High Power RTX 4050 / 4060 / 4070 Laptops Are a Waste 💸

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Timestamps:
0:00 Don’t Waste Your Money!
0:24 RTX 40 Power Levels - According to Specs
0:43 Lower Power Limit Than Expected?
1:24 Here’s The Problem… A Voltage Limit
1:47 Not All Workloads Impacted
2:03 Power Scaling - Time Spy Score at Different Power
2:42 What About Game FPS? 10 Games Tested!
3:00 RTX 4050 (40-140W) - 10 Game Average - 1080p
3:32 RTX 4060 (40-140W) - 10 Game Average - 1440p
4:02 RTX 4070 (40-140W) - 10 Game Average - 1440p
4:26 More Dips in Performance? 1% Lows Compared
4:47 Are RTX 4080 and 4090 Impacted?
5:05 FPS in all 10 Games at 11 Power Levels on 3 GPUs
5:29 140W Might Help Some Workloads
5:49 Why Voltage Limit? Can it be Removed?
6:07 Artificial Limit so RTX 4070 Ti Makes Sense?
6:26 Low Power Levels Still Good for RTX 40 Series
6:48 Misleading to Advertise 140W 4050/4060/4070?
7:07 How I Will Show Voltage Limit in Future Reviews
7:59 More Laptop Mistakes & How To Avoid Them!
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@JarrodsTech Жыл бұрын

Forgot to mention in the video, I also tried Cyberpunk with ray tracing on the 4060 to see if maybe using the RT cores would bypass the limit, but it was no different.

@theone1598 Жыл бұрын

i think this policy isn't legal, is computer obsolescence. the same think do apple with cpu and battery on iphone. (in Frence is a crime)

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

Market Share Ready® for AMD Radeon nom nom 🐊😋

@Stef3m Жыл бұрын

On desktop is actually simpler games that consume more because they have an higher GPU occupancy, ray tracing could actually be counter productive as it cause lower occupancy due to its inherent incoherent instructions and memory access pattern. DLSS will lower the resolution which may hit occupancy too, maybe DLAA would push more

@georgealevmendez398 Жыл бұрын

@Jarrod's Tech can you please make a review on the Predator Helios neo & Helios 16 series (2023)

@zefrog7482 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jarrod. Is this hard voltage lock on desktop as well? Also what's your theory on this? I'm thinking board partners were kind of in the dark or they would not have designed things around higher TDP's and the extra money that entails.🤔

@mohamad.h4300 Жыл бұрын

It's the scam of the decade from nvidia selling cards claiming its "140w" when in reality barely reaches 100w smh . Great video Jarrod

@allstones1462 Жыл бұрын

it's even weirder considering people dont buy laptop for wattage, they just want frames!

@sonicboy678 Жыл бұрын

On one hand, it's good because these GPUs can achieve the same performance without sucking down as much power as Ampere. On the other hand, the scaling is literal garbage once you hit 90 watts on these, yet they'll still be sold under the pretense of being more powerful than they are with the voltage limit they have.

@Copperstoned Жыл бұрын

Thin and lights running on low power definitely have an edge with these cards inside. 😅

@thetrustysidekick3013 Жыл бұрын

I dunno how Nvidia hasn't been sued with false advertising yet.

@niko1even Жыл бұрын

@@thetrustysidekick3013 because they're a big corporation and they're gonna win the lawsuit regardless. Just how the world works now

@zefrog7482 Жыл бұрын

So basically Nvidia has deliberately hindered performance so as to not give any extra performance than they decide the consumer should get?

@rechargemotivation Жыл бұрын

Yes

@simplydat Жыл бұрын

Yes

@namanmahendra6596 Жыл бұрын

Yes

@frieza1016 Жыл бұрын

seems about right!

@redsusoverparadise2700 Жыл бұрын

Yes, to make you pay more on laptops that offer the second last digits, 8 and 9.

@buildingAbiz Жыл бұрын

No one does a better job than you! Thank you for putting in the work you do!

@antondovydaitis2261 Жыл бұрын

Double Plus Good!

@BleedForTheWorld Жыл бұрын

Laptop god

@MUKA4FAITH Жыл бұрын

Yuppp!! Fr!!

@TechGuyBeau Жыл бұрын

Tbh I take a totally different approach to reviewing laptops, but I get a LOT of inspiration for my channel form Jarrod. Unbiased clean info as always sir

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

WHat's best laptop around 2500USD for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Need performance near-about 3070TI and processor: i7-i9 ~Data Science and AI graphics ~Computer modelling and networking ~Virtualization Should I buy this gen or 12gen with 3070TI????

