How Ancient Geography Shaped the North-South Chinese Divide

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GatesOfKilikien

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@EduNauta95
@EduNauta95 Жыл бұрын
A master class in geopolitics
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
thanks, appreciate the kind words
@Jc-yu2ot
@Jc-yu2ot 10 ай бұрын
I always found value in understanding a regions geographical layout before you could truly comprehend the history and development of their contemporary society. Mountain valleys, rivers, deltas, etc all have crucial roles in divisions and connections alike so it’s eye opening to understand these things. You do an excellent job in accentuating the role of geography in Chinese historical narratives.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've found it helpful. With geography especially I think video format works well to show things visually, and reading about them can be much more difficult.
@cg9612
@cg9612 10 ай бұрын
This is so interesting!!! This the way history was taught when I was in school. I'm so glad to have this information in English. I've been studying Chinese history on my own for a while, off and on, this one video made everything fall into place. Also, thank you for pronouncing the Chinese names clearly and slowly. It gives me good chance at being able to learn them. I also like when you break down the names and explain the meaning of different parts like east and west. I like all the maps and how you highlight and add arrows and names when it complements the narration. Keep up the good work!!
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 10 ай бұрын
Yeah. Maybe we should have gotten a good Chinese history class in jr or sr high in place of one of the 4 US history classes.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad to hear you found this video helpful! Chinese geographical names can be quite dense for non-Chinese speaking audiences, although there are a lot of patterns, rules, and historical continuities with them. Hopefully this video and some of the future ones I'm working on now can help demystify some of this.
@PaulB-kg4op
@PaulB-kg4op 10 ай бұрын
When studying Chinese history in college, we never learned much about the geography and how it affected events. The best we would get was an outline of Asia with some lines drawn over it. This is so enlightening!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've found it helpful! And yes so much of this knowledge, not just for China but for places all around the world, is quite lacking.
@AM22Salabok
@AM22Salabok 10 ай бұрын
Legit one of the most interesting channels on yt, glad this got recommended
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Appreciate the support! The algorithm gods absolutely smiled on my channel this week (I think I got 5x more views this week than the previous 1.5 years combined), and great that the algorithm did its job of connecting us.
@shadowfacts395
@shadowfacts395 Жыл бұрын
Recommending this channel to everyone I meet
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks, appreciate the support!
@pdruiz2005
@pdruiz2005 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating! I know the broad strokes of Chinese history. But you really get into the nitty-gritty battle tactics of certain states, here during the famed Three Kingdoms Period, 三國時代. Keep up the good work! I had vaguely heard about the Huai River, and I knew that Hefei was the capital of Anhui Province. But now I know why Hefei is so important. You filled in so many gaps to my historical knowledge. Thank you! (You should definitely do a video on the importance of the Hexi Corridor (河西走廊) to Chinese history. It's such an underrated part of China that influenced so much of its development, especially the importance of Chang'an as a capital city for almost 1,000 years.)
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback - I don't have a video dedicated to the Hexi Corridor yet, although my most recent video, which is on the early history of the Northern Wei Dynasty, spends a lot of time on the northwest too. Starting at 6:47 in the video there's a chapter about the overall geography the region including the Hexi Corridor, although mostly in the specific context of early medieval Chinese history.
@user-vg7nh8sy2z
@user-vg7nh8sy2z 10 ай бұрын
Sun Quan also became a joke on the Chinese internet because of Hefei. He was called "Sun 100,000" by Chinese netizens because he led an army of 100,000 men to attack Hefei many times but failed.
@richardengelhardt582
@richardengelhardt582 10 ай бұрын
The Huai River was also the cultural and bio geographic division between N and S in prehistoric times) Palaeolithic and Neolithic). It would be great if you could do a video summarizing the geographical history of those formative times.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the insight and feedback, and yes this is something that I want to get into eventually. My plan is to do a series on ancient Chinese history from the beginning to the decline of the Han Dynasty, much like the series on medieval Chinese history that I am working on now, and for the first few videos I want to somehow find a way to weave the archaeological evidence and mythologies side by side into a narrative. It'll be very tricky to write though, but should also be quite rewarding to do.
