How Bad Wording Ruins The Eye of Timaeus

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2 ай бұрын

The Eye of Timaeus is an early era dark magician support card, which allows you to send a dark magician monster you control to the GY, in order to SS a fusion monster that lists it as a material to the field.
The idea behind this card is that it would work with Dark Magician AND Dark Magician Girl to allow them to go into their dragon fusions (Dark Magician the Dragon Knight)(Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight), and would be really good in modern DM decks to let them go into Dark Dragoon(Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon) and even The Dark Magicians. However, no modern DM decks play this card, and its not because they don't use fusions, because they absolutely do use them.
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@SorrelYT 2 ай бұрын

This really sounds like one of those "cards konami can fix by just saying its fixed" issues.

@TheTwizted 2 ай бұрын

Dm players including myself have been begging for a new fusion card or for them to fix this one. People use REF to turbo out dragoon, it’d be nice to have a Dm version of REF

@hey_its_branden 2 ай бұрын

that or just putting DM and DMG on timaeus

@BaritoneMonotone 2 ай бұрын

@@hey_its_brandenWhat and do something that players have asking for years and would make people happy? Idk man but I don’t think Konami can do that…

@fuckhead0 2 ай бұрын

Fr like, the text isn't even up for debate since it does have "Dark Magician" in its text, just specified monster rather than leaving it there but Konami has much weirder "it works because we say so" already in the game so this one would almost feel natural

@hey_its_branden 2 ай бұрын

@@BaritoneMonotone i forgot no one with common sense works at konami lol

@legen_ddary 2 ай бұрын

Out of all the "you must be a lawyer to understand this" technicalities this has to be one of the dumbest

@channellastname3527 2 ай бұрын

The actual lawyer above your comment even disagrees with it

@preistestdragon4634 2 ай бұрын

@randomvideoboy1 you are missing a major in Law and a minor in English.

@TuckerMangum408 2 ай бұрын

@randomvideoboy1It doesn't mention dark magician specifically. It instead mentions a "dark magician" monster. It is a yugioh wording issue that is present many other cards.

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I should be allowed to use Scarred Dragon Archfiend and Burning Soul to summon three synchros, including King Calamity, on your turn. This is a very important rule for the balance of some cards. Timaeus just needs an errata.

@noahtackett6264 19 күн бұрын

@@AnotherVessel not even an errata. The quoted text is the same. Changing it to "it counts now" literally fixes everything wrong with it

@RobertLydonReviews 2 ай бұрын

As an actual lawyer I will admit the ruling still doesn’t make sense to me as the word monster is outside the quotes. I’d challenge this on appeal

@skylex157 2 ай бұрын

evil(good) lawyer be like:

@andytoskovic 2 ай бұрын

Exactly, this makes zero sense

@10001vader 2 ай бұрын

I think the reasoning is that Magician's rod is looking for something that references the specific card Dark Magician. Eye of Timaeus references a category of cards (Dark Magician Monsters), not one specific card. Either way, it's a poorly worded card that would be fixed if konami cared about consistent templating at all.

@HowlingDoom 2 ай бұрын

The phrase "Target 1 'Dark Magician' Monster" means its not ask for a card specifically named "Dark Magician" but any card that contains that as part if its name. Magician Rod however is asking for "the Card 'Dark Magician'" meaning its asking for the card with that exact name and wil only search for cards that specifically mentions tbat exact monster. There is only 1 exact Dark Magician monster.

@serraramayfield9230 2 ай бұрын

@@HowlingDoomyeah i'd challenge this too or even just straight up ask Konami's database

@Arcademan09 2 ай бұрын

I mean this in the nicest way possible: That's the most assinine reasoning I've ever seen for a technicality

@justinjakeashton 2 ай бұрын

There's nothing unreasonable about it. In an alternate world, Timaeus needs "Elemental HERO Neos" and Rod needs a card that mentions "Elemental HERO" or "Neos". This is a special case of a monster and an archetype sharing a name, like Thunder Dragon and Cyber Dragon.

@MakoShiruba 2 ай бұрын

@@justinjakeashton It says "Dark Magician" but not in the way it's archetype wants to, so it doesn't work in the archetype it's supposed to be in. This is not a "Frog the Jam" type situation, this is straight up a flub.

@braedenmclean5304 2 ай бұрын

Considering all the dark magician monster are…well, dark magicians then it does indeed mention them

@Goremejy 2 ай бұрын

Yeah it literally says “dark magician” on the card. It lets you search for “cards with dark magician” in the name. I don’t care what Konami says but this ruling is idiotic AF

@justinjakeashton 2 ай бұрын

@@Goremejy Didn't even bother reading the card. It searches anything with Dark Magician in the CARD TEXT, not the name.

@kylesmith8061 2 ай бұрын

As much as I love YuGiOh... especially as a Dark Magician player, this is a glaring example of exactly why people hate YuGiOh

@anonymous-bt6pv 2 ай бұрын

yeah, ya gotta learn to love it

@anonymous-bt6pv 2 ай бұрын

@randomvideoboy1 honestly probably nothing, although for most of these cases konami would errata it

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

They'd hate it more if Scarred Dragon Archfiend could summon King Calamity on their turn. It's an important ruling. Tim just needs an errata since DMs aren't really a threat.