@hardsss4 Жыл бұрын

Please let's take a minute to appreciate what Jarrod is doing for us here, I salute you man. I don't know without you how we would know these dirty quirks by Nvidia. Thank you so much.

@mr3_def Жыл бұрын

very much agreed

@cosimo8888 Жыл бұрын

Agreed completely. This is extremely helpful to the public.

@tw350z7 Жыл бұрын

I cannot give your comment a whole bunch of likes, but i can give you these 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@dksun Жыл бұрын

What's with the take a minute bs. I'm taking 8minutes to watch it already.

@lilith1504 Жыл бұрын

Excuse me what is dirty here? They made power efficiency chip, then sell their chip to other hardware manufacturers. So laptop-produced company already knew how much TDP this chip can consume, they could market in whatever way they want to sell their laptop. And you wanna tell me what the heck Nvidia cheated or lied you?

@sebastianjost Жыл бұрын

I really love these power scaling tests you do. They allow us to get a very good idea about the performance of whatever laptop we might want to buy any uncover oddities like the one shown here. Thank you!

@balubalaji9956 10 ай бұрын

big thanks for the power scaling charts

@TechTyrial Жыл бұрын

I call shame on Nvidia. This is amazing information Jarrod❤

@Selimify Жыл бұрын

finally first on reply xD is this count ?

@tklover304 Жыл бұрын

Wow 😒😮😳

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Жыл бұрын

Nshitia has clearly made 4050 appear as the 4060 and forced higher power limits on it. If this is what next gen is supposed to be, I can do better.

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

@@Samdevay Do you need more than 8GB of VRAM? If so you're gonna need something with an RTX 3080TI, 4080, or 4090 Mobile.

@cgrf45 Жыл бұрын

ScamVidia won't like this video.

@il_principe 4 ай бұрын

cry

@rifathossain8940 4 ай бұрын

@@il_principeu seem to be are crying

@thomasparkes5707 4 ай бұрын

@@il_principebro crying 😂

@PcKratos 2 ай бұрын

Bro really said "🥺:cry"@@il_principe

@kanbei0412 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jarrod. So far you had the clearest and most data driven tech reviewer i ever watched. You deserve more than thousands of subscribers!

@darrell9616 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the valuable investigation. Very informative and useful to help people make an informed purchasing decision. It also confirms my decision to skip anything below 4080 for this gen.

@ttkttk7463 Жыл бұрын

i believe that's what Nvidia wants exactly. They want everyone to buy the more expensive laptops.

@darrell9616 Жыл бұрын

@@ttkttk7463 No question. It's terrible TBH. I have my eye on 3080 and AMD 6850M XT right now due to the pricing issues of 4080 machines.

@alexandrostheodorou8387 Жыл бұрын

@@darrell9616 Just wait until christmas time. Thats when the specials come out.

@ttkttk7463 Жыл бұрын

@@darrell9616 but i think those cyberpowerPc laptops are somehow fairly priced. rtx 4080, i9-13900hx, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd is going for around 2,300. it ain't cheap but it's better than the rest. i just couldn't find much reviews about it on youtube.

@darrell9616 Жыл бұрын

@@ttkttk7463 You're right. That's the best value going right now for a 40 series machine. I can't find any either, and support from these smaller companies is always a concern. It's great to have options.

@wolfstorm5394 Жыл бұрын

It's strange but I think those higher power limits will serve you best with a slight overclock, for example on my legion 5 with the 115W RTX 2060 refresh, going full throttle at 115W gets me nothing other than extra heat, the FPS is the same as running in 80W mode, but if I just add a 115mhz OC to the core then my FPS jumps up by 10-15 FPS, putting it on the same level as a stock desktop 2060, doing that same OC in 80W mode gets me nothing, maybe 3 FPS at best

@a1lebedev Жыл бұрын

Crazy situation. Thank you for covering it!

@ijtaba7 Жыл бұрын

That's really groundbreaking! They're only allowing higher TGPs in some particular gpu workloads to avoid lawsuits. They only want their 4080-90 series to reach the max performance limits!

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@newwillo4969 11 ай бұрын

@@Samdevay buy a 3070ti max power.

@JarrodsTech 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the support! sorry for the massive delay, KZfaq isn't the best at notifying for these!

