Hermeneutics & Hell: Biblical Interpretation & Universal Salvation-Robin Parry

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Universal salvation raises the critically important question of how we read the Bible-or ‘hermeneutics’. That is what Robin covers in this talk. He sweeps us through a big landscape in three succinct waves-each bigger than the one before. Firstly he confronts the foreground question of biblical texts-and he makes the point that everybody has problems here. How do we reconcile God’s love with his omnipotence? He then moves onto slightly broader terrain-we need the read texts in their context BUT the meaning of the texts will often be bigger than even the author intended or realised. And finally, he finishes with a new horizon of interpretation-the future. He talks about the ‘trajectories’ of the biblical canon, which stretch beyond themselves for future generations-like ours-to articulate. He uses the development of the doctrine of the Trinity as an example. So this talk is as much about how we read the Bible as how we do or don’t find ‘universal salvation’ in the Bible.
This is the second talk from our Hope and Hell conference.
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@Travishayes91
@Travishayes91 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who loves lectures, theological talks, and is searching answers for questions when it comes to eschatology, this is amazing 🙌
@GospelConversations
@GospelConversations 4 жыл бұрын
I'm delighted to hear that you found the video edifying!
@karinyaboriskova441
@karinyaboriskova441 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for these talks. I appreciate your humble and gentle manner of approaching the topic.
@Will-sv2hl
@Will-sv2hl 3 жыл бұрын
When God said He is not one of confusion, that seems to make it clear that universal salvation is likely true. How much confusion has come out of people trying to figure out what exactly saves us and what exact kind of lifestyle is needed for salvation? We've ended up with thousands of denominations holding different beliefs, when in reality I think the truth is a lot more simple than we try to make it =]. We will all end up back with God, who is the Beginning and the End. Those who do not believe and repent will likely have to be cleansed by the fire of God before returning to Him. It is still beneficial for us to try to live Christ-like lives on earth, so that we may attempt to bring heaven to earth and do God's will here.
@deeveevideos
@deeveevideos 3 жыл бұрын
Amen. I've recently come to that conclusion as well. Because if it takes us believing that is a work and then that would mean that Jesus did not finish his job that it's actually up to us and we know that's not what he said. God bless
@what_a_messed_up_world8920
@what_a_messed_up_world8920 2 жыл бұрын
If you're in the simplicity of the gospel and the word of truth, then being saved is very simple, yet those who you listen to will confuse you and make you think it's complicated. Please stop listening to those people because they are confusing to anyone. All that's required to be saved as the gospel and that is to believe that Christ died, they was buried and that he rose again for the justification of all of your sins, past present and future. If you sin then you sin while in faith and are saved, knowing that nothing is required of you because Christ did it all for you.
@what_a_messed_up_world8920
@what_a_messed_up_world8920 2 жыл бұрын
@@deeveevideos I'm sorry, but you're wrong there because faith in Christ is required to be saved, even though this is the only thing required of you and that you continue in persist in the faith rather than walking away from God. Both paul, and Jesus Christ spoke about belief in Christ alone to be saved and nothing more, so if you don't have faith you can't be saved.
@deeveevideos
@deeveevideos 2 жыл бұрын
@@what_a_messed_up_world8920 yes Christ faith in him for us.Not our faith in him.
@what_a_messed_up_world8920
@what_a_messed_up_world8920 2 жыл бұрын
@@deeveevideos Meaning that atheists who hate God will still be saved because of the faith of Christ?
@kensey007
@kensey007 9 ай бұрын
This is really beautiful. I'm agnostic, but I have been a hard atheist with respect to more typical Christianity because I find it logically incoherent. Universalism solves nearly all objections I have including, for example, problems of divine hiddenness and religious confusion. Goes a long way in addressing the problem of suffering as well. And, as you frame it here, strong argument it is Biblical. Well done.
@diamondlife-gi7hg
@diamondlife-gi7hg 2 ай бұрын
universalism wasnt condemned until 543 AD we know that origen believed in it in the 3rd century he was a prolific writer and theologian.
@TheHumbuckerboy
@TheHumbuckerboy 4 жыл бұрын
Such an interesting presentation here that deserves more than one viewing IMO.
@GospelConversations
@GospelConversations 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I've watched it a number of times :)
@konxx8280
@konxx8280 Жыл бұрын
Praise the Lord Jesus for these words. Here in the south-west of Germany you are very lonely when you believe this way
@gaseredtune5284
@gaseredtune5284 Жыл бұрын
Don't let it get you lonely. All will be renewed 😊
@bcburt2000
@bcburt2000 Жыл бұрын
I feel for you. From what I understand, the majority of people living in Germany embrace atheism. Is that true?
@konxx8280
@konxx8280 Жыл бұрын
@@bcburt2000 To be maximum honest and clear to you: I don't really know. I wouldn't use the word "atheism". Most of the Germans (of course completely different for all persons from Muslim countries) live without our Saviour. A probable small group would say that they are "atheists". Most are probably "Christians on the paper" not knowing who is Christ...... Be blessed from my country
@bcburt2000
@bcburt2000 Жыл бұрын
@@konxx8280 thank you so much for your thoughtful response. It makes sense what you're saying. My name is Brandon, by the way.
@konxx8280
@konxx8280 Жыл бұрын
@@bcburt2000 Hello Brandon. I want to wish you a very blessed Sunday. He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. Ps 91 Shalom Konstantin
@kyledawson4535
@kyledawson4535 2 жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting discussion and very elegantly put. I am not sure if I agree with the conclusion but it is somthing I never thought about until now.
@carlnaitram6522
@carlnaitram6522 Жыл бұрын
Please do a word study on the Greek words aion aionon anionos and the Hebrew word olam
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Although the word "hell" appears in the Bible, it only was brought in during the time churches decided to have more control over people (fear;💰). That was the perception of many in those day, but the word 'hell' is definitely translated wrong. --- The next paragraph is by DA Taylor from his book EXECUTED to suppress His message: Hell is a false doctrine. The doctrine of hell was created by the Catholic Church to scare people into becoming Christians. And the doctrine worked so well, that most Protestant churches added it to their list of doctrines. --- The most common words that are used, are the Hebrew word Sheol & the Greek word Gehenna, Tartaro & Hades. Sometimes Abussos are also used as ref to 'hell'. SHEOL - this word is mostly used in the OT where 'hell' could be interpretated, but it is only refers to the 'place' where everybody who dies, go. Temporary, only where the bodies were put in 'rest', nót a place of eternal punishment of any negative scare thought. We can also call this place the grave. People of faith in the Old Test like king David (Ps 49:16 and 88:4), Jacob/Israel (Gen 37:35) and Hiskia (Jes 38:10) knew they were going to this 'place of rest', the grave). Súrely these 3 men never would ended up in the so-called' hell' as we have it in our thoughts! HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. Jesus in John 9 to the Pharisees & the man born blind.
@Eclectifying
@Eclectifying 2 жыл бұрын
Logical and cohesive discussion of the issue. Thank you.
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 2 жыл бұрын
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. You have 👀 but you can't see because you don't have spiritual eyes! Prophecy is sure to happen, you or no one can alter it! Only the righteous people will be purified, and the ungodly people destroyed. Please take these verses very seriously 🙏 because there will be very serious consequences. V Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
@TorrinCooper
@TorrinCooper Жыл бұрын
Great teaching!
@artbyrobot1
@artbyrobot1 3 жыл бұрын
he reminds me of ricky gervais when he smiles. Amazing talk, I loved it!
@skinnyblackdogs
@skinnyblackdogs 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Robin....circling back to all this again. :)
@Okieshowedem
@Okieshowedem 3 жыл бұрын
May Father YAHweh bless your understanding.
@chadgarber
@chadgarber Жыл бұрын
Love this!
