Horus Heresy SHATTERED LEGIONS Army Guide | Warhammer Age of Darkness

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3 ай бұрын

Are your games of Horus Heresy just NOT COMPLICATED ENOUGH? Want to build an army to completely erode any goodwill your opponent ever had towards you while spending ages re-checking rules combinations? Well, looks like the Shattered Legions are the army for you!
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@talscorner3696 3 ай бұрын

I *love* the Iron Warriors flaw xD "Aight, old chaps, Perturabo's not here, so have fun!" *massive amounts of DAKKA ensue*

@talscorner3696 3 ай бұрын

And the Alpha Legion's, too

@jhavent1 3 ай бұрын

The Alpha Legion flaw is so spot on. It's basically 'surprise! We were actually all Alpha Legion all the time! Hydra Dominatus!'

@GooglyEyedSkull 2 ай бұрын

🐍🐍🐍

@adamjozsa3980 2 ай бұрын

I almost fell out of my chair when you said it was recalculated per phase

@plaguesnstuff7657 3 ай бұрын

I really want an army centred on traitors from loyalist legions. We know they existed and there really should be more lore and even rules for them.

@SimonClark 3 ай бұрын

Ian it's really not an exaggeration to say that you make my day when you release a video like this. Thank you for making them!

@user-fg6dj1uz8b 3 ай бұрын

Now waiting for blackshields

@Zabzim 2 ай бұрын

Well they have hands down the better rules. Some of them are quite busted although you can only take 2 so the killa combination sadly can’t be used. Apparently their overall flaw is that they’re both traitor and loyalist and so other legions don’t like them as much. But that not really a downside when you have rules like “only in death does duty end” which gives them the whole demon leadership where they auto pass leadership checks but take 3D wounds instead (also they’re not worth kill points) and clones which give the usual crappy feel no pain, -1 to initiative and leadership but more importantly makes them immune to pinning so you can take massive 20 man blocks of troops safe in the knowledge the enemy can’t do shitting leadership shenanigans because you’re straight up immune!

@dankirk25 3 ай бұрын

I have to admit that I am kinda warming to the Shattered Legions rules. The rules are still clunky but these do feel pretty flavourful. With practice, cheat sheets and sensible choices, this could possibly work in event play.

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

I don’t see it. Seems like far more work and constant note taking throughout the game.

@dankirk25 3 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaos Definitely, if you push the system to the limits. 3 legion choices, Greyshields, 3 legions in one unit, that kind of thing. It's easy to see how the paperwork make it unwieldy, I don't dispute that. I'm simply saying that with the aforementioned stipulations, I could see how it might just work. Didn't say it was perfect. Didn't even say the rules were good, I'm just warming to them.

@Zabzim 2 ай бұрын

@@dankirk25 but why the hell would you trouble yourself with all the messy rules when the blackshield rules are just a straight upgrade on the shattered legions?

@dankirk25 2 ай бұрын

@@Zabzim I suppose if I deigned to play at an event, it would be a challenge and a near-unique experience for my opponents and I. The lists both play very differently from each other and the core list. The fluidity with which a unit's role can change under the Shattered Legions rules can make even decisions regarding casualties a tactical consideration. Am I planning on doing so? No. Am I saying that it would be a purely good experience? No. I'm simply saying that the list does offer something unlike anything else in 30k.

@Zabzim 2 ай бұрын

@@dankirk25 Well you would also loose pretty quickly. As the blackshield rules that are in the book are in my mind a 100 times better as they do something you rarely get in Horus Heresy and that’s customisation. Like I don’t like moral checks, so my blackshields simply don’t take them.

@andrewjohnson8704 3 ай бұрын

For mine, I plan on making little tokens to show Majority/Minority. I quite like these rules though! They seem really fun, and tell a great story on the table.

@jaycepentad9535 3 ай бұрын

Yeah while I think it's possible to ramp up the complexity and get ridiculous, you can also set yourself up very reasonably with smart list building and some prep like a cheat sheet and tokens. It's not as if you /have/ to flip flop what abilities your units have, after all. Just remove them in a balanced way down to the last couple of models.