@Dualz22 5 ай бұрын

@@Samdevaybuy an alienware on the second hand markets, these laptops have good cooling system.

@orangeheartguy Жыл бұрын

It's incredibly amazing that you point this out, Jarrod. You honestly do the most and I'm here for it! ♥️

@varski76 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for letting us know these findings !

@markus.schiefer Жыл бұрын

That was known for quite some time now, but no one has done a proper job testing it and putting numbers next to it. Great job. That being said, I am pretty sure Nvidia just (mis)used this limiter to restrict performance some more when they found out that they are still too strong even after castrating those dies.

@Ragnaraz690 Жыл бұрын

Really curious to how well they would do with MSI afterburner tuning, undervolting and overclocking may actually allow it to make the most of that wattage. Just food for thought.

@dragone7e Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Jarrod for this information! Best laptop reviews for sure! Could you also test the performance difference on video editing tasks like Davinci Resolve? Appreciate your work!

@simoz78 Жыл бұрын

this

@bertoldgoltz9272 Жыл бұрын

Awesome work as always. Thanks. Can you please do same test with FG ?

@vietvhnguyen Жыл бұрын

Great video! Great work! 💯 Maybe this is the first time I see a review testing the full TDP range. Love to see a similar graph to the one at 6:10 but with the score scaled by watt, something like Scores/watt vs watts, in an updated version of this video. If you can also include the laptop price range for each GPU TDP, I feel it could be one of the best buyer guides. (It's just my thought when seeing this video, I am not sure if it possible to include the price or not) Thanks!

@byongyoon Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your another great coverage Jarrod. Definitely Nvidia is forcing their enthusiastic laptop gamers to pay a shitload of money for 4080 or higher. I'd been considering to buy another gaming laptop this year to replace my old Alienware m15 having 1070 max-q inside, but after watching your clips on laptop 40 series I changed my mind to have a desktop instead. They just don't deserve... Shame on you Nvidia.

@karanramrakhyani4014 Жыл бұрын

i think u can also buy amd ones or prev gen laptops which are on sale

@tilburg8683 Жыл бұрын

For laptops I'd honestly just look at either AMD or intel this generation if you want to buy new.

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@tfuu5144 7 ай бұрын

Shame nvidia and after that u r going to shop and buy their desktop gpu lol

@habbyhouse Жыл бұрын

Give this man an award, equal to or greater then that of investigative journalism. He is the only laptop reviewer who appears to bring things like this to buyer/consumer attention. Jarrod have my respect all the way.

@kaywonderer Жыл бұрын

He talks like NPC doesn't bother u?

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@STORMFIRE07 Жыл бұрын

@@kaywonderer who cares however he talks, as long as the information is real and accurate

@zerocal76 6 ай бұрын

Lol it only bothers You bud @@kaywonderer

@thomasparkes5707 4 ай бұрын

@@kaywonderershut up NPC

@santosh_ksh7 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Jarrod for your valuable insights

@o_kyrios_kekw Жыл бұрын

Great comparison video as always! Is there a similar video for the 3000 series?

@selwyntan4014 Жыл бұрын

Wow, seriously you deserve wayy more clicks. This is important stuff and we all thank you for your very hard work! Excellent video, as always! Nvidia has some explaining to do, even though I doubt they will.

@LuideMulumba Жыл бұрын

A quick thought on this; does the voltage limit mean that undervolting the GPU might actually unlock more performance?

@ahsoka6807 Жыл бұрын

Really quality info Jared thank you

@qwertyme8338 Жыл бұрын

Man such a detailllledd video...hats off man 🎉

@zerexxxxx Жыл бұрын

you might be able to ignore the voltage by using msi afterburner curve editor. you will get less clock speed tho but you might be able to get more wattage instead… Idk how each will perform so you have to test it out.Try setting the voltage to 0.9.Make sure to tick constant voltage in msi afterbruner.

@Flo-ug8lg Жыл бұрын

I wish you would make a video nvidia 3000 series vs 4000 series with the same type of graphs (per watt performence and per dollar performance) 😊

@umoz8336 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the awesome work. How do you control and set the tgp of the mobile gpus? I have watched the whole video, maybe i did not catch it.

@SabinTV-NP Жыл бұрын

What a banger! Also waiting for your 2023 G14 review.