@BrutusAlbion
@BrutusAlbion 10 ай бұрын
This channel is such a treasure to have found. Really gives you some insight into chinese geography and dynamics. Thank you so much for making these!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
My pleasure, glad you enjoy it!
@Lonestar10443
@Lonestar10443 10 ай бұрын
One of the best video to explain the history of a region with the effects of geograpgy on it.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've found it helpful!
@tfsweet
@tfsweet Жыл бұрын
Came across your channel! It’s very interesting and informative. Please continue with your regular uploads!!!!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
thanks, appreciate the support!
@joeblogs8049
@joeblogs8049 9 ай бұрын
These are really great, please continue making them.
@realkekz
@realkekz 10 ай бұрын
You're the best underground history youtuber I've seen in a long time, keep it up!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@GregMcNeish
@GregMcNeish 8 ай бұрын
Outstanding video! The way you blend geography and history to galvanize stories and lessons is terrific. In 15 minutes I went from having almost zero knowledge to feeling like I had a good handle on both the geography and the broad strokes of the area's history. Thanks!
@yt_geezuz785
@yt_geezuz785 10 ай бұрын
Just stumbled upon this video today. Excellently presented a topic I never knew was this interesting. Going to check your other content.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard, and hope you enjoy the other stuff too!
@davidpavlicko9727
@davidpavlicko9727 10 ай бұрын
Wonderfully informative channel, thank you for putting together such a well-organized presentation. Very glad that the algorithm led me to this, I can't wait to go through your back catalogue!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've enjoyed this, and hope you find the other videos helpful too!
@nancytestani1470
@nancytestani1470 10 ай бұрын
So cool, fantastic,great podcast, keep up the great work
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
@lowersaxon
@lowersaxon 10 ай бұрын
Very good indeed. I stumbled in another video of the series and couldnt stop hearing it. This is of the same quality.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it!
@sksim6154
@sksim6154 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much
@samsungelec964
@samsungelec964 10 ай бұрын
I had some knowledge on the history of China. And this video gave me a new insight on the geographic background on the wars between Cao Cao and Sun family. So helpful!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Great to hear that you've found it helpful!
@philippebyrnes1213
@philippebyrnes1213 10 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. The history is well scripted and compelling, the maps are very helpful, and the personalities vivid. I hope you get more subscribers and viewers. Truly one of the best historical channels on YT and especially for Chinese history. In 15 minutes you helped me connect numerous small isolated facts I'd known. BTW, I was in China in 1995 and 96, and sailed the 3 Gorges before the dam was started. Very fond of China!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, and glad you enjoyed it! Right now I'm trying to carefully hone my skillset and lay the foundation for a good reputable and reliable channel rather than focus too much on growth, although over the past week the algorithm has really smiled on me (that's how you found this channel I think), so it's been quite a pleasant surprise and encouragement for the work I've put in so far. Being able to sail down the Three Gorges before the dam must have been an incredible experience. I was too young to have had the chance to do the cruise before the dam was built, and have still yet to visit anyway. It's supposed to be one of the absolute top destinations in China though, and so cool you got to see it.
@shinjinimo2791
@shinjinimo2791 10 ай бұрын
thank you very much! i have been intereted in military geography of China for some time. seem to have learned something but not fully grasp the idea. but this video really give me a vivid understanding of the basic analysis.i finally understand the route of marching is heavily constrained by the logistics usually by river transport.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've found it helpful! There's a lot of Chinese historical geography that's not immediately obvious on the map, so hopefully this video and other ones I plan to make can help demystify some of that.
@bflex
@bflex 10 ай бұрын
.. excellent engaging commentary..one of the most descriptive easy to understand stories of ancient china ever told..cheers..!!..
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've enjoyed it!
@albrechthuber1084
@albrechthuber1084 10 ай бұрын
Many thanks for this clear informative lessons!!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you've found it helipful!
@chunliangzhang2506
@chunliangzhang2506 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic job!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Numba003
@Numba003 10 ай бұрын
This is my second time on your channel, and I enjoyed this one as well. Thank you. China is a big place, and I liked the brief look at some of its geographic diversity. God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words, and appreciate the support! I grew up reading Chinese history, so I hope I can help introduce a lot of these concepts to an English-speaking audience.
