Homemade BB Drive Mid Drive Electric Bicycle Update

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hutchtransfer

hutchtransfer

10 жыл бұрын

This is an update to my homemade bottom bracket drive bicycle. I have upgraded the drive system by adding a freewheel adapter instead of a freewheeling crank. I changed the gear ratio and the front sprockets. I also give a detailed explanation of the electronics. I plan on shooting some future videos of me riding this bike in different conditions.
The battery is a Zippy Lipo battery, 24 volts, 8 amps. I have three of these, and I plug one in at a time to simplify the system.
Here is the video for the first version of this bicycle: • Homemade BB Drive Elec...

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@gyromatical
@gyromatical 7 жыл бұрын
I've been watching literally hundreds of ebike vids for weeks trying to decide what to make and I must say that this is definitely by far the most efficient and best design in my opinion. So amazing
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video!
@OmniShadesGaming
@OmniShadesGaming 2 жыл бұрын
i love this build, it is so difficult to find YT videos with this kind of build. i plan to build something very similar to that Mid motor build. i have some of the stuff already.
@wilsonlau9452
@wilsonlau9452 8 жыл бұрын
May I know how can a freewheel sprocket fit into brushless motor with 6mm shaft? With a shaft adapter? Thanks
@danz409
@danz409 8 жыл бұрын
didn't get a freewheel adapter with my cyclone 3000 watt kit... couldn't figure how that thing worked. thanks for clearing it up! kit should of came with the part...
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 8 жыл бұрын
Glad the video helped!
@covercalls88
@covercalls88 8 жыл бұрын
Nice build. Thanks for the info. I like your front sprocket set up, very clean. One item item I would consider adding is a chain guard for the front sprocket as your setup is little wider so your leg or pant legs are a little closer to the front sprocket. My E-bike conversion uses a 48v 1000 watt front hub set up and full suspension bike as hitting bumps at 25+ MPH can be rough on the frame. Problem for me is that my cargo bike weighs 80 lbs. when loaded with 8 6 cell lipos. Do you know what your top speed is ?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 8 жыл бұрын
+covercalls88 With this set-up my top speed is around 20mph on the flat with no wind.
@tahanlaoboy
@tahanlaoboy 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent job
@rowanpowell2226
@rowanpowell2226 9 жыл бұрын
You should make some of the motor mounts and sell them online. I have one of those motors on a rear drive set up, would love to convert it to mid drive but just don't have the resources to make the mount.
@dr.projectx5142
@dr.projectx5142 10 жыл бұрын
That's nice work that you've done there. What is the wattage on that motor that you have on your bike and volts, amps ratings?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 10 жыл бұрын
Jose Servin The motor is 450W, 24 volts. Maximum is 30amps, which is limited by my controller.
@jisozaki
@jisozaki 7 жыл бұрын
nice job. Much better than the previous one with a lot of wind noise. Do you have specs on any of your other videos with info on top speed, running time, pedal assist speed, etc?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
The older designs I no longer have. The video you watched (without the wind) is the most current build for my bike. Top speed is around 25 mph. Running time is about a 20 to 30 minutes using a 24 volt, 8 amp lipo battery, depending on terrain and wind. On the flat with no wind the bike's cruising speed is around 17 mph, and that is with no pedaling.
@tjacksondolph4026
@tjacksondolph4026 2 жыл бұрын
I want do do this with the big my1020 1500w chinese motor but it's too wide so I'd need a 90 degree gearbox on the motor shaft. It would be alot of work but would be so fast on a carbon bike.
@frankg.3018
@frankg.3018 10 жыл бұрын
really good work !
@SirBeauJangles
@SirBeauJangles 7 жыл бұрын
Impressive standard of work you've produced there. Did you say what the motor's wattage is? Or the capacity of those LiPo cells? Something that's kept me away from things like this is the cost of replacing the battery - in the UK when I was looking at possibilities I was seeing prices like about £300 for an average battery. Anyway, nice work and moreover - sound explanation. Thankyou!
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
The motor wattage is 450W. Each single lipo battery has a capacity of 8000mAh. Thanks for watching!
