Hot Rod Deluxe Repair sounds AMAZING!

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The Guitar Amp Tech

The Guitar Amp Tech

Күн бұрын

One of the most popular amps of the modern Fender era can sound a bit lifeless until it's given the attention that Fender cannot afford to do. In this video, you will see how significant improvements to reliability can be made as well as a sound you would be proud to own. You will see how to measure ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance) and why it is an important indicator of the health of electrolytic filter capacitors.
Replacing the plastic input jacks with metal Switchcraft jacks is a very worthwhile exercise.
Do you know why there are two current surges when you power up an amplifier? Watch and you will!
Index
00:00 Introduction
01:15 First listen
01:35 Lindy Fralin pickups
02:19 Our first look inside looks promising
03:00 The Burning resistors conundrum and options
06:14 Plastic input jacks! Really Fender?
06:30 Tip of the Day
07:50 The Illinois Capacitors that everyone loves to hate. Justified or not? How to measure ESR.
12:25 Desoldering tools and when to use what
14:10 How to remove components without damaging the Printed Circuit Board
16:44 Things I learned in the Royal Australian Navy as a young engineer
19:25 How to use dividers for new component installation
20:25 Replacing the plastic jack with Switchcraft metal sockets.
25:25 Replacing the problematic hi-wattage resistors: Method One
25:50 Temperature Testing the nylon “standoffs”
31:05 Why cleaning your Send and Return jacks is so important
34:25 How to improve on a poor Earth
37:44 When to use a bulb current limiter. Why does the current limiter glow twice?
39:00 Avoiding the Copyright Strike by using my own music. D’Oh.
40:32 Assessing and biasing the power tubes
45:45 Review of work done
47:48 The sound test. It sounds AMAZING!

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@nevillegoddard4966
@nevillegoddard4966 8 күн бұрын
Pretty thorough job Chris! You tried to think of all the potential problems with this amp. It's called 'preventative maintenance'. Good stuff! They used lacing twine in Telecom years ago too. They taught us 'lacing stitch', not 'self-undoing stitch', as they called them back then. To keep everything laced in, they'd make us lace in other lengths of the waxed nylon twine along the run to lace up the 'branches'. We'd have to tie a 'constrictor knot' at the beginning of the lacing run, so it would not come undone, being sort of slippery from the wax. They never called it a constrictor knot back then, but my searching has actually confirmed the name. Just TRY to undo a tightly tied constrictor knot! - Ya gotta cut through it! I've managed somehow (?) to have a coupla big rolls of that very same lacing twine here at home! Ssshhh! Amazing stuff; you can't tear it off like electrical tape! - You'll deeply cut yourself! I've laced up a few looms on gear I've built, & even split the twine into thinner halves on the narrower looms, as it can flatten out to almost 3mm wide, which looks overdone. - Still you can't break it though! Ya gotta cut it or melt it! While we're not talking about cable ties, & after you heat tested your threaded nylon standoffs to 360° or whatever it was, I was a little puzzled as to why you didn't just use a nylon cable tie around that pair of 5W resistors, instead of contact glue? You'd just done the proof-of-concept experiment! As far as component leads 'clinched over' on the copper side of the board before soldering, I think it's a good idea. Regardless if it's a pita to replace the component. It gives extra mechanical stability to the joint, as well as more surface area of the component's lead actually soldered. When I built a pcb, I always 'clinch' component leads, except I.C's & sometimes TO-220 power devices. For neatness, I try to bend as close to parallel to the board as possible, & at 45°or 315° to the edge, whichever is most suitable to not have clinched leads shorting on each other. It looks quite neat too, & less kinda 'random'. I do this in preference to bending ' back down towards the track' as you do. - But I get where you're coming from though! I guess in that way I sacrifice a little bit of longevity for neatness! - Just a little though, cos I've never ever had a fault in anything I built or repaired as a result of a dry joint! Yep, those big old 'soldapullit' solder suckers definitely do a good job mate! I've just gotta remember to 'reload' mine over my solder 'ashtray' (a sardine tin with a felt base & a bunch of splashed [ashed] solder in it for weight), as it can spray out little flakes of solder about! Actually Jaycar sells a beige version, & new teflon tips too! - or they used to. I gotta agree with you on the solder braid too. Way too easy to overheat & lift tracks of the board with it. I find it useful sometimes when replacing SMD's (which you said you don't do), when I tin the pad then to get the pad nice & flat again for the new part. I've gotta cut the used part of the braid off very often though, as one false move not melting all the solder in contact with the braid & board will also rip fricken tracks off! Grrr! I'm old school as far as flux goes though. I use the honey type paste stuff. The pens never seem to apply enough for my liking. I'd rather apply too much & just exhale while generating all