@OrigenisAdamantios
@OrigenisAdamantios 2 жыл бұрын
Let us beware in ourselves, my beloved, and realize that even if Gehenna is subject to a limit, the taste of its experience is most terrible, and the extent of its bounds escapes our very understanding. Let us strive all the more to partake of the taste of God's love for the sake of perpetual reflection on Him, and let us not (have) experience of Gehenna through neglect. -St Abba Isaac the Syrian (SECOND PART)
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Gehenna.. Although the word "hell" appears in the Bible, it only was brought in during the time churches decided to have more control over people (fear;💰). That was the perception of many in those day, but the word 'hell' is definitely translated wrong. --- The next paragraph is by DA Taylor from his book EXECUTED to suppress His message: Hell is a false doctrine. The doctrine of hell was created by the Catholic Church to scare people into becoming Christians. And the doctrine worked so well, that most Protestant churches added it to their list of doctrines. --- The most common words that are used, are the Hebrew word Sheol & the Greek word Gehenna, Tartaro & Hades. Sometimes Abussos are also used as ref to 'hell'. SHEOL - this word is mostly used in the OT where 'hell' could be interpretated, but it is only refers to the 'place' where everybody who dies, go. Temporary, only where the bodies were put in 'rest', nót a place of eternal punishment of any negative scare thought. We can also call this place the grave. People of faith in the Old Test like king David (Ps 49:16 and 88:4), Jacob/Israel (Gen 37:35) and Hiskia (Jes 38:10) knew they were going to this 'place of rest', the grave). Súrely these 3 men never would ended up in the so-called' hell' as we have it in our thoughts! HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. Jesus in John 9 to the Pharisees & the man born blind.
@glenliesegang233
@glenliesegang233 2 күн бұрын
That all lead to conflict depends on believing we can tell God what He cannot do.
@BarryBranton
@BarryBranton 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the video series: Irrefutable Proof of Universal Reconciliation with Richard from LiveFaith TV -- Bible Course
@claireashley427
@claireashley427 3 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic! Where can I find the next talk he was speaking about at the end? Or any other talks he's done? Great speaker!
@harrodsongs
@harrodsongs 3 жыл бұрын
Parry has a few talks on the "Gospel Conversations" podcast. And then there are a few other podcasts where you can hear him speak if you do a search. A search on youtube will yield some results too. And then you might want to read his book "The Evangelical Universalist." I agree with you, he's a great speaker.
@claireashley427
@claireashley427 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrodsongs Thanks! I found some other videos on KZfaq already and I'll have to check out his book!
@chadgarber
@chadgarber Жыл бұрын
Where is the next video?
@Eclectifying
@Eclectifying 2 жыл бұрын
Disappointed to see the trinity as an example of something that is “biblical”.
@jcannan2
@jcannan2 3 ай бұрын
Precisely NOT what he said. He said that there is a trajectory within the Bible that culminates OUTSIDE the bible in the concept of Trinity.
@KKKaTTT123
@KKKaTTT123 2 жыл бұрын
A quick question, in Zachariah it says that 2/3 of the land will be killed and 1/3 refined. I get the refined part but in view of the universalist perspective I have a hard time with the ones thag are killed. Any help? Thanks!! 😊
@RMF49
@RMF49 Жыл бұрын
Good question. I don’t know the answer, but I know we have to be careful how we interpret these kind of passages. The natural thing to do is say, ok that means 1/3 saved and 2/3 not. But that kind of thinking would also tell us that Moses won’t be saved because he was not allowed to enter the promised land. I have had many verses I could not explain in the past that make perfect sense now. So for now I’m ok with not knowing the answer until God gives it to me, if He does.
@6Strings2.0
@6Strings2.0 Жыл бұрын
​@RF-bq9ck If I'm not mistaken, I think all of Israel will be saved. Everyone because of their forefathers, I think it's the passage about the dry bones being brought back to life again.
@jcannan2
@jcannan2 3 ай бұрын
you're conflating Zechariah's prophecy with an idea of eternal salvation/damnation that is not referred to (or would even be understood) by Zechariah.
@traildude7538
@traildude7538 7 ай бұрын
The "reconciliation by judgment" argument sounds like something an accountant might come up with!
@edwardking1312
@edwardking1312 8 ай бұрын
Now - present tense is the issue not the afterlife - less than 1% of Scripture is about the afterlife
@brendanhiltner9453
@brendanhiltner9453 4 жыл бұрын
I committed the unpardonable sin can god still restore me in this life or the life to come?
@megantheescallion8565
@megantheescallion8565 4 жыл бұрын
Check out Love Covered Life's videos on the unpardonable sin, I hope it helps you hon
@gauchotrojans
@gauchotrojans 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, God and do all things.
@gauchotrojans
@gauchotrojans 3 жыл бұрын
Thomas Talbott addresses this in Chapter 6 of his book "The Inescapable Love of God."
@vronji
@vronji 2 жыл бұрын
Don't quote me on this, but Jesus never said that there is an unpardonable sin, the heading was added in by translators for whatever reason. I will use Tommy Kissingers explaination for this. The translators didn't do the best job at translating the texts from Greek/Hebrew to English. The word "life" or "world" (in other translations) is actually the Greek word "aion" meaning "an age". If you commit blasphemy against the holy spirit, Jesus said that you won't be forgiven in this age or the age to come, but it is stated that there are at least 2 more ages to come, the millennium, and the age of the ages. So, if you commit blasphemy against the holy spirit, you won't be forgiven in this age, or the millennium, but in the age of the ages you will be forgiven. I will also say that it's only a sin if you purposely did it/knew that you are wrong but continued to do it. If you feel guilty of committing the sin, then you probably didn't commit it.
@mf1110
@mf1110 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. There is no unforgivable sin. There is a sin that shall not be forgiven. Subtle distinction but the former says God is not able, while the latter says God shall not. Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Forgive not and you shall not be forgiven. Read Lamentations 3. Their sin was not pardoned. If it were pardoned they would not have borne God’s punishment. It says in verse 42 “We have transgressed and rebelled, and you HAVE NOT FORGIVEN.” Nevertheless it also says “The Lord will not cast off forever.” So there is a time when God considers the debt paid though you were not forgiven the debt.
@PizzaDisguise
@PizzaDisguise 4 жыл бұрын
What did Paul believe when he wrote his letters? It’s difficult for me to imagine that he was a universalist when I look at his letters as a whole. Do universalists weep for the “unsaved” like Paul did for his fellow Jews? Why does he warn his converts to not be deceived about who will inherit the kingdom of God? That seems like a waste of time. Despite all this, I appreciate the time the presenter took to prepare this talk.
@mf1110
@mf1110 4 жыл бұрын
Brady Frankly, I’ve never seen any Christian weep for lost souls. But I’ve seen lots of people weep in the face of present calamity. Jesus wept right before raising Lazarus from the dead despite knowing Lazarus was about to rise and those who were in deep sorrow were about to rejoice. Jesus was weeping about their present suffering. Paul warns about not inheriting the kingdom of God because it’s true. There is a wide gate that leads to destruction and a narrow gate that leads to life. In the parable of the prodigal son, the younger son took the wide gate. It led to his death and destruction. My son was lost and dead. Paul’s warning applied to him. If he had never returned to his father he would not have inherited the kingdom. But we believe all will turn to God. Psalms 22 ALL the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and ALL the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations. ALL they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship ALL they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and NONE can keep alive his own soul.
@KKKaTTT123
@KKKaTTT123 2 жыл бұрын
@@mf1110 very nice.
