Vue.js: The Documentary
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4 жыл бұрынby honeypot.io | What began as a side project of a Google developer
now shares the JS leaderboard with #React and #Angular...
With the help of Sarah Drasner, Taylor Otwell, Thorsten Lünborg and many others from the Vue.js community, Evan You tells the story of how he fought against the odds to bring #Vuejs to life.
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@jaoaustero564 4 жыл бұрын
“Honeypot is the netflix of the developers.”
@sasinosrce 4 жыл бұрын
True! Can't wait for them to extend their reach to global freelance projects ;)
@maximegasnier4622 4 жыл бұрын
Jao Austero 🔥
@vinayk7 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@jimmy_jinglv 4 жыл бұрын
@@sasinosrce wow
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@mrphilbert1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a 60 year old code dabbler. This is the most inspiring development and developer video I have ever seen. Thank you. Hurray for the hero's of open source.
@j.c-mtl1150 4 жыл бұрын
keep coding grandpa
@user-in4rs7sv9v 4 жыл бұрын
That’s cool!!!!!keep coding grandpa.
@user-in4rs7sv9v 4 жыл бұрын
That’s cool!!!!!keep coding
@captainwalter 4 жыл бұрын
they are our true modern heroes IMO!
@tyrantjones4358 3 жыл бұрын
keep coding old iron!!!!!
@fleischwolf82 4 жыл бұрын
Cant believe I watched a docu about a framework.... very well done!
@electricimpulsetoprogramming 3 жыл бұрын
KEK
@CharlyBGood11 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same!! haha how i started the day trying to make an UI excersise for a suposed interview and end up watching as you said .. "a docu about a framework" haha!
@bradchellingworth5973 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine the management meetings a meteor: Guys we got to do something about Evan, he's killing us with his weekend project!
@vasiovasio 3 жыл бұрын
The real imposter Daredevil!
@sm5172 3 жыл бұрын
I remember Meteor! Used it once. 😅
@anthonymicha7079 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like when Endframe tried to hire Richard Hendricks
@floxaz128 4 жыл бұрын
Omg who is the director of the documentary? The quality is amaaazing!
@JosiahMcGarvie 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same!! Who is he?! Whoever made this film is an undeniable creative genius! Probably popular and handsome too!
@EvanYou 4 жыл бұрын
@@JosiahMcGarvie oh yes he is
@syntaxfm 4 жыл бұрын
@@EvanYou Josiah is insanely talented. A really awesome guy too.
@maynardvargas6898 4 жыл бұрын
Uhm. Each person on this reply helped me in some way. Thanks guys! Inspiring work. Haha.
@ThunderDraws 4 жыл бұрын
lmao this comment chain is great - I’m not even a web developer but this is super funny haha
@transglukator 3 жыл бұрын
I can't stress enough how much respect I have for Evan. His work literally changed my life. I've been working with Vue since v1 and now we are a couple of weeks away from v3 and for all this years it was nothing but pleasure to build things with Vue.
@TheJacklwilliams 2 жыл бұрын
It is an absolutely incredible moment when you recognize the impact of a thing such as this. Throughout my career I can look back at defining moments and people that made those moments and truly they are the best memories of my life. Right up there with the personal moments as well. In fact, I'd say they manage to blur the lines between the two.
@texrx 4 жыл бұрын
I never thought I'd be mesmerized by a documentary about code. Evan's story is truly inspiring. I've fallen in love with code all over again,.
@radekjestrabik8507 3 жыл бұрын
"My office is in fact way up there, on the 16th floor. It has some pretty amazing VUEs" :DD
@yun115242 2 жыл бұрын
I want to thank this guy for giving me a job.
@xiaoxiaowu8660 2 жыл бұрын
He make program become easy
@cedricvillani8502 2 жыл бұрын
He make Snu Snu with xiaoxiao wu face hole.
