Exactly!

@@TZAR_POTATO Pin Please XDD, Jk.

@@pluckyleon6640 I mean... I sort of said this in my last vid, mr copycat :P

@@TZAR_POTATO 😂

It should also be noted that the video undersold Black King Bar and Blink Dagger quite a bit. It's kind of a thing League doesn't really have: Items whose existence demand or allow the existence of other items and spells. BKB isn't just a continuous cleanse, it is also a source of magical immunity, which denies half of these items on top of numerous abilities from targeting or damaging you at all. In fact, the existence of the stun-on-attack Abyssal Blade and targetted-Polymorph pretty much is only justified because hard as fuck defensive options like BKB exists too, because the game sometimes needs an hard-NOPE FUCK-YOU stun to that kind of effect. BKB is such a pressure to the game, that we've seen removing "piercing ALLIED magic immunity" be components of the balance - you also have to juggle being immune to your own team's saves. The biggest drop on that line of thought is a semi-hard exception on having both the physical immunity (ethereal effect from ghost scepter/ethereal blade) and magic immunity applied to you at the same time, since that would make you basically invulnerable for a bit.... But we just got a hero designed specifically around abusing it, Muerta (who ironically can be hard countered by similar interactions), so I don't think any preconceived notions of what's allowed or not end up meaning much. On a similar line of thought to all of this, the reason why passive evasion on items is allowed there but went to retirement in League is also because there's 3 methods of ignoring evasion (Any Javelin Upgrade's passive accuracy, Bloodthorne+Revenant's Brooch active accuracy, and then a bunch of spread out number of guaranteed hits on items and abilities). Funnily enough, not one single of those accuracy effect is bought primarily for the accuracy aspect other than Monkey King Bar. So yeah, the summary of it is, evasion can be bought because accuracy exists all over the place, even if we only have one single de-facto counter.

what does a hero truly need?

100% feel it. There's something about the way dota 2 gives player feedback that's just unparalleled in quality to that of league.

Agreed plus every Item has great sound design.

In league you get in a fight there's 20 passives that activate at the same time you don't know what happens unless you look at the enemy build and death log after. There's some audiovisual feedback for runes but not all of them. Some shields have clear effects while other don't. Some effects like grievous wounds have a visual feedback that you can see but in the middle of a big fight it doesn't easily catch your attention and you can't always tell where it came from unless you check items and everything. It really makes the gameplay feel less impactful. you just go in and what happens happens. There's so many times I got slowed and the game doesn't explain why. You'd have to investigate between the runes, items and heroes many passives somewhere there's a conditional slow that fucked you and you had no way of understanding that during the fight. The fact that it never happens in dota shows just how well it's designed.

Some items in league do it ok, Luden's pop is decently loud but not necessarily what you're gonna notice when Annie dropped a thousand-pound bear on you for a stun. Heartsteel I do think is decent at it, the sound effect it makes and it's criteria being an auto attack to proc makes it mostly obvious. But then you have things like Liandry's, Jak'sho, and the like where it barely feels like anything is happening on both sides of the situation.

​@@doublejacketjimmy391 agreed

totally agree with this.

Support in league build the same exact items in the same exact order 99% of games while in dota you have to think and see what your team needs. That makes playing support very rewarding. There's a game where I built atos on dazzle because they had a sniper and we didn't have any lockdown and the moment I used it the enemy team started being more scared and it gave us enough space to catch up and win the game. Things like that never happen in lol and that's why I respect dota more as a strategy game while lol feels more like multiplayer diablo.

@@amuro9624 ? What is that nonsense you are spitting. In league you should also build items according to enemies and allies, especially support. So idk what ur talking about honestly

​@@amuro9624like this is clearly a take from a silver/Gold lol player

@@natural783 give me an example of an item you built because of your teammates as support in league.

Sad times.

