I dont know why the editor threw in a donald trump figure into the soup animation at 9:02, everyone will have their different opinions on him, but I see no good reason to have that in the video, outside of the editors personal feelings. I dont come to the Ars Technica channel to see political stuff, let alone in a series about game development, and I feel like such stuff only detracts from the video and the conversation.

@@__aceofspades I do agree although I guess they were trying to make a positive thing about it. Since everything added to the soup was supposed to make it better. Kind of nice to see something good for a change when everyone just wants to make fun of him or talk crap about him despite the great things he has accomplished for my Country.

Hi there, I was watching this on my phone at 10% brightness and the sudden and frequent black to bright white flashes were an eyesore, I'm not epileptic but I can easily see that triggering an episode. Just something to keep in mind during editing, maybe dull the shade of white or blend the transition slowly

@@Stue-e Hi there. Thanks for letting us know. Are you referring to the chapter transitions, like "The Setup" and "The Fix?"

ac3ofspades878 I agree. Keep all politics out of this.

KZfaqrs like Tobuscus, Pewdiepie, and ChimneySwift11

@@travismeta3727 ChimneySwift11, i have heard that youtuber name in a long time

@@travismeta3727 RadBrad

microcuts let’s not forget SkyDoesMinecraft

And shifted the entire horror game genre into new direction.

Mods that fix glitches and patch games are all well and good, but sometimes the real lifesavers are the most ridiculous.

That is infinitely more terrifying to me for some reason.

I had the X Gon Give It To Ya mod to stop shitting myself everytime I heard Mr. X coming. Even though I had that AND the mod where Mr. X is in sunglasses and a thong, I still get a little freaked out.

Now imagine somebody plays Staying Alive and you mind automatically assumes the monster is nearby and you panic

@@NGorso1 im genuinely not exaggerating when i say that that decision has forever ruined Staying Alive for me

Damian Cross yeah that sucks why even add sanity

@@shodan2002 No that's actually genus this is a psychological horror game making the player scare himself instead of putting cheap jumpscare and that is my friend is how to make a Great psychological horror at it's best

@i am king exactly. Most horror games are riddled with jumpscares and lack the buildup the games like amnesia have.

@@VergilSpardasWife Yeah And I recommend that you play silent hill 2 it's my favorite horror game of all time it's really psychological and it has one of the best soundtracks for any game and the attention to details in it is absolutely crazy

​@@shodan2002 because it's an excellent mechanic to feed the dark parts of the imagination of the player with constant worry and anxiety? It's literally one of the main things that makes the game scary lol, the sound effects and illusions and all that.

We've been tricked, fooled and quite possibly - bamboozled

They played us like a damn fiddle

Reality is often disappointing

Fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

wallakfir90 impossible

Horror has been mainstream for ages. What amnesia pioneered was the zero combat sub genre, i guess penumbra did it first, but amnesia was the first to get noticed. Without frictional's work we may not have had mainstream AAA releases like outlast, or more importantly the masterpiece that is alien isolation

@@LyK0sa i mean, in Alien Isolation you can fight back, even though you can't kill the alien

Maybe for some people. I didn't like it at all and found it frustrating most of the time.

I'd say Dead Space was just as crucial in Horror continuing to be mainstream. The teams behind the RE2 and RE3 Remakes cite Dead Space as an inspiration for the new over-the-shoulder combat system, which is funny because RE was an inspiration for Dead Space and the entire reason Dead Space played like it did was because they wanted to build upon existing systems and mechanics from Resident Evil and Silent Hill. To be brutally honest, I have never liked the no combat Horror games. It exploded into this scene where indie devs would throw together some half-assed walking sim, just to try to appeal to the masses. I have never found no combat fun. I am glad it has started to die, honestly. Having to manage resources like ammo, med kits, and other consumables, and actually being able to fight back, and weighing the risk/reward of doing so, just felt more human and engaging than simply running and hiding. It felt like you were actually trying to SURVIVE... which is crucial to the Survival Horror genre.

@@saturnine4355 Funny you mention dead space being so influential, while the person above said Amnesia inspired combat-less horror games. So what if I combined the two and told you that dead space inspired inspired Amnesia's combat-less horror which inspired games like outlast? Thomas Grip was playing dead space. He noticed that the combat was TOO fun, and this had him excited for the next monster encounter, because it meant another thing to shoot at. You can't be scared of the monster if you are excited to see one, you should dreading it instead. He said this proved true once again while Amnesia was being play-tested. There was combat in an early version, and it took the players attention away from the horror, because they were so focused on the combat. So in some weird way, if dead space didn't exist, outlast probably wouldn't either.

