Homo Naledi: The Lies Behind Evolution's Rising Star

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Institute for Creation Research (ICR)

4 ай бұрын

Homo naledi, once evolution's 'rising star,' was considered to be a prime example of human evolution. But is it really proof? Or is this discovery just another dishonest attempt to garner fame, funding, and fortune?
Host Trey and Dr. Jeff Tomkins discuss this vital topic on episode 69 of The Creation Podcast!
Articles:
Homo naledi: Another Failed Evolutionary Ape-Man - www.icr.org/article/homo-nale...
Homo naledi Didn't Behave Like Humans - www.icr.org/article/14425/
No scientific evidence that Homo naledi buried their dead and produced rock art - www.sciencedirect.com/science...
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@MichaelBethel 3 ай бұрын

I just did a youtube search on Homo Naledi and the number one promoter coming up is National Geographic. All 8 year old videos but these are what the public sees regularly if they have an interest. I had to scroll pretty far before finding the first debunking but by then I had also seen a CBS spot promoting it and of course numerous other lesser known faces of evolution. This has become a modern version of Heckles embryos; a known falsehood still promoted in spite of...

@marciamcgrail5889 3 ай бұрын

Haeckel?

@MichaelBethel 3 ай бұрын

Heckles embryos, Ernst Haeckel from the late 1860s to promote Darwin’s theory of evolution in Germany created drawings of embryonic development to demonstrate all creatures went through the same ancient evolutionary stages as they developed... total fraud and it was known fraud yet they still were placed in our biology text books for over one hundred years (mine had them and some as yet still do) @@marciamcgrail5889

@shots-shots-shotseverybody2707 3 ай бұрын

It can’t fit no matter if it almost seems perfect as abiogenesis proved to be an iimpossibility meaning the biological end of it cannot be possible. Dating it at 300,000 up to a million is an absolute licking the finger and sticking it up into the sky and guessing, that is pathetic. But we don’t need to date it at all because of the work done by Dr James Tour in abiogenesis proving biology cannot be discussed other than as mythology because transitional forms is a superfluous waste of time

@StudentDad-mc3pu 3 ай бұрын

When did abiogenesis PROVE to be impossible?

@kathleennorton2228 3 ай бұрын

@@StudentDad-mc3pu The day you got your reasoning abilities. Or, didn't you yet? Hopefully, your day will come.

@StudentDad-mc3pu 3 ай бұрын

@@kathleennorton2228 Why? When did anyone prove abiogenesis to be impossible? You did not answer the question you just gas lighted me - a form of abuse. Answer the question.

@juilianbautista4067 3 ай бұрын

@@StudentDad-mc3punice try, but abiogenesis has never been proved to be possible. The burden of proof is on those who believe it. Isn't this the very reason atheists don't try giving any proof for God's non-existence (because they can't anyway)? 😛

@StudentDad-mc3pu 3 ай бұрын

@@juilianbautista4067 You are right, I don't think that you can prove the nonexistence of God. In the same way, you can't prove abiogenesis did not happen. Not sure where that leaves anyone. What is probable is that the Earth was barren for almost 2bn years and that life evolved.

@andreareitan Ай бұрын

For people who don't currently have access to papers through a university, it's worth checking with your public library and with local university libraries to find out about interlibrary loans and online library access. Where I live, there are a couple of public library options for interlibrary loans, and I found out that a major university in my city offers a one-time access code for online research if you go there in person. I took that option for convenience. The one-time code still grants me access through the university's library even when I'm not on site.

@chrisdevlin9098 3 ай бұрын

This Naledi is very confusing. Thank you Trey and Jeffery for your Podcast. Brian Thomas claimed this fossil was fully human on a campus edition which I found difficult to accept. We need agreement among Creationists not confusion. Berger would not allow Carl Werner to examine his fossils, I wonder why?

@vikingskuld 3 ай бұрын

This isn't the first time they have tried to hype a find and make it early human when its not. Michael Cremo wrote a book over 1k pages of out of place artifacts. He is a Chrishna and believes in humand having been around hundreds of million years. The good thing is he points out a lot of modern humans found in places that disprove human evolution. Even if only a few of them are correct it still gives academia and evolution a huge problem.

