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Yes you are absolutely right , as a gwen main i cant agree more with spamming warmog agaisnt any champion

Warmogs has always been an interesting item. Tbh I'm surprised it's still in the game.

As an adc, I have have found dealing with health stackers way harder for the last 2 patches for the reasons you have mentioned. The only way to deal with health nowadays is to have health shred in your kit, which I believe applies to 40% of todays champions, or take cutdown since high health champions will be above 50% for most of the fight. So pretty much a huge buff to health if enemy team can't counter it

IMO buying it on support is kinda bait because you have to base a lot for wards anyway.

It's super busted in top lane on champs like Mundo. Rush it first item and suddenly you win basically every lane for free as long as you don't get 100-0ed.

Ornn is very broken right now. I am going overgrowth conditioning and running tear start. Then I go cinder into warmogs into fimbul. get jaksho fourth and you can go situational for the rest. Super op

Dota had something similar happen a while back. An item that's basically Warmogs was rarely ever bought, then when worlds came around all the pros busted it out and revealed how broken it was lol

I took it on KogMaw for an ARAM once because we lacked a tank. By going Titanic and Wits End, both rewarding me for building HP, I became both hard to kill and annoyingly present. I still got kills due to his percent HP damage. The fact that Terminus also gives both resistances it suddenly doesn't matter that the damage is very bad compared to a carry build. You still deal enough damage to be threatening somewhat and you include on-hit items you might see anyways on him.

poke damage doesnt matter anymore bad trades good trades, you heal back

"The longer the game goes on the less revelant Heartsteel becomes" - man, are you trolling or what?

Basically freelo for Taric players (the 6 of them)

so you are the reason for the warmogs yuumi in my game

Ive been abusing it on sett Heartsteel, boots, hullbreaker, titanic, the hp to ad item, steraks then replace boots with warmogs you get 409 movespeed with sett out of combat ur W does 3.7k dmg without Heartsteel stacks and like 6k or 7k hp i thunk

I understand your thought process but I do think It's more than a stretch to think a tank meta might actually happen again in league. Bruisers and damage toplaners are so far ahead of the curve that a change like this at best might make a couple tanks actually playable. I haven't seen a single meta since ardent sensor in season seven in which mid/jungle has not been the primary determining factor in the outcome of games. At best top and support have gotten up to a far third, and ad has been pretty much the worst roll for I can't even think for how long.

Majority of my games this season win/lost has been determined by if the champion is tanky with little bit of hp like briar and still do dmg or if they can spam shield which has low cooldowns since there’s no answer to it besides serpent fang and lifesteal since no one in the team knows how to buy griev.

This item feels seriously AMAZING on Dr. Mundo

prob is as loong you get fountain mvspeed buff wich is always the case when you can buy warmogs, it make the item obsolete

what about armor and mr scaling tanks like ornn or ksante? would you build warmogs on those? its less damage thats for sure

iv been using warmog for a while with cho gath and it been really good i dont lose often with cho gath and all that health

im loving warmog on singed, can just keep split pushing against champs that outdamage me and keep healing. in team fights i can poison trail everyone and if i survive i can go back to the fight full health on a short time

I wonder when league players will realize how much less value stacking a single tank stat gives compared to combining them (stacking just HP vs getting hp+armor or hp+mr). It’s actually mind boggling, here are some numbers: If you have 4000 hp and 100 armor, getting +800 hp will increase your effective hp against physical attacks by 20%, whereas getting +100 armor will increase your effective hp against physical attacks by 100%!!

I swear if they use this as an excuse to give bork the +10 current hp dps.

more penetration will work on champions like malphite or ramus but nor for like mundo zac tahm and other champion that basing or health not not armour

About supports with it, even if soraka can use it in a great way (she can basically warmog her party as well) the cost is too high, really what an expensive item

my first item on shen on 14.12 and 14.13 when i get it i am unremovable from lane and can trade to then regain health even mundo cant handle it

Didn’t see anyone buying this item yet on my game

Great video in generall, however there is 1 thing I have to point out. Heartsteel dmg is definitely not going to fall off late game by any means unless you buy it when you are being turbo behind and cannot proc any stacks before late game. The reason behind it is that it's dmg scales off bonus HP gained from items, and fhe max HP bonus it provides equals 12% if that dmg and also counts towards heartsteel dmg and HP gain in the future procs. Which means that every single heartsteel proc is going to make next procs more powerfull in terms of both, dmg and HP gain. Meanwhile armor gain per level is always the same AND it is limited since you can't get above 18th lvl. So basically, if you buy hearsteel as first item on toplane tank while not being behind, you can be sure that if you play the game wisely in order to get those sweet stacks at right moments heartseel dmg will outscale armor gained per lvl damage reduction. HP gain and dmg gain from heartsteel stacks is is exponential function. Meanwhile dmg reduction from armor is linear function, because the formula is made in order to make every single 1 point of armor increase your effective HP by 1% of the actual HP value(same thing goes for magic resistance and ability haste btw). So basically heartsteel will always outscale armor at some point, you just need enough time. And of course league matches aren't infinite but as I said, if yuo are behind, you should always be able to get enough stacks in order to take half of AD carry HP with a single auto.