@thema1622 27 күн бұрын

Yeah it's one of the things I hate from Yugioh. The fact that you play archetypes instead of cards in general. Is the reason why Drafting in Yugioh is pretty much impossible without making a cube. I do like archetypes but I would prefer all archetypes be like Danger! Or Kaiju's so you can play whatever card you like the most.

@noahtackett6264 19 күн бұрын

@@anonymous-bt6pvmore like let the Stockholm Syndrome sink in

@ariavachier-lagravech.6910 2 ай бұрын

This is one of the card you have to study in order to pass card rulings course in your third year on duel academy

@ninjedi6710 2 ай бұрын

We did but you were sleeping you Slifer slacker

@Kurokami112 2 ай бұрын

People said that opening a school to learn how to play Duel monsters was dumb Well, who's laughing now?

@matthewriddle2698 2 ай бұрын

Funny how everyone thought Seto having a brainfart in making a school dedicated to learning how to become a Duelist. Turns out he was ahead of the curve the whole damn time, no wonder he took over Kaiba Corp when he was a teenager.

@Lithosagymfan173 2 ай бұрын

@@matthewriddle2698You people make jokes that only works if the guy has 0 knowledge of the franchise. Also, this joke is overrated and uncreative.

@Phoenix-MX1 16 күн бұрын

@@Lithosagymfan173 you must be fun at parties

@somebodyrandom27 2 ай бұрын

The really funny thing is that the cleanest way to fix this without changing the cards function would be to change the wording on The Eye of Timaeus to "Target one "Dark Magician" or "Dark Magician" monster you control".

@Forestxavier20 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, but then Dark Magician decks might be something other than a Rogue deck option for more than two seconds, and you don't wanna have that now do you?

@exiaR2x78 2 ай бұрын

Its such an easy errata and it wouldnt make the DM deck crazy good just a bit more functional

@NegativeNanase 2 ай бұрын

@@Forestxavier20 Nah DM decks still lose to infamous "going second" and has no real dodging mechanic to not die against hand traps

@exiaR2x78 2 ай бұрын

@randomvideoboy1 Rod searches any spell that mentions Dark Magician (referring to the monster). Where Timaeus is saying "Dark Magician" monster (referring to the archetype). Its a ruling thing, hope this clarifies it

@stevenle9960 Ай бұрын

this would imply that konami gives a shit about the health of the game

@Sorran87 2 ай бұрын

This is a great example of Yugioh being needlessly confusing. By any common sense interpretation, this card should ABSOLUTELY work as intended

@getsuryu7227 2 ай бұрын

It's just that some people try too hard at a game that's supposed to be fun.

@renatoramos8834 2 ай бұрын

It does.

@davidpotts7116 2 ай бұрын

YuGiOh can be confusing, but let’s not forget how an overly simplified and stern card game like MTG can be so stupid. There was an incident some years ago where one guy lost a MTG tournament because he declared his target was “Borbor” instead of “Borbor, Enraged” when he used Pithing Needle. Which, by all logic as the damn card was on his opponent’s board, should have meant he was targeting “Borbor, Enraged.” But nope, Pithing Needle specifically states that whatever card you name is the card that’s affected, not any of its related cards. This was a valid ruling too, but MTG is just so incredibly strict on its rulings and card interactions that there’s no room for individual interpretation even when the individual interpretation would be correct.

@ImRottenInside 2 ай бұрын

@@davidpotts7116That was quite a long time ago, and the ruling was reversed, it was even stated that if both you and your opponent know what you're referring to, that they can't be scummy like the guy who tried winning on a horrible technicality despite knowing what was meant to be named

@renatoramos8834 2 ай бұрын

@@davidpotts7116 easy lawsuit.

@Bop_bOp_73 2 ай бұрын

Konami should Errata it To say “dark magician” or “dark magician” monster.

@enlongjones2394 2 ай бұрын

Or even just “dark magician or dark magician girl”

@moominguy9664 2 ай бұрын

@@enlongjones2394 brother you are dumb fr

@moominguy9664 2 ай бұрын

"Dark Magician" covers any card that have "Dark Magician" on their name like "Dark Magician" (Girl)

@enlongjones2394 2 ай бұрын

@@moominguy9664 yes but because it doesn’t name Dark Magician as a singular card, the eye can’t be searched with stuff like Rod.

@MaxWeb2599 2 ай бұрын

@@enlongjones2394 that's actually the wording the card had when it came out. And I think the French still have it

@MisterX867 2 ай бұрын

This is so stupid that it literally hurts...

@murlocshamab7308 2 ай бұрын

Seems a South park episode

@MrEffectfilms 2 ай бұрын

This is what erratas should be for, to fix cards like this. All it would take is a simple reprint and ruling change for this to be one of the best Dark Magician cards out there.

@Enkidu659 Ай бұрын

Yep, but konami doesn't errata nearly as much as they should.

@MrEffectfilms Ай бұрын

@@Enkidu659 yeah, they only seem to errata to weaken good cards they don't want to ban or so they unban previously broken cards.