@truthisbeautiful7492 3 ай бұрын

Well there is always debate among scientists on details, including scientists who affirm the global flood. Naledi is the most debated among creationists, so let everybody put forward the best evidence.

@vikingskuld 3 ай бұрын

@@truthisbeautiful7492 you have to have honesty to put forward the facts. It unfortunately isn't happening the academics are pulling the same deceptive game of hype, falsified evidence, and slight of hand hoping your not looking at what the other hand is hiding. Its too bad those guys can't be charged with fraud stripped of their degree and not allowed to teach. That would stop a lot of what's going on these days.

@beestoe993 3 ай бұрын

Conjecture sold as fact is an affront to science.

@jimhughes1070 3 ай бұрын

You got to be awesome if scientists stop doing that... Someday!!! There should have already been reams and reams of retractions!

@beestoe993 3 ай бұрын

@@jimhughes1070Realizing and acknowledging the difference between theory and fact should be easy. But when I hear claims like "Evolution is fact", it is obvious to me that some activist is masquerading as a scientist.

@jimhughes1070 3 ай бұрын

@@beestoe993 Precisely my friend!! 🙏👍

@beestoe993 3 ай бұрын

@@travisbicklepopsicle Your "core principle" straw man is far too sloppy for me to address in a single paragraph. But the core principle of science is to question everything, not to start from a conclusion.

@beestoe993 3 ай бұрын

@@travisbicklepopsicleI dont give a damn about trying to convince "science institutes" one way or another. I know how things work in academia. There are numerous creation scientists who are highly educated with multiple PHD's who have put forth reams of reports on various subjects only to have them IGNORED because of the millions of years agenda. Its called bias, and the best thing in the world that can happen with these institutes of ignorance is exactly what creation scientists are doing, EXPOSING THEM FOR THE FRAUDS THEY ARE!! Have you ever seen Exodus, Patterns of evidence? It is VERY revealing. Some of the most highly acclaimed archeologists in the world flat out deny evidence that is right in front of their face on camera! They are LIARS!! Do NOT suggest that I need to bow down to the authority of academia. They are human, they are biased and they are not to be trusted! And once again, you are suggesting that science begins from a conclusion. Am I surprised? Not at all. But you might want to reconsider your notion of HOW to think.

@hectorhernandez215 3 ай бұрын

All supposed missing link are still missing.... because there are no one....

@firecloud77 3 ай бұрын

If we had a dollar for every time Trey says "like."

@wms72 3 ай бұрын

In 17 minutes, he only said "Like" twice

@prairiebaptistnoblesville 2 ай бұрын

@@wms72, two bucks is two bucks. :)

@nelshrestha 3 ай бұрын

I saw an interesting video of a KZfaqr who spent some time with a tribe in Africa who still live a very basic hunter-gatherer type of lifestyle. They were taking a break while on a baboon hunting trip, so he asked the head guy some questions about death, thinking he was going to learn something profound about their beliefs; however, the reply was a very simple and matter of fact: 'when someone dies, we just leave them at the back of a cave somewhere and move along.' It was like a lightbulb moment for me: this sounded exactly like the remains that were found in these caves, and I see no reason why there always needs to be any deep meaning or ritual attached to it.

@akmurf7429 3 ай бұрын

Not only is the Human-Ape missing link still missing, but every other animal's supposed Missing link is also still missing. The fact is, the fossil record shows stasis. Things are created after their own kind just like my bible says.

@ianmonk6211 3 ай бұрын

I saw some one say the whole chain is missing never mind the link. Lol

@mizmera 3 ай бұрын

Just start to ask about any transitional fossils. At least 10, from dinosaur to current species. Each one showing small differences. No sketches. Fossils only. They all go... 1. Dinosaur. 2. Completely different animal. 3. This animal having adaptation to 10. Lol. Nothing of dinosaur changing... and they think they won the nobel prize for their answer. Pathetic.

@globalcoupledances 3 ай бұрын

No missing link. Humans are still apes. All apes are had to be offspring of Adam and Eve.

@matthewvandenelzen2337 3 ай бұрын

@@mizmeraExactly! Darwinian evolution by natural selection is evolution, by a small gradual process; genetic mutation by nature “selecting” favorable traits. There is nothing in the fossil record that shows the gradual change of speciation. A lot of secular scientists say the Tiktaalik was a crucial transitional ancestor. But if evolution is a gradual change, so there should be evidence of that in the fossil record. Unsurprisingly, nada.