@lukewatts2022 Жыл бұрын
I love how Vue and Laravel found each other, like an unlikely love story with a meet-cute and everything 😍
@liamw.7937 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, after having worked with both React and Angular, Vue is just the way to go for me and my team. Fairly simple, well structured and organized, the documentation doubles as a perfectly clear tutorial, and the CLI is impressively powerful. Go Vue!
@mikgol81 Жыл бұрын
As a full stack dev I've just started learning vue js the last couple of months... I loved how you can create standalone components with just the CDN, so chose vue to update an existing jQuery only app. It's fantastic! So easy and powerful. I had no idea it was started by this one guy, what a legend! Super inspirational documentary, I'll keep working on my app until I can quit my 9-5 as well (with the help of vue)
@daniel_by Жыл бұрын
Were you able to finish the app?
@joelcipriano1985 4 жыл бұрын
"You don't have to dress like Tom Dale."
@alexeylysenko7380 4 жыл бұрын
Ahaha))
@ezwalduzumaki3161 4 жыл бұрын
hahah that one was good tbh
@LucTemetNosce 4 жыл бұрын
Suits look sharp tho 😎
@swyxTV 4 жыл бұрын
but Tom makes dev look good 💼
@ramonsena7466 4 жыл бұрын
That one was really good! hahah
@serhiicho 4 жыл бұрын
10:05 I like this tweet part. This documentary is so well done, thanks to Honeypot for this awesome video. It's really inspiring. Laravel doc would be amazing at this point.
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Laravel doc would be amazing! 😉
@theamitkadam1 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio Should we wait for Laravel Documentry then ? :-)
@arunabraham9382 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio Care for Zend and Symfony, which became the backbone of Laravel and other modern frameworks. Also its best to look the future of PHP developers (Component based application with PSR standards, PHP-FIG, instead of traditional MVC which makes apps lighter and scalable). www.oreilly.com/library/view/modern-php/9781491905173/ch04.html PHP7 and Performance Niche projects but promising like (ReactPHP, Swoole) etc Please make this possible its my humble request. PHP is not the same as before. Besides i dont know if its good or not Zend project is in transition phase now backed by Laminas. Love and respect for Vue Community
@jonathanzarate7255 4 жыл бұрын
Please the documentary Laravel
@serhiicho 4 жыл бұрын
@@arunabraham9382 Totally agree man, but Laravel is more enjoyable to use, this is the main reason why I would go with it. But it just my opinion, and I agree with you
@fadypy Жыл бұрын
This is my first documentary on this channel and definitely not the last. Thank you for the amazing storytelling and production
@melodic-mind 5 ай бұрын
I admire Evan, been following him for over 5 years and actually my first job was with Vue. It was a breeze to learn and work with and i loved every second of it. I then worked with React in a big corporation for over 4 years, and I have to say that it's different worlds in terms of DX and the framework API's... Today Melodic Mind uses Vue 3 and Nuxt under the hood to power all of it's apps and websites, and I hope to give back to the world of open source when I have that luxury! Awesome documentary, and i can't wait to see the future of Vue, Nuxt and open source in other fields as well.
@Electricity0 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't happen often that I watch a documentary all the way till the end without skipping or without thinking that it's boring. This piece is so delightful to watch. Thank you Josiah, thank you Evan.
@arungeorge4524 4 жыл бұрын
Vue was like "Love at first sight" :) Thank you Evan and the core team behind it.
@SilverishKitten 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. it just feels like a soft pillow and blanket you can wrap yourself in while you're coding
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
We have more untold dev stories over at: bit.ly/33vwhpF
@nabeelparkar4364 4 жыл бұрын
I love what you guys do, but the website is hurting my eyes yo!
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
@@nabeelparkar4364 hurts so good, right?
@nabeelparkar4364 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio lol not really good. Thank god i dont have epilepsy
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
@@nabeelparkar4364 😔 *press F to pay respects to Nabeel's sore eyes 🙏
@nabeelparkar4364 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio F 😭
@cesaralvarez9436 3 жыл бұрын
I'm about to start my final degree project and I chose to use Vue, after watching this video I'm happy I did. The true underdog of software, thank you Evan.