@TheTel
@TheTel 10 ай бұрын
You deserve a lot more subscribers.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, I've mostly been focused on teaching myself how to make videos these 1.5 years and in a way have appreciated the lack of exposure, although with that said the algorithm really picked up this week and the new growth has also been very exciting to see.
@TheTel
@TheTel 10 ай бұрын
@@gatesofkilikien oh wow yeah in the week since I’ve commented you made a ton of progress
@blyndblitz
@blyndblitz 10 ай бұрын
Would love a video dedicated to the Sichuan basin and what makes it unique. What are the mountain passes available to invading armies? How is navigation through the entrance gorges?
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion, and yes as I go around covering different regions of China I'll get to the Sichuan Basin.
@RKarmaKill
@RKarmaKill 10 ай бұрын
Great channel 👍
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍
@jackytang3683
@jackytang3683 9 ай бұрын
Two river cross Anhui province, my hometown is in Southern of yanze river, we eat rice. the people living between yangze and huai river eat wheat and rice , the people from north huai river eat wheat.
@user-yi1qp1ch7s
@user-yi1qp1ch7s 10 ай бұрын
terrific explanation! please keep it up!
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@TheInkPitOx
@TheInkPitOx Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
thanks, yes all this is very interesting stuff, and my goal is to help bring it to a wider audience
@kousseilashakur672
@kousseilashakur672 11 ай бұрын
Keep uploading man, you motivate me to make my own channel Thank you
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, and best wishes! It's definitely been quite rewarding for me and I've learned a lot in the process.
@BreadLobby
@BreadLobby 10 ай бұрын
Under rated channel
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hopefully I can keep building on what I have so far.
@danielbruceagra9022
@danielbruceagra9022 10 ай бұрын
you remind me of the channel of prometeus about history, and I was interessed for chinese history, but didn't have an great start, this may help me understand more chinese history, thank you
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks, appreciate the support!
@Realist968
@Realist968 9 ай бұрын
Superb
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 9 ай бұрын
Thanks 🤗
@stevenkyle9426
@stevenkyle9426 10 ай бұрын
very imformative
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Spacemongerr
@Spacemongerr 10 ай бұрын
Very good.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@johnoden2857
@johnoden2857 3 ай бұрын
This presentation of how China's geography affected a period of its ancient history is very interesting and very helpful. Considering the geographical exigencies alone, the resources and technical skills needed to contend in these continental struggles must have been vast. So much ongoing conflict! It reminds me of European history. Thank you.
@temptemp563
@temptemp563 10 ай бұрын
Thanks
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thank you too!
@hongdong3718
@hongdong3718 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@yangliu5727
@yangliu5727 10 ай бұрын
as a native hefeinese, great video, you explained extremely well.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! Always great to hear from locals of the places I write about.
@Nick-hi9gx
@Nick-hi9gx 3 ай бұрын
Your new video on Xiangyang was the first of yours I had seen, and am now watching many of them. Now that you have gotten into a pretty deep history of Nanyang overall, I would love to see one over the Huai, for earlier history. It has been hard for me to really get a great geographical and REAL historical understanding of China long before it became China, because there is so much mythologized "history", and extreme bias towards one small part of China. I know there is a lot of Chinese scholarship done on the so-called "Yi", the people to the east who weren't Hua during the Shang and Zhou, but I've found almost none of it in English. Were they a different cultural group to the Longshan, or were the Huaiyi the Longshan's successors? How did the Huaiyi in particular become the kingdoms that Sinicized in the Spring and Autumn period? Like, historically, not just what the Chinese historians say, but what is backed up with archeology and numismatics and things of that sort. I know of the Xu and Xue and Wu kingdoms, how did they coalesce into kingdoms, and what happened to them after conquered by Qi and Wu, and then the Yue, and Chu? Were they just assimilated, and became outright Hua? Or did they retain a lot of cultural distinction, like the Greeks even during all the time of Roman control? I know that the region, and just across the Yangtze, became hugely important in the end of the Spring and Autumn period, and especially in to the Warring States, but I don't really know how. All I can really find is "trade, lots of bronze because they had trade networks south, where the tin comes from". The Three Kingdoms kingdom of Wu is obviously based, at least at first entirely and later economically, around the heart of the old Wu kingdom, and some of old Chu, it is apparent that is the entire reason there WERE three kingdoms (had Wei taken the southeast Shu would have been conquered easily) but there is a big gap in *how* that happens. It just seems to be "well Sun Tzu comes along and teaches the semi-barbarians how to war, and they win, but then other semi-barbarians (Yue) come and they take it, but then the Chu who are good, proper Chinese by this time take it". And that is obviously just...not true. At all. Anyway, a deep-dive into the lower Huai in its earlier history would be really appreciated. Maybe Shandong along with it. Basically everything the Shang thought of as "the eastern barbarians".