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

@@jaycepentad9535 With five or so squads, tracking their numbers for each in a 2k point game? Yuck, no thanks.

@pbnjgoodness 3 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaos You're already doing that in a sense for morale, with reminders like tokens it doesn't add too much work I feel like. I'm gonna stick to my stock legion personally but I don't feel like it's as complicated as some people perceive given the context of the game.

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

@@pbnjgoodness Morale doesn’t depend on which colour models I remove from the unit.

@blastvader 2 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaosagreed. Having read the rules for it they're just...bad. Feels like it was someone's baby and they were going to push their (poorly concieved) idea through, come hell or high water, when the poor deformed thing should have been left in the wilds for the wolves. The fact that some of the flaws can straight up break certain units (Nightlords single-model units like a lone character or a dread NOT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE would be an obvious one) and the PER-FUCKING-PHASE requirement to check and apply Majority/Minority traits is a load of unnecessary bullshit I'm not sure anyone needs in their life. Not even a swing and a miss, just a straight up failure of rules writing.

@normtrooper4392 3 ай бұрын

Really interested in horus heresy content. It seems so much more fleshed out from a perspective of lore and setting.

@2P4E 3 ай бұрын

This is possibly true now, which is fun in contrast to the 25 years where it was the least fleshed out part.

@2P4E 3 ай бұрын

Slaanesh in general remains the most felched out from a perspective of lore and setting, of course.

@strigoi_guhlqueen8355 3 ай бұрын

I love your Horus Heresy army guides. It got me to play Daemons of the ruinstorm.

@Powoga 3 ай бұрын

If I understood this correctly, you could make a unit that consists of one model from one legion, two models from another legion, and the rest of the models belong to no specific legion. Which seems odd, and might work well with the Alpha Legion's flaw.

@mikemarcotte5962 2 ай бұрын

That Alpha Legion flaw is chef's kiss!😄

@johnnybigbones4955 3 ай бұрын

Shattered Legions vs Shattered Legions games would be crazy.

@CrimsonTemplar2 3 ай бұрын

That is definitely not a route to go for new players, but is a fun option if you’ve got a couple of small legion armies to mash together. That Alpha Legion trait is so on-brand.

@mariottbunbury1985 3 ай бұрын

YAY NEW IAN VIDEO

@jacobturnerart 3 ай бұрын

Narratively I think it'd be just as good for traits to stick despite the changing unit roster within units - it would show that certain Astartes had adopted traits from their new comrades through battle.

@davydatwood3158 3 ай бұрын

From a game play perspective, I see how this all fits together and - assuming one is comfortable with the complexity, which will vary from person to person - seems like it would work fairly well. From a "does this make any kind of sense in real military terms" perspective, this is suffereing from 40K and HH's teeny tiny scale. I feel like most "shattered Legions" forces in the actual war would have been groups of platoons and companies banding together to form a larger force - and those groups would probably not have stopped and said "okay, let's mix-and-match all our troops." Much more likely, in my opinion, is that a Shattered Legion would have attempted to preserve its component subunits as much as possible. I can bend my brain around a scratch force that ended up with two or three Legions' units being grouped up into a company, but the platoons would have probably remained heterogenous; and while I could imagine a pair of understrength platoons being deployed together as a single platoon-strength fore, the individual squads would still be made of the people they were used to fighting with. I suppose one can create a backstory of smal groups of indivuduals banding together after the Istvan massacre or some similar catastrophe, and then being used to working together by the time the found more such groups, but this would be very rare I think. So, in short: I like the rules but the fluff doesn't fit for me.

@ArbitorIan 3 ай бұрын

Bear in mind that most forces on the table are barely a real life platoon. 40-50 people. In that situation the regrouping is more to do with equipment. If you have two raven guard terminators and three iron hands ones they're more effective as a squad than as individuals. Same for heavy weapon troopers, etc.