@GiovanniP199 Жыл бұрын

Maybe that's why 4070 and 3070 looks so similar, the 4070 is running at 100w while the 3070 is closer to 140w, probably a 140w 4070 (if this thing got fixed somehow) would have that improvement that we would aspect.

@NeblogaiLT Жыл бұрын

Great confirmation in actual games of good old leaks, that said AD107-106 is not scaling past ~105W. Now waiting to see if desktop cards with these chips (4060 and 4060Ti) have this same problem.

@pedro4205 Жыл бұрын

Linus tested boosting the 4090 to use over 600W, and the performance was barely improved even with voltage regulation disabled. I think this might be an architecture limitation.

@niebuhr6197 Жыл бұрын

Desktop chips wont have low voltage limits, they would be able to push 1.1v and 3ghz...

@viko207 Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU for this, really helpful!

@ermalmorina7261 Жыл бұрын

This is absolutely invaluable. Thank you for the work you do, we really do appreciate 👏🏻

@poemontyperacer Жыл бұрын

Awesome analysis and explanation!

@Behdad47 Жыл бұрын

Jarrod just saved a lot of people hundreds of dollars.

@lil_brumski Жыл бұрын

*Thousands*

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@sebastianr5051 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic video & research mate. Keep it up! :)

@antonton8005 Жыл бұрын

A remarkable research. Thank you Jerrod.

@ElBandito_Gaming Жыл бұрын

Me and my wallet are thanking you Jarrod! Well explained!

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

145W 3070 Mobile or RX 6800S/6700S laptops deals here I coooooome!!!! 😁

@ElBandito_Gaming Жыл бұрын

@@handlemonium I hope to get a 3070 TI at 140ish watts. I don't care about dlss at all.

@estebanguerrero682 Жыл бұрын

This is top tier content, thanks for all the effort and time put into this investigations and benchmarks

@remykamermans5544 Жыл бұрын

Got this info from other reviewers as well. Thank you for making a full video on this topic.

@JarrodsTech Жыл бұрын

No problem, the more people who know the better!

@matikiller13 Жыл бұрын

This is cool observation, but I ask, what about OC and UV? If I am thinking straight, rtx4xxx supposed to have a great OC options. When you lower gpu clock for the same voltage, results may be very optimistic. Maybe try to test that in future videos. :)

@JarrodsTech Жыл бұрын

Might change the performance, but can't imagine it preventing the voltage limit being hit and hitting a wall, that said I did not try.

@ninadjadhav8762 Жыл бұрын

Please do a Lenovo legion Pro 5/5i 4060 vs Legion 5 Pro 3060 gaming comparison

@hugoaparicio9940 Жыл бұрын

I swear, even if not being a laptop user, Jarrods analysis always hit home. Such a great work.

@KrystianLewandowski Жыл бұрын

@Jarod'sTech, I've tested Asus X16 (RTX 4070, 100W + 20W boost advertised, what feels like an in-the middle regarding power limit) using Speed Way in "ultimate mode" (NVIDIA used directly). Max value reported, for that run, by HWINFO was 118.827W.

@ColdTears86 Жыл бұрын

Superb video, great findings and info, thanks a lot bro.

@T1000BG Жыл бұрын

I wonder if undervolting them would let them hit power limits later and eke out some extra performance.

@prajaybasu Жыл бұрын

If you watched the video, you would know that the problem is the voltage limit and not the power limit. My 4060 hits the voltage limit long before the power limit or thermal limit, in a thin and light (!!). These cards are already clocked pretty high so undervolting doesn't do much since it's not thermally limited. Max I've gone is +250 core and +1250 memory. In power virus benchmarks like furmark, it does reach power limit before the voltage limit. But not a single game has done that for me.

@greebj Жыл бұрын

They aren't hitting power limits though so that's not the issue. What you'd want to do overclock. Run the gpu at the absolute max +core offset it can handle at the voltage. To use this extra power budget.

@T1000BG Жыл бұрын

@@prajaybasu My mistake. I guess undervolting would let you use more of the power or something. It's confusing a bit.