@Jotari 10 күн бұрын

Doesn't even need a reprint. They just need to declare that it works as intended, as anyone would expect to in the first place.

@louisnguyen6610 2 ай бұрын

Imagine going to court and you’re charged with public indecency for using a public restroom. This is what the locals ruling brainrot sounds like every time I’m there

@calvinmcneil9824 2 ай бұрын

The thing is that a boy was charged for indecent exposure because he needed to go pee behind his mother's car because the place that his mother had a meeting didn't have washrooms for the public

@Lithosagymfan173 2 ай бұрын

It's really not that hard.

@louisnguyen6610 2 ай бұрын

@@Lithosagymfan173 ah yes I’ll just get around the opponents xyz that cannot be effected or destroyed by card effects or battle. Has an Omni-negate, can’t be targeted if there’s a light monster on the field, and light monsters can’t be targeted, destroyed by card effects, or battle. Because it’s not that hard. Don’t get me started on the implicative rulings on some staple cards that turn a discussion with the judge into a court case between you and your opponent

@Lithosagymfan173 2 ай бұрын

@@louisnguyen6610 The Xyz monster you created is pretty straight foreward honestly. Has protection most of the time, and has more alongside a Light monster; is there one like it in game?

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

It's about the precedent it sets for similar situations.

@megamimikyu0720 2 ай бұрын

This card’s effect makes a fine amount of sense. It affects any card in the “dark magician” archetype, consisting of dark magician, dark magician girl, skilled dark magician, dark magician of chaos, dark magician knight, dark magician the dragon knight, dark magician girl the dragon knight, and the dark magicians. It’s just that the first two are the only ones with targets for the eye of timaeus to summon from. The issue i have with them is that all the support cards should be searching cards that mention a “dark magician” monster, instead of only searching cards that name the vanilla specifically. Either that, or have more of the support cards actually be a part of the archetype.

@toondude78 2 ай бұрын

Yeah this card isn't bad, the rest of the support is worded worse arguably

@Lithosagymfan173 2 ай бұрын

Someone sane in here.

@scorchthetorchic9457 2 ай бұрын

This exact same ruling is why Nightmare Throne isn't searchable in Yubel decks

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

Same reason I can't summon King Calamity with Scarred Dragon Archfiend.

@mrpinguimninja 2 ай бұрын

my favorite thing in following yours and some other ygo channels it that whatever interest I might have had in learning the game instantly fizzles just from hearing rules explanations, so it saves me a lot of money

@animeking1357 2 ай бұрын

That moment when the game itself prevents new players from getting into it.

@colinbrown7190 2 ай бұрын

Funny thing about this card that has made me hate it. while I was actively playing YGO at my locals, I went in with my tri-zoodiac deck, and for first place I was against DM, they went first fired off DMC and hit two timaeus and ash, they attempted to add timaeus and I told they they couldn’t because of the clause of “monster” we argued for about 2-3 minutes before calling a the locals judge, they ruled in favor of the DM player, then gave ME a game loss for rule sharking, i applied and went to the owner of the store (been playing YGO since GX) and the owner agreed with me on the ruling, only for the judge to DQ me for “harassment and poor sportsmanship.” The owner then revoked the judges permissions at the store after that tournament.

@olivers.7821 2 ай бұрын

It is insane how this game exists and I am amazed that they at all managed to make versions of it for pc and co.

@thiagodias5530 2 ай бұрын

They Could make a errata to name Dark Magician And Dark Magician Girl as targets of its effects. But Konami rarelly make erratas to turn cards more powerful or consistent. They generally use erratas to correct confuse texting or to nerf the effects of a card that is consideres too much strong/generic.

@silentshiranui4351 2 ай бұрын

Still always a possibility. They did some wording changes on Necrovalley in the past that made its effect slightly change (the last errata is considered a buff) Still may not happen either though.

@TheLordTash 2 ай бұрын

They don't even really need to errata it. They can just pull a Warrior of Atlantis and go "yeah, ignore the text, this is how it work".

@mesiagamer5217 2 ай бұрын

Necrovally.

@exiaR2x78 2 ай бұрын

This is probably the only card I can think of that get an errata with a buff and it would have zero impact on the meta besides making a casual fan favorite deck function better

@mrkickinthesky 2 ай бұрын

they added "this card counts as archfiend" to the OG summon skull,but i dont expect them to do anything for the game,the goal is to make as much money as possible and milk players pockets as well as they can,thats why they still make retrains of fans favourite which are completely useless but nostalgic,the ban list arent to balance the game but to time it with reprints to cripple the cards value,they make you buy a staple card for 60 buck ,which you need a playset off,or a card so genuine every deck can play it,they list it at 60,make it 30 with the time,then after everyone finally buys,they reprint it once,twice and then put it on a banlist which makes it worth go from 30 to 2 dollars,they also rely on vendors to buy out the stock and purposely shortprint specific cards to further increase their profit,at least they pump out a super special rarity or alt artwork because they know the ones playing still have partly have that kid inside them and the will to collect,thats why i prefer goat format or even edison since they reprinted needed cards so the price is low enough while the card poole used is already known,so you dont need to change deck every 1-2 formats to keep up therefore spending hundreds of dollars to buy them straight from the internet or even try to pull booster packs/boxes