the smoke, then clean up with an I.P.A. soaked toothbrush/rag afterwards. The lid of my flux was nearly always fricken glued to the mofo jar, cos the flux goes so sticky, so I now just place an oversized plastic lid on top of the jar, & the adhesion of the flux shit securely holds the lid on till I break the seal to use the stuff! That's a nice looking ESR tester you've got there - with variable test frequencies & all! - Noice! I built the 'Silicon Chip' ESR meter in the cheap-ass jiffy box with the two 7 segment 1/2" led displays & a pushbutton. But it works a treat! It measures down to .01 ohms, but at only one frequency, at which I'm not sure. Did you clean the valve sockets? I never saw you do that. Have you seen those tiny little 'bottlebrush' type cleaners you can get for cleaning your teeth? They're called 'Pickers', or that's the brand. You can getem from Coles, & even more sizes from chemists. They're ideal for cleaning valve-pin sockets, with a dash of I.P.A on them. I love your idea of using dividers to set up & bend capacitor leads! I'm gonna steal that one! Actually I just bought a coupla metal nail files from Coles this arvo for cleaning contacts, as you suggested. At $2.50 each I bought two! - Gotta be one of the cheapest tools on my bench! Very handy to clean up my polystyrene military model parts too! Sorry bout the rant. I've gotta get a life! Actually I've gotta get a job! Too young to retire yet really.
@rgbplumbinghilton
@rgbplumbinghilton Жыл бұрын
4 upgrades that can make these amps reliable for gigging is A hard wired jack Raised ceramic resistors All caps replaced with F&T Replaced zena diodes The amp will then last as long as any amp on the market. These are very good amps once upgraded. I did my first Deville in the 90's and it hasn't missed a beat since.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Yes. Yes. Yes. And Yes. Agree 100%. The add to your excellent list "Setting the bias at a safe point" and they sound damned good.
@NJSonye
@NJSonye Жыл бұрын
I still think they need a different speaker. I’m finding that true about any of today’s Fenders.
@nevillegoddard4966
@nevillegoddard4966 8 күн бұрын
Love your puppy dups mate! Give him a pat & a scratch on the head for me!
@jtbracknell
@jtbracknell Жыл бұрын
Very nice work Chris. I worked for the telephone company in the states, Bellsouth, back in the day and learned to lace cables, cable ties were not permitted and you took pride in how neat you could dress the cables and lace them in place. Sounds like you had a great mentor that taught you the importance of doing neat work as well as taking pride in the finished product. It shows in your videos and thank you for sharing.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thank you JT. Yes, I think we learned a skill that is now consigned to history, sadly. You are exactly right in this skill being an integral part in taking pride in your work. I very much appreciate you sharing your experience and skill with me.
@pdx_angler9760
@pdx_angler9760 24 күн бұрын
Great work. I had an older HRD that had the +/- 15V dropping resistor overheating and noisy channel switching along with an ultra-sonic oscillation at about 22 KHz that was sensitive to presence control setting (negative feedback) and tube socket flex circuit positioning. It required adding series resistance in the tube grid circuits to kill which was not easy. I think we all should be more vigilant in routinely checking the output with a wideband scope.
@michaelwhite1247
@michaelwhite1247 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video again Chris!!! So good to have a local Guru!! I really like how you actually show the repair taking place rather than describing it and skipping to the finished task like others do. Nice crisp playing as well mate. Love your work.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael. I really appreciate your words.
@zbaby82
@zbaby82 11 ай бұрын
Excellent maintenance and repair. And nice playing too.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech 11 ай бұрын
Thank you, ZBaby! I really appreciate that.
@Rico_G
@Rico_G Жыл бұрын
Extra points for the happy shepherd!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
I love him, Rico!
@soapboxearth2
@soapboxearth2 Жыл бұрын
I just tore the pcb out of a hot rod deluxe, a sublime pleasure. I bought it for 400 bucks, and im going to build a hand wired amp in it. 5f6a based. Basically, a 67 plexi - 2203 .. Got a layout from Jake from Jloewenheim youtube. Great guy . Previously, i built a 5f6a- plexi in a deville chassis based on a layout Jake sent me. Beutiful amp. Looking forward to the deluxe conversion. Its a pleasure to tear out all that pcb garbage from the chassis. Its sad that modern amps are built so cheaply , but i guess thats what we can expect with fractional reserve banking... #thecreaturefromjeckellisland Great video, as always !! Keep them coming !!!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
That is so cool!! I would love to see photos of your conversion. I am so envious. I would love to do that, but I have so many repairs to get though, I doubt that day will ever come for me, so I live vicariously through you. You can send me photos through my website guitaramptech.com.au
@soapboxearth2
@soapboxearth2 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech I'll definitely send some.