@livefreeordie6092
@livefreeordie6092 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. Might learn how to use manual focus or see what the focal range is, then zoom in. Can you tell us about the costs for the different pieces and the total so far? Thanks again. Good job.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
Chaz Steadman Yeah the camera I used was a Canon Powershot which does not have a manual focus. The costs for everything so far (including the bike and three batteries) is around $700, however I bought most of the items a few years ago. For a more detailed parts list you can email me at hutchmath@gmail.com and I can give that to you with links so you can see the current prices in case you are interested in building one.
@vincentdo2548
@vincentdo2548 9 жыл бұрын
What kind of batterys do you use
@markm3371
@markm3371 7 жыл бұрын
@hutchtransfer What is the freewheel you bought with the set screw? Its not the same one you used in the setup that wobbled is it, the SickBickParts Freewheel HD for $80. I cant find no freehweels with set screws at SBP or Staton Inc OK The term is Keyway Freewheel Adapter Can you please explain how the keyway engages the BB Cartrridge Spindle, you didnt modify the spindle to accept the set screw did you?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
The freewheel is separate from the adapter that has two set screws. Yes I did use the SickBikeParts HD Freewheel: sickbikeparts.com/front-freewheel-heavy-duty/ My sprockets are attached to this Freewheel. However, the freewheel is attached to this adapter that has two set screws: www.staton-inc.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=986 The bottom bracket spindle has a groove in it for the key, and this is what the adapter is connected to.
@nighthawk2766
@nighthawk2766 9 жыл бұрын
am looking to put a mid drive on a kmx cobra trike with a nuvinci n360 on the rear tire but dont know what kit to get because i want to run the drive chain on the left side of the bike.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
John Hillman Most of the mid drive kits I know of have the chain running to the cranks on the right side of the bike as you are sitting on it.
@dmanmoka
@dmanmoka 10 жыл бұрын
nice, I really like your work... This is exactly how I am making my bicycle, nice to see we are thinking the same way. even bought the same bicycle computer you have :P btw, how is the motor brushes holding up?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 10 жыл бұрын
So far the brushes are holding up, however I do not use this as a daily commuter. Just use it for the occasional ride.
@bobcatt2294
@bobcatt2294 10 жыл бұрын
Brushes vs brushless - what is the difference that you notice? I am also writing articles on hub vs mid-drives - at eiproject dot net/electric-bikes-mid-drive/ You are a candidate for a lathe and a drill press :)
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 10 жыл бұрын
Bobcatt22 Thanks for sharing your website! Brushes eventually wear out, however that takes a really long time. Brushless motors are also more efficient (and more expensive). Yeah a lathe and drill press would have saved me lots of time! Unfortunately my wallet does not agree! :)
@rondg2
@rondg2 8 жыл бұрын
Hi! How's the pedal cadence at full throttle? Can your legs keep up to add power?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 8 жыл бұрын
+rondg2 The motor spins at about 100 rpm at full throttle which is a little fast to maintain using leg power. Therefore I usually give it about have throttle when pedaling. This will extend the range of the batteries as well.
@oi32df
@oi32df 9 жыл бұрын
2:33 wide Q-factor there ! Could you use instead this one :Bottom Bracket Cartridge 153 mm from Sick bike part ? Don't know if the 153mm BB version get the keyed shaft ? Q-factor is the distance between the 2 pedals , narrower is better for the knee of any performance cyclist . Not probably a concern here for E-bike but I'm looking for an independent drive for my tandem bicycle . I want something that gonna turn round with no run out , so I reject their freewheel crank set with the thread for freewheel . What is the part number for the freewheel adaptor . 3:39 : the run-out so bad ?? Thanks in advance for info .
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
oi32df The 153mm BB version does not have a keyed shaft. That is why I had to get this wide BB since that is the only one I found with a keyed shaft.