Nice ? Which mods would those be ? I'm curious !

@@FBuilding I've never finished any, but Kalma is one, Unreality & Unreality II.

@@Pyovali Ai saatana. Kalma kuulostaa tutulta.

Also made 2 Custom Stories for that game, both are not good (One is released on ModDB), but still, I was passionate about this game. It made me a more creative level designer and still really helps me today when I am doing mods/maps for other games.

The perfect trilogy

Paradox games is the only company that never let me down, masquerade bloodlines 2 will be game of the year, i bet, unless half life 3 comes out, get it? ;)

it won't valve can't use the number 3 in games tho

@@gabescrazy5504 The game didn't even release any concrete gameplay yet, and you're already saying it's game of the year, hold your horses man, if there's anything I've learned (which isn't much) is that you can never expect anything from a game before gameplay footage is released. I have to admit I'm expectant about it, even if it's just for the nostalgia factor!

Ur mom: best succ

There's also this game that tells you that if you die too mych you will eventually die forever and have to start a new game, but it's a lie. I won't say the name of the game just in case cause I don't wanna spoil and it's not that old really.

@@ale90superarre Im pretty sure which one you mean, while I wont say the name, I just want to make sure im right. The lead protagonist is a female with mental issues, right?

@@hekickedmydog Yup. You probably got it.

@@ale90superarre what would you spoil by saying the name of the game? i have no idea what game it is and i want to know :(

But then that has no effect on people with 3-digit IQs.

Agreed. And it didn't fail thematically either. It did a perfectly good job of explaining what made Daniel (the pre amnesia potion Daniel, anyway) become progressively more evil. Fear. The greater his fear of "The Shadow", the further he would go to keep it at bay. He does worse and worse things, his fear growing all the time, until at last he's helping to kidnap and torture people he knows to be entirely innocent... all to stave off the fear and outrun the Shadow.

Honestly though, most of the credit for that goes to the medieval, steampunk setting, and the game's mature and uncensored way of handling themes like murder, torture, etc. The gameplay itself is arguably bad, and as admitted by the dev himself, minimal and often inconsequential.

This game was boring as hell and half as scary.

@@dan78789 Dead Space 1 and 2 are very good horror games. Dead Space 3 has no horror in it.

why none of you can listen? He didn't say it was a failure as a game, he said the story was a failure, which I kinda agree

the stronger the mind the more fcked amensia makes you.

i want that, last bosses that delete save files etc. er need more of this.

That, or Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth, which would warp your vision, slow down the game for a time, make voice audio clips play (like Cthulhu taunting you or Jack muttering to himself or Ramona chastising him), make heartbeat and heavy breathing sound effects play, muffling emergent sounds, and ultimately, for the second half of the game, have an actual death state associated with running out of sanity (instead of just falling to the ground with tinnitus for several seconds like in Amnesia). The main difference between the games was that in CoC:DCotE, sanity regenerated on its own rather quickly, whereas in Amnesia, sanity remained near constant and easily tracked, changing (positively) only with certain progress triggers.

I got that game when it came out and not gonna lie the blue screen "crash" and volume display effects definitely got me. Playing that game for the first time was such an experience

@@roadent217 Great example. I own CoC:DCotE and have played up to the church section, where there's a puzzle in order to move forward, hopefully that's enough detail to determine where I was. Not sure how much game I have left though it's been awhile, it felt like I was just scratching the surface, I'll guess and say I was probably only 1/4 to 1/3 into the game. It has some interesting mechanics, for instance how you heal your character. A shame it's really buggy, and never received a proper sequel. Without a doubt one of the best Lovecraft games out there, though seems like the one that's gotten the least amount of coverage outside of the hardcore fans. I have not completed either The Sinking City or Call of Cthulhu so I'm not in a position to say if they're better representations of the Cthulhu mythos and Lovecraft's work. Another game I have been wanting to try is Moons of Madness (2019). Another honorable mention would be Conarium, which I did complete however tbh I was left underwhelmed at its climax.

Unfortunately never got around to playing Eternal Darkness: Sanity's requiem when I owned a Gamecube. IIRC, there was a spiritual successor/sequel in the works a few years back, don't know what happened to that, shame if it was canceled.

Why?

@@jamieduterte4608 they get distorted

@@Kim-tr5op oh ok thanks

You should have just said "Something bad will happen"

mind blown!

suck it, blue!

Similar to Hellblade's 'permadeath'. It's adds to the anxiety and gives you an irl reason to fear in-game death.