@soapboxearth2
@soapboxearth2 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJucm9lh2r-ymX0.html That's Jake's video. Where I got the idea and layout from. I'll forward some pics as well
@lexicarter3806
@lexicarter3806 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the video. beautiful repair work, beautiful dog 👏
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thanks Lexi. My boy sure has a beautiful temperment.
@petertimp5416
@petertimp5416 Жыл бұрын
Great job
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter
@ferraridinoman
@ferraridinoman Жыл бұрын
Nice one Young Chris!!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dino!
@nathanokeefe9169
@nathanokeefe9169 Жыл бұрын
a divider for bending the leads!! Brilliant!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Hahaha! Yes, I am a little OCD at times.
@markusf.3441
@markusf.3441 Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, thanks for another great video. If I lived in Sydney, I know exactly who I would trust with my equipment. It is a pleasure to watch your videos. Many greetings from Germany🍻🎸
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
vielen danke, Markus. I have so many wonderful memories of Germany. I hope life's roads will lead me back one day. Which part are you from?
@markusf.3441
@markusf.3441 Жыл бұрын
​@@theguitaramptech I come from the deepest west of Germany, about eight kilometers from the netherlands. The next city you might know is Cologne.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
@@markusf.3441 yes, I was lucky to have seen the magnificent Koln cathedral many years ago. I was actually driving from Germany to the Netherlands!! Stay well Markus.
@edwardhannigan6324
@edwardhannigan6324 Жыл бұрын
Bloody Awesome Video Chris..! Just fab, all the tips and tech info..Absolute 'ripper' as you guys say..Plus rounded off with a pro guitar demo..Whats a star mate..Love it..Stay safe..Ed..uk..😀
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Well....that's another beer from me! Thank you Ed.
@edwardhannigan6324
@edwardhannigan6324 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech I'm gonna' be s*** faced soon if you keep buying me beers..! 🤣🤣 Thanks Chris.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
@@edwardhannigan6324 HAHAHAHA 😂
@zk8241
@zk8241 Жыл бұрын
Top job and outstanding video Chris ... you're a master and clearly enjoy your craft ! .... thanks for the excellent "repair" of this new to me amp. PS - I now know whom to go to get my light sabre built 🤟🎸
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
HA! Anyone can repair a Light Sabre. Only the true Jedi would do combat with the evil starship Mesa captained by the evil overlord Darth Randall.
@zk8241
@zk8241 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech ....YES ! ... much solid state Darth Randall use did... the tube force for the musician much better is. Keep rockin' Chis !
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
@@zk8241 hahahaha😂
@lestelie4410
@lestelie4410 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, Chris. It never occurred to me that the Send/Return jacks could be so problematic. I had a Boogie Studio+ about 10 years ago that had an intermittent issue. I bet you this was the issue.
@zk8241
@zk8241 Жыл бұрын
Would keeping a guitar patch cable connected across Send/Return jacks help eliminate/minimise this issue?... or would it cause other problems? Maybe Jedi Master Chris can comment.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Hahaha! A patch cable this condition could prove and a temporary solution apply. Remember, young ZK, a Jedi's strength flows from the Flux.
@nathanokeefe9169
@nathanokeefe9169 Жыл бұрын
great video editing, i do guitar amp work in the usa. good organization as well!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thanks Nathan. May the Lord smile upon you, and not send you any Mesa Boogies.
@nathanokeefe9169
@nathanokeefe9169 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech thank you! and may the solder fumes always blow away from you!
@John-vk4gs
@John-vk4gs Жыл бұрын
I wish you were in Melbourne 😢
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. That's very kind of you.
@jjs3863
@jjs3863 Жыл бұрын
Chris! Just found this one m8. I just did this to my HRDx. I have an idea for a video if you’re stuck! Thanks for the video m8 and have a great weekend!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Thank you JJ. I really appreciate it.
@jjs3863
@jjs3863 Жыл бұрын
Question if I may. Another YT amp tech suggested (for a HRDx) using an 12AY7 in V1 and an 12AT7 for V3. What differences would you expect with those two tubes?
