I think Burton's Batman managed the balance between dark and ridiculous just right, and are probably my favorite of the movies he's done. And, of course, they inspired the aesthetic of the animated series, which is still one of the best interpretations of the character to me. I did like the Nolan films, too, and honestly part of the fun of Batman is how many ways there are to interpret him. While Schumakers films weren't my favorite (though not as bad as some make them out to be), Jim Carrey as the Riddler? That was perfect.

Your description of Snyder's Batman as operatic really helped me solidify my understanding of that version of the character. That's the perfect description - melodramatic, intense, over the top - and it's a very useful framework for interpretation that I'm probably going to come back to, so thank you!

Great video! as always! I love how you always touch on how masculinity is perceived and depicted in these films. Like so much of Batman's character in the comics and animated series is defined by fatherhood and loss, being a father (albeit flawed one) to the Robins and having lost so much. It seems like Hollywood's refusal to depict him as an active parent(to live children!) alongside homophobia is really tied into a particular type of masculinity where a man solves the world's problems basically by himself. When Batman really has one of the biggest families in the DC canon.

I'm glad that the author isn't afraid to vocalize her opinion on not being the biggest Zack Synder fan and has a fondness for the Schumacher films as for someone like myself who loves my Batman dark and gritty, I have the same sentiments. The Synder films seems like they're trying too hard to make the characters gritty without any real weight or pathos to them and comes off rather pretentious while the Shumacher films to me are harmless camp that isn't trying to be anything it isn't and I find the latter admirable. Plus Schumacher has gone on record many times apologizing to fans who were upset by his films while Synder keeps insulting fans who don't agree with his vision. To me, the perfect Batman outside the comics is still the Animated Series as it was marketed to children but spoke to adults, which is the perfect balance in my opinion.

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This is a very interesting channel, and deserves more viewers and attention.

A great defense of the Schumacher films, and great to see them get treated with the same seriousness as other Batman renditions ^u^ Honestly, given how burnt-out many ppl seem with the MCU/BatNolan formula, and how receptive audiences have been to Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, Aquaman, and Guardians of the Galaxy, I kinda feel like a new colorful, campy Batman would be welcomed

Great video! For those who want even more Batman history I highly recommend “The Caped Crusade” by Glen Weldon. Particularly the audiobook version.

Thank you. The “Tumbler” is hideous. And the fact that the bat pod is a motorcycle escape makes no sense.

Halfway through i realuzed this wasnt really a batsuit video

Although I agree with what you have said about the backlash against Batman forever and Batman and Robin at the time most of that never even occurred to me, my biggest issue then (and now) with Schumacher's Batman movies was that there was stylistic shift was jarring in comparison to the Burton movies. They were promoted as and still are considered sequels to the Burton movie's but not only do they differ in actors (that not uncommon at the time) but the style was significantly different. If taken into todays context, imagine if Matt Reeves The Batman was promoted as being the same batman as Snyders Batman. The tonal shift would be jarring and change what came before it

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Yeah, I don’t know why some people in these KZfaq videos always say that the joker fell into a vat of acid; the problem with that is if someone fell into a vat of acid there would be nothing left of you, and he obviously fell into a vat of chemicals instead which makes more sense💁🏻‍♂.

Why don't you have more subscribers and views? Excellent research and presentation, cheers!

I dont understand the hate that folks have for ben affleck's batman. To me, it's right outta the comics. I actually prefer affleck's batman over christian bale's excellent batman. I like pattinson's 'the batman' the most

excited for pattinson's take. just, like, a watchable batman! a batman with Vibes the number of batmen in this video + recent casting rumors had me thinking: counting pattinson, we're at a similar number of live action batman reboots in a similar timescale to spiderman, with a heavier past of adaptation, but i don't hear nearly as many jokes/complaints about batman as i do spiderman. I'm mixed on the reason for this being spidey's reboots being a bit closer together, with more individual films (and self-titled films, if we count batman appearances in like suicide squad) even if they average out the same, spidey being less appealing to the folks who are in it for hypermasculine smash em up/superhero wealth porn, and batman just having way more angles you can come at him from. Like, i think there's unplumbed potential in the way live action spiderman's been portrayed, but just about every batman fan i know has a way they'd make a batman movie, and they're all completely different from each other and anything that's actually been made.

Joel Schumacher is gay? Never saw that coming.