@droutlaw54 2 ай бұрын

I wish they’d reprint it to say “Dark Magicing” or “Dark Magician Girl” since there are no other dark magician monsters for this thing to target. Then it could be viable for use in dark magician

@droutlaw54 2 ай бұрын

Ignore my misspelling you know what I mean 😭

@stevenle9960 2 ай бұрын

what the fuck is the point of quotes then

@kaikai8702 2 ай бұрын

Cause "Dark Magician" is both a specific card and an archetype. Like "Dark Magician Girl" is a "Dark Magician" monster, but not THE "Dark Magician"

@joshuacoleman6947 2 ай бұрын

If this card was searchable, dark magician decks would definitely see more competitive play. It’s still a great card nevertheless. They just need to make a version of this card for it to be searchable

@TheCrankyTechnician 2 ай бұрын

Most certainly but they still need a ton of better support to really have a go at the meta. The best case scenario for way too long has been to summon Dragoon and hopefully be able to have a Circle and Eternal Soul on the field

@AnimatedCarl 2 ай бұрын

If this card was searchable, Dark Magician decks would still lose to Imperm or Ash and pass on nothing. Best case scenario, they can get out Dragon Knight or Dragoon faster, but they're still doing a 3 card combo to end on Dragoon and Eternal Soul.

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

More competitive play for like a week, before everyone realizes it's still bad.

@juvielmartineztorres8425 2 ай бұрын

This is the same situation as Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Bane Which it can Tribute itself to summon a Red Dragon Archfiend monster from grave. But because it doesn't mention Red Dragon Archfiend itself, it won't cause Red Zone's pop effect to work. My friend found this out when we played irl for the first time, and he was flabbergasted when I had to explain it to him.

@frostbite_1244 2 ай бұрын

But how does this make any sense? Red Dragon Archfiend is infact a Red Dragon Archfiend monster! And since "it" itself is a Red Dragon Archfiend monster then should be summoned by the GOD DAMN Effect! I have no idea why Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have streamlined terminology, I know they like mechanical experimentation but Everytime they make a new mechanic, it's always written in a way that presumes that either the mechanic is unique or that word terminology is irrelevant just because Japanese can be written shorter, I can't imagine Japanese players have it that much easier.

@AntCommando 2 ай бұрын

@@frostbite_1244 Red Zone specifically states, When your opponent activates a card or effect while you control "Red Dragon Archfiend" or a Synchro Monster that mentions it: It is calling for RDA specifically or a synchro monster that mentions it, RDA Bane, is not RDA, and it does not mention it because it mentions RDA Monster the rest of the archetype, that's why the pop doesn't happen, The second effect to summon a banished dark dragon synchro can, only has the requirement that the monster summoned has to be a dark, dragon, synchro monster.

@arutemu39 2 ай бұрын

To make things worse: No fusion monster lists a dark magician monster other then the og Dark Magician. No Toon Dark Magician, no Dark Magician of Chaos only Dark Magician.

@coolmangeorge 2 ай бұрын

dark magician girl the dragon knight list dark magician girl

@arutemu39 2 ай бұрын

@@coolmangeorge So does The Dark Magicians. But i meant that the wording is wasted potential that doesn't pay off.

@coolmangeorge 2 ай бұрын

@@arutemu39 That makes better sense

@Desipapa8989 2 ай бұрын

But it literally has "Dark magician" in the text and thus should work lol more stupid nuances of this game like effs that literally have the definition of targeting but do not target

@unbeatable750 2 ай бұрын

Like what

@Desipapa8989 2 ай бұрын

@@unbeatable750 D.D. Assailant is an example

@Jp63a 2 ай бұрын

It's because it asks for any monster with "dark magician" in its name, while rod and other target card referencing THE Dark Magician(the monster itself, not the name)

@robertcarsten4050 2 ай бұрын

@@Desipapa8989what? dd assailant doesn't have an effect that is even remotely adjacent to an effect that targets.... Let alone the definition of it

@syrelian 21 күн бұрын

@@Desipapa8989 DD Assailant does nothing that would induce a "targeting" condition to be added, there are cards that would target here, but most of them are Bad and Old and thus burdened by attempts to clear up Old Card Text which was terribly messy, the monster affected by Assailant is defined by contextual circumstances, DD Warrior and Warrior Lady do the exact same thing, its consistent At least pick a card that does something like fuckin Lovely Labyrynth, who pops a card but its non-targeting because you define what happens when the effect resolves instead of on activation

@mastrblastr8662 2 ай бұрын

Fun fact: This is also true for a few Yubel cards, namely Nightmare Throne. Since it mentions a "Yubel" monster instead of "Yubel", it is unsearchable with Spirit of Yubel, which sucks.

@absoul112 2 ай бұрын

That is so dumb.

@deckardshaw6696 2 ай бұрын

No sense, Yubel is still a Yubel monster

@flango348 2 ай бұрын

@@deckardshaw6696yes, but it doesn’t mention the specific card Yubel.