@tarfeef_4268 Жыл бұрын

Lol ppl here really forgot to use their brains. If you undervolt, you can reach higher clock speeds at the same voltage. Which means more performance. I know you think undervolting means less power consumption, but that's not entirely true. At a given state, if you only lower voltage, power consumption will go down, sure. But at a given state, if you only increase frequency, power consumption will increase. So by undervolting, at that max voltage level Nvidia is holding ppl to, you can have higher clocks and therefore higher power consumption. So OP is right and y'all need to think before commenting

@T1000BG Жыл бұрын

@@tarfeef_4268 Undervolting is holding a certain frequency by giving the core less power for the price of stability. If you can max out at 1volt for 1ghz you can set to reach 1ghz at 800mvs but you increase instability. How stable you can get depends on chip quality, but you will get lower power consumption for same performance. themselves

@mustafakamel2375 Жыл бұрын

Thank you jarrod for exposing nvidia

@niebuhr6197 Жыл бұрын

This has been known for a couple of months, Jarrod dint expose anything.

@khrismartinez6914 7 ай бұрын

Excelent work, informing us with accurate info about the video cards. Thanks for what you do. I always watch your videos to stay informed about pc's. Cheers!

@YoreHistory Жыл бұрын

For my laptop with a 4080, the msg seems to be for summer months no need to run at high profile turbo etc for 2% more fps

@DONUTT360 Жыл бұрын

The data from these tests is amazing, thanks for all the work you do! It's very sad that the RTX 4050 - 4070s perform this way.

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@ashwanibhola3766 Жыл бұрын

Wow this was a really interesting find, Jarrod! I wonder if this will blow up and force Nvidia to unlock the power that people thought they were paying for.

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

Market Share Ready® for AMD Radeon nom nom 🐊😋

@Porlcynic Жыл бұрын

Bodom! Also thanks I'm in the market and have seen similar results, I'm waiting, but not sure what for at this point

@ffvgaming3735 Жыл бұрын

I th8nk the benefits of the 4070 are in thin and light laptops, a lkwer wattage 4070 can provide great perofrmance in a 17mm thin chasis. The book 3 ultra, yoga 9i pro, asus zenbook 14 pro/16x for 2023 ar ethe only laptops I'd consider with a 4070 series gpu.

@andreiene2255 Жыл бұрын

The good thing out of this, is that if you have a cooler that can cool a 140W GPU, it will be very cool and quiet with only 100W needed.

@amizan8653 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Jarrod for the work you've done

@chhhinu Жыл бұрын

do you recommend using a keyboard cover on the laptop??.. the ones that are specifically cut key wise according to the keyboard of each particular type of laptop??

@hoanghanguyenvinh8476 Жыл бұрын

Jarrod, can you tell us more about cooling solution here ? Because as far i can tell, RTX 4070 and below will stop improving at 100W, so they will run cooler in max powered chassis. Is the lower temperature and build quality worth the price ? Most temp chart see these cards running at around 60 -80 and CPU not more than 90, which are extremely nice for longevity.

@JarrodsTech Жыл бұрын

I didn't actually monitor the temperatures at different levels here, but below 100w I'd assume they're cooler

@hoanghanguyenvinh8476 Жыл бұрын

@@JarrodsTech It would be really nice if you could just post a temp average for this generation at max load, because for folks like me who lived under tropical sun, that would be a world of different. Temp for charts usually i have to + 3 - 5 for my place.

@Winnetou17 Жыл бұрын

Well, if the laptop is properly configured to run the GPU at 140 W sustained (like in that Haven? benchmark) then it will surely be cooler and/or quieter at 100W. So that might be a reason to get a higher tier laptop, even if the 140W is kind of useless to you (at least in today's games)

@kasparsbaltanovs9656 Жыл бұрын

@@hoanghanguyenvinh8476 j

@kobbycrentsil2859 Жыл бұрын

Jarrod you are a life saver, I initially wanted to get an M16 with 4060/4070, but after this, I'm going for last year's RTX 3070ti.

@mikitadou Жыл бұрын

I went with 3070ti as well. WORKS like a beast

@yashchouksey7859 9 ай бұрын

What laptops are you using for that GPU?

@skeeo7393 5 ай бұрын

It should definitely be possible to write some code that disables/changes these limits, although it will probably have to be written in something like C++ or Assembly

@lennardhenrich7114 11 ай бұрын

thanks for the conclusive Video Mate. Keep the work up

@RyomaE28 Жыл бұрын

It's quite ridiculous that every alternate generation nvidia becomes super greedy and anti consumer, get roughed up in the market and respond well with the next generation. At this rate might as well just wait and see what they do for 5000 series. AMD not taking advantage of this gap is equally disgusting

@Schoolship. Жыл бұрын

what is intel, chopped liver? the arc cards are good.

@muizzsiddique Жыл бұрын

AMD is 100% taking advantage of this gap, by joining in. They are making their money.