@alanazargushasb8557
@alanazargushasb8557 2 жыл бұрын
Braddy Paul taught that Jesus would save everyone. Here, read what Paul wrote. Paul taught that Jesus is right now at this momment EVERONES SAVIOUR! 1 Timothy 4:9-11 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach. > This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation The verse means what it says and is in context >For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach Who hates this message? Religious people! I cant tell you the amount of times I have been called a heretic and or a demon by Christians! >who is the Saviour of all men >specially of those that believe. Jesus is especially the savior of believers because he saves them early.You can't be someone's saviour if you don't actually save them. Since he is the saviour of all mankind, and most of mankind is dead at any given moment, then he is the saviour of the dead as well, and since most die in unbelief, he is the saviour of those that die in unbelief and in their sins. If Christianity were writing this they would have said, Jesus is the potential saviour of all that are alive, but he is the saviour of believers only, that is the exact OPPOSITE of what Paul is saying here > These things command and teach. These things the church never teaches. Did you know Paul saw further then John? At the end of the book of Revelation Jesus is still rulling and reigning, at the end of 1 Cor 15:22-28 Jesus stops rulling and reigning. What happens when Jesus stops rulling and reigning? Death is abolished, death (as far as I can tell) was not abolished at the end of the book of revelation, only that there would be no more dying. What is the end? God being all in all. I believe (though I can be wrong) that those on the new earth are not immortal but mortal and have to eat of the tree of life. That is not the same immortality that Jesus, and those that are in Christ have at the second coming. ON the new Earth their are nations surrounding city New Jerusalem, run by Kings who are saints. If we take the text literally, people can still get sick on the New Jerusalem, although they will be healed by the leaves of the tree /log of life. Revelation 22:2 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. At the end of the book of Revelation. At the end of the book of Revelation, Jesus is still acting as king, his saints are still kings, and he and his servants are lording and ruling over the nations. At the end of 1 Cor 15:22-28, Jesus STOPS ruling. What happens when Jesus STOPs ruling? God is all in all Jesus subjects (makes obedient). Lets examine this text. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. >For as in Adam all die [that's everyone you believe this] >even so in Christ shall all be made alive [you do not believe this, its the same everyone that died in Adam] The same all that died in Adam, are the same all that are made alive in Christ (v22)! To be made alive is to be made immortal, and they are made immortal in Christ, if you are in Christ you are a Christian. The same all that died in adam will be made immortal in Christ. Those living on the new heaven and new earth, are they immortal? No! Lets talk about that word subdued/ subject in verse28, its the same word in the Greek. upotassw Strongs Number: G5293 Orig: from 5259 and 5021; to subordinate; reflexively, to obey:--be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto. G5259 It means: to arrange under, to subordinate to subject, put in subjection to subject one's self, obey to submit to one's control to yield to one's admonition or advice to obey, be subject Everything that is put in subjection unto Jesus, OBEYS JESUS. Jesus is their Lord. They are his slaves. Everyone will eventually be Jesus's slave. If you are a slave of Jesus, you are a Christian (see Romans 1:1, Paul is a slave of Jesus and James 1:1, James a slave of God and of Jesus) > that God may be all in all. God is going to be all in all, which all? The same all that died in Adam! God is not all in all that is left, no God is all in all, all in all the humans he created. God created mankind to be a temple for him to dwell in, believers have the holy spirit of God, God is in them, God dwells in them. For God to be all in all, everyone would have to be a believer! Right now only some people have the holy spirit, but the day will come when everyone will repent and believe the gospel. And who is God all in all with? God is all in all those Jesus subjects. And who does Jesus subject? The enemies! >Then cometh the end This is the last group to be made immortal, if only group A, Jesus, and group B, those that are Christs at his coming, are made immortal, then less then 1% of humanity is going to be made alive (immortal) in Christ. The same Immortality that Jesus and those that are Christ's at his coming have will be given to the last group. >when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Jesus reigns till he has put down all rule (rulership) all authority, and all power, the last thing Jesus destroys is death. Which death is this? No one is dying on the New Earth, The only death left would have to be the second death. Those that died in the lake of fire will be brought back to life and made immortal and then enter the kingdom. (Some teach the lake of fire is some kind of reform school, I dont believe this, but I can be wrong, they have some interesting points. Some of the links in my post teach this) >27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. God all in all! That's the purpose. That's the end game, it will happen. God always wins. God can not lose. God wants to save all, therefore all will be saved. A purpose is a goal. An eternal purpose by definition is a goal that is never reached. This is bad translation. God does not have an eternal purpose, he has a purpose for the ages. God made the ages and the ages will end, and they will end when God is all in all. Romans 11:36 ESV For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. >For from him >and through him >and to him are all things Everything comes out of God, everything happens through God, and everything returns back to God. Jesus did not offer us eternal life but age abiding life, you come in early and live through the next 2+(there could be even more ages, depends how you interpret one verse), while the rest have to go through age-abiding punishment. What is the age abiding punishment? As far as I know, though I can be wrong it is not being resurrected at the second coming of Jesus but having to wait till judgment day to be resurrected. Then if you name is not found in the book of life you return to being dead for another age, until Jesus does away with death altogether. general links The guys below teach the 2 gospels truth (I can be wrong about this, but this is what I currently believe, first link explains the 2 gospels) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldKWqs-Qpracm2w.html goodnewsgospel.info/ thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/ www.concordant.org/ www.gracetruth.co.uk/ martinzender.com/ www.concordantgospel.com/ www.biblestudentsnotebook.com/ www.studyshelf.com/videos/ www.reddit.com/r/ConcordantBelievers/comments/l7v56t/some_concordant_resources/ [lists youtube channels that teach this stuff] saviourofall.org/ livefaith.tv/richards-books/ goedbericht.nl/category/algemeen/ www.bibleanalytics.ca/index.html The guys below mix the two gospel into one, but their is much truth here bible-truths.com/ www.askelm.com/ www.iswasandwillbe.com/ godskingdom.org/ godsplanforall.com/ tentmaker.org/ makepeacewithjesus.org/ Save the links to a notepad documents and bookmark them for further reading.
@ttownsupreme2183
@ttownsupreme2183 2 жыл бұрын
Paul was to be a chosen vessel to the Gentiles,Kings, and Children of Israel.To preach the gospel of the Kingdom.His brethren the Israelites were unsaved in the manner that they held on to the law which would ultimately condemn them and end up as the people in Matthew 7:21-22.If they had there own righteousness it would not be accepted.If they had Christs they would be.As far as I can see they wouldn't be in eternal conscious torment but would have to be fully judged by the law which no man lives up to. This is from what I can see.
@chrisphillips4021
@chrisphillips4021 Жыл бұрын
He was weeping because he was warning them about 70 ad siege of Jerusalem were 1 million Jews were slaughtered In day. They were cut in half because they wére swallowing jewelry and gold trying to escape. The blood ran through the streets as high as a horses bridle and all the dead Jews were thrown into ghenna the trash dump. Mathew 24 happened between 66ad and 70ad. Jesus said some of them that were standing there would not die until all was fulfilled and the son of man returned. He came back same way he did in the days of Noah and lot. In Judgment
@yqafree
@yqafree 4 жыл бұрын
What an excellent look at theology, I'm a theologically conservative and philosophically conservative apologist In my opinion it is far better (just as our speaker here made the point of at the end of the presentation) to not be so damn certain that you have the "right" theology because it leads you to think you've attained perfection of any thing to everything. And that's a haughty position, or perhaps a haughty negation, isn't it? Saying there likes to "I've got this for certain!" it's the equivalent of putting yourself as a complete god, if we are anything of gods we're at best sin blighted gods awaiting restoration by the sinless one(s) I think "..sure it's possible that a person might be brought to perfection by the redeemer (by some kind of sanctification and gifts)" but really in my opinion the gospel seems to tell me verse by verse we're all flawed and we arrive at the best possible position we can because of Jesus, because through His Spirit we have wisdom, through His sacrifice and power over death we have freedom and proper authority, through His power we have healing and communion and through His being we have peace, etc. And to me linguistically knowing it can help most but not all because not all are capable for now, but inevitably I see restoration coming and all will know Him fully So I believe in a very particular eschatology that conforms to the image of God that I've attained by rightly dividing the word, praying, having been given responses and messages all from the Spirit Be open but cautious - Your Quality Apologist
@andrewmackie1324
@andrewmackie1324 3 жыл бұрын
I too find this interesting, threatening my little concept of black & white, but interesting nevertheless. Perhaps you could comment on this problem (in my mind)... I get the sense that Universalism would like to say that everyone is "saved", by which I presume something like "happily everafter" no matter what? But is not one of the strongest themes of the NT that salvation is through Christ alone by faith alone? Isn't this what Jesus says himself in varying ways? Does the heart of Universalism end up diminishing the Cross as the path to salvation and restoration of human relationship with God?