One thing I learned from this video was that Joel Schumacher was gay or that his Batman movies had any sexual context in them…. Sadly, Joel passed a few years ago… Batman has gone through changes both in the comics and movies and tv. Adam West himself said that the Batman tv show was action and adventure for kids and a theater of the absurd for adults… Now Keaton is back as Batman in the upcoming Flash movie, and we first see him he utters his trademark line, “I am Batman!” Stay tuned, same Bat channel! (Guess I’m showing my age)

The entire "Camp Icon" segment of this video is perfection. I've always thought Schumacher's films are quite enjoyable if you evaluate them as campy Silver Age romps (though they have the most boring Batmen) and despite toxic fanboy sentiment, that's a very valid angle to take when approaching the Batman mythos!

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The best bet suit was Michael Keaton 's

Agree with the take on Snyder. I don't like it, but it is cohesive.

Christian bale batsuit is just as worst as the original 1939 batsuit. But Neal adams batsuit, as well as Gary frank batsuit, and Michael keaton live action suit is the best batsuit. Plus he look more like batman than anyone else when he wears the suit. Plus I grew up on bronze age comics batsuit

I was 15 years old when Batman Forever was released in movie theaters. I disliked both of Joel Schumacher's Batman movies then and now. It had nothing to do with the character being sexualized. It had to do with the character being treated like a joke. The chat went from being cool in Batman 89 to corney and square by the time of Batman And Robin. I never cared about the nipples on the Batsuit. As a kid I never noticed the nipples on the Batsuit until I read about them in a magazine. I honestly hadn't even noticed. The Joel Schumacher's movies suck and the Batsuit was the least of my problems with his movies. And also the character of Robin is a minor. He's a child in the comic books when he meets Bruce Wayne. To make their relationship sexual would be to make Bruce Wayne a pedophile. People who choose to ignore that are sick

Personally, I think that there would have been less of a backlash against Schumacher's Batman costumes' nipples if they had also been present in Batgirl's costume. However, that would likely have produced trouble from an entirely different demographic, horrified at the sexualization of a woman.

Fascistic dark colors and Ninja black.

I am a monster. I never realized that the sexualization of Batman like a female hero was the issue. Dry insightful

synder's costuming, to me, is further proof that he doesn't understand batman in the slightest. burton, meanwhile, understood batman pretty perfectly and i agree wholeheartedly that he got the exact right balance. i was fairly interested in the idea of a pattinson reboot for his inherent weirdness, but given that a lot of the clips show him doing the exact same thing america sees from its cops today, in real life, i'm not hopeful.

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I never really got the anger behind the bat nipples. How were fans upset that their superhero was being sexualised when they had no problem with the countless times action stars like Stallone, JCVD, Schwazenneger, etc, went shirtless in most of their movies? That sounds like a weak argument from people who were secretly closeted.

Your opinion of course ! Freedom is wonderful thing. 🇺🇸 Have come away and understood that you are basically pushing the campy side ? No The Schumacher campy visions were not enjoyable at all. We really now interested on a presentation of the Wonder Woman History that is strangely missing here. The Original Batman comic character was intended to be dark and fractured. This is why Tim Burton’s vision is the first baseline that started to get away finally from the Greenway campy 60’s production. Ohh it doesn’t matter about a person’s sexual preference my dear why was there a need bring that up ? 🌈 Schumacher was never right in the first place never wanted to see his take but they are part of the franchise and they are not going away. “The Batman “ for the first time featured him as a real detective and even showed how missed up he really is as fractured character straight from the comic origins. 1950s were a state of conformity how that German doctor convinced most by just by writing a book 📖 and blaming comics and pulp fiction is unbelievable. Damn Glad Stan Lee had the smarts to publish a book and ignore the code. While your accent is delicious why Is the need to speed your voice inflection a half a sec when making your videos? Nuff said our opinion of course. 🎬🎞 all the best 🥂🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇨🇮

Mocks people for seeing secksuality in the Schumacher movies, then sees secksuality in the Snyder movies... 🤔

What a ridiculous video.

I'm all the way with you on almost everything, but I have to make a stop on the "batman and robin are gay" thing. Interpreting them as "lovers" is more homophobic than anything to me, perpetuating the Predatory Gay Pederasty thing. Why is a single man being the adoptive parent of a boy seen as such thing? The entire time from the earliest comics they've been father and son, and god knows where the writer of that book got such an idea. As a campy gay person (who loves the Schumacer movies more than anything) I wish people wouldn't be so weird about them, it just hurts.

What? Joel Schumacher was gay?? I had no idea. And the 'bat nipples' era was not the all time low for the franchise. Nolan's Dork Nut trilogy was the absolute bottom of the barrel all time low for the franchise. And it just keeps getting worse..the last GOOD live action BatMan was definitely Burton's 1991 sequel. After that, the Bat died.