@kinglyzard 2 ай бұрын

Let me list a few animals for which we have a decent to excellent fossil record. Elephants Manatees Horses Whales Seals And of course, humans. Translational species are everywhere today as well. You cannot procur every single fossil for any plant or animal. As it is, fossilization is rare. That we have so many fossils for these critters is a "miracle"

@jloubelle 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely no one believes Sediba is a mix of human and ape fossils. There are multiple individuals. Why would there be ONLY ape bones for some parts of the skeleton and ONLY human bones for other parts, with no overlap?

@jloubelle 3 ай бұрын

More than 1500 fossils representing at least 15 individuals of Homo Naledi were unearthed from the Rising Star cave system in South Africa between 2013 and 2014. Some of the bones were articulated, including a hand with all bones in position.

@jloubelle 3 ай бұрын

Tompkins knows the things he is saying aren’t true. He’s bald-faced lying. Creationists have zero integrity.

@betsyb2256 2 ай бұрын

It's a bone pit.

@StudentDad-mc3pu 3 ай бұрын

STRAW MAN: There is no consensus as to how Nadeli fits into the Human Evolutionary Tree - no one thinks they are 'transitional' or even a direct ancestor of Humans.

@robertvann7349 3 ай бұрын

Evolution atheists must explain how a Gorilla with DNA the reads never reproduce anything but a Gorilla, nothing in Gorilla DNA reproduce a human. This is evidenced in nature and labs all day long. Prokaryote DNA says never reproduce a cell with a cell membrane as evidenced in nature and labs all day long. Non existent dna code can not cause the effect of a cell membrane from a cell with no nucleus membrane.

@RodericGurrola 3 ай бұрын

Well that’s not what the article about them says or that documentary series on Netflix

@robertseavor4304 3 ай бұрын

This tree of which you speak. You know it's a myth, right? Nobody, but nobody has proved Man evolved from anything. Though it is possible that there were or are devolved variations of Man. After all, genetic mutations are always disadvantageous, devolutionary, as it were - except in Darwinist delusions.

@StudentDad-mc3pu 3 ай бұрын

Berger does not represent any kind of consensus in anthropology and has been criticised by a lot of people for his conclusions.

@philroe2363 3 ай бұрын

The “dating” alone debunks the notion that “Naledi” is some kind of “human ancestor.” Naledi is younger than Homo Erectus, which are basically modern humans.

@Jinxpowza 3 ай бұрын

Have you ever considered linking creationism with the evolution of humanity? Why couldn't the first Homo Sapiens actually be Adam and Eve?

@freddiefreihofer7716 3 ай бұрын

Shh! That makes too much sense!

@prairiebaptistnoblesville 2 ай бұрын

The only reason to link creationism with Evolution is to undermine Scripture and elevate God-denying pseudoscience. Evolution has no mechanism for getting from apes to humans. More accurately, Evolution has no mechanism capable of initiating the first life form, or to progress from single cell life into more complex lifeforms.

@mikebosler7516 3 ай бұрын

👍🤚🙏🦕

@varsenika8651 Ай бұрын

Well why Burgers is doing this? Well fame,pride money scientists are sinners also

@Torby4096 3 ай бұрын

Well, obviously, the bones were ritually buried by a small, blind, hominid. Probably had to be an earth bender😊

@loricalass4068 3 ай бұрын

😂

@paulanderson7628 Ай бұрын

All of the evidence is ambiguous except that all of the dates precede the creation story. evolution isn't always linear.

@Hermanopepe 3 ай бұрын

I just *love* the intro and outro 🎶 🎵 music 🎼. There’s no better intro/outro music in the whole world.

@vikingskuld 3 ай бұрын

Great video thank you guys for doing this. It just shows you have to look at all these so called early pre human finds very skeptically. This isnt the first time and it wont be the last time they lie about evolution.

@larocca3 2 ай бұрын

Mixing bones. Sounds like Piltdown man. lol

@jmeyercsce 3 ай бұрын

Why is a geneticist talking about archeology? Surly ICR has an archeologist on staff to talk about this.