@Yacovo 2 ай бұрын

A triple legion squad might have some good benefits. If you start with a good shooting legion as the inital majority, then have the middle legion good at charging or melee. The squad starts having good shooting rolls, but when damaged by a close by enemy, they switch into melee mode and charge the enemy to butcher them. All while keeping the minority's consistently good perk and flaw with a couple of guys in the back of the squad. Thanks for the video.

@Retrosicotte 3 ай бұрын

That mutable tactics rule changing across the game is so freaking COOL. So imaginative, this is why I love HH2.0, you'd never get that sort of rich, flavourful rule in 10th ed 40k.

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

It’s also completely unplayable at 2k points.

@Retrosicotte 3 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaos Not really.

@SleepySoviet 3 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaosbro you’re on like every comment in this video whining about basic bookkeeping. It’s not that bad. It’s more complex than basic 30k, but the book expressly states in the SL section that it’s intended for people very familiar in the game who’d like the extra depth. If it’s not for you just play something else

@alvaropombo1192 3 ай бұрын

Unrelated, but I really love checking my name in the patrons list cause every time it's different: sometimes it's a blank space, sometimes the first letter is missing, sometimes the first letter is a ?, sometimes it is an A and sometimes an Á... it's always funny to check 😂

@fisherguy45 3 ай бұрын

I don't play the game or read the books, but I love hearing your lore and game summaries. Please keep up the great work.

@Traven158 2 ай бұрын

It looks like proper preparation can streamline a ton: -pick only two Legions -write down both sets of combinations -have some marker or token for which combination is active

@davidmesh5491 Ай бұрын

Might do a more fluffy list with Shadrak Meduson leading it with Iron Hands Salamanders, and Raven Guard.

@WozWozEre 2 ай бұрын

From a total novices perspective the page moving at 2:12 is interesting. I always assumed you panned over a still image, not take a smooth panning video. Cool.

@merci_ann 3 ай бұрын

I've read goonhammers review of the book and it made the shattered legions thing seem completely unplayable but the way you explained it it's not that bad??? Sure you have quite a few special rules more but with few tokens to help with memory and clearly designated models of different origins (2 is clearly optimal)... I'm not saying I'm going to try it but it doesn't seem all that bad! It's certainly interesting way to play even if complicated and I think I respect that

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

2k games of Heresy are already extremely complex, adding a heap of complexity for what should be the simplest models in the list does not help matters.

@SleepySoviet 3 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t take goonhammer’s word on anything these days. They’re incapable of understanding anything but 40K

@volkarve 2 ай бұрын

I always felt that Heresy players care more about lore than 40k. So the flavor of the shattered forces appeals directly to that. As always great video!

@larrywagner1432 2 ай бұрын

This is so super fun and narrative! Love it.

@Upyours99xs 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate the visuals in your videos. Definitely helps me understand the concept of the rules.

@Character_Building89 3 ай бұрын

Perfect! I've already started my Istvaan survivor's. Massive help as always.

@volcano3493 3 ай бұрын

Preparation is key here: Take a piece of paper and write down all rule combination that may end up in a game. Done! It´s very easy and not complicated at all. Then colour code the combination and put a token linked to those variations next to each squad. This is really not rocket science territory.

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

You need to do this for between fifty and eighty marines broken up into between four and eight squads depending on most lists. People who keep saying that it’s easy are talking about it like it’s one squad. You need to track EVERY squad at all times, and the fluctuations mean that you’re always double checking numbers. It’s not always going to be a case where one or two models are removed and you can remove them all evenly, you have to mark every squad constantly and track if it gains or loses a specific majority. No other army requires you to track that sort of thing for every one of your infantry units.

@Ryan30z 3 ай бұрын

Complicated is relative, and relatively speaking this is complex compared to most other things in the game.

@GaryKeenan 3 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaosyep, and this army will be fairly infantry heavy because no one will want transports.