@deckardshaw6696 2 ай бұрын

@@flango348 But if the card requires a Yubel *monster* instead of just Yubel, then any card with Yubel in its name can be searched, Yubel included

@flango348 2 ай бұрын

@@deckardshaw6696 yes, but knightmare throne itself cannot be searched as it doesn’t mention Yubel.

@danielmay2904 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if they give the eye of timaeus an errata where it said "target one dark magician or dark magician girl you control" it might see play in dark magician decks

@tylercoon1791 2 ай бұрын

But then you couldn’t use it on Dark Magician of Chaos! The most powerful tech DM decks have at their disposal!

@HowlingDoom 2 ай бұрын

"Target 1 Dark Magician or Dark Magician monster you control"

@ShanaReviews 2 ай бұрын

this is actually a ruling that dates back before Timaeus. Rainbow Neos has a similar issue, it's fusion material in the OCG lists "Ultimate Crystal God" monster as material so you can't use the fusion substitutes because it doesn't specify 1 particular card. this caused confusion for players in the TCG because the wording used specified Rainbow Dragon or Rainbow Dark Dragon and even though it specified those names you could not use other means to cheat them out or substitute for them because of its TCG wording, this is why both Rainbow Dragon and Rainbow Dark Dragon had a new text that added the "This card is always treated as an Ultimate Crystal monster" clause in them to remedy this for the TCG.

@VGamingJunkieVT 2 ай бұрын

My only guess is Konami made this ruling because they thought Dark Magician decks would be too powerful if it was searchable through that. It's literally in quotation marks, there's no other reason to deny it.

@toondude78 2 ай бұрын

"Dark Magician" GIRL is also a card and THE specific other target for Timaeus actually

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

No, DM will probably never be good. The ruling is pretty important for balance of some cards. Tim just needs an errata.

@toondude78 2 ай бұрын

@@AnotherVessel Tim's never getting one tho because it was never intended to search just DM specifically, it was used for fusion with DMG as well

@AnotherVessel 2 ай бұрын

@@toondude78 Then the card remains in the same state, because the rule can't be changed.

@Did_No_Wrong 2 ай бұрын

They really should have just said it was a typo error and errata it but instead of doing that they gave Dark Magicians a fusion that can't be searched. Classic Konami.

@cjkrash 2 ай бұрын

Alas, timaeus eff monster was created to compensate for this

@Trigger99X 2 ай бұрын

Same thing in RDA with Hot red dragon archfiend bane list “RDA” monsters so he doesn’t count for support that says “or sychnro monsters that mentioned RDA”

@robertbeisert3315 2 ай бұрын

When I played: "Patrician of Darkness doesn't mean I attack my own lifepoints!" Now: "This card was printed with a little smudge over the word "Fascimile", making it unable to pull any card that doesn't fit the Smudge Luster Prixinem clause exception from 2019's rule change."

@metalslug97 2 ай бұрын

Yo these technicalities feels like we're debugging an edge case. Playing Yu-Gi-Oh really do be a good use of my time after all!

@itzbebop Ай бұрын

As a lawyer, id argue that "dark magician" being in quotes and "monster" not being in quotes negates the technicality. I'd challenge this in appeal.

@robertcarsten4050 Ай бұрын

That's nice....... You're completely wrong and don't seem to understand how yugioh cards are worded. But it is nice

@gamingwitharealg9752 2 ай бұрын

This is why those nerds at konami dont have girlfriends

@stoic_hero_tcg 2 ай бұрын

This is probably one of the best examples of legacy support that looks good on paper, but ends up having anti-synergy with the archetype it was supposed to help, similar to Harpie's Pet Dragon Fearsome Fire Blast, which is only marginally better than the original Pet Dragon in Harpie, as it is a extender that still requires you to have a body on board (which Harpie is already too reliant upon their normal summon) and does not gain its effect if discarded from the hand (via Channler or Hysteric Party) or if detached from an Xyz monster as material (which is the whole point of running it is to have access to Rank 7s in a Rank 4 deck). Not to mention, it only has one good target for its second activated effect in archetype, which is Harpie Harpist. Retrained Pet Dragon ends up being better in Tri-Brigade and Wing Beast piles and is honestly more of a support card for those instead.

@bluemew22 2 ай бұрын

Konami can fix this by either issuing what is known as a BKSS, or by reprinting Timaeus with an errata that specifically lists both DM and DMG instead. Because I highly doubt they will release a Fusion that requires specifically Dark Magician Knight or Skilled Dark Magician any time soon.

@davidmcleod1760 2 ай бұрын

Its in the vortex of Spells structure pack in Master Duel though.

@Oimfiel 2 ай бұрын

I wish the three legendary dragon fusion spells would get some legacy support

@TheRoseReaper 22 күн бұрын

"That is the dumbest technicality and I'm elected to ignore it."