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

@@muizzsiddique Market Share Ready® for AMD Radeon nom nom 🐊😋

@killermoon635 Жыл бұрын

Sorry but AMD has noting that compete with RTX 4070 at 80w. THeir GPU don't scale that very well at extreme lower power

@Samdevay Жыл бұрын

@bigdingi Жыл бұрын

Looks like Nvidia fumbled the bag here

@ThePandaPhotographer Жыл бұрын

thank you for sharing this information

@dannys7773 7 ай бұрын

great video, exactly what i was looking for! i have ordered msi creator Z17 and was wondering if the rtx4060 with 90W limit will be good enought as i saw other laptops had 140W now i feel better with my purchase thx

@ChechoGoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jarrod, it's unbelievable the huge work testing this, every game, at ALMOST EVERY WATTAGE, in 10W increments?!?! YOU'RE THE REAL MVP. For real, thanks.

@nkkdenis Жыл бұрын

10 mins ago I was thinking it's worth paying an extra for 140w 4070 :-D Now it's between slim 4070 100-120w and 4080 (170w), although those laptops are noticeably bigger and cost a kidney. I wonder which is better fps for buck 4070 (low wattage) compared to 4080 (full power). Thanks for the awesome reviews!

@AndrewKennethColborn Жыл бұрын

Why would you want 4070 when it's slower than 3070 mobile in most games

@lukemwenya1 Жыл бұрын

Very informative indeed Thank you kindly

@TheHTboy Жыл бұрын

Very clever point of view! Thanks!

@ahmettalha7165 Жыл бұрын

Jarrod you are a legend! Appreciate and love your work 💙

@GridNomofTheShyulk Жыл бұрын

That chart comparison blew my mind right away from the abyss. Am sticking to my 30 series.

@Drzestrella19 Жыл бұрын

X14 aw 3060 here. Still happy with it.

@chiragdeshmukh325 Жыл бұрын

Great video, appreciate the efforts!

@ashrfod Жыл бұрын

thanks very much for your hard work to inform us with these valuable details

@n1ce-0 Жыл бұрын

Jarrod, thank you very much for this video. I am currently considering buying a new laptop and choosing the gpu is a major headache, since 4080/4090 a just unreachable and after seeing your video I can just pick a thin and light 4070 laptop with no doubt. Good job as always!

@jackali5014 Жыл бұрын

Don't buy 4000 laptops, don't support Nvidia, if you most have one get rtx 3070ti laptop

@n1ce-0 Жыл бұрын

@@jackali5014 3070ti laptops are not cheap too, i have considered them too. It’s just if I buy a new laptop, I want it to be latest model, and not buy already outdated hardware. It is what it is 🤷🏻‍♂️

@abdelhakim1291 Жыл бұрын

@@n1ce-0 just don't buy a 4070 buy it's a meme gpu

@udaria6696 Жыл бұрын

8 gb 4070 is already limited man by its VRAM. You will have to lower settings (low-med) at 1080p in new games.

@jipeh Жыл бұрын

damn, this kind of extensive testing is what I'd hoped LTT would be doing

@yellowflash511 Жыл бұрын

Labs isn't fully set up yet although they will probably focus more on PCs than laptops anyways

@izzadabdullah5565 Жыл бұрын

i think LTT make video about rtx 4090 1000watts test today that conclude the same result as this one. They got same avarage fps using asus rog 4090, with 80 watt different(360watt vs 440watt).

@henok_gk Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This was very informative.

@syedhammadhussain6699 Жыл бұрын

Thank you soo much for telling such important information ❤ love your channel brother ❤️

@RenatoKazuo8w Жыл бұрын

I think that Nvidia and the manufacturers don't want to see more laptops on the market with for example a 3060/3070 beating the 3070/3080 because of the higher power of the 3060/3070 in these cases.

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

Well most laptop brands are still using last-gen cooling designs and power inefficient Intel H/HX CPUs in 15.5-18 inch SKUs. If they taken their time and prepared more 15.6-18" models with vapor chambers in time for Zen3+/Zen4 Ryzen supply to catch up then we would have *A LOT* more designs with 8-16 "P-core" CPUs running at full tilt with dGPUs dynamic boosting 14-33% higher to 185-200W TGPs instead of the same 150-175W limits. Just look at the 25-39% jump in TGP wattage in 14inchers from 75-100W last gen to 95-125W this gen. 🤯

@Batyalas Жыл бұрын

Nvidia never fails to dissapoint.