Smeckledorfed. Completely and utterly smeckledorfed.

Guys, after finishing this game dozens of times, I actually put this to a test, and it did make a difference: I avoided many encounters and saw less monsters. But idk.

Me too, I feel cheated now :-/

Mission accomplished then ;)

Same thing with Hellblade and the supposed permadeath mechanic

like paying money for a gullibility test

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They added a hard mode last year that does exactly that, you die if you lose your sanity, among other changes that makes the game much harder.

I'm Glad that difficulty wasn't around when it first came out, I remember playing all way through it a few times and then decided to do an entire run with no Lantern. It was nuts.

They have had 2 projects in the works since 2017 and patched a hard mode into Amnesia in 2018. Hopefully we get some news this year about their new projects

@@jonasvalvik8180 Bloodlines is looking really good so far

Sequel announced in 2020~ #Blessings

Agreed which is why I hated outlast 1 lol

@@disastergirl22 lol i speed ran outlast 1 to the point where i can now play it all from 1% to 100% without even Being scared for a SPLIT SECOND I just run past the enemy's like they are my friends And the jumpscares are always like a GTFO out my way dont waste my time lol

@@moz6388 it's not even scary in my opinion u get chased through out most of that game it just gets boring u know

@@disastergirl22 then outlast 2 came.. Yeah that one was scary

@@moz6388 haven't played it so I can't judge

Irrapture x ikr, i have both amnesias

Well, if you watched the vid, now you know there's nowt to be scared about :)

@@polkad3v too bad bro im still scared 👀😭

It's a scary game for sure and will have you pausing a lot. However you would be losing out big time if you don't play it.

Same haha, back in 2012 i played it for like half an hour but I got too scared

That is very true. When I played the game, I actually did not once encounter the monster, because I was being too careful, and kept getting shitscared nonetheless. (I actually encountered it once on purpose, just to see what it was like lol)

If you still haven't finished Amnesia, I highly recommend it. One of the best horror games of all time, incredibly thought-provoking.

For som reason SOMA is harder for me to play by myself than amnesia. The environments in SOMA are much more intense and anxiety-inducing

I never really played it, is it worth it?

Its a must-play if you're into psychological horror. The setting/environment is amazing and the storytelling is actually pretty good. The only problem is that if you rush through the game without exploring then the story might not make any sense at all.

@@MorrowMatty Welp i had a hell of a good time binge-playing the Silent Hill Franchise and this game looks fairly similar so I'll give it a try

@@niclasneziru1854 please do. Even after you finish, there are hundreds of custom stories to play

@@slovakweeb460 The main game is really good, but you have masterpieces in the custom stories

Thanks for the recommendations. We'd love to do more with Adventure games. Laura Bow, anyone?

@@arstechnica This is a bit late, but a No Mans Sky episode might be good

I agree that the story revealed through the letters was great. IMHO, what he means is that the story is not part of the gameplay. Unfortunately the way it i integrated in SOMA is not really that great either. You literally had to kill people and robots in order to progress and there is no way around it.

Yes, that is the most common version. Other versions include "axe soup" and "button soup". Always the same basic story, just a different (useless) ingredient. In the end, the "cook" says he decided not to eat the stone / nail / etc., because he might as well save it to flavour the _next_ pot.

It's "axe porridge" in Russia.

In Russian, it's a fable about a soldier returning from war (think like 17th-19th century infantryman) who convinces a thrifty family that he'd make soup out of an axe. It sounds really cool in Russia (soop iz toporA) and have became a widely used idiom.

Same.

An English text book in my childhood had a story "The Stone Soup in Bohemia". A Prussian soldier returning from war passes by a village where everyone is suspicious of him. Through his intellect he slowly involves the entire village into making a soup out of a magical stone given to him by a Bohemian sage for saving his life. :)

@Owenen Does the Tuber thing I might. SOMA seems interesting too.

He completely understood it. The Sanity meter was the nail, and it was the misdirect. Everything sanity lost caused was imagined by the player.

@@jacqueleenjordan9817 Don't think so. The "other stuff" that was put into the soup meant other soup ingredients not human skeletal parts and a trump figure...

@@itsez1129 That was meant as a visual metaphor to tie the soup in the story to the game. The human skeletal parts are obvious references to fear, and there are plenty of people that (falsely) fear Trump as the next Hitler, hence the figure making a very Hitler like pose.

