempest in me!" Fiasco.

Ironic considering the show is a vanity project in of itself.

Ain't this an appropriate quote.

He do be polite like that.

It's not a disappointment, anyone who didn't expect it to suck is a fool.

He is trying to dissacociate from the anti woke crowd that despises it.

@@stormwarrior5362 I’m sorry I didn’t mean to sound rude

@@gussygamingprofessional6433 why not?

Yeah, it had a lot of potential; it is a shame what happened to it. Yet another on the long list of interesting shows that the fox network cancelled after only one season (with Firefly at the very top of the list).

I loved it so much 😅 i was so attached ~ Tim

@@HelloFutureMe Same!! It may have been cheesy but it had a certain something that i don't really find in shows today anymore. I can't really put it into words, maybe because English isn't my first language. It gave me the same type of feeling i got when watching shows in the 90s as a kid 😁

My god, somebody other than me remembers Terra Nova?

Terra Nova was such a joy, it has been so many years that I thought about it

While you are absolutely right in what the sea means to the seafaring, I would say that to their credit you could also understand it in a way that rather means "The sea can do whatever she wants, you can't do anything about it." or "The sea's word (or action) is law"

Thats precisely what the quote is saying, you can't challenge the sea.

Man I hated that so much. Mostly because the idea of a national Mantra could be really cool! ThE SeA iS AlWayS RiGhT sounds lame, makes no sense and doesn't for Middle-Earth as we know it. But just workshop this idea a little: "Rise with the tide!" "The Sea Decides!"... And don't have a drill sargeant make his cadets say is. Make someone use it in normal conversation!

For what it's worth, Tolkien recognized and agreed with this. The Númenoreans loved and honoured Uinen, the maia of the sea because she could calm her wild husband Osse, who stirred the sea with waves and storms. Insofar that the Guild of Venturers who were responsible for exploring and colonizing Middle Earth were called the Uinendili, that is, Lovers of Uinen.

The fact that the writers probably didn't intend it be interpreted the way you describe, but that you did anyway, is indicative of the bad writing

Although the Critical Drinker is clearly conservative,He doesn't go to extremes like other Anti-SJWs. He didn't like Lady Ballers, he liked Adebayo from Peacemaker, and he even thinks people abuse the word ´´Woke´´. So yes, he has right-wing views, but it does show that he can be fair when it comes to reviewing movies.

I was also disapponted by the inclusion of RFT, his critique of the show is the bect out there. That's a miss on Tim's side. But TCD and The Little Platoon eagerly participate in streams with Shadyversity and Nerdrotic, so it's kinda hard not to lump them together with the likes of The Quartering or Despot of Antrim. I have never seen or heard them challenge their peers and their views and asinine thing they will say.

I was also very disappointed by the inclusion of RFT and even the Little Platoon. As you said, at least Mauler wasn't included cause that would have been egregious. I'm not overly familiar with Just Some Guy but from a couple of his videos I wouldn't think he deserves to be included either. Some of these guys are not very political at all. RFT and Mauler really try to be as apolitical as possible. While I enjoy some of the critical drinker's criticism and recommendations, I understand that he engages more with the political side. I'm very glad you pointed out the specifics. This felt really disingenuous on HFM's part as he didn't really engage with RFT's criticism in good faith.

Yeah I think he really missed the mark by adding RFM and Little Platoon here, RFM stays pretty apolitical and Platoon mostly does the same.

@@katarinakremberg1319 Yeah problem with that is the following: 1. You would need to assert that not challenging their views is the same as agreeing with their views, which is a hefty assumption. Some people don't like to cause conflict on stream because it benefits no one. 2. You would need to also believe that these creators harbor views on the political subjects themselves, which is also a problem, because you're assuming they have an opinion, or one strong enough to warrant entrance into a discussion. You're also assuming they're knowledgeable enough to enter that discussion or feel comfortable doing so. 3. Idk about TCD but The Little Platoon is an openly gay creator who's analysis VERY rarely even touches politics. Basically, because they do not object, does not mean they agree. That's just "You're either with me or against me" but somehow more useless.

I'm less so convinced about critical drinker, because he lumps himself in with a bad crowd, even if I find most of his points justified and content pretty entertaining. Never really watched little platoon because his vids are exhaustingly long, but i do agree, seeing this commentary on random film talk kinda made my blood boil. His criticisms of the show are actually softer than what I felt watching that trainwreck, since he doesn't take Tolkien book lore into account in his breakdowns. And after watching hours of rft reviews, i am yet to catch on his political agenda, nor do i feel outraged against feminism

There is a high chance he was Numenorean and adept at sorcery.

That was my hope too! Would've been such a good storyline and a cool foil to Aragorn's arc.

Same! Or the king from the Paths of the Dead.

That's what I was HOPING FOR. Can you imagine a slow burn plot with political intrigue and a slow descent into madness, being corrupted slowly by Sauron and the rings???? That would have been so fucking cool AND YET

Thats what i thought they were building towaeds lol

Tolkiem holds a really valuable place in Catholic circles for obvious reasons, and actually, I found Catholic critiques ans responses to the series really amazing. They bring a real nuance from another worldview. ~ Tim

You're absolutely spot on here-totally worth bringing into the discussion. ~ Tim

Honestly, same. Thank you for voicing what I feel in the way that I can't.

@@HelloFutureMe Mm. I distinctly remember calling this trend out as a kid in high school. My generation were essentially all feminist by default, its how we were raised. And I remember hitting high school and callout culture had started hitting its stride and people would get called sexist or racist at the drop of a hat when they weren't. I remember looking around and seeing all the young men that were struggling and being called sexist and privileged whenever they tried to talk about their issues (this was when the term privilege first hit the public vocabulary so it was used *everywhere*) and I said at the time "if you keep doing this, you're going to push all these young men towards the right. When they're faced with two sides, and one side openly mocks them and calls them sexist when they complain about it, while the other side is welcoming, understanding, and calls the first side out, which do you think they're going to go towards?" In reponse, I was called sexist (of course) and people said "if being called sexist makes you sexist, you were sexist all along". Needless to say, kid me hit the nail on the head. And the manosphere began to emerge a few short years after I predicted it would. I think the older progressives don't quite understand just how *dominant* progressive ideas were in the younger generations. When the millennials were growing up feminism and progressive ideas were the underdog. When I was growing up, they were the default. Which means you've got a whole generation of young men being treated like shit by both traditional society *and* the dominant popular culture of their time. The people who are supposed to be the "good guys" of society making things better essentially telling them that they don't matter and that they're bad people for even having problems in the first place. If you're ever wondering how the alt right gained popularity. This is why. They were handed power on a silver platter by bigoted faux progressives in the late 2000's and early 2010's. It was so obvious even an ignorant sheltered child like I was at the time could see it coming.

Agreed. I also think (would need to rewatch some of these wokebro videos to confirm and I don't really want to) but I think some of their earliest videos on RoP did focus a bit more on the actual writing issues in a genuine way. But that is what made their channels took off, they got an audience of a particular demographic who want to see the content be more political (or sexist, racist, homophobic more specifically) and they started pandering to that audience to earn more KZfaq dollars. I recall going off these guys when they really started going off a hateful deep end.

@@ASpaceOstrich yeah as a millennial it was wild seeing Left literally grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. It all started in 2014 and never really stopped. This shit didn't happen for no good reason. There's always a reason.