I didn't include neutral items or trinkets here (except for like 3 seconds at the start)

@@TZAR_POTATO right, just wanted to mention it since you mentioned attack range with the dragon lance

Basically the fucking bird becomes a carpet bomber every 15-20 seconds xD

Oh, what a cool idea!

Yep its true. Almost all heroes in dota can be any role. (Carry, mid, support etc) and they can flex between attack dmg based or spell based. However, the higher in rank you go the harder it is fight the meta. You'll be punished hard for trying to play carry as a support hero because the top players just know the game too well, especially if the enemy team is in a stack.

@@curtisstephens4482 it's 7.33 , fucking everything meta is out the window! I showed a divine player my AM mid build and he spams it now, meta be fucked!

@@TZAR_POTATO Meta is awesome u mean :D Great videos man, keep up the good work

@@mu0nt893 Thank you!

Well put, it's "filler" !! Hadn't thought of it that way.

Yes this is true. I mean all of the champions have their kit "perfected" so they don't need any more abilities. They need stat check. On the other hand DotA Heroes need items to support their playstyle.

@@rayznshine totally

​@@rayznshine yes. A lot of heroes desperately need a blink dagger to be even remotely useful lol

@@curtisstephens4482 don't buy blink on Anti-mage please

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Scyth of vyse, Euls scepter, ¿Meme hammer?

Also consider Boots of Travel for changing the kiting scope from micro to macro, but with you on the lead this time.

If an enemy is kiting it'd be Rod of Atos for some who can nuke but no move speed or if you have move speed but can't deal dmg, bloodthorn can work. Depends on which hero you are really.

Also force/hurricane pike? Also harpoon now... and I guess aghanim's scepter and shard... Technically.

Think its intentional, from what I've seen and experienced, league is Champion first then items. Obviously, this has its pros and cons.

@@firelynx1266 it is intentional, but i personally dont like it

Wait. Characters without mana? That's weird

@@lees4416 other champs use energy (particularly Ionian champions) or don't use any type of energy source.

@@lees4416 some champions use a resource called "energy", others use their own hp to cast abilities

:) I reused now unlisted videos. I have two commercial vids where heroes meet up in different games, for twitch events i ran a month or two ago

​@@TZAR_POTATO Do you stream as well? If you do you should link your Twitch so both platforms can find you.

@@tylerteracide I do stream, yeah. No need for the platforms to clash though. Other than the streams that I coach league players learning dota, my content from both platforms is pretty different.

Right? I even buy it on axe, i mean how can you beat 5 sec aoe cc

The reason lol items have so much text is because they are very fine tuned for balance, not to seem cool. Every part of the item description is there to make it viable on many champs while not being broken on any of them.

@@dmon9333 LOL is not very really that "fine tuned" compared to Dota though

@@dmon9333 and yet league item build is very linear

@@dmon9333 I don’t think so, the finely tuned aspect of an item or weapon doesn’t require walls of text because whether an item is finely tuned to be balanced or not is entirely reliant on the environment it’s in. A single item like Euls Scepter can be finely tuned for balance in dota and constantly is, despite being very simple. They just occasionally change the price or disable time to fit the meta so that it’s balanced. League weapons are over tuned in that case, in a way that gets in the way of game balance not aid it because they’re so absurdly overly convoluted and therefore convoluted to adjust for the meta and balance.

Evelynn with sunfire capes with perma invis was a nightmare too.

Dodge Jax

is this the first vid you've seen from my comparison playlist? you might like the others even more :D

What a good quote to bring up, and so true!

@@TZAR_POTATO It was a mention from the dota 2 gamescom trailer

@@TZAR_POTATO ​ @TZAR_POTATO btw your videos are so precious for the moba community, keep it up :)

@@MyGamerPonyThat's what I mean, it was a good quote. And, thanks! I hope more people get to see them someday. I think I would get my big break if a popular personality from either game finds an interest and watches my vids on their stream, would be so cool.