@kathleennorton2228 3 ай бұрын

You don't need a high priest to understand this stuff. It's pretty fundamental.

@shots-shots-shotseverybody2707 3 ай бұрын

This is an appeal to credential fallacy , sorry strike one. Very ridiculous question on your part. What is it that they’re staying in discussing that you disagree with that they’re not getting correct? doesn’t matter if they’re degree or homeless without shoes if you discussing facts that’s all that matters

@davissalaki8703 3 ай бұрын

What is your qualification to comment on this video?

@jmeyercsce 3 ай бұрын

Well maybe it would be better put: why is Jeff Tomkins talking about this stuff? He is not the most honest researcher. He has been caught blatantly misreporting his chimp/human genome comparison.

@F15CEAGLE1 3 ай бұрын

Source reference on that?

@lazlohunpelso 25 күн бұрын

According to the documentary film on NETFLIX (UNKNOWN Cave of Bones), this flood-theory is a BS! The Dragon's Back Chamber has a high slope (Dragon's Back Ridge)), so the flood (water+mud) should fill the Dragon's Back Chamber, and could never reach the last Dinaledi Chamber, which didn't happen of course. Also Mr. Berger managed to get into the last chamber (Dinaledi Chamber), after losing a lot of weight. Also they found complete skeletons in digs in the last chamber. Why is this video full of lies?

@pugdaddi 2 ай бұрын

Science that confirms scripture is not science.

@betsyb2256 2 ай бұрын

So you're a science denier? Wow

@democrat7441 2 ай бұрын

Lack of research of over 100 creation stories besides the Christian one. How did you decide you have the right one?

@prairiebaptistnoblesville 2 ай бұрын

Very few religions have an actual researchable creation story. The Bible presents a creation in real time that can be linked to real historical events. You can chose not to believe the account is accurate, but it is presented as historical narrative. No other religion presents creation in this way.

@democrat7441 2 ай бұрын

@@prairiebaptistnoblesville There are over 100 creation stories. Which ones did you compare and contrast? I'm sure you did no research and are just making a claim. Ancient Greek, Sumerian, Mesopotamian, Roman, Korean, Japanese, Mayan, Hopi, Aztec, iniut, etc... Name the three types of creation stories. One creator is the newest type. Compare and contrast the ancient Greek creation story. Whom was Gaea? Surely you know since you spent much time researching creation stories.

@alanmuxlow7093 2 ай бұрын

@@democrat7441, you’re missing what was said. Most of those creation myths involve the god killing a giant/serpent/titan and making the earth out of the corpse. That presupposes an existing universe in which the god isn’t the ultimate creator.

@alanmuxlow7093 2 ай бұрын

@@democrat7441, where are the other creation accounts that give an orderly, day by day explanation of the creation process? Those don’t really exist.

@democrat7441 2 ай бұрын

@@alanmuxlow7093 You have not actually compared and contrasted creation stories to verify your claim. I'm sure you would prefer me to do the research for you that you have not done. You can name how many creation stories and give details of them? You make an unresearched claim. Ancient Greek creation story, Mesopotamian, Roman, Japanese, Korean, Sumerian, Mayan, Inuit, Aztec, Mayan, Hopi, and close to one hundred others.wbom was Gaea in the ancient Greek creation story? You actually don't know. You actually never compared and contrasted creation stories. You just made a claim.

@DaboooogA 2 ай бұрын

Berger's discovery may not be fully understood just yet, but that is far more than I can say for Abrahamic religious myth!

@prairiebaptistnoblesville 2 ай бұрын

Which myth are you referring to?

@shots-shots-shotseverybody2707 3 ай бұрын

A better question is when did they finally admit it? 2023 world renowned chemist forced the debate in 2023

@jonathanrussell1140 2 ай бұрын

Tell us all about the stripey calves, Christianisticalists 😂😂😂😂

@SopanKotbagi 3 ай бұрын

is this the earth-is-flat side of anthropology now?

@saveriosalemme5366 2 ай бұрын

Who believes this nonsense?