@yqafree
@yqafree 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmackie1324 Indeed I can help you with this, however it's up to you to take another look into it all, to leave or take this message forward is going to be on you. With that said there's no where in the new testament anywhere that says an individual must conclude Christ is their lord on the earth before dying, likewise there's no where in the entire text that says it's an ultimatum like "you choose your destiny, it's either heaven or hell". And there's plenty to debunk about the concept of hell according to the actual Greek, but for now that can be omitted. The concept of Christ's grace has been qualitatively configured by so many theologians to such different ends that we have many different denominations today, that's created quite a conundrum of which view to choose. For example there's irresistible grace in Calvinism, the whole theology is based on either a determinism or destiny worldview. Basically that whole system asserts that if God chose you you're unable to have any will to overcome His will nor His grace. However I would contend that it makes little sense, at least strongly doesn't for me, why it would be if an individual's salvation is dependent upon an anointing in some fatalistic manner how then we're not then just characters in a storybook. Also then how do we seem to comprehend morality as one of God's purposes for us? What I mean is it's not only an indicator of a synergistic experience that we're conscious beings capable of freewill under natural limitations but also there's this problem in Calvinism about their concept of anointing being dependent upon there earth-based monergism. For example there are so many in the world who claim that they're saved but their doctrines don't match up either vastly or by some nuance(s), so how could the Holy Spirit bring people to do such a Holy will, but selectively? If pleasing God is with acknowledging God and therein proven by moral consistency and proper doctrine (among other recognitions), why then do individuals still fail and why isn't proper doctrine clear even to the saints? There are volumes of apologetics seeking to answer these challenges, but honestly for me the issues are more persistent than the answers. Now we can examine Molinism and Arminianism, particularly I'll focus on the Molinism because the definitions within it. I believe it's closer but still flawed, the concept of overcoming grace is more agreeable for me. The idea is the way Christ saves is that our will is to disobey, the natural disposition of man is blighted with a sin nature and no matter if a child is near perfect morally that same child still makes mistakes and even willfully does. However overcoming grace isn't a kind of grace like the irresistible grace which just automatically changes a person like if God casted a spell. So rather overcoming grace as a doctrine argues that the gospel, the Holy Spirit or whatever good that comes from God continues to convict the conscience of an individual and will lead them by anything from subtle clues to experiential epiphanies to vivid visions and even near-forgotten dreams, that leading to recognize the direction of morality they should repent towards. There are acronyms ROSES and TULIP to look into and different renditions of them. I could get into my incomplete notes about my challenges for and favored views on these doctrines. I know this has been no short letter so far, and considering the hermeneutics of scriptures well we're only scratching the surface.. so I'll leave you with two final comments for now and if you find it worthwhile or important to continue our correspondence we can do that (although my responses might take a while sometimes, I will come around to it within a weeks' time is my promise). My initial point is not all directions and reality revealing commentary in the bible are for every individual's recognition while here on earth. The idea is how much of these scriptures are even certainly clear? I've found my systematic theology (after years of studying koine Greek) is so vastly different than what they teach in every church I've attended it's quite staggering. I'd be more on the side of ".. this is what the bible appears to teach and portray : ... " While many others tought in churches what to think the bible's saying they sometimes read their English translation bibles (or another language translation, usually not the source material) and their message is riddled with absolution and strong doctrinal assertions ".. this gospel here exactly means [..] and not believing this results in the worst possible future for you and those you don't tell, and I'm sure of it ..." Likewise in that initial point is not all reality revealing commentary is absolutely a moral direction for all of us, at least not yet. If it is saying anything for us to configure it's argued as 'afterlife and eschatology is maybe for moral directions' at best, I'd say no central doctrine should be built off the speculation, however implications could be considered. Because the speculation is about as equivalent to saying what matter of the earth world experience means to Spiritual realities, these are arguments of essence, and I would say essences are mysterious no matter how much we might be blessed to have a sense of essences. I hope that makes sense.. I guess anybody who is intellectually honest does readily admit, whether it's soteriological or eschatological, that these Spiritual and afterlife matters most definitely have mysterious elements, which the NT says God promises to reveal to us these things. Last point, I'll say the most basic idea of my theology. There's truly good and evil, and there are points to synergism and monergism (just different applications of them) and Christ's work on the cross matters, the cross matters maybe in another way or more ways than many have passed on in certain traditions. We have two natures in conflict, and there's judgment on one hand and forgiveness on the other. Every evil manner was birthed in Satan's mind and him and his cohorts indwell the vessel within every individual when they're wrong and when they're failing. Likewise all good comes from the true God, all things good in this world aren't yet perfected nor restored. So there's two vessels in each person in which we're indwelled by one spirit or the right Spirit, we're in a struggle between retributive justice (Satan's law) and redemptive justice (our True God's law). There's spiritual debt that's Satan's, and spiritual profit which is Christ's. Basically we strive towards perfection, faithfully and fairly openly without any expectation that we make it to perfection in this life (bear your cross...) and we're to take and to give freely, nothing's owed but rather by principle we're to see that there's no meaning in counting because it distracts from true holiness! Because if God is infinite and faith in Him can be bountiful, abound all the more and let His blessings proliferate. Still many fall into the wrong framework, one way or the other, and end up glorifying or sacrificing for Satan and his causes.. God's redemptive purposes are to let us go wrong to see just why we'll want to remain with all things right, Christ is the only way back and we'll all see Him on the other side, at least eventually. The way I see it, it's not really about time but rather about the kind gestures and holistic care in the hermeneutic truth of the entire reality that only God can lead us through. So universalism (or rather universal salvation) doesn't claim that all ways are Christ's way, rather all ways aren't His own way. Following the metaphor out, that all of our paths crossed over His path, some sharing His way for most of it, but they all run short and they all diverge.. But He'll bring His way to us and us to His path because He can, and we have trouble with desiring Him fully, even the best if us, that's what the gift is, for•give•ness! And as hard as it is for us that means no strings attached, it's really just giving up your will for evil, that will that gave to the trap of Satan and everybody will finally receive Christ's grace because they'll see with Satan they don't even have Spiritual profits, that with satan they're always ending up in debt. Anyway, there's literally so much to cover in this kind of conversation, and I have the gift of gab. So I'll leave it there for now (: Praying that all things are well for you brother - Your Quality Apologist
@RMF49
@RMF49 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewmackie1324 It says that faith in Christ the only path, and it says that all will come to have faith in Christ by God’s grace. God is the source of our faith, not our wills, for there is none good.
@diamondlife-gi7hg
@diamondlife-gi7hg 2 ай бұрын
“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of ALL men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11) THIS IS NOT THE ONLY SCRIPTURE THAT POINTS TO UNIVERSALISM. It wasn't condemned as heresy until 543 AD we know it was believed in before that. Origen was the most prolific one.
@JimmieJamOfTheDay
@JimmieJamOfTheDay 10 ай бұрын
Everyone ends up with God in the end. Those who are punished are punished temporarily for not repenting (turning away from and living accordingly) before they are reconciled to God. That's my understanding.
@racheladkins6060
@racheladkins6060 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t there a text from Mark that warns of “listening to Jewish Myths”? So what are they in the Second Temple period of time, Jesus.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
The gospels were addressed to the people of Israel.