@jjjrickey
@jjjrickey 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, I've watched all your ebike videos, cool stuff. You did it the RIGHT way! I'm in the process of building an electric bike for myself. My goal is an electric tandem bicycle that has a range of at least 30 miles, and can maintain 15mph with a full load (two people and some gear). The tandem is an easy choice, its a two-for-one, since it only requires one rider but is very comfortable for two riders and there's plenty of space for motors, batteries and storage. I made prototype with my single mountain bike and the motor I bought (450 watt), it sort of worked but I needed a chain tensioner and more accurate alignment. Plus it was only driving inline with the pedals so I had to hold my feet out as they spun. Are you interested in building my idea? I can ship you the tandem I have, or if you can think of a model that may yield easier to build on I could look into buying a different bike. Obviously I'll compensate for your time, and directly pay for all the parts you need or any special tools required for the job. I'd like to be into it for less than one thousand. I'm a mechanic, have access to welders, any kind of hand/power tool. I feel it would be more efficient for you do do the driveling work as you seem to have a wealth of knowledge and experience with this stuff, it would take me months just to research and order the right parts. Tuning and fixing it is no problem however. My vision of the final bike is: a tandem where you can use motor, pedals, or any combination of the two. The two sets of pedals could stay fixed together as they already are, but should freewheel when the motor is running. Likewise the motor should freewheel if it dies and the rider needs to pedal home. Of course the pedals will need to be geared, and I'd think the motor should have at least 3 gears inorder to get the most out of it. Then above all I want it too be stealth, I want the average Joe on the street to not tell it's a motorized bike unless he looks at it up close. That's the whole point of going electric vs the much cheaper and easier gasoline route. Gas makes too much noise and people get annoyed by them.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 6 жыл бұрын
JJJRickey, my bike was build several years ago before kits were available. If I were to rebuild this bike today, I would use a kit since the motor would be more efficient and it would be a much easier build. There are sites that sell the motor and special freewheeling cranks that you can put on any bike. The below kits would do everything you would want it to do and would be easy to install, even on a tandem. Check out the following sites for these kits: www.gngebike.com/mid-drive-kits www.cyclone-usa.com/ www.cyclone-tw.com/diykits.html
@MrHella187
@MrHella187 8 жыл бұрын
whats your duty cycle on that motor, cause your gear reduction on the motor its self is a power reduction. for one crank revolution that motor is spinning 28 times you could reduce that crank gear by a ton and increase battery longevity, where your using small cells and speed as well i would think.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 8 жыл бұрын
There is a gear box attached to this motor in addition to the sprocket reduction. So yes one crank revolution equals about 28 turns of the motor. Then you can change gears on the bicycle itself. In the slowest gears the bike goes about 6mph which is great for hills.
@sztigirigi
@sztigirigi 8 жыл бұрын
Now that is what I call an exiting q-factor :D.
@robertostman2075
@robertostman2075 9 жыл бұрын
this type of set ups seems to require a chaing gard... in general a device used to cover the chain and the gears at the front... if not it just seems to be a set up to loose your pants, the legs and yes, hand fingers...
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Ostman Yes a chain guard would be a good idea.
@AllTheGreatness
@AllTheGreatness 8 жыл бұрын
Do you think this would be water proof? I know its a dumb question but I'm just wondering how it would hold up in the rain.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 8 жыл бұрын
For a few sprinkles, wrapping the wires in waterproof tape would probably suffice. However, through heavier rain, I would cover the entire rear basket with something or put the components in some waterproof container just to be safe.
@christo930
@christo930 9 жыл бұрын
You were mostly filming from the right side of the bike, but in a couple of the shots it appears as if the left pedal crank is a good 2 inches out from the BB. With the pedal being so far away from the frame, doesn't that put your knee in a very uncomfortable position? It looks like your legs have to be pretty far apart to ride this and would be very uncomfortable to pedal (assuming you are pedaling the bike and using the motor as an assist) and might even cause knee problems. Do you know how far exactly the pedal arm is from the edge of the BB?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
christo930 This was the only keyed shaft I could find online. The whole shaft if 206mm, and was purchased here: www.sickbikeparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=114These cranks are made for gasoline powered engines, so that is why the clearance is so great. Actually I have not have a problem pedaling although I must admit I do not pedal much with the motor these days. I am not sure on the exact clearance from the bottom of the BB. You can ask Sick Bike Parts for an exact measurement.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
barryhm Yes that is correct. The left side is longer. This is because the shaft is really made for gasoline kits that have wide engines that need to be cleared.