YES. yes, anyone should have access to any items with little down sides aside from inventory space :D

​@@TZAR_POTATOThe addition of universal heroes as a concept I think enforces that as an idea

Not sure about that. Suddenly, some heroes benefit from all-stats items a lot more than anyone else does, meaning that common damage items are sort of obsolete for them. @@nicreven

Mostly I meant that in the way of, like, universal right clickers can buy any item they need without having to worry about the stats. If they want health and damage, they can get strength, if they want mana and damage, they get int, etc. Maybe it's not really anything like that though, I'm very bad at dota lmao@@TZAR_POTATO

Glad that you like it! I'm also a dota player, but after this patch... oh man, the more dota tries to be heroes of the storm or league, the more I wonder why I don't play more hots or league. I mean, if dota wants to be them... that's a sign?

@@TZAR_POTATO One thing I can confidently tell you about the new patch, is that its absolutely bonkers and I'm loving it lmao. Of course, as for the direction where DotA is heading, well... even I can't really tell. Some may meme about this but I really do trust the Frog himself to guide this game. Much of DotA patches and changes have many times, come from the community themselves. Even as far back to the DotA Allstars Forums. As long as IceFrog is still the same as he was, and they were (whoever his current team is right now) too, then I'm all in for it.

@@floreskyle1 I can respect the dedication! As for me... Well, I still got vids to make! I was actually thinking of doing a meme video of Patch Size comparison, but that would just be mean :D Maybe I might sometime though?

Lmao, I play fiddle support and in many cases it's awesome.

@@The69Oskar69 Awesome!

:(

Man I miss OG Paragon :(

me too bro, predecessor is lowkey terrible, i dont think its gonna make it in this moba world @@cantflyforshit

At least they sold EA packs for up to 40$. Lmao

Peeved it got removed for the next season too

Creep mechanics? I thought I covered them in a general sense in both the support video and the mid comparison videos. Or, do you think more detail is needed? Also... Thank you for the sub! Always nice to have a fan

@@TZAR_POTATO Yeah I saw you covered it lightly. I was thinking like creep dmg types ( seige pierce etc), and creep types. I wanna know what kind of creeps there are in LOL. maybe how creep aggro works in league. the Deny mechanic for all the league fans out there. Ive only watched last 5 videos, so I dont know if you covered in depth in earlier videos.

@@sayy_gaarr I see.

Ty!

Much appreciated! Hope you like all my other vids too

I feel like that's an easy way for me to make enemies... better I stick to gameplay concepts and game design for a while longer :p

@@TZAR_POTATO lmao probably true, but I do believe it's the most fundamental difference between the two games. I think it shows in how league has made a very active effort in removing point and click enemy target abilities, while Dota doesn't even see it as an issue.

Providing damage through his passive claw damage by prolonging the fight thsnks to low cd enrage and earthshock enragr euls etc with purple blink dagger

Glad you like them!

hahaha ok ok: massive attack teardrop contra zhu faded delta it's different outlaw

@@TZAR_POTATO Thanks, may your channel grow bigger. You are underrated tbh.

@@Agitubed Thanks back!

What do you mean?

​@@TZAR_POTATO Power threads is both active and passive, the active is you can keep changing the main atteibutes, and the passive is you get +10 for any of the selected attributes. I think thats what he trying to say, and i also think its one of the most unique item dota have

How? vid got downvoted hard in reddit

Thanks for becoming a fan! Please do enjoy the rest of my videos too ;)

I left it out because what the fuck how do i even approach that??

​@@TZAR_POTATOyou can say in the video that "item than can upgrade skill/ability and each hero have diferent kind of upgradable skill/ability"

yes

Coincidence, though I heard it there first. I was looking for a long time for no-copyright edm that's actually good, and remembered it worked for dota 2 tips so why not for me?

@TZAR POTATO can you link the first song pls

@@kiranaryal3641 string concertos Vivaldi

@@TZAR_POTATO sorry I meant on 5:30 really banger song

I'm not sure what you mean... but, what's important is you enjoy my vids, so thanks for being a fan!