@pjdelucala
@pjdelucala 6 ай бұрын
The word aionios means "eternal" in Greek and is used in the Bible. That word doesn’t mean unending. It means for an eon or a period of time. It means something that happens over and over within a certain period of time. Here is the precises definition on the internet: The Greek words aion and aionios, and the Hebrew equivalent olam, mean “age” and refer to a specific aeon, epoch or season. Although translated “eternal” and “everlasting”, they simply do not mean forever and ever. Einstein said: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. That is what the word aionios refers to. For example: If you keep touching a hot stove, you will burn your hand. It will be eternal unless you stop touching the stove. Hell is the anguish you experience from experiencing negative emotions and situations. The fire in hell is the purging of the dross of that behavior and mental and spiritual attitude. The fire will continue until you change. Look at the story of the Prodigal Son. He suffered to the point where he said to himself enough is enough. He hit rock bottom and then turned his life around. Paul said this: “Jesus learned obedience from his suffering.” Same thing.
@NoName-oy2tk
@NoName-oy2tk 7 ай бұрын
I think there is probably a balance honestly. I do think there are truths in scripture, but I understand that I am a fallen child of Adam that is saved by Jesus Christ that struggles to understand it. I do think that there do seem some that do reject scripture all together or see it how they want, which I guess I am guilty of that too. I think there are some who are saying its putting God into a box if you think he can be contained in a book, but I would say that is also an interpretation of the world of somebody's mind. I just hold to scripture because I want to hold to some standard. However, it does humble you to think this way, because you have to realize you do not have a 100% understanding of it and cannot be authortative about it. Can only describe what you see there in.
@jsw5688
@jsw5688 Жыл бұрын
...I don't understand the hate for CHRISTIAN universalism. It was the MAIN idea for 500 years. Shouldn't that make the stuff that came later heresy? ...Also if you look at certain passages in Greek...they were changed when translated into Latin, English etc. our bible has been changed to fit newer ideas ( eternal "hell" ). Isn't that heresy ? ...not suppose to mess with the bible to make it fit some external idea. Right ?
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Absolute in agreement in what you say! The word 'hell' is a wrong translated word in the Bible. It should be SIHOL in the OT, and HADES in the New. A certain guy Jerome came 400 yrs after Christ and he translated this Hebrew and Greek word wrong in Latin, and since then the church has adopted this word hell as most people still believe hell as a place of eternal fire. Father has reconciled the WORLD with Himself and is since then in His eternal rest, and His desire is that we should enter His rest as well.
@Tommythecat007
@Tommythecat007 9 ай бұрын
One question you must ask yourself is this. Do you think God will acknowledge or answer the last prayer of His dying son on the cross. Heres the prayer Father forgive them for they know not what they do.(them is those who rejected him) God either will or He won't? What do you think/believe likely? If God doesn't answer this pray, it would seem any prayer you pray would seem pretty well pointless. If you can work out the answer, you are well on the way to understanding what happened next at the cross. Surely love is not that hard to understand just read Matthew 5 I mean even the athiest or so called unbeliever understands what love is capable and not capable of, but ironically the Christian struggles with this. No wonder the church is held in contempt 😮😊 One fact I find the scripture clearly and explicitly deems is this: that you can not escape Gods' love anymore than you can escape His judgement 😊 This is not rocket science.
@ba.anderson
@ba.anderson 6 ай бұрын
Isa45:24 tells us everyone who's mad at Yahweh will day be ashamed of their anger towards Him. Is this not evidence of universal repentance? One day whatever seemed unfair or unjust from a human perspective will be revealed as glorious in accord with the absolute perspective. Isaiah 45:24 KJV(i) 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
@nickjamesb2051
@nickjamesb2051 4 ай бұрын
Interesting that you say not all biblical authors necessarily believed in universal salvation… in psalms, it seems to me that David oscillates between God inspired statements of universality, and his own base human emotions and desire for retribution on his enemies.
@nickjamesb2051
@nickjamesb2051 4 ай бұрын
As though the book was authored both by God, and David. Also, when God says His ways are higher than our ways, the context is, God was contrasting the unrighteous and wicked with Himself, stating that He will freely pardon; implying that mankind is not like that. And we know how true that is. Mankind holds grudges like nobodies business.
@jcannan2
@jcannan2 3 ай бұрын
True. Because most OT writers looked explicitly for the positive blessing and restoration of themselves and their own people and the destruction of their enemies. The OT is extremely biased toward it's authors and the Israelite people, which is to be expected as they are the ones who are writing it down from THEIR perspective (...and yet, you still find hints that God will save and loves all, even the gentiles).
@racheladkins6060
@racheladkins6060 2 жыл бұрын
Why is hard for God to redeem ALL mankind?
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus said let the Wheat ( The Righteous People )and the Tares ( The Ungodly People ) Let them spring up together until the day of harvest. Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
@gitfiddler716
@gitfiddler716 2 жыл бұрын
The universalists never will reply. Looks very suspicious.
@alanazargushasb8557
@alanazargushasb8557 2 жыл бұрын
@@gitfiddler716 Mate here is a reply. Read it, it will take 5 minuets . Forever and Ever in most translation of the bible is a mistranslation. The word there in the Greek is the plural form of the word Aion, which means age. The Greek reads to the ages of the ages in Rev 20:10. Most bible interpreters believe in eternal torment so they believe the Greek phrase to the ages of the ages means forever and ever and thus paraphrase the text as such. This is wrong. Numerous times in the New Testament the word Aion has a beginning, middle and an end. There are aion(plural) in the past, we are in a present aion, and there are going to be aion(plural) in the future, there is also an end(singular) of the aion (plural), and an ends (plural) of the aion (plural). Aion means an age. You cannot have plural past eternities/forevers/everlastings, a present eternity/forever/everlasting, and future plural eternities/forevers/everlastings. But you can have ages (plural) in the past. A present age, and futures ages (plural) culminating in an end of the ages, in which the ends of the ages being complete (multiple ages began and ended until the final age which to will end). The ages will end. There is an end to the ages. Jesus did not offer people eternal life; he offered them age-abiding life. Understand this; you lose NOTHING by Jesus offering age-abiding life vs. age-abiding punishment. Jesus came to save all; those that have age-abiding life simply get into the kingdom early. The rest have to go through the age abiding punishment before entering into the kingdom. You don’t lose your salvation when the ages end, the rest who did not get age abiding life simply get their salvation later on, from sin and death by being made immortal and justified (he who is justified cannot sin, sin is not reckoned unto his account). Right now only believers are justified and are awaiting immortality. Eternal torment is the difference between Jesus saving 1% of the world and Jesus saving 100% of the world. Aion is the noun, which means an age. Aionios is the adjective form of the noun. [Aionios Life, Aionios Punishment] Wood is a noun; wooden is the adjective form of the noun. Something that is wooden has the characteristics of wood. Sponge is a noun; Spongy is the adjective form of the noun. Something that is Spongy has the characteristics of a sponge. Metal is a noun, Metallic is the adjective form of the noun. Something that is Mettalic has the characteristics of Metal. Hour Noun, Hourly Adjective Day Noun, Daily Adjective Week Noun, Weekly Adjective Month Noun, Monthly Adjective Yearly Noun, Yearly Adjective Aion Noun, Aionios Adjective Age Noun, Age-Like or Age-Abiding Adjective Compare that to eternity: Eternity Noun, Eternal Adjective You can not have a singular eternity and a plural eternities , you can not have eternities in the past, a present eternity, and future eternities, and an end of the eternities, you can have ages in the past, a present age, ages in the future, and an end to the ages, as well as the ends of the ages (multiple ages have come and gone culminating in the final age which also ends)! Ages in the past Ephesians 3:9 and to enlighten all what is the administration of the mystery having been hidden from the ages[aion plural] in God, the One having created all things, Colossians 1:26 the mystery having been hidden from the ages[aion - plural] and from the generations, but now having been manifested to His saints, The present age Galatians 1:4 who gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age[aion - singular], according to the will of our God and Father, 1 Timothy 6:17 As for the rich in this present age[aion - singular], charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. The Future Age to come. Luke 18:30 will fail to receive many times more in this age[aion- singular noun] -and in the age[aion - singular noun] to come, eternal[aion adjective singular] life.” Ephesians 1:21 above every principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this age[aion - singular], but also in the one coming. Future Ages to come Ephesians 2:7 in order that in the coming ages[aion - plural] He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Luke 1:33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob to the ages[aion - plural]. And of His kingdom there will be no end!" By the way Jesus STOPS rulling and reighning in 1 Cor 15:22-28, pay close attention to verses 24-25, where Jesus stops rulling after having perected the universe. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and to the ages[aion-plural]. The END of the age (this age)! You can not have an end of eternity, forever, or everlasting Something that is everlasting can not end by definition. Matthew 13:39-40 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age[aion-singular], and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age[aion-singular]. Matthew 24:3 3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age[aion - singular]? The end of the ages 1 Corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them as types and were written for our admonition, to whom the ends[plural] of the ages[aion - plural] are arrived. Hebrews 9:26 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end[singular] of the ages[aion- plural] to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. In the end there will be no more sin in the universe at the end of the ages. Now what about the lake of fire? Revelation 20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever[aion - plural] and[and is not in the greek, the word inbetween the first aion and the second aion is the greek word ton which is the diffinite article and means the] ever[aion -plural]. Here is a more literal Translation Youngs Literal Translation and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages. Concordent Literal New Testament And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons." Emphatic Diaglott and the accuser the one deceiving them, was cast into the lake of the fire and of the brimstone, where both the wild-beast and the false-prophets; and they will be tormented day and night for the ages of the ages. Rotherham Emphisized Bible and, the Adversary that had been deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [were] both the wild-beast and the false-prophet; and they shall be tormented, day and night, unto the ages of ages. Barean Literal Bible And the devil, the one deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and of sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet also are; and they will be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages. Consider this “Before the Ages” (or Age) = 1 Corinthians 2:7; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2 ; Romans 16:25. (It would be absurd to speak about times before eternity [or eternities], but it makes good sense to speak of times before an age [or ages].) “Present Age” (singular) = Galatians 1:4; 1 Timothy 6:17; 2 Timothy 4:10; Titus 2:12. “This Age” (singular) = Luke 16:8; 1 Corinthians 1:20; 2:6-8; Romans 12:2; Ephesians 2:2. “End of Age” (singular) = Matthew 13:39,40; 24:3 (The end of an age is clearly shown in these verses.) “End of the Ages” (i.e. relative to the existence of sin) = Hebrews 9:26 (Ages, in the plural come to an end.) “The Coming Age” (singular) = Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Ephesians 1:21; Hebrews 6:5 (The coming age will begin at the Second Coming of Christ.) “Ages (plural) to Come” = Ephesians 2:7 (More ages are to begin in the future.) “Future Ages” (plural) = Luke 1:33; Hebrews 13:8. “Plan of the Ages” (plural) = Ephesians 3:11; Hebrews 1:2; 11:3. “Age of the Age” = Hebrews 1:8 (Also the rendering of the LXX) (Note that both words are in the singular here.) “Age of the Ages” = Ephesians 3:21 (Note that the first word is singular followed by a plural.) “Ages of the Ages” (not eternal when all Bible contexts compared) = Revelation 14:11[the word "the" is not inbetween the first aion and the second so it just reads ages ofages]; 19:3 (Note the plural of both words.) “There will be future Ages” = Jude 1:25. “The Dispensation of the Fullness of Times” = Ephesians 1:10 (This describes the final period for salvation.)
@alanazargushasb8557
@alanazargushasb8557 2 жыл бұрын
The goal of Jesus was not to offer us a chance of salvation. The goal was to save everyone. 1 Timothy 1:15 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. That was the goal. We can measure the goal. If 1 person fails to get saved then Jesus FAILED. According to evangelical Christianity 1% to 10% of humanity is saved (or worse!), the rest burn in hell forever! Who does that teaching glorify? It glorifies Satan! Why do they teach it? Satan has blinded them, and the love of money is the root of all evils. Eternal Torment gives money and power to the church, but it denies the atonement of Jesus on that cross! Jesus always does the will of the Father. If Jesus does not accomplish his goal then Jesus failed his Dad! Jesus can not fail! It is prophesied that Jesus will accomplish ALL that the Father wills. Isaiah 53:10 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Whatever God purposes will come to pass. God's decrees are immutable. What God has purposed will come to pass. What does he purpose? All that he wills! Isaiah 46:11 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. We in the end will all happily ever after with God and Jesus. We all are going to make it, some sooner, others later. 1) God wants to save all (1 Tim 2:4) 2) God does WHATEVER he wants and always gets what he wants, God can not lose (Job 42:2; Ps 115:3; 135:6; Isaiah 46:10; 55:11; Dan 4:35; Rom 9:15-20; Eph1:11 , Isaiah 53:10-Jesus WILL accomplish the Fathers will!) 3) God GIVES faith, we do not choose to believe(Rom 12:3, Phil 1:29, Eph 2:8-9) 4) Henceforth God will save ALL (1 Cor 15:22-28, 1 Tim 4:9-11, Rom 5:17-19) 1 Tim 2:4-6 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1. Anyone for whom Christ gave himself “a correspondent Ransom” will be ransomed (from death & hades, see Hosea 13:14) as a result. 2. Anyone ransomed as a result of Christ’s death will be saved. 3. The “all” for whom we’re told Christ gave himself a ransom in 1 Timothy 2:6 will be saved. 4. The “all” for whom we’re told Christ gave himself a ransom includes all mankind (1 Tim. 2:4-5). 5. All mankind will be saved Jesus said Matthew 18:19 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 21:22 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. John 14:13-14 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 1 John 5:14-15 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him. If we pray for something, and it is God' will, and if I have faith, then it shall come to pass. God will's all men to be saved (he has declared so himself), If I pray for it, and I believe (and I believe because God has spoken) then it will come to pass for God wills it to be so. God can not fail his promises, I believe because he has spoken that he wants all men to be saved, because he has declared he wants all men to be saved I know it is his will, and since it is his will I have faith to believe, henceforth it will be so! Jesus promised he will do everything we ask in his name so that his Father will be glorified. Will Jesus break his promise? Let it not be coming to that! Jesus is faithful! It is the faith of Jesus that saves us! The guys below teach the 2 gospels truth (I can be wrong about this, but this is what I currently believe) thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2020/07/they-will-not-tolerate-sound-teaching.html thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2019/12/1-timothy-410-vs-christian-doctrine-of.html thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2019/11/pauls-gospel-and-death-denying.html thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-meaning-of-aion-in-new-testament.html thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-translational-inaccuracy-of-forever_11.html www.concordantgospel.com/ www.concordant.org/ martinzender.com/ www.biblestudentsnotebook.com/ www.studyshelf.com/videos/ thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/ www.gracetruth.co.uk/ goodnewsgospel.info/ www.reddit.com/r/ConcordantBelievers/comments/l7v56t/some_concordant_resources/ [lists youtube channels that teach this stuff] livefaith.tv/richards-books/ www.bibleanalytics.ca/index.html The guys below mix the two gospel into one, but their is much truth here bible-truths.com/ www.askelm.com/ www.iswasandwillbe.com/ godskingdom.org/ godsplanforall.com/ tentmaker.org/ makepeacewithjesus.org/ Save the links to a notepad documents and bookmark them for further reading.
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 Жыл бұрын
@@alanazargushasb8557 Every verse you have sent is clearly taken out of context! I've picked few verses from your line-up of scriptures and from that you are cherry picking. You gave I Timothy 4:10 clearly taken out of context! V 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils... 1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 1Ti 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
@edwardking1312
@edwardking1312 8 ай бұрын
Less than 1% of the Bible is about the Afterlife 99.9% of Bible is not about the Afterlife
@In.Spirit
@In.Spirit Жыл бұрын
"...some of you that struggle with the bible and wish that it wasn't God that said what was said..." This is no longer a problem once one looks upon the scriptures as an Eastern Orthodox. I.e., just because a scripture says, "thus says the lord" or even simply implies that God is the one speaking doesnt mean God said it. Remember who's hands penned and compiled the scriptures. We are to be led by the Spirit, not the scriptures. Scriptures are good but they are NOT "the Word of God," Jesus is.