@LimitlessFantasyUnleashed
@LimitlessFantasyUnleashed 7 жыл бұрын
wait so there a separate chain connecting from the freewheel sprocket motor and the freewheel adapter sprocket.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
One chain from the motor to the cranks (freewheel sprocket). Then the other chain goes to the rear wheel. Two chains total.
@LimitlessFantasyUnleashed
@LimitlessFantasyUnleashed 7 жыл бұрын
So you took out the thread cranks right, may i ask you what crank you're using now?
@LimitlessFantasyUnleashed
@LimitlessFantasyUnleashed 7 жыл бұрын
what type of bearing and cones are you using now?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
Yes I took out the threaded freewheeling cranks. I am using regular cranks now (170mm).
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 7 жыл бұрын
I am using a bottom bracket cartridge which has sealed bearings.
@rebekahandersen797
@rebekahandersen797 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I'm a complete noob trying to figure out how all of this works. So, if you pedal, does it assist the motor, or bind it up? What if the motor isnt running? I think you said there is a freewheel on the motor shaft... does it turn the same way as the other freewheel, or do they have to turn opposite? Sorry... I'm trying! Lol
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 5 жыл бұрын
With this system, as you pedal you can help the motor, and this will extend your battery range, especially going uphill. Of course if you are going downhill then the motor may be spinning faster than you can pedal. Because there is a freewheel on the motor shaft, you can pedal the bike as normal without resistance if the motor is turned off, which is great in case your batteries die.
@rebekahandersen797
@rebekahandersen797 5 жыл бұрын
And those 3 chainwheel setups from cyclone are the same thing, just not heavy duty? Their website isnt very clear. Thank you so, so much.
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 5 жыл бұрын
Yes those systems work the same as my setup. The freewheel itself will not be heavy duty, but the other parts seem well-built. When I built this system several years ago, setups like Cyclone were not readily available or were a lot more expensive. If I were to build this system today, I would probably purchase a mid-drive system.
@rebekahandersen797
@rebekahandersen797 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer. I actually have a hope of figuring this out now. Lol Have a great weekend!
@JeffSamuelsen
@JeffSamuelsen 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Do you have a parts list we could use?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
Jeff Samuelsen Send me an email at hutchmath@gmail.com and I can send to you.
@kkorn99
@kkorn99 10 жыл бұрын
good
@Rob337_aka_CancelProof
@Rob337_aka_CancelProof Жыл бұрын
Parts links please 😊
@nhanlm0601
@nhanlm0601 9 жыл бұрын
what is the weight of your awesome bike?
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
nhanlm0601 The bike itself weighs 52 pounds and all three batteries weigh a total of 8 pounds.
@jayralphacademia2399
@jayralphacademia2399 9 жыл бұрын
Great Electric Bicycle. Can I have the parts that we can use to build this one up? Thank you :)
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 9 жыл бұрын
Jay Ralph Send an email to hutchmath@gmail.com and I can send you the list.
@jamesfranklin5541
@jamesfranklin5541 5 жыл бұрын
Hutch, how can I email you? I want to do a similar set up for my two 9 year olds
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 5 жыл бұрын
hutchmath@gmail.com
@ionutaron4507
@ionutaron4507 3 жыл бұрын
super😉👍
@rudde7251
@rudde7251 5 жыл бұрын
Where is the follow up video you promised us? It's been five years!
@hutchtransfer
@hutchtransfer 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that! All my batteries puffed up in storage so I no longer have batteries for this bike. Due to life and family circumstances I have not been able to devote anymore time to this project recently. However I do plan on getting some lithium batteries for this bike once I have the proper time and funds. I also may do some tweaking to the design.
@rudde7251
@rudde7251 7 ай бұрын
@@hutchtransfer Bro, it's been another 5 years!
@kilrdrgn
@kilrdrgn 8 жыл бұрын
Dude move the camera AWAY from the bike so it will focus!!
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