@@darkprinc979 Oh, a bit far fetched solution but now it makes more sense

@@darkprinc979 I think your reading a bit too much into that trump figures pose, he's clearly waving-if anything I'd say that was included just for the sake of throwing him into a cauldron of soup lol as for the human remains, yeah that's pretty obvious I guess

Probably because the initial scope of the project was to experiment with light and darkness as mechanics themselves. That was a failure, since they couldn't create compelling mechanics around those themes and had to get this scary feeling with other means (the perceived idea of darkness = bad and light = good vs. the literal manipulation of light and dark to cause fear)

Yea, in the story the antagonist's actions, and the protagonists help with them, along with their motivations for the same... it does feel like it was trying to say something theme-wise that doesn't necessarily come across. At least when compared to Soma's tight and ambitious theming.

From what I can tell everything is okay, after the success of SOMA they begun working on two project at the same time, and chances are because of the reputation they've gained from Amnesia and SOMA they are probably trying to top themselves with the next one - hopefully we'll see something this year!

SOMA is incredible. Even if the monsters made no sense

I must be in the minority in that I hated Soma. It wasn't scary, it was a bunch of robots that thought they were humans running around making copies of themselves, and the enemies weren't even nearly as scary as anything in Amnesia or Penumbra. Why do people like this game so much?

@@LnPPersonified For me it was definately the story that made the game worthwile to play but I agree. It might just be that Amnesia spoile me with its scares (it was so scary it took me multiple tries over 2 years to finish) I didn't even get really scared in SOMA. There were moments, especially at the beginning and I love the improvement in the graphics and story department, but the monster part got a downgrade for me. Monsters constantly being there and never disappearing is scare for the first time. Then you get the "you died" screen. Then it gets progressively more annoying. In Amnesia you die and have no idea if the monster is gone but the game never tells you explicitely that so you are just wondering where the monster has gone and boom here he is while not realising it's a totally unrelated different monster. It works the best at the prison part. You die, monster is gone but since the monster spawners are so close together it feels like there is 1 monster constantly roaming around you.

@@LnPPersonified congratulations. you sound like the most boring person alive. but hey, you go on pretending to hate the things people like because you think it makes you clever in the mean time i'll take the cumulative positive steam user reviews over some dude with a chip on his shoulder

They've anounced a new Amnesia game! Hopefully it's not too scary for you to play lol

I read an article in the Swedish edition of PC gamer years ago, around the time Amnesia came out. There the devs indeed spoke about "The cradle" from Thief 3, and how that was a major inspiration. So you're right!

@@Tuurngaiit oh! Would you look at that! Cool! Thanks :)

@@Tuurngaiit oh God, the Cradle. I'm still traumatized.

@@itsallaboutprotein the abandoned hospital in the 2014 thief scared me. Nothing is worse than looking through a peephole expecting nothing to happen only to get randomly jumpscared out of your mind

@@Tuurngaiit yep...The Cradle....that was a freaking scary level... First time i played i couldnt finish that level..i was freaking out....i played some years later and finished ...another game i stopped playing was Alien Isolation...that alien AI was a true nightmare...i never played again...

Frictional is hiring for a sound designer. Just saying.

@@recordingstudiotech Oh man the applications ended on the 15th! Haha maybe next time! :D

@@madeiraislander Let them know you're interested anyway. You never know.

virtually no-one in games design now has much understanding of the importance of audio, which is why the most advanced sound design ever put in a game was in the first couple of thief games 20 years ago and has never been equalled since (it's almost possible to play those games blindfolded because the positional audio and sound reflection is so good). lots of stealth games released now, none of them have the sound design neceassary for stealth so they give you X-Ray vision powers instead.

@Dennis Reynolds Yeah it's a shame that tech was left behind, it's still possible to get EAX working for the old games with openAL drivers but recently game developers have ignored the possibilities of advanced audio techniques.

Old comment but you should try out Hard Mode-- it completely removes that particular tell.

@@ThePoltergust5000 I've been meaning to play that mode, though haven't gotten around to it. :D

That's when I subbed to him :)

But he didn't completely his amnesia replay and now he didn't even finished amnesia rebirth

no consequences other than visual/sounds and going down, tho iwould count that was annoying to want to avoid still.

Hi there. Happy to say, we did a video with the fine folks at Rebellion. They are a really nice team and we hope to work with them again. Check it out here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j6uCpdZoq7_PqKM.html

>hbomberguy Didn't care to read after that word

@@mistry6292 It's a shame, he's one of the best creators on KZfaq as of now, and even if you don't care/agree with his politics his game analysis are poignant, precise and disregard traditional "game journalism" and mystification of certain games.