@danielhanawalt4998 3 ай бұрын

It's one thing, and forgivable to find something and misinterpret what you find. Entirely different to put out stories just to keep a job or you don't want to lose credibility admitting you were wrong. Love of money (job) or ego is sinful. Not so forgivable. Many scientists and others are having second thoughts about evolution and creation. Many things are being found that prove the great flood happened and the Bible is a historical account of it. Things found in geology and fossils in places they shouldn't be all points to creation, intelligent design.

@therick363 3 ай бұрын

Completely opposite what you said. There isn’t any scientific evidence to support a global flood. The evidence for evolution only gets stronger and more.

@bugzyhardrada3168 3 ай бұрын

Fact is, there is something like 400,000 versions of the bible in existence today (that’s versions, not translations). The major religions can’t even agree on how many books there are in the bible so how can anyone possibly know that their bible is “the real deal”? Jesus has been compared to a broad variety of figures from various mythological traditions within the Mediterranean Basin, including, Horus, Dionysus, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Osiris, Asclepius, Attis, and Adonis. For instance Osiris was crucified, died and rose up on the third day. The New Testament was written in Greek, as well. And for the first few centuries CE, there was a great deal of influence from Hellenistic (Greek) philosophy onto Christianity, from the very idea of a “Christ”, or savior, to the Platonic ideas of the soul and afterlife, which was largely foreign to the Jewish tradition. Jesus was a Christian form of the Greek god Dionysus. He argues that the indisputable parallels between Dionysus and Jesus were one of the key factors that facilitated the adoption of Christianity by the ancient Greeks, who initially practiced polytheistic paganism. The Jesus story in the Bible is a recycled version of the Horus story. The comparisons given below prove without a doubt that the whole Bible is full of myths and stories recycled from earlier times and made to fit the various characters of the Bible. “The scholar John Mill, no apparent relation of the philosopher John Stuart Mill, published a Greek New Testament in 1707 that showed 30,000 different available readings from only 100 manuscripts at his disposal. He was accused of trying to destroy Christianity by pointing out the truth. … We now have over 57,000 different manuscripts available and contemporary scholars believe there are between 300,000 and 400,000 different versions of the New Testament. That is more different versions of the New Testament than there are words in it. Since we don’t have any original documents, or copies, or copies of the copies, etc., we have no idea which of these 400,000 variations is the perfect one. Frankly, it boggles the mind that someone could imagine that if 400,000 different versions have come down to us that there could be one ‘perfect’ version.” Yes, folks, but Ixion was crucified for the sins of mankind. Similar story with Dionysus, Mithra, Krishna, Horus and the rest of the mythical god-men. Jesus Christ is the Jews god-man to the pagans. Simple as that.

@kenvanwyck7362 3 ай бұрын

You must of been watching that Zeitgeist movie that has been debunked a long time ago! 400,000 versions of the new testament lol

@bugzyhardrada3168 3 ай бұрын

@@kenvanwyck7362 "John Mill's 1707 Greek New Testament was estimated to contain some 30,000 variants in its accompanying textual apparatus which was based on "nearly 100 Greek manuscripts." Eberhard Nestle estimated this number in 1897 as 150,000-200,000 variants. In 2005, Bart D. Ehrman reported estimates from 200,000 to 400,000 variants based on 5,700 Greek and 10,000 Latin manuscripts, various other ancient translations, and quotations by the Church Fathers. In 2014 Eldon J. Epp raised the estimate as high as 750,000. Peter J. Gurry puts the number of non-spelling variants among New Testament manuscripts around 500,000, though he acknowledges his estimate is higher than all previous ones." Now please provide me evidence of this being debunked!? (KZfaq keeps deleting my comments so this is about as short and concise as I can make it while ot hopefully don't get deleted this time around)

@kenvanwyck7362 3 ай бұрын

@@bugzyhardrada3168 I feel sorry for you

@bugzyhardrada3168 3 ай бұрын

@@kenvanwyck7362 the feeling goes both ways my guy. If only I had such a simply mind and a cowardly heart and could believe in irrational fantasies like you but sadly this is the real world and we can no longer afford more attention such delusional ill-gotten fantasies. And you have yet to counter a single point made, could this be because of ignorance... ...At any rate best of luck to you and your plagerized, slanderous, erroneous and most certainly fictitious belief.

@bugzyhardrada3168 3 ай бұрын