@OperationReapSinners777
@OperationReapSinners777 3 жыл бұрын
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world ( SATAN )hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.2Pe 3:14.Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
@Liesdestroylives
@Liesdestroylives 2 жыл бұрын
All you have proven is that many will go to Hell. You have not proven that Hell never ends. Hence the lecture.
@gab31282
@gab31282 Жыл бұрын
You wrongly assume these verses contradict Christian universalism. Plural universalism which you are attacking is very different from Christian universalism, my friend.
@OperationReapSinners777
@OperationReapSinners777 Жыл бұрын
@@gab31282 Please don't get it twisted! Ungodly sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God! Read the highlights! Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I TELL YOU BEFORE, AS I HAVE ALSO TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, THAT THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
@gab31282
@gab31282 Жыл бұрын
@@OperationReapSinners777 Agree with you 100%. Sinners, indeed, will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That's why He will lead every living and dead person to repentance, healing, and forgiveness, even after they they die, if necessary. It will be painful, but well worth it. God had Jesus die for all mankind, and He will have his way. Every knee will bow to the Glorey of God and confess Jesus is Lord, and no one can confess Jesus without the Holy Spirit. Sin, the devil, and world have been defeated and that defeat will be fully manifested once the last rebellious soul is brought to repentance and is restored to God.
@OperationReapSinners777
@OperationReapSinners777 Жыл бұрын
@@gab31282 After the two resurrections of the good and the bad people, they will be raised to face judgment day! There is no third resurrection mentioned in all of scripture! Ungodly sinners will face the second death by fire and brimstone! There is absolutely no coming back from the second death! Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Gal 5:21 GABRIEL CAMARENA, I GOD TELL YOU BEFORE, AS I HAVE ALSO TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, THAT THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD! 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived GABRIEL CAMARENA! neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Both heaven and hell are not a geographical place, but a state of mind.
@ashlimyers207
@ashlimyers207 19 күн бұрын
I’m not Calvinist Armenian universalist or atheist. I’m free grace OSAS
@racheladkins6060
@racheladkins6060 2 жыл бұрын
Hell speak is useful for controlling peoples behaviour. That seems to be what’s going on here. Give to the poor, live an ethical life, don’t steal etc.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Seems if you promote good deeds 🤔
@TanjaVK1968
@TanjaVK1968 4 жыл бұрын
I „see“ christian universalism in the Bible but I don't see „Trinity“, or that stuff of „3 persons“ in the Bible AT ALL. It is all product of overly religious mind zealous for „knowledge“ that would explain God. Jesus was saying Me and my Father, Father and I (are one), I am in my Father, Father is in me etc. He excluded Holy Spirit AS a 3rd „person“ in all that? Also, IF this doctrine of 3 „persons“ is true, WHO is Jesus' Father? 1st person, or 3rd one? Or both at the same time? Earth was supposed to be the reflection of heavenly realities, is it not? Do we have a case on earth that one person has 2 persons for 1 father? Nonsense. Angel said to Mary “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the POWER of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God“. Interesting, "person" of the Holy Spirit comes (not the „person“ of the Father) as power of God - but the Son is NOT called the „son of Holy Spirit“. How come?? God „produced“ Jesus' flesh through a person OTHER than Himself? Nooonsense all this stuff of „persons“. I would rather say that God is the supreme being (Most High) who BECAME Father by having child(ren). On earth man is man even without being father! Every father is man - BUT not every man is father. Only man who produces a child becomes father. Why not same with God? As I see it, as Jesus said, God IS the Spirit. (What other spirit could He be than Holy???) Jesus, man, is ONE with God IN that same Spirit. Because Spirit is THE ESSENCE of who God is. When I talk - I send out of my mouth my breath and my words, NOT another „person“. They are expression of ME. Also, Jesus said that He and Father will come and indwell those who believe. I and my Father. Where is the 3rd „person“? Did they loose the third one on the way from heaven to earth? No, because there is NO 3rd one! There is actually no 2nd one of the "Goodhead" either. In what way or form do „2 of them“ come, Jesus and the Father? Through Holy Spirit of course! IN Spirit in which they are ONE. And Spirit is ONE. And by receiving His Spirit - we become God's sons too, partakers of His nature, one with Father as Son is. "I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you." Man and God are finally united (in Spirit that dwells in the flesh).
@afroddy
@afroddy 4 жыл бұрын
Do you believe that at least Jesus and God are the same, not in just spirit but as a whole. Something like God the Father and God the Son.
@TanjaVK1968
@TanjaVK1968 4 жыл бұрын
I see this: Phillipians 2:6, Son let go of His equality with God in form (what is "God's "form""? Spirit) to become man. YET, Colossians 2:9, "For in Christ ALL the fullness of the Deity dwells BODILY". 1st Timothy 2:5 "there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the MAN Christ Jesus". Jesus (man, Spirit made flesh) was subordinate to the Father (Spirit), as flesh is subordinate to the Spirit. That's why Jesus said: "My Father is greater than I". Luke 24:39: "Spirit has no flesh or bones as you see I have". Jesus has no problem being subjected to God. 1st Corinthians 15: 28 "..And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL."
@shamdre2123
@shamdre2123 4 жыл бұрын
No one will ever have the answer to this question until we are reunited with god in heaven when he fully reveals himself. How can our finite minds comprehend an infinite God? We cant, at least just for this life.
@mburland
@mburland 2 жыл бұрын
@@afroddy it's logically impossible. It would render the ransom valueless.
@TanjaVK1968
@TanjaVK1968 6 ай бұрын
@@eremiasranwolf3513 What do you mean? I have different keyboard (croatian), but i see and type regular signs... Maybe to you it comes across as some weird sign...
@racheladkins6060
@racheladkins6060 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Bible translations are bad? What is their profit for God in destroying 90 billion humans, if God saved ALL then he gets worthy love and praise. I can’t trust a unsafe horrible two faced God. If God is LOVE!
@joshblahnamehere2308
@joshblahnamehere2308 3 ай бұрын
All will be saved. Want proof? 1corinthians 15:22-23 For as in Adam ALL are dying, likewise in Christ shall ALL be made alive. But to each in the own order. See that first "ALL"? yeah, that sets the precedence for the following "ALL". Do you believe that first "ALL" is indeed everyone? Well so is the next "ALL". No one is going to be tortured for all of eternity. God is not going to lose one of his creations. There is an order to things, and God has a reason for bringing this truth to the rest later. All of christendom teaches MANY lies.
@andriaswiatek6400
@andriaswiatek6400 2 жыл бұрын
is unbelief a sin? if so its on the pardonable side , he forgives unbelief and rebellion, its been atoned for.!
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Agree 100%! We are so aware of sin, while the Father is Son-conscious.
@racheladkins6060
@racheladkins6060 Жыл бұрын
How many people are killing there kids, and people because of the so called Hell texts! It’s actually Gehenna not Hell, which is a pagan word from Northern Europe.
@micme9520
@micme9520 10 ай бұрын
“He that hath not the son shall not see life.”