@robertcarsten4050 20 күн бұрын

Not a technicality...... Literally how the card texts work together. Playing it any differently is just making up card texts and pretending that is the actual effect

@blue-eyesdepresseddragon3753 2 ай бұрын

...That that's exceptionally stupid. God i fucking hate the text rules of this game sometime. How the hell is this not a Dark Magician when "HundRED EYES dragon" was a red eyes monster

@robertcarsten4050 2 ай бұрын

You realize those are completely different things right? Due to a translation error hundred eyes was technically considered a "red eyes" monster until it was properly reprinted with a hyphen "hundred-eyes". that is how archetypes work in yugioh, if a card name contains the substring of the archetype it belongs to that archetype. The eye of timaeus effect has nothing to do with that issue. It affects the archetype of "dark magician" monsters, which yes the monster "dark magician" is a member of as discussed above. But cards like magicians rod can only search cards that specifically refer to the monster card "dark magician" It's simply a issue of categories.

@NegativeNanase 2 ай бұрын

This is one of those questions they put on the Ra yellow entrance exam, no cap

@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire 2 ай бұрын

Idea for a support card for the eye, claw and fang cards: _Legend of the Dragons_ Quick-Play Spell _Pay 1000 LP and Tribute 1 Dragon, Warrior or Spellcaster card you control; Activate 1 “Legend of Heart” or 1 “Legendary Dragon” Spell from your hand, deck, GY or Banishment. Cards that are activated by this effect are shuffled into the deck during the end phase. If you control any number of “Legendary Knight” monsters, any monsters that mention “The Eye of Timaeus”, “The Fang of Critias”, “The Claw of Hermos” in their text, and/or “Timaeus the Knight of Destiny”, you can banish this card from your hand, field or GY facedown; Apply 1 of the following effects for the rest of the duel. (Each of the following effects of “Legend of the Dragons” can only be applied once per duel.)_ _⚪️During either players turn, If any cards you possess are targeted by your opponent for an attack or effect: You can Set 1 Spell from your hand, deck or GY._ _⚪️During either players turn, If any cards you possess are targeted by your opponent for an attack or effect: You can Set 1 Trap from your hand, deck or GY._ _⚪️During either players turn, If any cards from your hand, field, GY or Banishment are targeted by your opponent for an attack or effect: You can target 1 Monster you control, then 1 monster in your GY; until the End Phase of your next turn, the name of the target you control becomes the target in the GY’s original name, and replace it’s effect with that GY target's original effects._

@pokemaster1725 20 күн бұрын

Timaeus actually works with red-eyes dark dragoon but its lack of search-ability is the reason the verte combo existed

@t3arki113r 2 ай бұрын

They can just fix it by changing it to ‘Target 1 ‘Dark Magician’ or ‘Dark Magician Girl’. But then again, a searchable 1 material fusion for dragoon, Dragonic Knight or even Dark Paladin sounds scary but funny (of course im talking casual wise. This shit ain’t doin anything in tournaments.)

@q306005 2 ай бұрын

They would errata it and in the same announcement put it on the forbidden list.

@GatsbyCioffi 2 ай бұрын

I mean, requiring a 7 star vanilla on field to summon it, however searchable and consistent it may be, still requires running bricks to do. I'd say it'd be much stronger, but not ban-worthy.

@rajkanishu 2 ай бұрын

boooo scary tier 7 deck booooo

@Y0G0FU 2 ай бұрын

We had decks like Tearelements, Ca$htira and now Snake-Eye/Fireking. I doubt Dark Magician with a consistant acces to Eye of Timeaus would be more scary then that :p maybe tier 2 or at the end of tier 1 if at all.

@TheCrankyTechnician 2 ай бұрын

Hell nah that doesn't sound scary at all in 2024. If anything, Dark Magician need way more ridiculous support in order to be even remotely able to have a crack at the current meta. I mean what's the best end board you can establish turn 1 in a DM deck? Dragoon plus Circle and Eternal Soul? That's nowhere near good enough against the likes of Branded or Snake-Eyes

@mekahans3678 2 ай бұрын

Welcome to another episode of "Will it Works" And now we has Timaeus, that has "Dark Magician" on it text

@a1rg3ar31 2 ай бұрын

It should be changed to "Target 1 "Dark Magician", or 1 monster that specifically lists the card "Dark Magician" in its text".

@neoinfinity5204 2 ай бұрын

DMG effect is another example of convoluted wording cause she can’t get stronger from her copies or use dark magician specific spells 😕

@-AirKat- 2 ай бұрын

Not to mention her effect is useless in her on archetype

@humanoid251 2 ай бұрын

Oh interesting. Cuz isn’t this the same reason why you can’t search Nightmare Throne with the new Yubel cards, cuz it says “Yubel” monsters and not just “Yubel”

@ReederMG 2 ай бұрын

This was one of the most frustrating things to learn while playing Duel Links

@breaky92 2 ай бұрын

same reason you cant search knightmare throne with spirit of yubel btw

@TheFizio 2 ай бұрын

Fun fact, Magician's Rod in some languages is translated into... another kind of Rod.

@malareon 2 ай бұрын

This makes sense to me as dark magician as listed on Tobias is referring to an archetype while the cards that list dark magician in their text are referring to the monster itself.