It's on my to-do... after a bunch of other vids though. Will be a while, hope you can wait :)

Not yet.

Master Yi could fit that melee ADC, but i have also no real clue about DOTA2 and am thinking about starting to play the game. Though you have no spell immunity in LoL, but you can dodge a lot with a well timed Master Yi Q.

@@Faude18 ah avoiding stuff like this with Yi Q is quite a normal thing in Dota and you can do that on every hero if you buy item called Manta Style which creates 2 illusions of your characters, there is a window of invulnerability that lasts maybe half a second but if you time it right you can avoid everything almost.

@@The69Oskar69 but Yi's Q cooldown gets lowered by 70% upon killing champions and every auto attack lowers it for 1 second which allows for multiple Q's in a teamfight. I was more talking about Yi being somewhat of a melee ADC. Yasuo and Tryndamere could be called that as well.

​@@The69Oskar69actually Window much lower than 0.5, just saying😂

@@The69Oskar69 not something ez to do. Not all dota player is rtz. Dodging spell with blink dagger is easier to do for newbie

Already did.

Yes, dota's towers have no plating and such, that doesn't mean they have any less strategical importance. One of the main reasons you kill towers is to open up the map for your team, allowing access to not just the lane but also the nearby jungles. Controlling more of the map means your team means more space for your team to farm and less for your opponents. And that's really simplifying it. Rosh definitely has more things going for it than drakes/baron. On one hand you kill baron and get a buff for your team, cool. But only one hero gets the aegis. Same goes for cheese and aghs/refresher shard. Who should get which? Yeah the carry usually get the aegis, but sometimes it's better to give it to the mid who just used buyback instead. What about refresher shard? Give it to the offlaner for 2 ravages, or to the carry/mid/etc for 2 bkb/shadow dance/etc? That's the dota design. Everything here can be succinctly described within a single sentence. You may think that makes the objectives are obvious and straightforward, but that's just because how you're supposed to use them aren't told directly to you. Decision making especiallly at the macro level depends heavily on the context of each match.

@@absolutelynotadog7498 maybe i agree. But i notice: i found nice channel which tell a lot of difference between dota and lol. It doesn't get a lot of points to one of them. Steel analysys. Channel name "Tsarpotato" if i wasn't mistake. Before i comment it, i didn't know it. And his channel is so underrated, btw other videos from other videomakers about difference and comlexity dota or lol "which harder" get more views. in my Country dota 2 is more popular than lol, and it's cringe for me especially :D. Avarage Dota 2 russuan gamer talk about how LoL is a easy with differense of dota, and they even didn't try to take silver at once in LoL... I agree that these two so different games, in each with literally features but not one of them harder than one.

@@synthwave_chad Yep, that's how I look at it too. Those who are fond of dota like me prefer the methodical approach of dota, but I do recognize that I am too much of a boomer for the mechanics intensive gameplay of lol. The toxic people will simply write it off as they simply don't care.

Ну вот тебе личный пример, у меня в доте 700-й ранг eu, это считай грандмастер или челенджер в лиге( в зависимости от сервера). Я на euw апнул изумруд 4-й за 100-200 игр в рейтинге, не зная большинства способностей персонажей, просто копируя сборки и руны с сайта. В общем, дотерам, куда легче перейти в лигу, в то время как игрокам лиги, придется очень много чего выучить, чтоб играть в доту, из чего следует, что дота куда более обьемна из за чего и сложней.

I'm not sure, but from what I hear, there's a lot of mandatory usage of the fandom wiki to understand some items and abilities.

@@TZAR_POTATO Ahh so League just has a massive issue with clarity and specificity of information. Kinda sucky for the players, and a big put off coming from a game that does give you that clarity and specificity.

@@Wyrdangus Not only that, but interactions between spells and items are almost impossible to test because of the limited demo mode they have (called practice tool in League).