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
​@@micme9520 And what about the vast majority Jewish people whom God Himsélf has put a spirit of stupor on and our Muslim brothers who never grew up with the Bible.. what do you think will happen to them 🤔
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Re Rachel.. Agree 100%. Although the word "hell" appears in the Bible, it only was brought in during the time churches decided to have more control over people (fear;💰). That was the perception of many in those day, but the word 'hell' is definitely translated wrong. --- The next paragraph is by DA Taylor from his book EXECUTED to suppress His message: Hell is a false doctrine. The doctrine of hell was created by the Catholic Church to scare people into becoming Christians. And the doctrine worked so well, that most Protestant churches added it to their list of doctrines. --- The most common words that are used, are the Hebrew word Sheol & the Greek word Gehenna, Tartaro & Hades. Sometimes Abussos are also used as ref to 'hell'. SHEOL - this word is mostly used in the OT where 'hell' could be interpretated, but it is only refers to the 'place' where everybody who dies, go. Temporary, only where the bodies were put in 'rest', nót a place of eternal punishment of any negative scare thought. We can also call this place the grave. People of faith in the Old Test like king David (Ps 49:16 and 88:4), Jacob/Israel (Gen 37:35) and Hiskia (Jes 38:10) knew they were going to this 'place of rest', the grave). Súrely these 3 men never would ended up in the so-called' hell' as we have it in our thoughts! HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. Jesus in John 9 to the Pharisees & the man born blind.
@micme9520
@micme9520 10 ай бұрын
@@eekay5710 The answer is the same. The Jewish people do not have a spirit of stupor, they just reject Jesus in ignorance, but they are not hopeless to receive salvation. As for Muslims, they also reject Jesus. Neither group is hopeless as they can still be saved by responding to the gospel. That is why we are commanded to go into all the world and preach the gospel to EVERY creature.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
@@micme9520 Rom 11:8,9 Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see & ears that they should not hear, to this very day. 9.And David says: “Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. Rom 11 for the salvation of the Jewish people, and as for our Muslim brothers, they álso are included in the finished work of Jesus at the cross, whether they believe or not. Grace are for every single person. Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
@TheDavidlloydjones
@TheDavidlloydjones Жыл бұрын
Parry seems to be trying to construct an approach to the Paulist or "Christian" Scriptures which does not involve a commitment to absurd infantile superstition. I wish him well, but there's no reason for the majority of us who are not Paulists to care about his problems.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Parry has no problems as you seem to believe. The same Holy Spirit who inspired the Old Testament, also inspired the New. Whether He chose to use Paul to write what He inspired, or Peter, John or Jacob (James), all of there writings are from Him. The reason you are against the writings of Paul or are against "Christian" scriptures, are simply because the veil on your heart has not been removed by the Holy Spirit. In otter words you still are under the law, while truth and grace has come with Jesus. And we know there is no grace or mercy under the law, and also no love for other.
@AsonofthemostHigh
@AsonofthemostHigh 2 жыл бұрын
Good news: The same God that sits above us on the Throne, is the same God that is everywhere, and he was manifested in the flesh! His name is Jesus and he died for the sins of all (including the sin of unbelief, he nailed ALL SINS to the tree (Colossians 2:13-14) and took them away once for all (Hebrews 9:13; 10:10) so that God may be all in all! Evil will not exist with good who is God, forever, for it is written that God shall be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:28) Praise God, for he is a consuming fire of love and in him we literally live, and move, and have our being!!! The one who speaks the end from the beginning saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. 😇 God's will, will be done on and in earth as it is in Heaven. He has commanded everyone to repent (Acts 17:30), therefore, everyone will have a new heart. (Ezekiel 36:26-27) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:19-20 - All things mean all things!!! One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:6 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 We are being made in the image of Jesus! ❤Who (Jesus) shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue ALL things unto himself. (Philippians 3:21) Thus all shall fulfill the first and great commandment! Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die. John 12:31-33 Jesus not only took the place of Barabbas physically but spiritually as well. When Jesus said "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do"; who do we suppose the "them" is? All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? (Isaiah 53:1;3) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:10 God mourned for all so that he may redeem all because God who is Love, never fails (1 Corinthians 13:7-8). Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8 Jesus saves all. Although, harlots and tax collectors will go into the Kingdom of God before Pharisees, thus, the last shall be first, and the first last! Lesson of truth: We are not being made in the image of a Pharisee.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Agree mostly on what you shared, accept "we must repent" as if there is a condition attached to the Gift of salvation. REPENT simply means to change the way you think about who Gód is and us in Christ.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Also your last paragraph.. No one will go into the kingdom of God, as if it is a geographical place. (and hereby I don't say you said it is a geographical place :) Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, 'The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you:. (in spite of there unbelieve and resistance, the kingdom is within!) Jesus in Luke 4:43 'but he said to them, “I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent'. Jesus was sent for more than one reason :) This was fulfilled at the cross of Jesus, as His kingdom indeéd has come to us.. within! Heaven is where the Christ is ~ and the Christ is ríght inside of us! Heaven is the capacity to make His love visible. Col 1:26,27 'the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in (ín!) you, the hope of glory! Jesus has made us óne with Himself at the cross! It's only the carnal mind that still pictures distance and separation. John 14:20 + 17:22,23 Blessings!
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus said many false teachers shall arise also as there shall be many false prophets.
@gab31282
@gab31282 Жыл бұрын
So...who are the false teachers and false prophets? Everyone agrees that will be true, but who's wrong?
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 Жыл бұрын
@@gab31282 The false teachers are those who preach universalim, saying all mankind will be saved without converting from their evil and wicked deeds! The false prophets are those who predict lies! Now all Sinners better become Saints! V 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
@gab31282
@gab31282 Жыл бұрын
@@colinmurphy6000 Christian universalists actually teach that God will eventually lead all people to repent and be saved, a few in this life, but the vast majority will be repenting in the afterlife after the judgement. Eventually every knee will bow and confess that Jesus is Lord, and it won't be by force as so many affirm, for no one can confess that Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spjrit.
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 Жыл бұрын
@@gab31282Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory!! Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great! Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever! 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction!! 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works! You are a agent of Satan! Warning! V Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way! 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences! Rom 2:5 GABRIEL CAMARENA! But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
@racheladkins6060
@racheladkins6060 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t hell what WE DO? Not God.
@colinmurphy6000
@colinmurphy6000 2 жыл бұрын
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. You have 👀 but you can't see because you don't have spiritual eyes! Prophecy is sure to happen, you or no one can alter it! Only the righteous people will be purified, and the ungodly people destroyed. Please take these verses very seriously 🙏 because there will be very serious consequences. V Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
@mikezieg80
@mikezieg80 2 жыл бұрын
Too much yak.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
The gospel of Jesus Christ is good news. If it is not good news you hear, then it simply is not the gospel.
@roderickcruz5234
@roderickcruz5234 2 жыл бұрын
If one dies as an unbeliever or not a genuine believer, he will suffer torment in the outer darkness, a holding place, for an eternity-like time, as this person has no idea about the things of God. At the appointed time he will be brought out of it to face the white throne judgement. If his name was found in the book of life or Christ Grace and Mercy is in effect based on the deeds he had done accdg to the records on the books that will be opened, or he calls upon the name of the Lord, repents, and beg for His mercy, he will be saved. Otherwise, turning out to be arrogant (did I not prophesy? Blah blah) and accusing and cursing God of being unjust for letting him go through the torment in the outer darkness,, he will be thrown in the lake of fire to be totally destroyed and will cease to exist. Eden then will be restored, and rebellion will be no more, as people learned from their refinement experience in the outer darkness, and seeing the smoke of destruction rising forever from afar as a reminder.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
Sorry my friend, but what you believe & share are simply not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The message of reconciliation was given to us, not a message of frightening people of "you MUST believe" otherwise 'hell fire & brimstone'.
@eekay5710
@eekay5710 10 ай бұрын
The white throne judgment was ONLY applicable for the people of Israel, as Revelation was written to them. ALL of Revelation has been brought into fulfilling at the cross of Jesus. 70AD. IT IS FINISHED!
@russe130
@russe130 3 жыл бұрын
You do a lot of talking but you don't say nothing, your argument is weak, there are very strong arguments for universalism but obviously you don't know them
@mkprr
@mkprr 3 жыл бұрын
do you have any video or audio lectures to recommend?
@ravenraven966
@ravenraven966 3 жыл бұрын
@@mkprr , have you checked out...THE TOTAL VICTORY OF CHRIST on you tube.
@skyskrapa8832
@skyskrapa8832 10 ай бұрын
@@ravenraven966 thank youu!!!! Great find.
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