Hierarchy and Obedience | THE BRENDAN OPTION 134

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Hierarchy and Obedience | THE BRENDAN OPTION 134

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"I think it's crucially important that we realise we owe obedience to our Bishop [...] He can't tell you to do something against the law of God, but he may make a decision, within his confidence and which you don't agree, that's a different matter and you may have to bear it".
Join Fr. Brendan Kilcoyne for episode 134 of 'The Brendan Option' where he discusses our duty as Catholics to be in communion with our Bishop, and ultimately with God.
"A Saint is hammered out on the anvil of suffering, and must not budge from it or the hammer will miss. The hammer is God's Will, making something beautiful of that life".
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@christinezallo 8 ай бұрын

Thank you, Father!

@luxtenebris7246 Жыл бұрын

Father Kilcoyne is teaching the hard parts of the faith, not the ones that are easy and popular. Big respect to him for that.

@thecatholicman Жыл бұрын

Great video! The alternative to hierarchy is the end of the Church

@marcokite Жыл бұрын

For once I disagree with Father; there is a REASON people refer to the 'Bergoglio papacy' etc, it is because of Bergoglio's hatred of and attacks on the Catholic Faith. I DO agree that the Bishop is the highest rank in the Church, we'll make an Orthodox of him yet!

@joncardenas3203 8 ай бұрын

I recently found this channel, and I love your videos!!!

@dervellatierney6249 Ай бұрын

Well said!

@jjcm3135 Жыл бұрын

just imagine the Kilcoyne papacy. 15 new cardinals all from Mayo. the Legion elevated to a dicastery and Knock declared a new sovereign micro-state. Second week....

@foolonthehill5065 Жыл бұрын

Respect the office more than the man.

@arvelote4581 Жыл бұрын

Very well said 😊

@robertryan2542 Жыл бұрын

Lovely to hear you preach down in Limerick. God bless you and keep going. Be assured of my prayers.☘️

@arthurkearney6193 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Father and God bless as always. You are gifted in helping me think honestly, and to be fair there is a real danger of pride/ arrogance on behalf of someone like myself in being disappointed in Pope Francis, even perhaps being swayed by limited media commentary. Historically, any form of leadership, and notably that in the Church, is very difficult to assess as it is impossible to know in one's own limited time/ knowledge.

@robhoran72 Жыл бұрын

The veil was torn from top to bottom. No need for the High Priest now Father. Just more, many more, fellas like yourself. God bless and protect you

@curt8652 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Father. I admit it's been very hard to be charitable with my bishop especially over the past few years. But we must be obedient.

@macanbhaird1966 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks Father Brendan. I learnt a lot of things today from you. God Bless you!

@youngcurmudgeon2486 Жыл бұрын

An important topic. Overall a very fair analysis. I would agree that most of the bishops are not heretical, and the term is thrown around incorrectly. I would also agree that they are mainly moral and talented. Ultimately they have made poor use of these talents and thus why they are disappointing. I am reminded of St. Paul correcting St. Peter (Galatians 2:11-13) “When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.” We must pray for the spirit of wisdom and courage both for ourselves and the bishops to be able to stand up to church authority when it is in genuine error. But I also believe this applies to the lacklustre leadership that has led much of the church into many of the current predicaments it faces today. These errors will only continue to spread without a loving and genuine critique with well-intentioned and thought-out suggestions. Remember Pope Francis and the bishops in our prayers always. Keep up the great work Fr. Brendan!

@1907jdee Жыл бұрын

Reading a book recently on early Christian Ireland, I was reminded of a video you did on the church in Ireland returning to its prior monastic structure, as it did in the post Patrician period. Just as the church in Ireland by the 7th century was a church of monks so she will return. God will prune the unproductive branches of His Church, and the bishops to whom much has been given have produced little.

@davethecrow Жыл бұрын

were you reading the book by Edward Culleton?