@starsky9832
@starsky9832 10 ай бұрын
Can you do Vietnam next, Vietnam is very similar to China in North-South divide.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion, and yes I can work on adding more discussions of Vietnamese geography to future videos.
@k3o2c86
@k3o2c86 10 ай бұрын
這視頻的製作很好,有否中文版?
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
谢谢,和视频有关的写作我都用英文,现在还没有中文版本。
@williambesaw2907
@williambesaw2907 10 ай бұрын
How do you feel about the growing chinese american rivalry?
@BillyTheKidder
@BillyTheKidder 9 ай бұрын
Hefei.. What is it good for?..🎵
@watchman835
@watchman835 10 ай бұрын
Wow.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
🙂
@watchman835
@watchman835 10 ай бұрын
@@gatesofkilikien s
@oleksacrowley9580
@oleksacrowley9580 10 ай бұрын
Are those people speak/spoke different dialects of Chinese, or different languages?
@user-vr1bk2nk1x
@user-vr1bk2nk1x 3 ай бұрын
It’s difficult to say, think maybe Ukrainian and Russian, The southern languages are much older and mixed with native accents, while northern accent is filled with Mongolian sounds, babaric sounds, the writing is the same, but we cannot communicate with each other
@xxxoo2131
@xxxoo2131 9 ай бұрын
Existential threat hefei city for Sun Quan
@frankng4574
@frankng4574 9 ай бұрын
The differences are existed because of the living environment and limited mobility in ancient times.
@mistersir3020
@mistersir3020 9 ай бұрын
Can't properly teach conquest/conflict history without maps and explanation of the terrain.
@AntiManlet-pp2fk
@AntiManlet-pp2fk 7 ай бұрын
North China (from Beijing to Manchuria) is Altaic land, not Han Chinese anymore. After 2000 years of nomadic invasions most of Han Chinese moved south to Southern China.. Southern Chinese are 100% Han Chinese..
@SADBOY-di3th
@SADBOY-di3th 3 ай бұрын
U know nothing about China.north han r pure han
@blankface5052
@blankface5052 10 ай бұрын
I feel like the north always wins
@indubitablyso7874
@indubitablyso7874 10 ай бұрын
The only thing they win in is mining coal 😹
@SADBOY-di3th
@SADBOY-di3th 3 ай бұрын
​@@indubitablyso7874han Chinese come from north
@BlueBird-wb6kb
@BlueBird-wb6kb 10 ай бұрын
I wish China was two different countries, north and south.
@indubitablyso7874
@indubitablyso7874 10 ай бұрын
That would not be optimal
@qiqiisperfect
@qiqiisperfect 10 ай бұрын
So do you think USA divided into south Confederate States and north United States is good?
@HistoricalWeapons
@HistoricalWeapons 10 ай бұрын
Big dump mountain
@nirbija
@nirbija 10 ай бұрын
Ha ha! And here I am thinking that the GEOGRAPHY came first! lol The Geography came first; then societies are later created according to the geographical layout. This means that the geography DID NOT so-called "shape the north-south Chinese divide"! The PEOPLE did ... all by themselves ALONE! It is not like Chinese people were a monolith, occupying all of the land; and then up sprung the geography to so-call "divide" the people.