@ijohnnymiller 4 жыл бұрын
Love this "Vue.js: The Documentary" and thank Evan You (尤雨溪) who makes my life easier. 💛
@Napernik 4 жыл бұрын
Well done, it is so rare to see some good documentary films dedicated to software developers. Mostly of what we get just TED-like presentations, sprinkled with a bit of humor.
@BenRangel 3 жыл бұрын
What a humble creator. Great inspiration for any coder doing a side project
@kevinpatel5106 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was really inspiring. It's so incredible to see one take their passion to another level.
@syntaxfm 4 жыл бұрын
Honeypot is the best!
@Hannah-ly6ff 3 жыл бұрын
sure!
@jhoanrivero7885 3 жыл бұрын
awesome!
@vinade2100 3 жыл бұрын
they should do a documentory about Syntax and theirs listeners... well its gonna happen anyday, anyway! Get ready el torro (-linski) loco
@cedricvillani8502 2 жыл бұрын
@@vinade2100 Honeypot make happy good fun time!
@cedricvillani8502 2 жыл бұрын
PROVE IT
@Campbellb 4 жыл бұрын
Digging these documentaries. Keep them coming!
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Some massive projects are in the works this year. Keep an eye out!
@jackappleby Жыл бұрын
These documentaries have convinced me that my hunch was right. JS frameworks are built on people jumping on bandwagons. Very useful, thank you!
@lolxdgl 4 жыл бұрын
Guys keep doing this kind of documentaries! I work as a frontend react developer and this motivates me to keep learning new technologies!
@munirap1505 4 жыл бұрын
What's a great documentary, imagine just a few nerdy guys in one team can compete with Monster like Facebook and Google? I wanna say VueJs is the spirit of Open Source Project, thank you Honeypot to bring this
@eboubaker3722 3 жыл бұрын
we need more developer documentaries like these 💚
@user-fn5kh3zx3i 7 ай бұрын
Yeah...they are really motivating
@JohnMcCullough97 4 жыл бұрын
As a Angular.js, Angular 2, and React developer, started my first Vuejs project earlier this month. Honestly, blown away by its simplicity. Excited to learn more. Thank You Evan You. LOL!
@Sandiprb 4 жыл бұрын
A big Thank you to Evan, Sarah and the entire team for making out lives easier and giving everyone the power to be able to create great products. It's so great to see all of these heroes expressing themselves, whome otherwise we have just see keeping up with community on issues and forums.
@ahnmebnsina381 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I like so much Evan You, such a humble person .
@FRONTRUS 3 жыл бұрын
*Covid-19* : Making Programmers Since 2020 🎓
@aaron4278 4 жыл бұрын
the quality of this documentary is top notch! I've never seen any like this ever since
@ranked6432 4 жыл бұрын
@Honeypot , what about "Laravel : The Documentary" ?
@chaipaskoa 4 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, i’m waiting for it ! :D
@ranked6432 4 жыл бұрын
@@chaipaskoa hope they'll do it
@kael7953 4 жыл бұрын
You mean "The rise and fall of PHP: A Documentary"
@joejohn. 4 жыл бұрын
@@kael7953 fall and rise* maybe
@orphikk 4 жыл бұрын
Up!! They sure most make it the standards are real!
@ahmedidnasser401 4 жыл бұрын
Well done Honeypot, well done.
@0xBerto 4 жыл бұрын
I cant believe I am just now finding this channel. Amazing story, filming, editing. bravo
@OverSeasMedia 4 жыл бұрын
The quality of this documentary is absolutely astonishing. Thank you so much for this, also Thanks to Evan for Vue.
@qrouth7160 4 жыл бұрын
Being a non-coder. I find this video really interesting. Thank you!
@RodrigoSantos-yc3ii 4 жыл бұрын
I want his VUE JS shirt...