@lubossoltes321 Жыл бұрын

So where did you eliminate other bottlenecks being hit that might actually limit the performance on the higher power levels ? Memory bandwidth ? Memory size ? backend/fronted saturation ?

@arianamirgholami9555 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how charging voltage-frequancy graph helps with this With so much thermal headroom there should be a bigger headroom for undervolt/overclock

@Mido_ 7 ай бұрын

3:30 showing results of 4060 in QHD instead of FHD is kinda scummy

@deniskrasniqi8996 Жыл бұрын

why does the 4070 mobile have less vram than the desktops 12gb

@tiagomota2301 Жыл бұрын

Looks like the rtx 3060 mobile with 6gb and the desktop with 12gb

@tiagomota2301 Жыл бұрын

Its a shame they didnt have the same amount of vram

@qusaifarid513 Жыл бұрын

To force the user to upgrade more often Even 12GB of Vram on the Desktop part is too low it should've came with 16gb minimum

@ariefnugraha243 Жыл бұрын

And probably because increasing power consumption & motherboard space too

@naipigidi Жыл бұрын

@@qusaifarid513 you are crazy

@abdullahgun Жыл бұрын

Dear Jarrod, we are looking for more good deals on 40 series laptops. You are doing a great job with your deals website. Thank you so much!! ❤

@alvianfajar9570 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jarrod If the limitation is the voltage, then what happen if you undervolt them?

@YoorCanfly Жыл бұрын

I don't know what you talking about there is clearly 1 frame differences that makes all games 1% more playable 🤓🤓

@lil_brumski Жыл бұрын

Lol

@Colehh Жыл бұрын

Great video but disappointing to see no focus on whether or not a manual core overclock or full voltage/frequency curve sees significant performance uplift or a higher sustained power draw in gaming loads. Being limited by VREL means there's power available but the voltage itself, or rather the lack thereof, will not allow for *gpu boost* to go any higher within it's default boost range. That doesn't mean manual tweaking isn't viable. TSMCs new node is MILES more efficient than Samsung's as well and the fact Nvidia was so confident in that they just artificially limited the available voltage to reach their minimum/expected generational uplift or target performance means there should be massive overclocking headroom. What's the minimum voltage required on these laptops to sustain stock boost? It's probably much MUCH lower than the VREL point. How much can you push the final voltage point in OC? I wish you'd considered going into this as it's the endpoint of this question/revelation that increasing power brings no improvement.

@FakhriESurya Жыл бұрын

You sounds like an nvidia engineer

@l0Like0It0Like0That Жыл бұрын

I wonder if this could change for future games or upcoming GPU updates.

@ronnie767 Жыл бұрын

You just earned a subscriber. Keep up the good work.

@benjaminoechsli1941 Жыл бұрын

Definitely smells of artificial product segmentation. Thank you, Jarrod, for all of the effort you put into these excellent videos. I'm seriously considering getting a new laptop this year, so I'm happy to save a buck for a negligible performance penalty.

@beingcreative9503 Жыл бұрын

Quite interesting.. so now the

@TechGuyBeau 7 ай бұрын

Excellent work sir. I was specifically looking for the 4050 as i haven’t tested it much. S+ tier video as always

@kavivarun9121 Жыл бұрын

is there any possibility this could be cause of some sort of a software bug or so which can later be fixed in driver updates?

@Ku6epIIe4eHe7 Жыл бұрын

Nvidia has done great convincing you to strip your wallet on more costly laptops and GPUs.

@randomren6770 Жыл бұрын

6-8gb vram gpu not gonna last long.

@handlemonium Жыл бұрын

Well upscaled 900p on a 12-14.5" screen looks fine and upscaled 1080p is serviceable on 15.6-18" displays.

@vitordiascarlos3301 Жыл бұрын

could we squeeze more performance by undervolting these cards and going around this voltage limit ?

@JoloNavarro Жыл бұрын

You're really the best for Laptop Reviews and Testing Jarrod!

@vncube1 Жыл бұрын

Does this hidden voltage wall warrant a class action lawsuit? 🙃

@bballcrazeddan23 Жыл бұрын

Here in the EU there might be a case for sewing on grounds of “abuse of dominant market position”. As DG COMP has done in the past with Microsoft, Apple and Google. Although give their limited capacity to prosecute this might be too small a fish.