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
@@jjs3863 ​ @jjs3863 They are 2 excellent suggestions, Joe. The 12AY7 is a significantly lower gain tube than a 12AX7, and to my taste, a much nicer sounding tube than the modern 12AX7s. You'll get the same maximum volume but instead of it peaking at "3" it will peak at "6"...or thereabouts. Similarly, I prefer the 12AT7 in the PI role. Its lower internal resistance will allow larger peaks. The 12AT7 is a good choice for overdriven amps where the output tubes are driven into distortion. When this happens the grids can go "positive" instead of their normal negative bias. They now begin drawing grid current. Because the phase inverter was not designed to deliver this grid current, the phase inverter sees a much heavier load. Because the 12AT7 has a lower internal impedance and much higher current capacity, it can better cope with this change in the control grids and maintain better control over the signal. Another question that comes up is "Do the two internal triodes of the PI need to be balanced?". It may help in a Long Tail Pair but makes no difference in a Cathodyne PI.
@jjs3863
@jjs3863 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech Chris - thanks for the info. I am still having trouble with my HRDX. Can’t figure it out.
@elsaarmstrong-zp6ng
@elsaarmstrong-zp6ng 17 күн бұрын
Fenders are very good amps! Only thing I don’t like is the upside down chassis! Valves operated like this going to shorten their life and toast the components sitting above! I.e. Capacitors,resistors etc! Any views on this? Fraser
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech 16 күн бұрын
You are exactly right, Fraser, but the genius of Leo was the space savings when the tubes and transformers shared space with the speaker.
@petertimp5416
@petertimp5416 Жыл бұрын
I mounted Heatsink to the resistors
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
I had considered it, but the consequence of the heatsink falling on to the valve PCB below was too serious to proceed. How did you secure the heatsink?
@petertimp5416
@petertimp5416 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech there’s a “heatsink” compound which also acts as an adhesive. There are heatsinks which are about the size of two 5w “sandcast” resistors, with a mounting plate in the middle. It perfectly “glued” in the middle of the Resistors on the board adding rigidity so I do what you do and left them off a little bit To prevent heating being absorbed into the main board and bobs your uncle I’ve also done what you do and use the back plate of the amplifier cover as a heat sink as well great idea (if I do say so myself 😂)
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
@@petertimp5416 Thanks Peter. That sounds very much like what I use to secure the 470R resistors to the chassis with..
@brucehayes7251
@brucehayes7251 Жыл бұрын
Good to find an amp genius almost in my neighbourhood. Having watched psionic and uncle Doug for a year or more KZfaq finally offered up your channel. I have a relatively new Princeton 68 custom ,having had the fear of God put into me by Lyle at psionic,would you have any suggestions for looming problems( build inadequacy). I'm on the central coast ,amp techs are few and far between and you are obviously brave and effective enough to expose yourself to keyboard assassins. I have no problems just yet but it's a concern to be realised in the future, sincere regards
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Hi Bruce, Yes, Uncle Doug is a legend. I believe he used to be a teacher, and it certainly comes across in how he shares his knowledge. Lyle is an excellent Tech even if he does come across as critical or negative at times. I share some of Lyle’s concerns (not all) and can certainly improve the tone and reliability of most modern production amps, including your Princeton. I would be delighted to work on your amp, Bruce, but I would be remiss to not inform you about Ivan Richards, one of Australia’s best Techs, located on the Central Coast at Wyoming.
@brucehayes7251
@brucehayes7251 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech many thanks for your time and reply. My keyboard player ( and guitarist) bandmate may indeed have used Ivan, if I do head toward troubled waters I will seek one of you out. The amp is practically new,only used in practice so far but I heard warnings. I look forward to more content, amazing that KZfaq had failed to expose your talent but such is,once again thankyou. As a PS,both music stores I have purchased from,in Gosford and Newcastle have not been tremendously helpful in repair contacts. Be good
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
@@brucehayes7251 Rest easy ... you are safe from an imminent failure of your Princeton!! Its sound can certainly be improved, as can its reliability at some stage in the future. It's not KZfaq's fault that I have not ranked highly on searches. I always give higher priority to my repair customers. I also take MUCH more time with the production of my videos.
@brucehayes7251
@brucehayes7251 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech panic suspended
@solomonwaigani4512
@solomonwaigani4512 Жыл бұрын
Great work, Sir! Are there any similar design/penny pinching flaws with the current models of the Vox AC15C1 and AC15HW amps that would benefit from "anticipatory/preventative maintenance"?
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Hi Solomon. A good starting point is increasing the screen grid resistor from 100R to 470R. I'd also check the biasing of the two EL84's, and set your cathode resistors to give you around 95% dissipation +/- 5%. I may have covered this in my AC10 video.