@carmenlewis8563 Жыл бұрын

A much needed message, Father

@julienewman1344 Жыл бұрын

Thank you father true God love you

@ryanpost8729 Жыл бұрын

Most poorly formed Catholics (and even some well formed) miss an important detail when considering how the authority of the hierarchy is actually exerted. The main consideration is where authority is derived from and how it is exerted, and the answer is available via the established Catholic philosophical concept of act, and more specifically the distinction of first act and secondary act, which can more simply be called signified act and exerted act. Now all Bishops, including the Pope, as a result of their bishopric, have a signified act which gives them the authority over their jurisdiction. It is the same as saying that a man, being a rational animal, has (by signified act) an intellect. Now, whether the man (or the Bishop) is able to exert his intellect (or authority), is dependent upon certain conditions. For instance, a sleeping man, although he has by means of signified act, an intellect and is theoretically capable of exerting it, the exertion of the intellect is only possible if the man is awake. Similarly, the exertion of the authority which is subsisting in the bishopric, is dependent on the Bishop being an orthodox Catholic and not in grave error concerning important aspects of the faith. Just as it is impossible for the sleeping man to exert his intellect, it is impossible for a heretical modernist bishop to exert his office, and therefore his authority. This is the heart of the crisis for lay Catholics.

@markbrowne181 Жыл бұрын

Father Kilcoyne, while I do not disaggree with your defense and rightly guided to obedience of the Church hierarchy, I have to point out something missing from your argument. Authority is derived by rights and duties. The problem today in our Church, and so goes the world, is that those in authority demand all of those rights, including obedience, but they fail to perform or reject their duties. The Sheperds have a duty to feed His sheep, as Chist did command Peter. The Church hierarchy's duty is the salvation of souls. Not transforming the Church, going green, or being worldly. This is the biggest problem in our Church and World.

@ewaldradavich7307 7 ай бұрын

Sola scriptura sola fede

@anthonyobrien7323 Жыл бұрын

Respect is earned. Bergoglio 😂

@paulmoran7418 Жыл бұрын

We do not have to blindly obey . When a bishop supports the james martin way we do not follow blindly.

@wiking85 Жыл бұрын

We are already starting down the wrong path when we begin to look for loopholes in not obeying our bishops. They already have one foot in purgatory if not hell, and if they make the wrong decision and don’t repent, they’ll be judged for it. As for us- if we obey, we are following the rightful order of things and will be rewarded by our Heavenly Father. Especially when we don’t like some of the decisions our bishops make.

@dermotquigley356 Жыл бұрын

I agree with the hierarchical model of the Church laid out by fr. Brendan. We have had absolute scoundrels in the papacy, but the office survives as it is Divine in origin. However, I have been excommunicated twice in my life , on both occasions unjustly. On appeal to the Holy office both were rescinded. I am not bound to obey my Bishop when he puts himself ABOVE Scripture and Tradition especially if he issues an invalid Decree of being a Schismatic against me . I am prepared to die for my faith although I do pray not to be put to the test. During my second invalid excommunication, I was in hospital for a flare up of a serious medical condition. My Doctor wanted to call a priest at one point when things looked bad. I told her this could not be so as I was extra Ecclesia until my appeal was decided by the Holy Office. Bishops are quick to excommunicate traditional Catholics in Particular. An invalid excommunication can and almost did, in my case result, in someone dying without the sacraments. In the rainbow church and post Vatican ii wasteland, I am prepared to face excommunication again, rather than deny the faith as taught in the Roman Catechism and Public Revelation. Father Brendan's admonition was much easier to observe before 10th October 1958. However, we must still try, even under His Holiness Pope Francis. Pope St. Pius V, pray for us

@zita-lein Жыл бұрын

Amen, Father! ❤💙

@EpicSwedishFika 11 ай бұрын

I do love listening to Father Kilcoyne, it is always a breath of fresh air in these times. But I cannot understand the Catholic hierarchies and there is nothing in the word of God to support it. It is actually the opposite looking at the ministry of Christ him self and St Paul.

@bernadette1928 Жыл бұрын

If Jesus Christ was present in the Vatican and he witnessed the queer dancer, I truely wonder if he would turn to francis and say this is my brother in which I am well pleased. This is my pope who carried out my father's will this is he who kept my flocks from going astray, and he who understood when I TAUGHT THE OuR FATHER TO MY DISIPLES AND I SHOULD HAVE REWORDED IT AS FRANCIS HERE

@JeanMR2383 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the Bishop of Rome won’t answer the dubia of sincere and orthodox cardinals but increasingly gives openly public support to those prelates and priests spreading heretical teachings

@JeanMR2383 Жыл бұрын

I do pray for him🙏✝️✝️✝️

@marcokite Жыл бұрын

agreed!