This guy mustve not been around during season 7 when every single jgler was building green smite > warmogs > stoneplate, these 3 items together gave you literally all the tankiness you could possibly need at only a 3 item power spike, this is also when adcs build paths were complete dog ass and armor pen wasnt as common in builds as it is now. This wasnt even a tank champ exclusive build, if you had any type of engage you were going to be building these items like jarvan lee sin xin zhao literally every champ

Garen Mains: Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power. 😎

Nice video, you could've shown how the new warmogs is

* Laughs in Rhaast *

Me when the laning against warmongs:

The second segment of my essay here is rlly important i would like y'all to read it if possible. I think the problem with health is it doesnt have defense to offense, for example armor is defense to physical dmg, magic resist is defense to magic dmg, but health is just health, and with how much we had %hp damage over the last few months or even years, tanks just get countered easily especially because of the fact that %hp dmg exists on items too, meaning anyone can benefit from it, i think they should add something like health armor, maybe true health or something that reduces %hp damages if they think about bringing that back. My point is also that the whole item system is so bad, i really think of dota being superior to league just from this fact, items shouldnt be this overall broken, my current favorite balanced item right now is mercurial scimitar, because it counters healing, magic damage and grants ad and lifesteal, so it is a very situational and niche item built by specific champions in specific situations, like for example a riven facing soraka and two magic dmg dealers, this item would be perfect for her, so my idea is we should get way more niche items than general broken ones. Current super broken item right now is infinity edge, maybe lower its ad by ALOT, maybe to like 30, but then it's speciality is having that crit dmg boost (even though i want crit to be removed from the game).

i play evelyn top and can tell warmog+ full AP is just something different

I was building this on jax as 4th item bcs he has mmr and armor from ult.

"Aside from ADC's and APC's" that's where you're wrong kiddo

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There’s so much damage in the game it’s better to just kill faster than try to survive it.

buying armor really sucks when it doesn't counter assassins who literally only buy items to ignore armor and adcs who will ignore half your armor after paying the tank killing tax. makes sense health is optimal.

now we know why Aribor goes warmog on everyone in jg KAPPA

Faced 2 days ago vs a Mundo with that item as Riven, with a jng that never ganked. I was playing dodgeball while he was regaining back all his hp from each trade I made >_>. Should have went ignite to kill him more pre Warmogs.

Pair it with a rod on an AP tank, and you have infinite mana and hp and never have to back

it's a hard slot in for support due to support budget but I def still find myself doing it on soraka and zilean but I can't see myself doing it on others like alistar def have to give it a try but when you can barely make 8k gold in a 25 min game most of the time game is decided before you get it as a support def gonna run free boot with it so I can get to the spike faster

Bro i have been buying this since forever on soraka, it's a core item.

oh yes now i know why my supports are inting

And we aren't we talking about Shields... If your team can't build serpent's fang u're done.

You got counter pick as tank? Rush warmogs You don’t wanna lose trade? Rush warmogs You build heartsteel? Rush warmogs Just play sion and Mundo and rush warmogs, take trades and heal back with warmogs, til your enemy have to back, you just take tower and repeat

Yeah warmogs will surely help against one 2k auto from caitlyn

Can someone explain to me why mana, especially in the early game, isn't considered a combat stat? running out of mana and not being able to trade anymore effectively sucks. Buying a tear on a mana hungry tank such as poppy allows me to effectively trade an extra 3-5 times per recall and significantly smoothing out the lane phase, which seems more than worth the 400g cost of the item

Inb4 warmog's talon and ekko become meta. Same song, different verse.

as Soraka main I can say Warmog is best pick item

Thanks for mentioning aram

I didnt watch the video yet but in every single game I was they have atleast 1 person who has % health damage or a liandry or fucking Blade which is still broken against health.

Warmog ? yes if I need a 6th item

So you literally have the Garen's passive with an item xD

This video is so troll lmao. The only champs that are actually good with warmogs are Mundo, Zilean and sometimes Singed. On those characters it's fine but warmogs is still so bad that not even champs like Shyvana, Shen, Zac, Sej, or Tahm build it.

warmogs is insane on singed

I always use this on veigar.

Alistar applies resistences before his ultimate flat damage reduction, it will probaby still be played - it used to be back in the day even without the movement speed, but ur reasoning is just wrong, in terms of effective durability added, it's the same as on other champs.