@The-Cat 4 жыл бұрын
@@JavaScriptRoom Rodrigo actually meant he wanted to see the guys nipples. Don't worry if you didnt catch on to it... Rodrigo Santos is known to be a sneaky lil fella on xhamster
@akashchoudhary8162 4 жыл бұрын
@@The-Cat WTF😂😂😂
@Kempriol 4 жыл бұрын
@The-Cat 4 жыл бұрын
@@akashchoudhary8162 I dont even remember that comment I made 😄😄😄😄
@chrisray9653 4 жыл бұрын
I love JS frameworks dude, they make you expunge everything you thought you knew about coding every six months. Really keeps you on your toes.
@tecnoPTY 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you Evan for making my life as Developer easier... And yes I feel identified when they said a lot of Angular 1 users felt the difference when jumping to version 2 ... And then you had React with new concepts and then OMG I found Vuejs I added the CDN url on a very simple HTML page and started programming with Vue in a few seconds ... NO heavy webpack, etc lifting like React ... Just a simple Javascript CDN url and thats it I never jumped to React or switched to Angular 2,3,4 etc after finding Vuejs .. 4 years ago ...
@andrewkibor9581 4 жыл бұрын
I normally hate fronted development but ever since I gave Vue a try, I gotta admit, it's kind of fun. Big up to Evan, the core team and all the other supporting developers.
@KAGarcia 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, there is actually someone making cinema for developers! Thanks!
@christopher7540 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for all of the members of vuejs team for making such a great framework.very inspirational btw thanks for honeypot also
@arsaurabh6044 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought I would love a documentary about a framework so much. I have just started learning vue. And this video really inspired me about community, open-source, vision, collaboration..So much good stuff. Very good video.
@Honeypotio 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much and good luck on your journey with vue! 🙌
@ajzack983 Жыл бұрын
The people's framework 💪❤️
@user-nf8vn1yt7d 4 жыл бұрын
看完了，使用 Vue.js 4年了，真是伟大的作品！
@kennygkennyg4685 3 жыл бұрын
来，你讲讲，多伟大
@cat-.- 2 ай бұрын
@@kennygkennyg4685有这么伟大👐
@Vancha112 3 жыл бұрын
Even now it still feels like vue is simple enough to pick up quickly, but has all the features 99% of peoppe need. Really impressed by it and I hope to be using it more often!
@nyobangoding5388 4 жыл бұрын
this video is just amazing! thank you, Evan, for the inspiration.
@chrisbishop8853 4 жыл бұрын
Love these Docs! Always so hyped to watch them as they come out
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Get Hyped!!
@noorkhorasi 4 жыл бұрын
This is freely available on youtube just amazes me. Of course we developers are also about innovation and open source and not just money.
@seanjang1218 4 жыл бұрын
第一次接触Vue还是三个月前，而这短短三个月以来Vue让我的生活感到翻天覆地。我由此下定决心成为一名前端工程师。现在疫情期间上着网课，老师也在教授着Vue这个框架，讲起尤雨溪传奇般的经历。I just want to say thank you for making people's life a lot easier!
@heyheythecat 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't skip a second watching this documentary. I don't do any web development however this made me starts to explore, now.
@mohammedelamin1563 4 жыл бұрын
Wow thnx 4 that ❤️ Laravel: the documentary, can't wait
@ninadsubba5365 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, every documentary is of the highest quality. Amazing, can't wait for the next one!
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! We're already in production for the next documentary 😉
@gangwang9641 11 ай бұрын
@@Honeypotio thank you, it's very cool
@wangyangyu4033 Жыл бұрын
接触的第一个前端框架，非常好用，感谢开源，感谢所有开发者😃
@nunoduarte4146 3 жыл бұрын
this is actually really good. thank you for this. the beginning china scene was sick, great editing skills.
@hesbornongwae6920 4 жыл бұрын
Been checking time in Berlin for countless times to get here when this was to be released 😅
@imsergiohere 4 жыл бұрын
"The gap of simplicity that Angular 1 had." Laptop full of stickers from a lot of technologies.