@marcokite Жыл бұрын

@seamusweber8298 Жыл бұрын

Father Brendan, thank you for this video. Once again it makes for a lot of thinking. One word missing from your analysis. The word TRUST. Cards on the table and I do stand guilty of referring to Bergoglio as Bergoglio. I make that reference because I have 100% total distrust in him, if there can be such a thing. I do take your point about the diocesan bishop. He may be good/bad/indifferent and objectively he should have our loyalty. Even if he has been appointed since 2013, the bishop should have our loyalty. These are testing times, Father. Many of us who try to maintain the faith, will hopefully persevere. The points you make are valid and I concur with them but trust is a vital component and I am sorry to say, that common sense, trust is a scarce commodity. Keep the faith and keep raising the issues!

@CatholicK5357 Жыл бұрын

You not trusting him does not change the fact that Pope Francis was made the Holy Father and is therefor owed our respect. Trust in Christ that He will give us another Pope when He sees fit. Pray for your pope and bishop and priest.

@seamusweber8298 Жыл бұрын

@keithmayhewhammond5357 he's not owed anything. Respect and trust need to earned. I've witnessed nothing since 2013 which earns respect or trust. In fact everything that I have seen or read since 2013 points to complete distrust of the man and his motives.

@CatholicK5357 Жыл бұрын

@@seamusweber8298 Authorities are owed respect, according to St Paul the apostle. The respect is owed in an extra special way to the Pope because he is the Vicar of Christ. Trust in Christ is that He knows what He is doing because He is God and preserves His Church. I would suggest that if the material you are consuming causes you to lose respect for those in charge than stop reading them. It is too easy today to be bombarded by news. Good and bad popes require prayer.

@seamusweber8298 Жыл бұрын

@keithmayhewhammond5357 on that basis Judas Iscariot is owed respect because of his appointment. Is this credible? It's not credible. Thankfully we have 265 previous popes who's stewardship of the deposit of faith can be accepted. Let's hope the Holy Ghost gives the Church a better pope.

@CatholicK5357 Жыл бұрын

@@seamusweber8298 Even though you answered your own question, I will give my own answer. It is not credible to show respect to someone removed from his position of authority because then he no longer has it. Jesus Christ expected His apostles to be treated with respect. He knew that Judas was a thief and yet did not get rid of him the whole time. Judas was replaced in disgrace and so lost that respect. If Jesus even expected his followers to respect Judas during His ministry on earth, then we obviously must show respect to all His bishops, especially the bishop of Rome. As for the previous popes, it is no secret that we have had many bad popes. One third of them became canonized saints. But there were some that were awful. Yet as long as they held that office they were owed that respect. Outside of that, human respect is actually owed to all because of the dignity of the human person. We just give extra respect to those in authority because that authority represents Christ's order and hierarchy.

@JGagnon Жыл бұрын

I am struggling. Pagans in St Peter Cathedral? Ecumenism? Fr Phlager?

@LambofGodKnock Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don’t have time for Bergoglio and most of the bishops these days.

@marcokite Жыл бұрын

I can only agree

@healthydee381 Жыл бұрын

Amen!

@patriciagrande311 Жыл бұрын

Father, there is a priest here in the USA who needs to hear your message.He is in total disobedience to his Bishop, refuses to call Pope Francis the Pope and is leading many astray by his hateful and repugnant name calling of all bishops. Listening to you makes me think you are talking about him. Somehow, he feels the vow of obedience he took to obey his Bishop on the day of his ordination no longer applies to him or to any of his unkind uncharitable followers.

@Kjt853 Жыл бұрын

Also from the US, and I think I know which priest you mean. IMHO, the man is as much a scandal as the one who uses the idea of “building bridges” to baptize what God Himself has declared sin. Two sides of the same coin.

@patriciagrande311 Жыл бұрын

@@Kjt853 I agree

@puddyhuston 9 ай бұрын

Neither do i they are so mean about dear Pope Francis

@debbie2027 Жыл бұрын

Boo AND hoo ... HAHAHAHA

@julienewman1344 Жыл бұрын

Respect our elders

@debbie2027 Жыл бұрын

@@julienewman1344 rash judgement

@user-xj1cj4nm7s 10 ай бұрын

Many of the bishops are indeed disappointing. There is true obedience and there is also blind and false obedience.. Bishops are not gods. Prelates are not to be obeyed in everything said St. Paul who had no problems about giving his Pope a piece of his mind.

@jjcm3135 Жыл бұрын

No lions in the hierarchy.

@robhoran72 Жыл бұрын

Some...Strickland, Viganò, Sarah, Pavone, Peta, Burke and the rest of the Declaration of Truths lads. Need more.