@solomonwaigani4512
@solomonwaigani4512 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the quick response. I’ll definitely get those checked out.
@solomonwaigani4512
@solomonwaigani4512 Жыл бұрын
And you did mention setting the cathode resistors at about the six minute mark of the AC10 video. 😀
@MikeHall-pj5td
@MikeHall-pj5td 5 ай бұрын
Need you here in the states my deluxe is in bad shape my reverb stopped working
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech 5 ай бұрын
Ha! You're lovely Mike. There are many good Techs in the US, but sadly there are also many bad Tech's, just like in Australia. It is such a shame that we don't have a governing body.
@NJSonye
@NJSonye Жыл бұрын
Amazing how Fender designed & built an amplifier with a little care have a very respectable product. The stock speakers they use in Blues Jr are horrible.
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, NJ. This hotrod series and the BJr can be made to sound so good with just a few upgrades and a correct bias. I understand that good speakers cost more and so they give us the cheap option, but there is no excuse for plastic jacks, IC caps, crappy pot mounting (on the BJr) and too hot a bias.
@NJSonye
@NJSonye Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech You are just a little bit of a distance from me, but have you had any issues with Mesa Boogie Lone Star Classic (6L6 ) heads circa 2003 - 2005
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Yes, NJ. I am a bit disappointed in the Lone Star Classic. I find them harder to burn to ashes without the use of an accelerant. (My sincere apologies if its your amp, NJ.)
@NJSonye
@NJSonye Жыл бұрын
The head! I don’t think I can roll a combo let alone pick one up. It never travels without its road case. Still, I’d like to make it less volatile.
@roncarter2188
@roncarter2188 Жыл бұрын
I have HRD that I did some mods to make the amp more reliable, the usual stuff. I can't figure out why I have no negative bias. Checked the diodes and changed out resistors in the bias network. Checked voltages, I don't get it. Any ideas???
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
G'day Ron. First check your work didn’t cause the problem. When you say “no negative bias”, where are you measuring this? What is the actual voltage? Are you seeing any neg voltage on the resistor before the bias pot? What about at the junction of the two 220K resistors just before the grid stoppers? Are you measuring at pin 5 of the 6L6? If that’s positive, you may also need to check for leaking coupling caps. If none of that guides you to the problem, then you may need to book it in with me or another knowledgeable Tech close to you.
@roncarter2188
@roncarter2188 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech Thanks for your help and the first thing I did was check all the solder joints and connections where new filter caps were installed, dropping resistors all that good stuff, I put it to the side for now which I think is a good thing when you get aggravated with something leave it alone for a little bit but yes I will go back and revisit it again. Thanks
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
I know that feeling well, Ron. A Marshall JTM60 is kicking my butt now. Its impossible to test without reassembly only to find something else has cracked on that crappy PCB. Good thing Marshall canned it after a couple of years. Good luck, Ron.
@roncarter2188
@roncarter2188 Жыл бұрын
@@theguitaramptech Yep that sums it up well my friend exactly.
@soapboxearth2
@soapboxearth2 Жыл бұрын
Funny, I keep posting comments and they disappear
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
That's weird. I can still see them. Are you referring to rebuilding a HRD chassis? Are you looking under the Hot Rod Deluxe video.
@petertimp5416
@petertimp5416 Жыл бұрын
Waterhen!?!?
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Watson TTB ... if it still exists.
@montygore1200
@montygore1200 Жыл бұрын
doggonit its sodder
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
AH HAHAHAHAHA!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech Жыл бұрын
Hey Monty, I think you should buy your lady a bunch of Fowers!! 😉
@soapboxearth2
@soapboxearth2 Жыл бұрын
check your web page inbox
@paranoid5332
@paranoid5332 3 ай бұрын
dont know why they still doing it like this, what is the point of it bad reputation and no one who really knows about this problem will ever buy one again!
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech 3 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head. I assume you're talking about the 5w dropping resistors. Its the cheapest way to drop 60v to 16v. Most people don't know about the problem, so Fender keeps cranking them out. .
@paranoid5332
@paranoid5332 3 ай бұрын
@@theguitaramptech imagine they build smothing that last 10 or more year they would go insolvent 😅😆
@theguitaramptech
@theguitaramptech 3 ай бұрын
@@paranoid5332 It sure seems like it, paranoid. Although, "Reliability and ease of service" is what made Fender famous in the first place. Wouldn't it be great if ONE of the mass producers went back to that business model?
@paranoid5332
@paranoid5332 3 ай бұрын
@@theguitaramptech that would be fabulous!!! gretings from austria
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