@volcano3493 2 ай бұрын

@@ImrahilToChaos So? How many squads are we talking about? Maybe four. Easy as a walk in the park.

@WarmasterPainting 3 ай бұрын

Great breakdown, thank you.

@henrymaliphant4152 3 ай бұрын

Im looking forward to seeing what absolutely broken combos will come out of the minor/major rules, i can feel some absolute minmaxing will be afoot

@Traven158 2 ай бұрын

One I see right now is Night Lords majority and Sons of Horus minority: Always +1 to hit.

@TheMrFishnDucks 2 ай бұрын

Great video. You're correct about the spreadsheets being needed. The Major, Minor and Flaw is a fantastic idea. Keep up the good work.

@TimJohniLL 2 ай бұрын

Just recently found your channel after years of 40k lore love. I am glad I did. Cheers from across the pond… as it were

@roccoraspanti5742 3 ай бұрын

I honestly have no idea in how these rules translate to the table, but for sure they sound a lot of fun

@earnestwanderer2471 3 ай бұрын

Love this.

@medrengardianbluntrotater 4 күн бұрын

I feel like how you pointed out with the WS specifically, the flaw should come from the majority.

@GreasusGoldtooth 2 ай бұрын

I really want to make a combined Ultramarines and Word Bearers force now. The ultimate heresy for both sides.

@Themoonlightwolf1 3 ай бұрын

I like how characterful these rules are, can't wait to find out if the blackshields rules are similarly thematic.

@Rohnon 16 күн бұрын

I feel like a simple homebrew simplification would be to choose one major trait from one legion and one minor+flaw from another one and be done with it. Might defeat the point for some people, but for me it would be more enjoyable this way.

@Nibelheim1989 2 ай бұрын

As someone who doesn't own any HH yet, they're tempting.

@M0U53B41T 3 ай бұрын

Really happy my Shattered Legion Istvaan III force will be a thing again!

@nosbigdamus9665 2 ай бұрын

I actually like this Idea

@mojotheaverage 2 ай бұрын

I really like this list. Don't get me wrong, the older edition list was fun where you could basically take any unit you wanted from the legions you chose, but it was obviously too powerful and didn't really feel like the shattered legions from the lore. This list is so thematic and really feels like the army is a collection of survivors from disparate armies

@richardnicholas8721 2 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to using these rules for a defenders at the siege of terra army. Imperial fists, blood angels and white scars to hold back the traitors

@gran9968 3 ай бұрын

Can't wait for the Blackshields video

@CryoPanda 2 ай бұрын

I absolutely love this idea because it gives me a reason to build a mixed unit of space marines and have that be something I can justify if I wanted to play the actual game.

@martynjones3978 2 ай бұрын

Some one should suggest the acronym “K.I.S.S” to the rule makers at GW lol!! The shattered Legions was one of my interests, i have not had the chance to learn the game yet so maybe i will stick to Blood Angels… unless Ian makes some great videos on how to play these crazy complicated rules.. please?? 😊😂😂

@mennorach 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for explaining the rules. I'm going to throw this video at the people who ask about the Shattered Legions rules. One funny idea I got from these is to loan and borrow half of my heresy collection to a friend and then we both can go to an event with a Shattered legion force :) Could be funny.

@philipkelly7369 Ай бұрын

My impression of these rules is that they are, in a single word, horrific

@danielhenderson4795 2 ай бұрын

Hm. When I first heard they were finally bringing back Shattered Legions, I was rather pleased! But by the time this came out, I have learned that Allying in other Legions is practically free and thus having a mixed force is not that hard and much simpler. But I do appreciate how flavorful this is. This is definitely pushing towards an extreme on the "Crunchy old school war game" feel, feeling more like the book keeping in Necromunda or Mordheim. Which means it certainly can work, but yeah, will need some...prep time. I can see the appeal, though I find it funny that simply just allying in a few legions is much more straight forward. Guess you just have to balance what you want with what you are willing to put up with! But I do look forward to seeing these wild armies on the table, at least from a hobby perspective.