@dackknight 2 ай бұрын

I run it, it comes in clutch sometimes

@martinnoreallymartin3661 2 ай бұрын

People saying this needs an errata ... It doesn't need an errata, it just needs a decent judge to rule it to work as intended.

@robertcarsten4050 2 ай бұрын

It does work as intended..... Exactly as the card text involved dictates it would work. It would need an errata for it to be searchable with cards such as "magicians rod" But that was never the intention

@martinnoreallymartin3661 2 ай бұрын

@@robertcarsten4050 it specifically mentions "Dark Magician" so idk how that's intended

@robertcarsten4050 2 ай бұрын

@@martinnoreallymartin3661 no it doesn't..... To specifically mention dark magician you have to be referring specifically to the card "dark magician" not a category of every card that has the phrase "dark magician" contained in its card name

@Creative.Pursuit 2 ай бұрын

So the problem is more so Rod. Because it uses the word "specifically." Without it, you can technically argue that dark magician falls under the category of 'dark magician' monsters.

@robertcarsten4050 2 ай бұрын

Right but then it wouldn't search the cards it was meant to search like thousand kmives

@NotMyRealName6 2 ай бұрын

This is one ruling-followed-by-errata away from being fixed.

@UOTQAUIBO 3 күн бұрын

This technicality is so fucking stupid that my friends and I just ignore it when we play lol

@freyanjordsdotter1329 2 ай бұрын

It’s still serve me pretty well in dual links I never search for it anyway search for the ritual fusion variant that I forgot the name of I use it for the magicians and EOT is for dark Calvary

@Shiftry87 2 ай бұрын

Not a player but what your saying is that the card could still do what it needs to do but The eye of Timaeus card itself cant be searched out by other cards becouse its effect mentions Dark Magician monsters and not Dark Magician so the whole combo is very unreliable if i got that right. U need to draw the card becouse u cant search for it.

@Salvare___000 2 ай бұрын

the same thing happens to Noghtmare Throne and the Yubel lineup unfortunately...

@Shikaschima 2 ай бұрын

Every non official tournament ever: Yeah, no, fuck your rules.

@drsteiner12 3 күн бұрын

DM archetype really done dirty when Branded fusion exists

@SeiphersZone 2 ай бұрын

Hearing this being called an Early era support card is wild

@246Rennie 2 ай бұрын

It's bad wording but not in the way explained here. Eye of Timaeus is supposed to be support for Amulet Dragon and Dark magician girl the dragonknight but because they worded the card like it's a generic dark magician fusion card it ends up being able to summon a bunch of monsters that don't even have a dragon as their fusion material. The card was never intended to be a archetypal dark magician fusing card.

@lionescrawl9861 2 ай бұрын

And still extremely strong.

@Renvil_ 2 ай бұрын

It makes perfect sense. When you can search for a card that mentions ["name"] card, you can’t search a card that names ["word(s)" card]. When you have effects that mention a monster, it’s specific, but many searchera that specify a part of the cards’ names, that can be only parts of the name, like ["lswarm" cards] can be either «evilswarm» or «steelswarm», while ["Steelswarm Scout"] is a specific card.

@MrLimbo-lj9hc 2 ай бұрын

sense? sure. perfect sense? hell no.

@gynobytewolf 2 ай бұрын

This is one of those situations where it makes sense if you watched the anime. The Eye of Timaeus isn't Dark Magician support by design. Arguably it shouldn't mention Dark Magician at all. Now Konami will never be able to print what Poison Butterfly would have fusion summoned if The Eye of Timaeus hadn't been negated.

@dougloremaster7413 2 ай бұрын

Waking the Dragons was my fave season, no hate for the others, I personally just loved the dark gritty context of it. I too want to know what that fusion would have been like.

@Wulfgang239 2 ай бұрын

‘Tis why I only play one copy of it in my Dark Magician deck. I use “Secrets of Dark Magic”, “Timaeus the United Dragon”, or “Red-Eyes Fusion” for fusions.

@frostymonarq 21 күн бұрын

Struggled with this one when the Yubel field spell came out too

@LittleAl016 2 ай бұрын

It's in desperate need of an errata to make it compatible with the search cards. Like change "a 'Dark Magician' monster" to "either 'Dark Magician' or 'Dark Magician Girl'".

@Moshuun 6 күн бұрын

But “lists Dark Magician” IN ITS TEXT is exactly what it does. They should reference DM as “a Normal Monster named Dark Magician”

@robertcarsten4050 6 күн бұрын

In psct the phrase "mentions [card name]" took over for the phrase "that specifically mentions the card [card name]" but there is no functional change for how the phrase works But as explained in this video the eye of timaeus does not mention the card dark magician, it mentions the entire category of monsters that have "dark magician" in their name

@davincameron7627 2 ай бұрын

Literally legendary ocean shenanigans.

@DavidLeeTurner1 18 күн бұрын

Wow, I never knew Yugioh had so many fans who were also lawyers.

@beatsbyadmiralz5915 2 ай бұрын

This just further shows how the game went off the rails because of card texts (missing the timing being another example)

@megaspacewaffles 2 ай бұрын

Cards don’t miss the timing anymore. That’s an OLD text issue not a modern one

@yuukihanato9691 2 ай бұрын

@@megaspacewaffles Technically you can still miss timing due to chains

@megaspacewaffles 2 ай бұрын

@@yuukihanato9691 with what cards?