I usually build warmog against darius as ksante 😂 i cant fight him so i dont fight 😂

Dude i want to edit like you

Have you forgot blade of the ruin king lindry torment isnt the only anti hp item

Warmog on Kayle? Are u suggesting me to do this crazy thing?

yeah except the passive only hits when you have 3k HP which is wayyy late into the game

warmog's ruin in wild rift is better tho since you heal while in combat but just alot less

Full HP Bruiser Qdyr go brrrrr

I mean wouldnt it be good on a tank buster anyway? I mean get vayne a warmogs, just auto 2 or 3 times more. Now with crit changes i can see her go full crit with a warmogs to just stay in fights longer and do shitloads of damage

Building armor and MR does literally nothing, i dont understand the items now

4:08 THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

Warmogs is still good on adcs bc if u take both the scaling HP rune shards that gives u exactly 1300 bonus HP when u buy warmogs so u get the passive. U can get it 3rd for a defense item now that adcs spike at 2 items bc the crit changes.

I swear this item is low key broken OP

Bad take... Most champ that can justify building this item generally won't because it's to much of an investment and by the 4-5 item warmogs isn't what your going to be needing.

You're making well over 20 claims for 'why x is redundant after patch, and this is better because y semi counters it" etc etc, but would definitely help if you actually calculated effective hp and efficient gold use for these champs.

all fun in games until cait r one shots and do 3000+ damage

song though?

it's actually nerfed 10s wait time.

Karma would love that 1000HP, healing Missing HP with RW.

Liandry's is basically the AP meta right now, even Amumu is building it first item. That lack of anti tank assumption is kind of flawed. Also, lifesteal counters HP stacking and still exists. The move speed argument is totally accurate, mobility to the most broken thing in the game and basically defines a champion's ability to be played. However, Warmogs is still bad. There are better move speed options which provide more effective HP and more move speed, and don't essentially grief you out of an item in a fight. This has been heavily debated already and every number based argument and non-fallacy based one come to the conclusion that Warmog's is still only a very situational item. It would be infinitely better if it provided resists and no HP and was intended as a capstone. Even the skirmish argument just doesn't work most of the time. Teams roll up to an objective together. If you're outnumbered, you'll die in the skirmish. If you outnumber, you'll stay in the skirmish because you have a winning fight and won't get value out of Warmog's. If you're even on numbers, you'll be staying in the fight until you win or die. If you're chunked out and go to use Warmog's in this situation, you've already lost the objective because you can't frontline any more, so you've lost the fight and map position and got no value from Warmog's. It remains only useful on a very few champs in a very specific number of situations. Even Kench barely builds it, indicating that it's basically only picked into specific circumstances, like no burn damage champs into low DPS teams who struggle to deal with HP stacking and struggle to take neutrals quickly. How does this change the meta? It doesn't. Even in your example clips, it doesn't work. You show a Zac getting completely chunked out of lane and losing an entire minion wave while dealing NO damage back to a champ a level down from him. What kind of tempo cheat is that? Just build something MR and actually win your trades. You want tempo? Don't be sitting in a bush zoned off exp for 15 seconds waiting to regain HP you could have just not needed to worry about because your opponent was dead. And as always, Twitter is no longer a functional information sharing platform because no one can read more than single tweets.

it is broken on mundo sion and chogath take a bad trade heal back, especially on mundo where he is manaless scales with hp and can give a fight

There is a lot more penetration, a bit too much, tanks aren't tanks when adc buys ldr and hp has become relatively better but its still nothing without armor and magic resist, those mages who build lots of hp still get oneshot... And idk why they increased damage so much when the game was overloaded with damage to begin with

you are wrong, not the drowned guy.

that is until your enemy has fiora or vayne or any other stupid ass champ that scales with % max health true damage then youre fucked either way

I guess i am building warmogs on talon ;-;

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I build iit on Yasuo with titanic lmfao

Build it on soraka every time

warmogs soraka is coming back noo

Me as a skarner main😮😃

Why warmog is not good as a 6 iteam of adc/apc? Apc lack sustain so in some specyfic champions i can see it, for adc its kind of best defensiv item cuz they dont have zhonya or banshe

Wow health isnt a useless stat that just makes you take more damage past midgame for 2 patches lets nerf it the problem is definitely the fact tanks can survive 1 adc rotation not that they for some reason keep making tank tank less and do more damage every season.

Might be dumb but ia it worth on pyke?

Easy nerf, hit HP *damage* scaling on champions with it across the board, because aside from tanks dealing damage, and there not being a very strong anti HP AD option, nothing here is inherently toxic. Tanks surviving fights is literally the whole point of being a tank, HO should hold priority over resistances in most builds, and building survivability should always be a viable option as long as there’s a downside.

It barely changed. Ofc it was buffed yea sure its cool that we dont need to buy a kindlegem too to proc it but its really not that 200h that made it super vroen people just slept on it

What are you on about like half the ad crit items got nerfed littereally fake information you are spreading

WAS ALWAYS LIKE THAT XD

just make it a Tank Exclusive or just remove it Warmogs and Heartsteel are Tank Bait items

finally I might stop getting hate for buying this item xD

TTK is finally going down, thank god

“anyone can build warmogs” besides pyke really