@naneri 4 жыл бұрын
Actually angular 1 seemed much more complicated then vue, but then angular 2 was just a monster with those typescript examples
@senpaiyaa 3 жыл бұрын
His really passionate working with the Vue framework and we're really lucky we got people like Evan contributing to open-source. I really learned a lot from his works.
@MacarioMartins 4 жыл бұрын
This is not only a documentary by itself. Actually it is an inspirational video to refresh developers' self believes.
@user-vq6pe5px9k 4 жыл бұрын
Such a quality content, keep going. Would love to see documentaries on laravel.
@cedricngoran7045 4 жыл бұрын
This documentary is gold. Love the production. It is so inspiring.
@AllanLeonardJr 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, quality of this video was phenomenal. I've gone from Ember.js -> Meteor.js -> Angular 1 & 2 -> React.js. Now, I'm really looking forward to diving into Vue.js!!!
@gnumanoj Жыл бұрын
I am watching this just before the release of React documentary... Funny thing Vue JS is the one which puahed me into front end world! And here I am doing react and angular for job. 🥴 Thank to Vue JS team! All the best 👍🏽
@scottyzen88 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant documentary. Looking forward to the next one already
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
What would you like to see the next documentary about?
@LenartMlinar 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio Laravel would make sense :) I really enjoyed the documentary! Thanks Honeypot!
@johnfedoruk 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio Angular.
@sharon8659 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio I would like to see nuxtjs documentary
@PhilippeKalitine 4 жыл бұрын
@@Honeypotio I would like to see a documentary about NodeJS!
@clintonnzedimma7501 4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this. It’s beautiful. Where my Vuelings at?
@MrUGOTpwNEDbyme 4 жыл бұрын
Right here bro
@shirleysun3539 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so moved by this excellent documentary especially when other developers talking about Vue's impact on them and the whole market. It's the power and spirit of open source, which connects people and lits the light of creation.
@jitendravairagi2041 4 жыл бұрын
I always look back and smile that I chose Vue over Angular. In love with it since first day. Thankyou Evan 😍
@leewen6833 4 жыл бұрын
After compared with React and Angular, I picked vue for the whole team to use. It's quite easy to lean and use. It's amazing. I'm also considering contribute to the source code project.
@iiaaannnn 4 жыл бұрын
I tested Vue and React on my small scale project and using Vue was just pure ease and happiness. Really hope Vue gets more attention and can be used wider, also hope there will be more Vue jobs so I don't need to learn React just to get more pay.
@joshuawdeveloper4844 Жыл бұрын
React sucks...logically things should not be done as React does it. ALSO it mixes two styles of coding togther.
@HerveLeDucOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
I really like Evan. Beyond all he has create, this guy is generous and 10000% open-minded. Thx for this documentary, @Honeypot! Nice job!
@MohamedAli-dx2fp 4 жыл бұрын
The KZfaq algortithm finally brought me to the type of chanels I always subscribe to. Thanks to all those involved in this great work.
@laurencetrippen6804 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks for the awesome documentary. A documentary about Node.js and Ryan Dahl would be super interesting.
@moch.nafkhanalzamzami4840 4 жыл бұрын
Now I'm waiting for Svelte: The Documentary
@greatred2558 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to all the contributors, I recently got into vue and was interested in the story behind it. love it even more now
@felipeacunagonzalez4844 Жыл бұрын
I totally love Vue, I literally learned by just watching other people's code, it's so easy. I loved it from the beginning.
@calebclawrence 4 жыл бұрын
these docs are amazing.
@mohamedalhoony 4 жыл бұрын
"Evan You" can do it!
@cheesetouched 4 жыл бұрын
abbe cool
@davidstefan2458 2 жыл бұрын
Let me say it myself: thank you, Evan, for making this thing that just made my life so much easier.