Yes, hold left-shift and you see full description with all numbers.

There's also guinsoo's rageblade and the abyssal scepter!

hehehhehe -5 ms

It is really flexible but if I see you going dagon on phoenix I will have some great concerns..

@@TZAR_POTATO I know it sounds bizarre but the worst part is that it works hahah. Phoenix doesn't really have proper scalling items, and since he is Universal he does really benefict from the atributes and the spell lifesteal. It also weirdly synergizes with his high mobility, dps and strong ability to bait. It only really works properly on mid tough (Phoenix is a surprisingly good mid), since that way he can scale better being able to properly obliterate anyone in seconds from early-to-mid Game, in the end you get the cost back. Is something you don't really think can be pulled out but it works if you know how to do it. Is a strat my brother tought out of nowhere, he is the best Phoenix player I have ever seen.

I like dota more.

Dota Arcades>>>> Dota 1x6, Overthrow 3.0, ChC, Troll vs Elves...

@@ghos_ty3157 I like aghs lab, but you didn't list it :(

I hope you mean Guardian Greaves.

@@TZAR_POTATO greaves got that property from meks lol

@@vincentprime740 Nope, check again. Please, if you are going to use "lol" at least say something that's true....

@@vincentprime740 yeah, i thought the same like you but when i checked again mekan was never had a dispell

@vincentprime740 mek is only heal and greaves gives dispel, that's y the recipe cost soo damn much

i've been searchinh for an hour

Massive Attack - Teardrop (Contra Bootleg). I asked for that on his stream :D.

Dota's item Heart Of Terrasque is better, in that it gives 1.6% max hp regen / sec, even in combat.

​​​@@TZAR_POTATOi dont think that good compare. One give you infinity scale on HP that in some game also scale with you ability damage. Other give you HP regen base on you HP. It like the Hero of the Storm quest that give you free HP every time you collect an healing orb that make every tank try to get it even it mean put them in danger

​​@@TZAR_POTATOlike in this video you could saw how impactful that heartsteel can be give tank player 10000+ Extra HP but the way it work only in very long game or speed up mode game in lol aka URF. That HP will improve some of lol champion damage to make them became unkillable oneshot machine if the game take long enough ( which never happen unless it a special mode) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gbuPlcmKkp_VfIU.htmlsi=9PAnstsVjOvlAe-O

They said that items across the board are getting nerfed with the next season :/

@@TZAR_POTATO hopefully this mean they will add new items.(lol its riot)

The biggest patch in 3 years just dropped, game is chaos and nobody knows what is going on

dota has a lot of really good noob freindly features that really help you get used to the game. You can select any hero during a match and you can see and read all their items and abilities. guided builds can be selected and tell you what items to buy in what order as well as skill order and have tooltips that explain what the items do in a eli5 way as well as explain the item synergies with your hero. Finally dota has the coaching system. if you know someone who plays dota you can let them spectate you ping things, ping items to buy, and even draw on your screen or map.

@@bradfin12 point is, guides are instantly outdated from the patch, meta is out the window, tutorials are sometimes too buggy to even complete... it's chaos out there!

@@TZAR_POTATO if you're new meta doesn't matter. If you're at the point where you are worrying about meta game you are no longer a beginner.

@@TZAR_POTATO guides are for when you don't know what all the items do or how items synergies with your hero yet. You play with guides until you know the items well enough to know what items to buy in which situations without being told.

I only showcased things as they were during recording.

I intentionally left them out, as I also left out League's trinkets.

I didn't forget.

I never forget. I just didn't include.

Reading tooltips is OP. :D

@@HighLanderPonyYT tbh I never read Luden's beyond the AP ratio and numbers of the damage burst. And let's be honest, noone gives a shit about the movespeed either, you buy Luden's for damage, and damage alone

Considered it, but heartsteel and terrasque are both top hp items so I chose that instead.

Really? Why not? Is it because people get too much mana from levels?