@Red2Productions 2 ай бұрын

My favorite has to be the lone Night Lords dreadnaught that can’t charge anyone!

@ArbitorIan 2 ай бұрын

You have to shoot a few guys first and then he's ok with risking it!

@captainparty 2 ай бұрын

I imagine these will work a lot better in smaller games, I can’t imagine the hassle of dealing with a 3000 point game!

@ianshannon5789 3 ай бұрын

Please do a video on Blackshields next.

@adm2275 3 ай бұрын

I’d love to do loyalist group of Thousand Sons and Space Wolves just for the hell of it

@brianwalsh1339 3 ай бұрын

Alternative idea: just play Blackshields instead.

@ImrahilToChaos 3 ай бұрын

Seconded.

@cactusproductions6531 2 ай бұрын

One day I’d like to get into Horus Heresy….

@london_TC 3 ай бұрын

... there is only confusion

@blessedpeas 2 ай бұрын

There's some book-keeping but it isn't unreasonable, and certainly not any worse than flicking through 3+ tomes. As someone who has loved and has a shattered legions collection, losing the ability to take legion-specific units, gear and rules is the tough bit for me. I know why it has been done as every unit has to have a mix of every legion included in your army, but boy does it cut out a lot of the fun stuff. Line Veterans is decent but that's just a subpar version of the pride of the legion rite of war. Too much has been taken away in return for admin. I'm minded to just take a legion and an allied legion using the normal force org

@jakemarzano2298 3 ай бұрын

Blackshields next?

@_foldr 2 ай бұрын

I wanted to make an Itsvaan V themed ZM guerrilla fighters force with SL and RG. Can’t have allies in ZM. Then, this rules are an overcomplicated mess. Conclusion: I’m making traitor Salamanders

@benkai09 2 ай бұрын

Just a note. Night lord dreadnoughts cannot charge so avoid those

@wonderfred 3 ай бұрын

So for shattered legions one of the non-shsttered legions gets a character. Tight.

@davefogle7747 3 ай бұрын

LOUD NOISES !!!! cannot wait for the pinj and black Attack !

@Ragnarok2504 3 ай бұрын

I really like these rules from a flavor point of view, but having to check every phase the majority and minorty seems exhaustive. Would the army work better if the check happened at the beginning of every turn instead of every phase?

@bugsyseigel7592 2 ай бұрын

Are we gonna have a new video about the newest drama ?

@theravenslibrarian6655 2 ай бұрын

Any tabletop players: What is the best major/minor legion combination based on the rules?

@grahamroden8897 3 ай бұрын

These might work in a skirmish version of the game.

@Zabzim 2 ай бұрын

Black shields have the better rules

@GunmadMadman 3 ай бұрын

You sure its not the leaderless Iron Warriors, Ian? 😅 haha, callback humor.

@brionl4741 2 ай бұрын

Are you going to do a Blackshields video? Shattered Legions sounds way too complicated to do on a regular basis, Blackshields should be more practical to make a dedicated force for.

@Scufflegrit 3 ай бұрын

If High Gothic is spoken the same as Latin, Liber Astartes is actually pronounced “loo-bur ass-dur-deez.” The more you know.

@Ryan30z 3 ай бұрын

This isn't true considering we don't know how classic Latin was pronounced. Ecclesiastical Latin isn't the same thing.

@myrar8708 2 ай бұрын

special rules don't stack unless specifically stated

@darko-man8549 2 ай бұрын

They kinda stuffed up 2.0 Shattered Legion rules imo.

@oddly-coloredbear 3 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the marines that gw hates.

@adamvillari2638 3 ай бұрын

I'd just play a video game at this point... Its like going to a job to hobby.

@jasonfeiner 3 ай бұрын

Recent polls have shown that nearly half of the people who buy GW minis don't ever play a game, or play once per year. They just paint and/or collect armies for show. I have to believe that time investment and complexity have something to do with that.