@RobertHewitt 2 жыл бұрын
Really in-depth history of Vue, really well presented and expressed. I loved the story from your point of view and how you stuck with the idea through your early years.
@SamKaranjas 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted this to go on an on.... Great Documentary based on a great project by great people.
@JadaKingdom971 4 жыл бұрын
Vue is really amazing. I code with Python and when creating Django websites, I was looking for something simple and easy to implement to make them reactive. Vue just blends perfectly without any heavy wiring and learning curve and dirty syntax of Javascript
@syuo5051 Жыл бұрын
Hello, what about the React? I'm starting learn it. Is it reactive tool too? or I need learn Vue for Python to make projects more easier and faster?
@JadaKingdom971 Жыл бұрын
@@syuo5051 Also vue has official KZfaq tutorials that you can use and interractive ones to work with to. So I really believe that the Vue ecosysteme is a lot more friendlier hence making it one of the fastest to learn and master.
@Huy-ed2re 4 жыл бұрын
The crew who shot and edited this film could start their own film company! Amazing production quality!!! : )
@JeanvanWyngaardt 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing documentary, and quite an eye opener for me. I had no idea how Vue.js started, and the passion behind it. Evan is my new hero.
@edysegura 4 жыл бұрын
I loved this documentary, it really touched my heart!!
@ftnsco 4 жыл бұрын
Thorsten is really awesome, his help has been amazing in the community.
@FelipeGarcia-tt4ch 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to know how it all started. Thanks, Evan. You a beast. And the director of the documentary: you are more than a genius, you hear me?
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
I hear you! ;)
@ibrahims5457 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously...The content quality here is next level.
@arsalanshaikh3763 4 жыл бұрын
Honey pot your documentaries are very well made great work team love from India.
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! Love from Germany
@reymartcanuel7151 4 жыл бұрын
"Maybe I can work on a framework of my own."
@hugomejia7826 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, is nice to see the personal history behind this great framework! The video production and music is fantastic, thanks for doing this!!
@sundayylmao 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness, I was not expecting my man Scott Tolinski. Interview choices were AMAZING! Well done with the directing! You really encapsulated that history perfectly! :) I watched Vue grow into the amazing framework it is today - so this is a perfect trip down memory lane!
@Honeypotio 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers man! Glad you liked it
@jdgaravito3 4 жыл бұрын
Do svelte.js: The documentary !!
@volttideify 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried Vue yet and I'm a React hardcore (sometimes I used Angular or Svelte), but watching this documentary really makes me curious with this tech.
@daksmemes7428 4 жыл бұрын
try it if you have time. its amazing
@thomasfindlay2034 4 жыл бұрын
Try it and you won't regret it
@calimio6 4 жыл бұрын
You are gonna love it
@vagyokvalaki7264 4 жыл бұрын
I have been using React for 3 years and Vue for a few months in production. I think as a React developer you won't find anything particularly interesting about Vue. It has all the same parts and concepts (components, reactivity, lifecycles) plus ecosystem included (redux counterpart Vuex, CSS-in-JS baked in) but some additional ugly things like watchers, Angular.js style. In any non trivial projects you will have a build step to transpile ES2050 to ES5, and to create a production build, so no advantage in that regard, same if you use typescript for both like me. I think in general Vue is less idiomatic in terms of internal consistency with the frameworks own concepts and generally lagging behind in ideas and vision compared to others. An example is with React.Lazy for a while, or the coming async rendering using Fiber. I also think Vue is less declarative than React in means of "the UI is only a function of the state". It's more like a copycat of all the ideas they liked from elsewhere. It's nice and stuff, but if you know React it won't teach you anything fundamentally different.
@jackmaison4209 4 жыл бұрын
React all the way. However, when I need SSR I just use Nuxt. Simple life.
@axiom66 4 жыл бұрын
A great down to earth documentary that reveals that Evan You and Vue.js have tapped into the essence of open source.
@ssygon2 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Evan for making the complicated simple to use to achieve the same result...
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