@townaldtrump1316
@townaldtrump1316 2 ай бұрын
😢I heard Chinglish accent
@xiongmaoa2793
@xiongmaoa2793 10 ай бұрын
North and South China and even autosomes are different. Southerners are merely mestizo, especially on both sides of the Huai River. The difference is very obvious. In the north, you can clearly see that they have many fat people and big bones. Few Westerners come to the north.especially southern shandong area,The so called pure Dawenkou culture zone,Fat people,large bones,drinking alcohol 24/7
@indubitablyso7874
@indubitablyso7874 10 ай бұрын
Big fat bones for coal mining I assume 😹😹
@inotaishu1
@inotaishu1 10 ай бұрын
"Varieties of Chinese", is this another kind of avoiding to say that these are different languages?
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, they have features of both languages and dialects, and in any case the words "language" and "dialect" don't fully capture the complexity involved. My limited understanding of linguistics is that, for this reason, linguists nowadays generally prefer to use "variety" in place of both "language" and "dialect".
@inotaishu1
@inotaishu1 10 ай бұрын
@@gatesofkilikien that sounds like a cop out to me.
@Fishmanist
@Fishmanist 10 ай бұрын
Mutually unintelligible?? dawg you’re racist to other Chinese people that’s fkn wild
@skyn3817
@skyn3817 10 ай бұрын
How is mentioning language differences racist? Mutually unintelligible means that speakers of those languages can't understand each other.
@huangec
@huangec 9 ай бұрын
Huh? How is a statement of fact racist? They are separate languages after all. I can only conclude that you are not very bright.
@albajgurd
@albajgurd 10 ай бұрын
It's BCE and CE, not BC and AD. Much more correct. Not everyone is Christian in our world.
@fabianmiron2782
@fabianmiron2782 10 ай бұрын
And which event is so Important that we differentiate different eras in before and after ? Just because not everyone is Christian doesn’t mean we need to erase Christianity as on of the most important historical faiths and cultures to exist and it’s influence on history. You’re invited to use you’re own calendar that has cultural significance for you but as a Christian please don’t try to change ours
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
Yes, I thought of this when I was first starting to build this channel. I personally prefer BCE and CE over BC and AD, and got very close to choosing to use them for my videos. But ultimately I felt that since BC and AD are still predominantly used outside of academic circles, it would be an additional layer of complexity for viewers to deal with, especially since a large percentage of them come from outside of English-speaking countries and may find BCE and CE confusing. Also, philosophically, I don't think Common Era notations make much of a difference compared to BC and AD since either way they revolve around Jesus' birthday. To me they inevitably create an artificial divide between time periods when, to ancient peoples living around the BC to AD transition, this divide did not exist.
@TedYeo-vj4rc
@TedYeo-vj4rc 10 ай бұрын
Glory to the Chinese Racw
@millennialwatchman6703
@millennialwatchman6703 10 ай бұрын
Can you do a video about Taiwan, specifically why China never conquered it until the early modern era, despite it being easily within their capabilities to do so. It seems so odd that present day China seems like they'd be prepared to risk WW3 for control of Taiwan, but for litterally thousands of years, ancient and medieval China just didn't care about it.
@Gepap3
@Gepap3 10 ай бұрын
Why would it be weird? The island housed no civilization, wasn't part of any trade network, and wasn't particularly necessary for any crop or other goods. Once Europeans began to squat, it became clear to the Chinese they needed to control that island to prevent it from becoming a base against them.
@millennialwatchman6703
@millennialwatchman6703 10 ай бұрын
​@@Gepap3I'm pretty sure there was at least some civilisation there, I mean the native Taiwanese were more than just hunter gatherers. If nothing else, control of Taiwan would mean more people to collect taxes from. But I admit I'm not an expert in this area.
@gatesofkilikien
@gatesofkilikien 10 ай бұрын
I'll likely touch on Taiwan at some point especially with the ancient and medieval history I'm doing, although Taiwan doesn't feature much in Chinese history until towards the end of the Ming Dynasty.
@kanojune5754
@kanojune5754 2 ай бұрын
​@@Gepap3such a disgraceful commentary completely disregarding the Austronesian, who mastered oceanic voyage before any other civilization. I pity you.
@Gepap3
@Gepap3 2 ай бұрын
@@kanojune5754 The Austronesians who moved out of Taiwan were no more adept at sea voyaging than the folks who made it to Australia several tens of thousands of years earlier, given it happened prior to 6000 BC.
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