@brendancurrie8516 2 ай бұрын

@megaspacewaffles i missed timing on one of my Monarch cards the other day. It absolutely still happens.

@ryansanagustin6553 2 ай бұрын

@@megaspacewafflesCards with “When x, you can…” effects can still miss timing

@Corvidae10 2 ай бұрын

It has the words "dark magician" in quotes. It doesnt get much more specific than that. This card would be pretty good if it were searchable

@Theonetruefinalboss 14 күн бұрын

This is the whole reason an Academy for duelling exists in the anime.

@SonOfTheAesir 2 ай бұрын

this is the same reason that nothing in the yubel deck can search nightmare throne, since it also only mentions ''yubel'' monsters

@6630033 21 күн бұрын

I use that card religiously, a two of in my deck, and it works 😂😂😂

@skylo706 2 ай бұрын

From an occasional DM Deck player, I have to say that it doesn't matter at all. You don't go for this card as your masterplan, it's a card you may or may not use if you draw it. The deck wants other things to happen but if you draw it, it's nice to have. Edit: To better understand, your search cards are only used to get either dark magician or girl on the field or get eternal spirit etc on the field. Afterwards you don't really play search cards anymore and if you do, you mostly go for something like (Forgot the name, sorry) the trap card that can special summon a dm from hand and dg afterwards or the spell that destroys every card your opponent controls if you have dm and dg on field

@RSanchez111 2 ай бұрын

Ok yugioh lawyering has officially jumped the shark

@BEATSofDevil 2 ай бұрын

Makes sense. Just gotta add an extra "Dark Magician" to the card text

@PhantoRoyce 2 ай бұрын

Turns out I was breaking the rules in my community college tourneys because I certainly did exactly that in my DM deck and nobody stopped me

@brentdrysdale4730 2 ай бұрын

And they're still wording cards like this today.

@bensell982 2 ай бұрын

So those who still don't quite get it, it's because it refers to the Dark Magician archetype, not specifically the monster card Dark Magician. If the card got an errata to say "Dark Magician" or "Dark Magician Girl" instead, then it could be searched without actually changing what it does.

@vantablackecho 2 ай бұрын

It looks like there’s plenty of space for them to say [“Dark Magician” or “Dark Magician Girl” you control …]

@xyzen9673 2 ай бұрын

And THIS is why the duel academy existed

@marsestrada629 29 күн бұрын

Doesn't stop my cousin lol

@SheruMuko 2 ай бұрын

Give them a card that mentions Dark Magician that searches it.

@michaeldavid1566 2 ай бұрын

i think the second nail is that it's always treated as "the legendary knight timaeus"

@juanpablolamas5335 2 ай бұрын

It's the legendary ocean thing all over again!

@theonomaly6389 2 ай бұрын

I would like to say that I actually find the Eye to be very helpful. I actually have 2 uses for it in my Dark Magician deck, and it really is nice to have. I must say though, I have been getting a bit curious on attempting some of the ritual summoning variants of the Dark Magician deck.

@druid_zephyrus 11 күн бұрын

"Early...Era" Oh gods im so old

@bismarckimperia8781 2 ай бұрын

So Timeus searches Dark Magician Monsters, not the specific monster card Dark Magician. Its more like your searching an archtype searcher who is part of its name but doesnt search a specific monster card name. Dark Magician Girl is a Dark Magician Monster with Dark Magician in its name, but there are also other cards that also mentions Dark Magician Girl as a specific monster card name.

@yunusali-ahmed4750 2 ай бұрын

Konami should’ve made the legendary dragons cards as polymerization cards with unique effects

@tomasgoes 2 ай бұрын

Lord Nikita heard his plea for a WD-40... And said "No".

@gabbiereis8953 12 күн бұрын

I run 3 of these and bank on the heart of the cards to draw into one

@dragonmaster951753 2 ай бұрын

Konami could just say it works and it'll work

@andresmarrero8666 15 күн бұрын

This doesn't even count as a technicality.

@ironmuro 2 ай бұрын

"No modern Dark Magician deck uses this card." pfft, I still run at least 1, even went back to 2 in my build recently. You might not be able to search for it, but you can still stack it to the top of your deck with Dark Magical Circle and the draw it with Soul Servant's banish effect if you need it right away. Leaving this card out of a Dark Magician deck just because you can't search for it is not a great reason to ignore it. That is like telling a person to never use staples outside of your archetype because you can't search them, and that's just crazy. Now some builds use the monster version of Timaeus or other fusion spells (That outside Secrets of Dark Magic you also can't search) probably don't need to but that is more on how you run the deck. Also, calling it an "early era" support card. I mean, I wouldn't call 2014 early by any means. Dark Magic Curtain, Thousand Knives, Miracle Restoring, Skilled Dark Magician, Dark Sage. Now those are early era Dark Magician support cards not to run anymore. That being said, I agree with all the comments calling for it to be errata'd it only makes it more powerful and I'm all for it.