I guess just the term “conditioning” more than does the trick. Here they didn't really succeed in conditioning the player to act in certain ways, they built an atmosphere, established a mechanic that has barely any effect on gameplay, and let the player's imagination soar. But much of the experience in Amnesia is built by the player, not the designer. In this way, players that look at games systematically, like many that prefer games like Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma, will not be conditioned the way the developers intended. I had this trouble with Amnesia. When first playing it, I retained sanity because I thought it was going to give me a game over, which just so happens to not be true. Upon noticing that the only game overs are when you get physically harmed, I only cared about sanity to get rid of the visual effects and fainting, as it made the game even slower. Also, a majority of the game was not at all scary to me, even though I found the atmosphere and tension to be beautifully done. So my way of playing wasn't being conditioned by the atmosphere or the ineffectual sanity system, it was being conditioned by how I noticed the designers scripted the scenarios and events, i.e. I was treating Amnesia the same way I treat an action RPG. This turned Amnesia into a very easy game to beat to me, and it felt like a slow story-based game with loose mechanics and an obvious structure that were easy to abuse. In the case of Dark Souls, there is conditioning just like any game, but there is very little enforcement of most fighting moves. The only elements of fighting that I can think of as being strongly conditioned are the dodges and taking flasks. This contrasts with Sekiro, which is a game much more grounded in a single mechanic, where the player is strongly conditioned to play with the stance and execution system. The conditioning in Dark Souls isn't bad, it's just narrow. Players that think of using jumping may learn about it and use it more often than players that don't even think about it. It's a much more open game, so this is not a problem; in retrospect, it might be a boon.

@@Slomowo What you described on the first paragraph is the definition of play conditioning, if you want I can link the video. About Amnesia, Thomas have always had a very strong philosophy towards game building which he talks in length on his blog, one of these concepts is that of trusting the player and never using cutscenes to tell the story or make the player focus on what you want them to see, because he sees that practice as very ungamey(it is an experience apart from the game itself, like watching a movie short in between game sessions) and as hindering, it is a very big crutch most triple AAA developers have become dependant on; this explains the scripted events, which im amnesia make place for expository cutscenes. In the same Philosophy of trusting the players intelligence he recalls that a significant but small margin of players will inevitably have a bad or undesirable experience playing the game, since it doesn't handheld it through the story and elements of the game, but that it was a just price to pay to have the game be overall a better experience for others. I'm sorry the former was your case. In that aspect Dark Souls is much like, or much more than Amnesia, as 60% of players drop after the second boss and almost 80% never beats it, making it clear Fromsoftware's view is that a few dropouts is better than watering down the game, and with that we come to play conditioning again; I meant bad as in non-orthodox and "innefective" in conveying those mechanics accurately, but as we can all testify this doesn't hinder from the game experience, but the opposite, make a claustrophobic and paranoid experience of playing that game even more tense since no one is sure of how the mechanics really work and you have to figure it out by trial and error.

@@ivyssauro123 Yes, it is. I think there's no need to coin a new term for it. It's just conditioning done in gameplay, there's not much academic mystery to it. Of course, that is my opinion. I do understand that such had to be the design philosophy behind Amnesia. The problem I saw, however, is that I thought I was an exclusive case. However, the screaming Amnesia-playing Let's Player is more of a stereotype that catches more attention than other, more numerous types of players. When you look at most playthroughs done by other players, they usually are scared in the initial hour of playing Amnesia, and then spend the rest of the game treating it systematically. Of course, few of those are “casual” gamers. When you think about it, that design philosophy is also pretty unorthodox, as is Dark Soul's or, let's say, both NieR's. The difference with Dark Souls is that Amnesia's design makes the designer's goals impossible to achieve with certain players, whereas Dark Souls' designs makes the game *inaccessible* for the majority of players. Nonetheless, I think both design philosophies are interesting.

So would we!

They are working on more than one game atm, if I recall correctly

Hey, i used to be like that but then I thought to myself "that's enough" and started watching gameplays, movies, etc. and now it's my absolute favorite genre and I love the thrill of being scared.

@@Quon Did you play Amnesia? watching gameplays ruins the experience :) I remember playing it right when it came out and it was so intense it was unbelievable!

@@madeiraislander i want to! Only horror game i played was RE4 abd even that is just a zombie survival so idk if it counts

@@Quon Hah that's a good one though, my favorite RE! Amnesia is really cheap on Steam right now, you should take a look :) It's an experience that will stick with you forever!

No, you just have a bigger amount of fear in you than some others - that was a great trait for hundreds of thousands of years! Humans like you had a bigger chance of survival, because they avoided risks and therefore lived longer. Rather see yourself as product of many generations of evolution :)

Thank you!